On a 1-4 slide in the L5, but going to continue to use the methodology that got things off to a hot start this season and have been successful for me in past seasons.
Play:Bradley / Southern Illinois Over 137.5
This one should be no surprise to regular readers of my posts. As I mentioned in my 1/17 thread, SIU was on an 11-0 run to the over with the run coinciding with the return of Kendal-Brown Surles (discipline) and Dantiel Daniels (injury) to their lineup.
So why the value tonight with the over again? SIU is coming off a season worse 42 point effort vs Wichita St in which they shot 17-50 (34%) from the field. But this poor showing can be somewhat excused when considering that they faced a Shocker defense that is ranked 14th best in the country with respect to adjusted defensive efficiency only allowing 0.883 pts per possession.
Bradley is also coming off its own woeful performance—a 48 point effort vs Missouri St. But the Bears are no slouch on defense either and are only allowing .939 pts per possession (#63). Neither of these teams will be facing a defense like that tonight as both come in ranked in the bottom half of the country in defensive efficiency allowing more than 1.015 pts per possession.
So situationally speaking, we have a great opportunity to buy low on an over with both offenses coming off of terrible offensive efforts—but there is more to like.
SIU has only played one conference game this season that went under tonight’s total (that being its last game vs WSU), and have averaged 68.8 possessions through its 9 MVC games. Tonight they face the fastest paced team in the conference in Bradley, who is averaging 70.2 possessions per game (35th fastest in the country). This is important when breaking down the first meeting these two teams had on 1/4. Despite hitting 139 (on a posted total of 137), it was actually the slowest paced game that both teams have had this year in conference. The game only had 64 possessions and I would expect a regression back to the mean tonight, and a much faster pace. KenPom predicts 71 possessions.
So despite both teams being on great runs to the over (SIU 12-1, Bradley 8-2), I think tonight presents a great spot to back another over due to the results that both teams had in their last games as well as the uncharacteristic “slow” pace to their January match up.
Best of luck if you decide to make a play
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YTD: 15-9 (62.5%)
On a 1-4 slide in the L5, but going to continue to use the methodology that got things off to a hot start this season and have been successful for me in past seasons.
Play:Bradley / Southern Illinois Over 137.5
This one should be no surprise to regular readers of my posts. As I mentioned in my 1/17 thread, SIU was on an 11-0 run to the over with the run coinciding with the return of Kendal-Brown Surles (discipline) and Dantiel Daniels (injury) to their lineup.
So why the value tonight with the over again? SIU is coming off a season worse 42 point effort vs Wichita St in which they shot 17-50 (34%) from the field. But this poor showing can be somewhat excused when considering that they faced a Shocker defense that is ranked 14th best in the country with respect to adjusted defensive efficiency only allowing 0.883 pts per possession.
Bradley is also coming off its own woeful performance—a 48 point effort vs Missouri St. But the Bears are no slouch on defense either and are only allowing .939 pts per possession (#63). Neither of these teams will be facing a defense like that tonight as both come in ranked in the bottom half of the country in defensive efficiency allowing more than 1.015 pts per possession.
So situationally speaking, we have a great opportunity to buy low on an over with both offenses coming off of terrible offensive efforts—but there is more to like.
SIU has only played one conference game this season that went under tonight’s total (that being its last game vs WSU), and have averaged 68.8 possessions through its 9 MVC games. Tonight they face the fastest paced team in the conference in Bradley, who is averaging 70.2 possessions per game (35th fastest in the country). This is important when breaking down the first meeting these two teams had on 1/4. Despite hitting 139 (on a posted total of 137), it was actually the slowest paced game that both teams have had this year in conference. The game only had 64 possessions and I would expect a regression back to the mean tonight, and a much faster pace. KenPom predicts 71 possessions.
So despite both teams being on great runs to the over (SIU 12-1, Bradley 8-2), I think tonight presents a great spot to back another over due to the results that both teams had in their last games as well as the uncharacteristic “slow” pace to their January match up.
Tough loss last night. I am pretty sure that Sanata Clara went over 5 minutes without a point in the second half. If they could have score even 4 points there we would have gotten the OVER because end of game fouling would have came more into play. That loss and my loss backing the Warriors (blowing a 20 point 4th quarter lead as a 2 point fav) were a bad way to end my week.
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Tough loss last night. I am pretty sure that Sanata Clara went over 5 minutes without a point in the second half. If they could have score even 4 points there we would have gotten the OVER because end of game fouling would have came more into play. That loss and my loss backing the Warriors (blowing a 20 point 4th quarter lead as a 2 point fav) were a bad way to end my week.
It seems like lately your overs have been hitting 1half and then slowing down the 2nd half.. do you ever make the play on the first half over or do you think statistically it's smarter just to do full game?
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Question..
It seems like lately your overs have been hitting 1half and then slowing down the 2nd half.. do you ever make the play on the first half over or do you think statistically it's smarter just to do full game?
It seems like lately your overs have been hitting 1half and then slowing down the 2nd half.. do you ever make the play on the first half over or do you think statistically it's smarter just to do full game?
I know you don't want my opinion on this but if a play I have is on pace for the OVER at half it usually ends ends well. There are so many factors to help you at the end of the game that don't help you when backing an UNDER. There are more stoppages with timeouts, end of game fouling, and the possibility of OT that helps an OVER.
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Quote Originally Posted by BoomMoneyInBANK:
Question..
It seems like lately your overs have been hitting 1half and then slowing down the 2nd half.. do you ever make the play on the first half over or do you think statistically it's smarter just to do full game?
I know you don't want my opinion on this but if a play I have is on pace for the OVER at half it usually ends ends well. There are so many factors to help you at the end of the game that don't help you when backing an UNDER. There are more stoppages with timeouts, end of game fouling, and the possibility of OT that helps an OVER.
Had my eye on this over. really no excuses for either of these teams to not get out and fukn play ball. i see line is inching up already which i don't like. seems when it moves up steadily that it almost never happens. gl
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Had my eye on this over. really no excuses for either of these teams to not get out and fukn play ball. i see line is inching up already which i don't like. seems when it moves up steadily that it almost never happens. gl
I know you don't want my opinion on this but if a play I have is on pace for the OVER at half it usually ends ends well. There are so many factors to help you at the end of the game that don't help you when backing an UNDER. There are more stoppages with timeouts, end of game fouling, and the possibility of OT that helps an OVER.
i've just noticed the past 2 games hes had they have been incredibly on pace for the over 1half and then completely shit the bed in the 2nd half. and i do see how all the factors of the 2nd half usually help.. just pointing out something i've noticed
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Quote Originally Posted by YACKER:
I know you don't want my opinion on this but if a play I have is on pace for the OVER at half it usually ends ends well. There are so many factors to help you at the end of the game that don't help you when backing an UNDER. There are more stoppages with timeouts, end of game fouling, and the possibility of OT that helps an OVER.
i've just noticed the past 2 games hes had they have been incredibly on pace for the over 1half and then completely shit the bed in the 2nd half. and i do see how all the factors of the 2nd half usually help.. just pointing out something i've noticed
i've just noticed the past 2 games hes had they have been incredibly on pace for the over 1half and then completely shit the bed in the 2nd half. and i do see how all the factors of the 2nd half usually help.. just pointing out something i've noticed
Last night it was about Santa Clara starting the second half 2-18. They went over 5 minutes without a single point. Those kind of stretches always kill an OVER. You can't really cap those kind of things especially when they shot 47% in the first half.
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Quote Originally Posted by BoomMoneyInBANK:
i've just noticed the past 2 games hes had they have been incredibly on pace for the over 1half and then completely shit the bed in the 2nd half. and i do see how all the factors of the 2nd half usually help.. just pointing out something i've noticed
Last night it was about Santa Clara starting the second half 2-18. They went over 5 minutes without a single point. Those kind of stretches always kill an OVER. You can't really cap those kind of things especially when they shot 47% in the first half.
BoomMoney, I appreciate your questions and here's my take on things.
The methodology and statistics that I use are based on full game results, and thus should be applied to full game plays (either over or under). Now are there exceptions to every rule, of course there are. But in the long run, I believe this is the way to go purely statistically speaking.
Because for every game that is on pace in the first half like the URI/Fordham or LMU/Santa Clara games were that don't go over, there are games like Hawaii/Fresno St from a couple weeks ago that do go over due to OT despite a 55 point first half. And just as Yacker stated, the end game scenarios (fouling, OT, etc.) are reflected in the full game statistics each team has at this point in the season and hence should be applied to full game over or under plays.
Hope this helped explain my position a little bit better
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BoomMoney, I appreciate your questions and here's my take on things.
The methodology and statistics that I use are based on full game results, and thus should be applied to full game plays (either over or under). Now are there exceptions to every rule, of course there are. But in the long run, I believe this is the way to go purely statistically speaking.
Because for every game that is on pace in the first half like the URI/Fordham or LMU/Santa Clara games were that don't go over, there are games like Hawaii/Fresno St from a couple weeks ago that do go over due to OT despite a 55 point first half. And just as Yacker stated, the end game scenarios (fouling, OT, etc.) are reflected in the full game statistics each team has at this point in the season and hence should be applied to full game over or under plays.
Hope this helped explain my position a little bit better
I'm not wet-blanketing your play, just sharing this from Carbondale:
Desperate to right the ship and start the second half of league play on a better note, the Salukis host Bradley (6-15, 1-8 MVC) tonight at 7:05. SIU beat the Braves 74-65 on Jan. 4 in Peoria in one of its most dominating victories of the season. To earn its first sweep of the league season, the Salukis hope to get back to the kind of defense they were playing in their first eight games. SIU didn't allow any of its first opponents to break 65 points, but has allowed 11 teams since Dec. 19 to do so.
"It's gotta be us. It's on us," SIU coach Chris Lowery said. "It's on our guards, because if they limit dribble drives, then our bigs won't get in foul trouble. Dantiel (Daniels) is getting in trouble, in foul situations, because he's having to help off the dribble drive."
Daniels, SIU's leading scorer against WSU Saturday with 12 points, only committed two fouls in 27 minutes. In his previous three games, two of them losses, he had either four or five personals. Daniels has fouled out of two of his last four games.
Bradley, ninth in the league in scoring and scoring defense, comes off a 51-48 loss to Missouri State on Saturday night.
I'm not wet-blanketing your play, just sharing this from Carbondale:
Desperate to right the ship and start the second half of league play on a better note, the Salukis host Bradley (6-15, 1-8 MVC) tonight at 7:05. SIU beat the Braves 74-65 on Jan. 4 in Peoria in one of its most dominating victories of the season. To earn its first sweep of the league season, the Salukis hope to get back to the kind of defense they were playing in their first eight games. SIU didn't allow any of its first opponents to break 65 points, but has allowed 11 teams since Dec. 19 to do so.
"It's gotta be us. It's on us," SIU coach Chris Lowery said. "It's on our guards, because if they limit dribble drives, then our bigs won't get in foul trouble. Dantiel (Daniels) is getting in trouble, in foul situations, because he's having to help off the dribble drive."
Daniels, SIU's leading scorer against WSU Saturday with 12 points, only committed two fouls in 27 minutes. In his previous three games, two of them losses, he had either four or five personals. Daniels has fouled out of two of his last four games.
Bradley, ninth in the league in scoring and scoring defense, comes off a 51-48 loss to Missouri State on Saturday night.
Trec, appreciate the viewpoint and always welcome a contrarian position to the discussion
However, I think I addressed some of the points the article makes in my post with respect to early season results vs more recent results. Since getting their full roster back around the time of their trip to Hawaii for the Diamond Head Classic, the team has transitioned away from a slow, methodic, defense oriented team that shut people down as they article suggests in their first eight games. As a result of this style and tempo change, we have seen a 12-1 run on overs. You can't totally negate early season results, but in terms of handicapping, they are almost irrelevant at this point in the season as we are well into the heart of the conference schedule and one is much better served focusing on L5 or L10.
And does the writer of the article really consider their first game vs Bradley a "dominating" victory--a game in which they only led by 2 at halftime, were outrebounded, only created 13 turnovers, and allowed the Braves to shoot 45% from the field?!
BOL tonight
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Trec, appreciate the viewpoint and always welcome a contrarian position to the discussion
However, I think I addressed some of the points the article makes in my post with respect to early season results vs more recent results. Since getting their full roster back around the time of their trip to Hawaii for the Diamond Head Classic, the team has transitioned away from a slow, methodic, defense oriented team that shut people down as they article suggests in their first eight games. As a result of this style and tempo change, we have seen a 12-1 run on overs. You can't totally negate early season results, but in terms of handicapping, they are almost irrelevant at this point in the season as we are well into the heart of the conference schedule and one is much better served focusing on L5 or L10.
And does the writer of the article really consider their first game vs Bradley a "dominating" victory--a game in which they only led by 2 at halftime, were outrebounded, only created 13 turnovers, and allowed the Braves to shoot 45% from the field?!
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