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Posted: Dec. 17, 2010 - 2:53 AM ET #526

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Posted: Dec. 17, 2010 - 4:24 AM ET #527

nice work bud, i was well off on the nc st under obviously.

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Posted: Dec. 17, 2010 - 4:31 AM ET #528

The NRopp Is Ba-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-aCK!!!

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Posted: Dec. 17, 2010 - 8:47 AM ET #530

Thanks nropp for all of the hard work you put in. You are an invaluable asset to this forum. I've gained an immense amount of knowledge from your detailed writeups.

Just wondering whether you'll be posting any CFb bowl plays this season?

Wishing you and yours a very happy holiday season!

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Posted: Dec. 17, 2010 - 9:50 AM ET #531

Quote Originally Posted by biff_chipmon:

Thanks nropp for all of the hard work you put in. You are an invaluable asset to this forum. I've gained an immense amount of knowledge from your detailed writeups.

Just wondering whether you'll be posting any CFb bowl plays this season?

Wishing you and yours a very happy holiday season!

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Posted: Dec. 17, 2010 - 10:03 AM ET #532

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RebelTell2

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Posted: Dec. 17, 2010 - 10:09 AM ET #533

Hey Nropp,

Nice...you smoked 'em!

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Winzs

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Posted: Dec. 17, 2010 - 12:20 PM ET #534

Mucho Props your ruining bookies christmas's all over !!!!!!!

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nropp11

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Posted: Dec. 17, 2010 - 12:24 PM ET #535

12/16 Results: Another weird night of games, and some decent bounces to go my way.

Sides: 25-16, +12.60

Totals: 12-7, +3.00

DNP: 25-21

12/17 Conference Notes: SOCON Basketball, my #7 (Chattanooga) at my #9 (Elon). Not much of a difference between the 7th and 9th ranked teams in this conference really. Elon won both meetings last year and I have noted numerous times on Schulman’s recruiting for Chattanooga being borderline idiotic with only bringing in transfers and JUCO players just about every year. Nooga’s 2-0 in the conference while Elon is 0-2. Chattanooga’s also coming off a tough physical contest with Murray State, while Elon is coming off a throttling of some school I’ve never heard of before. Elon’s losses this year: Wofford, Furman (on fire), Maryland, Wake Forest, and South Carolina. Both teams play fast, and both teams overall defense blow. Winning teams the last five meetings have scored 83, 82, 78, 79, and 86 in this series. I would think both teams have a shot at the 70’s here with decent shooting. But other than that, the game’s pretty even. I think the total is a tad bit too high. With Nooga coming off the physical contest, it might take a bit to get going here even against a horrendous defensive squad in Elon. Last year’s lined totals for these matchups were in the low 130’s and despite going over both games, the makeup of each squad isn’t all that different. We should see a much better defense from Elon tonight too. At 0-2 in the conference, it’s make or break the season pretty much with a home conference game against an equal opponent. Their two conference games thus far totaled 145 and 144, but both Furman and Wofford are much better adept offensively. Granted, I’m going to need some bad shooting and an intensity full of defense for this to hit, b/c if these teams play like they have been all year, then there will be plenty of points put up. This is just one of those gut/feel type scenarios based on value. A spike in 18 points from previous year’s listed totals, the makeup of where each team stands, I just think we see a bit of defense, enough to hopefully keep it under. Elon has Duke on deck, but I would not imagine a lookahead with an important conference game at hand. And Chattanooga’s on the road where I don’t expect them to perform as they did in their first two conference meetings which took place at home. Probably one of my dumbest bets of the year, but one I can’t pass up.

12/17 Non-Conference Notes: Nothing on Virginia/Oregon. Not really interested in either of these teams for the year. Charlotte’s got revenge from a 17 point defeat last year where Tennessee shot 57% from the field. That game totaled 159 and each team got up 58 shots. Charlotte shot awful from the field that game as well. Key thing to note here is Charlotte head coach Alan Major was on the bench for Ohio State when Tennessee beat them last year in the tournament (both teams got up at least 58 shots in that contest as well). Charlotte normally plays at a faster pace than this year but Coach Major might have something to do with it and this will be the fastest team they play thus far this year (early opponents 131, 129, 271, 191, 204, 142, 203, 191, 244, 244, 134). Tennessee comes in at mid 40’s. The games they played with a below 150 pace they totaled 148 and 150. Charlotte returns four of it’s starters and they were in need of a PG until they got Briscoe to transfer from NC Central. Tennessee is a matchup nightmare for any mid-major squad and this should be no different. The only problem I see withholding this total from going over is Tennessee coming off a loss, and a horrendous defensive game, where they put the clamps down here. This was pretty decent scheduling by Tennessee, as this game is being played at Time Warner Cable Arena, which is the host for the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the NCAA tournament...

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12/16 Results: Another weird night of games, and some decent bounces to go my way.

Sides: 25-16, +12.60

Totals: 12-7, +3.00

DNP: 25-21

12/17 Conference Notes: SOCON Basketball, my #7 (Chattanooga) at my #9 (Elon). Not much of a difference between the 7th and 9th ranked teams in this conference really. Elon won both meetings last year and I have noted numerous times on Schulman’s recruiting for Chattanooga being borderline idiotic with only bringing in transfers and JUCO players just about every year. Nooga’s 2-0 in the conference while Elon is 0-2. Chattanooga’s also coming off a tough physical contest with Murray State, while Elon is coming off a throttling of some school I’ve never heard of before. Elon’s losses this year: Wofford, Furman (on fire), Maryland, Wake Forest, and South Carolina. Both teams play fast, and both teams overall defense blow. Winning teams the last five meetings have scored 83, 82, 78, 79, and 86 in this series. I would think both teams have a shot at the 70’s here with decent shooting. But other than that, the game’s pretty even. I think the total is a tad bit too high. With Nooga coming off the physical contest, it might take a bit to get going here even against a horrendous defensive squad in Elon. Last year’s lined totals for these matchups were in the low 130’s and despite going over both games, the makeup of each squad isn’t all that different. We should see a much better defense from Elon tonight too. At 0-2 in the conference, it’s make or break the season pretty much with a home conference game against an equal opponent. Their two conference games thus far totaled 145 and 144, but both Furman and Wofford are much better adept offensively. Granted, I’m going to need some bad shooting and an intensity full of defense for this to hit, b/c if these teams play like they have been all year, then there will be plenty of points put up. This is just one of those gut/feel type scenarios based on value. A spike in 18 points from previous year’s listed totals, the makeup of where each team stands, I just think we see a bit of defense, enough to hopefully keep it under. Elon has Duke on deck, but I would not imagine a lookahead with an important conference game at hand. And Chattanooga’s on the road where I don’t expect them to perform as they did in their first two conference meetings which took place at home. Probably one of my dumbest bets of the year, but one I can’t pass up.

12/17 Non-Conference Notes: Nothing on Virginia/Oregon. Not really interested in either of these teams for the year. Charlotte’s got revenge from a 17 point defeat last year where Tennessee shot 57% from the field. That game totaled 159 and each team got up 58 shots. Charlotte shot awful from the field that game as well. Key thing to note here is Charlotte head coach Alan Major was on the bench for Ohio State when Tennessee beat them last year in the tournament (both teams got up at least 58 shots in that contest as well). Charlotte normally plays at a faster pace than this year but Coach Major might have something to do with it and this will be the fastest team they play thus far this year (early opponents 131, 129, 271, 191, 204, 142, 203, 191, 244, 244, 134). Tennessee comes in at mid 40’s. The games they played with a below 150 pace they totaled 148 and 150. Charlotte returns four of it’s starters and they were in need of a PG until they got Briscoe to transfer from NC Central. Tennessee is a matchup nightmare for any mid-major squad and this should be no different. The only problem I see withholding this total from going over is Tennessee coming off a loss, and a horrendous defensive game, where they put the clamps down here. This was pretty decent scheduling by Tennessee, as this game is being played at Time Warner Cable Arena, which is the host for the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the NCAA tournament...

nropp11

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Posted: Dec. 17, 2010 - 12:24 PM ET #536

...I mentioned four starters returning for Charlotte above, but Spears was recently kicked off the team (he hasn’t played since early November for suspension, but was just kicked off the team). Tennessee gets some much needed depth to an already stacked squad with the return of Maymon who sat out first semester with grades. It’s really hard to see that Charlotte and Oregon State put up 153, and this total is only lined at 144. Tennessee has put up 77 every game this year aside from Missouri State, who is far better defensively than Charlotte is here. Boise State has now lost three in a row after starting the season 6-0. This is also the third game of a three-game roadtrip for Boise State, while Utah has had a week to prepare but in somewhat of a sandwich game spot with Michigan last time out and Butler next time out. Coming into the year, I would have thought Utah would have a great defensive squad, and while they have been good, they could be a ton better. They’ve been without JJ O’Brien since the first game of the year. He’s a 6’6” combo guard who can score, and can also defend. They also lost their best wing defender in Tavita due to transferring b/c of playing time. Their best shot-blocker and post defender in 7’3” Foster is only seeing about 16 minutes a ballgame. Aside from that, it looks like Utah will be playing this game without their starting PG in Jay Watkins, which is going to be a key b/c Boise will be heavy at the guard spot. Boise isn’t relying on their post game at all this year, and they don’t start a center. Coming in, I thought Boise’s strength would be their frontcourt, but I’m clearly wrong. And I’m clearly wrong on Utah in a way as well. Probably best to leave this game alone, I would lean under (no clue what its released at) b/c I think Utah’s going to have to defend really well to have a shot at a win here, and against a team like Boise who posts no threat inside, I think Utah slows the pace and gets the ball inside. Who knows, maybe we’ll see more of Foster tonight. No reason he doesn’t see increased minutes here against a team like Boise who slashes to the hoop with consistency the last few years. Having a 7’3” mammoth in the middle will help prevent that. I really have no interest in Nevada the rest of the way I don’t think. Same can be said for Arizona State. Too many intangibles on both squads. Arizona State plays slow, Nevada’s stats don’t show a slow pace, but I’ve pointed out the total reverse direction this team has gone in regards to guard/post play before. This game really shouldn’t come out of the 50’s for either side. Citadel and Colorado, no thank you.

Bets: Chattanooga/Elon Under 150 (1 Unit)

DNP: Tennessee/Charlotte Over 143

GL

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...I mentioned four starters returning for Charlotte above, but Spears was recently kicked off the team (he hasn’t played since early November for suspension, but was just kicked off the team). Tennessee gets some much needed depth to an already stacked squad with the return of Maymon who sat out first semester with grades. It’s really hard to see that Charlotte and Oregon State put up 153, and this total is only lined at 144. Tennessee has put up 77 every game this year aside from Missouri State, who is far better defensively than Charlotte is here. Boise State has now lost three in a row after starting the season 6-0. This is also the third game of a three-game roadtrip for Boise State, while Utah has had a week to prepare but in somewhat of a sandwich game spot with Michigan last time out and Butler next time out. Coming into the year, I would have thought Utah would have a great defensive squad, and while they have been good, they could be a ton better. They’ve been without JJ O’Brien since the first game of the year. He’s a 6’6” combo guard who can score, and can also defend. They also lost their best wing defender in Tavita due to transferring b/c of playing time. Their best shot-blocker and post defender in 7’3” Foster is only seeing about 16 minutes a ballgame. Aside from that, it looks like Utah will be playing this game without their starting PG in Jay Watkins, which is going to be a key b/c Boise will be heavy at the guard spot. Boise isn’t relying on their post game at all this year, and they don’t start a center. Coming in, I thought Boise’s strength would be their frontcourt, but I’m clearly wrong. And I’m clearly wrong on Utah in a way as well. Probably best to leave this game alone, I would lean under (no clue what its released at) b/c I think Utah’s going to have to defend really well to have a shot at a win here, and against a team like Boise who posts no threat inside, I think Utah slows the pace and gets the ball inside. Who knows, maybe we’ll see more of Foster tonight. No reason he doesn’t see increased minutes here against a team like Boise who slashes to the hoop with consistency the last few years. Having a 7’3” mammoth in the middle will help prevent that. I really have no interest in Nevada the rest of the way I don’t think. Same can be said for Arizona State. Too many intangibles on both squads. Arizona State plays slow, Nevada’s stats don’t show a slow pace, but I’ve pointed out the total reverse direction this team has gone in regards to guard/post play before. This game really shouldn’t come out of the 50’s for either side. Citadel and Colorado, no thank you.

Bets: Chattanooga/Elon Under 150 (1 Unit)

DNP: Tennessee/Charlotte Over 143

GL

ELGALLO

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Posted: Dec. 17, 2010 - 12:38 PM ET #537

PRETTY GOOD INFO ROPP, SCORESAND ODDS SAYS LINE FOR TENNE/CHAT O/u OPENED AT 144.5 .
I GOT A LOCAL WITH 143.5 DO U THINK ITS STILL A GOOD UNDER WITH THAT NUMBER?
THANKS
KEEP IT UP

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aehs9111

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Posted: Dec. 17, 2010 - 12:45 PM ET #538

Keep it up

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winner2

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Posted: Dec. 17, 2010 - 12:46 PM ET #539

Quote Originally Posted by ELGALLO:

PRETTY GOOD INFO ROPP, SCORESAND ODDS SAYS LINE FOR TENNE/CHAT O/u OPENED AT 144.5 .
I GOT A LOCAL WITH 143.5 DO U THINK ITS STILL A GOOD UNDER WITH THAT NUMBER?
THANKS
KEEP IT UP

scoresandodds opened at 149.5 now its at 150

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Straus

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Posted: Dec. 17, 2010 - 12:47 PM ET #540

What you think of Tenn covering the 12??

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HoustonSports

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Posted: Dec. 17, 2010 - 12:51 PM ET #541

Quote Originally Posted by winner2:

scoresandodds opened at 149.5 now its at 150

Too funny. El Gallo trying to stir up shit?

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Posted: Dec. 17, 2010 - 12:55 PM ET #542

Vegasinsider.com has Tenn/Char at 143.5, while Ut/boise is at 137, and ASU/ Nev is 129

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CharmCityKing

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Posted: Dec. 17, 2010 - 12:59 PM ET #543

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Posted: Dec. 17, 2010 - 1:00 PM ET #544

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kkirby99

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Posted: Dec. 17, 2010 - 1:57 PM ET #545

Quote Originally Posted by FIVEHEAD:

A 6 POINT DIFFERENCE? ARE WE FUDGING LINES?

What are you talking about? Lines are right on.

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mandy1

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Posted: Dec. 17, 2010 - 2:03 PM ET #546

5head I got the line at 149.

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bills296

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Posted: Dec. 17, 2010 - 2:15 PM ET #547

TENN IS 143. TENN CHATT IS 150. SOMEONE GOT THEM MIXED UP.

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GameHunter

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Posted: Dec. 17, 2010 - 3:22 PM ET #548

Quote Originally Posted by FIVEHEAD:

A 6 POINT DIFFERENCE? ARE WE FUDGING LINES?

Dipshits multiply like rabbits around here lately.

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nropp11

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Posted: Dec. 17, 2010 - 3:57 PM ET #549

Quote Originally Posted by biff_chipmon:

Thanks nropp for all of the hard work you put in. You are an invaluable asset to this forum. I've gained an immense amount of knowledge from your detailed writeups.

Just wondering whether you'll be posting any CFb bowl plays this season?

Wishing you and yours a very happy holiday season!

Probably won't have time for a thread. Before the January games, I like:

Florida International +1.5

Arizona/Oklahoma State Under 65.5

Kansas State +1

GL

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nropp11

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Posted: Dec. 17, 2010 - 3:58 PM ET #550

Quote Originally Posted by Straus:

What you think of Tenn covering the 12??

Possible. Not my cup of tea laying 12 though...

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