haha love that profile pic. nropp could you explain you view on S. Illinois +10.5? Looked into that game a bit, and I leaned Clemson. I know Clemson lost yesterday to UTEP, but Clemson is still good defensively, and S. Illinois struggled against K-State, who is also good defensively. Is Clemson's offense that bad?
Thanks!
I think this SIU game holds an insane amount of value.
First, this SIU team was only a 14.5 point pup yesterday to Kansas State who has exhibited a much better offense and faster paced and balanced team than what Clemson brings in today. Slow the tempo here, and face a worse offense, and the line is only four points of difference? Just doesn’t add up. SIU brings in a similar style defensively that buzzsawed Clemson yesterday, so from that standpoint, we really shouldn’t see a sudden emergence offense coming out of the blue. Clemson’s size in the paint is really my only concern, but the way that SIU pressure’s the guards, it’s going to be tough to get the ball into the paint.
From an SIU perspective, you can really throw out the season results to date. They’ve had some extremely bad losses, and their wins are far from impressive. Actually, their wins are absolutely pathetic. So, the ML is a bit more risky but it holds just an ounce of value at 5/1 and here’s why. How does Clemson get up for this game? I can’t find a reason that after the travel, and pathetic performance, and also the early tip yesterday, I just can’t see them getting up for this game after the clunker yesterday and facing a team that has 3 wins on the season. As I mentioned, don’t look at SIU’s past, it means nothing and has no bearing on this matchup today. SIU just recently received the services of Kendal Brown Surles back two games ago. He was exceptional at Northern Illinois, and had a rough game yesterday off the bench, but if you look at who Rodriguez (KSU) has guarded this year, he’s shut down everyone. So that was expected. Along with Brown-Surles returning to the lineup, they also just made the decision to bring Drinkard into the mix instead of redshirting him b/c they needed some post depth, and he makes the defense a lot better than what it is. Along with that, they’ve been without their defensive leader, and main cog in terms of an offensive threat from anywhere on the court and main slasher in Justin Bocot, who returned yesterday after serving a lengthy suspension. Drinkard won’t make an immediate impact, but Brown-Surles and and Bocot are main reason this offense has sucked. They aren’t the greatest shooters, but when they play together, they attack and dribble drive which really opens up other options. Without them, SIU is forced to rely on the three-point shot, something they have not been good at for a few years. With that said, Brown-Surles and Bocot didn’t start yesterday, and Lowery is easing them back into the lineup, and that’s something that should change today. He may go with the bigger lineup early, but these guys will get and should get a ton more minutes after holding back in the blowout loss yesterday. With that, they should also get a nice little emotional up bringing in a game that really is winnable and a game they’ll be more comfortable playing a similar style. Don’t get me wrong, the Clemson defense is pretty good, and they have the ability to make teams foolish at different times throughout the course of the game, and it’s very well possible that happens today. But I’m taking a chance that it doesn’t on the back-to-back after UTEP’s style, and I’ll take my chances with an SIU defense that is fully healthy and gets even better than the #130 ranking they currently have with a finally full and complete roster. Any offense from either side in this one is just an added bonus, and if Clemson just shows any hint of not being ready, then the SIU slashers should take advantage.
GL
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Quote Originally Posted by gregdabunny:
I'm OLD GREGGGGGGGGG!
haha love that profile pic. nropp could you explain you view on S. Illinois +10.5? Looked into that game a bit, and I leaned Clemson. I know Clemson lost yesterday to UTEP, but Clemson is still good defensively, and S. Illinois struggled against K-State, who is also good defensively. Is Clemson's offense that bad?
Thanks!
I think this SIU game holds an insane amount of value.
First, this SIU team was only a 14.5 point pup yesterday to Kansas State who has exhibited a much better offense and faster paced and balanced team than what Clemson brings in today. Slow the tempo here, and face a worse offense, and the line is only four points of difference? Just doesn’t add up. SIU brings in a similar style defensively that buzzsawed Clemson yesterday, so from that standpoint, we really shouldn’t see a sudden emergence offense coming out of the blue. Clemson’s size in the paint is really my only concern, but the way that SIU pressure’s the guards, it’s going to be tough to get the ball into the paint.
From an SIU perspective, you can really throw out the season results to date. They’ve had some extremely bad losses, and their wins are far from impressive. Actually, their wins are absolutely pathetic. So, the ML is a bit more risky but it holds just an ounce of value at 5/1 and here’s why. How does Clemson get up for this game? I can’t find a reason that after the travel, and pathetic performance, and also the early tip yesterday, I just can’t see them getting up for this game after the clunker yesterday and facing a team that has 3 wins on the season. As I mentioned, don’t look at SIU’s past, it means nothing and has no bearing on this matchup today. SIU just recently received the services of Kendal Brown Surles back two games ago. He was exceptional at Northern Illinois, and had a rough game yesterday off the bench, but if you look at who Rodriguez (KSU) has guarded this year, he’s shut down everyone. So that was expected. Along with Brown-Surles returning to the lineup, they also just made the decision to bring Drinkard into the mix instead of redshirting him b/c they needed some post depth, and he makes the defense a lot better than what it is. Along with that, they’ve been without their defensive leader, and main cog in terms of an offensive threat from anywhere on the court and main slasher in Justin Bocot, who returned yesterday after serving a lengthy suspension. Drinkard won’t make an immediate impact, but Brown-Surles and and Bocot are main reason this offense has sucked. They aren’t the greatest shooters, but when they play together, they attack and dribble drive which really opens up other options. Without them, SIU is forced to rely on the three-point shot, something they have not been good at for a few years. With that said, Brown-Surles and Bocot didn’t start yesterday, and Lowery is easing them back into the lineup, and that’s something that should change today. He may go with the bigger lineup early, but these guys will get and should get a ton more minutes after holding back in the blowout loss yesterday. With that, they should also get a nice little emotional up bringing in a game that really is winnable and a game they’ll be more comfortable playing a similar style. Don’t get me wrong, the Clemson defense is pretty good, and they have the ability to make teams foolish at different times throughout the course of the game, and it’s very well possible that happens today. But I’m taking a chance that it doesn’t on the back-to-back after UTEP’s style, and I’ll take my chances with an SIU defense that is fully healthy and gets even better than the #130 ranking they currently have with a finally full and complete roster. Any offense from either side in this one is just an added bonus, and if Clemson just shows any hint of not being ready, then the SIU slashers should take advantage.
Say it ain't so my friend. I remember just the other day you posted "hahahaha" how funny it was that (I believe it was SIU) a team had wins over Chicago st & Northern Illinois. I know your fading the dead offense of Clemson here but sheesh SIU's 3 wins have come against 3 teams that don't have 1 win in 29 D-1 games...
BOL buddy...
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Quote Originally Posted by nropp11:
3* Valpo/IUPUI Over 145
2* Southern Illinois +10.5
1* Southern Illinois ML +500
Lean: Clemson/Southern Illinois Over 113.5
More.
GL
Say it ain't so my friend. I remember just the other day you posted "hahahaha" how funny it was that (I believe it was SIU) a team had wins over Chicago st & Northern Illinois. I know your fading the dead offense of Clemson here but sheesh SIU's 3 wins have come against 3 teams that don't have 1 win in 29 D-1 games...
Say it ain't so my friend. I remember just the other day you posted "hahahaha" how funny it was that (I believe it was SIU) a team had wins over Chicago st & Northern Illinois. I know your fading the dead offense of Clemson here but sheesh SIU's 3 wins have come against 3 teams that don't have 1 win in 29 D-1 games...
BOL buddy...
I watched SIU's game yesterday and it would have been a different story had the ref's not dinged up some of SIU's key players with 2 fouls. One player had 2 fouls in the first minute of the game.
I think they will be more comfortable out there today.
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Quote Originally Posted by oddsbuster:
Say it ain't so my friend. I remember just the other day you posted "hahahaha" how funny it was that (I believe it was SIU) a team had wins over Chicago st & Northern Illinois. I know your fading the dead offense of Clemson here but sheesh SIU's 3 wins have come against 3 teams that don't have 1 win in 29 D-1 games...
BOL buddy...
I watched SIU's game yesterday and it would have been a different story had the ref's not dinged up some of SIU's key players with 2 fouls. One player had 2 fouls in the first minute of the game.
I think they will be more comfortable out there today.
I was disappointed in seeing Purnell leave Clemson for Depaul and this Wright St. coach replaced him. Listened to Purnell at a clinic in Tunica a few years back and was very impressed with his methods he used coaching. Brown, or whatever his name is, hasn't been able to "sell" his players on things yet. Guess it takes 3 yrs to get a fair evaluation of a coach...unless your like Calipari running a freestyle "dribble-drive" offense with 5 star athletes. Capable of keeping those wheels spinning.
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I was disappointed in seeing Purnell leave Clemson for Depaul and this Wright St. coach replaced him. Listened to Purnell at a clinic in Tunica a few years back and was very impressed with his methods he used coaching. Brown, or whatever his name is, hasn't been able to "sell" his players on things yet. Guess it takes 3 yrs to get a fair evaluation of a coach...unless your like Calipari running a freestyle "dribble-drive" offense with 5 star athletes. Capable of keeping those wheels spinning.
I watched SIU's game yesterday and it would have been a different story had the ref's not dinged up some of SIU's key players with 2 fouls. One player had 2 fouls in the first minute of the game.
I think they will be more comfortable out there today.
I watched the game as well. I can understand this play based on value alone. Anything past that is a far stretch from holding valid points. This is one of those games that has a SIU wins SU or get's blown out feeling...BOL to which ever side you guys back today...
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Quote Originally Posted by CoverLane:
I watched SIU's game yesterday and it would have been a different story had the ref's not dinged up some of SIU's key players with 2 fouls. One player had 2 fouls in the first minute of the game.
I think they will be more comfortable out there today.
I watched the game as well. I can understand this play based on value alone. Anything past that is a far stretch from holding valid points. This is one of those games that has a SIU wins SU or get's blown out feeling...BOL to which ever side you guys back today...
You mentioned totals, but whats your thoughts on GMU and Manhattan. Manhattan seems to rely heavily on sound perimeter shooting, will GMU be able defend that and control the interior on both ends? Haven't seen either team play, but just based on what I have read. Hard to evaluate teams just on readings alone, I gotta see them to see what their make-up is.
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You mentioned totals, but whats your thoughts on GMU and Manhattan. Manhattan seems to rely heavily on sound perimeter shooting, will GMU be able defend that and control the interior on both ends? Haven't seen either team play, but just based on what I have read. Hard to evaluate teams just on readings alone, I gotta see them to see what their make-up is.
I think this SIU game holds an insane amount of value.
First, this SIU team was only a 14.5 point pup yesterday to Kansas State who has exhibited a much better offense and faster paced and balanced team than what Clemson brings in today. Slow the tempo here, and face a worse offense, and the line is only four points of difference? Just doesn’t add up. SIU brings in a similar style defensively that buzzsawed Clemson yesterday, so from that standpoint, we really shouldn’t see a sudden emergence offense coming out of the blue. Clemson’s size in the paint is really my only concern, but the way that SIU pressure’s the guards, it’s going to be tough to get the ball into the paint.
From an SIU perspective, you can really throw out the season results to date. They’ve had some extremely bad losses, and their wins are far from impressive. Actually, their wins are absolutely pathetic. So, the ML is a bit more risky but it holds just an ounce of value at 5/1 and here’s why. How does Clemson get up for this game? I can’t find a reason that after the travel, and pathetic performance, and also the early tip yesterday, I just can’t see them getting up for this game after the clunker yesterday and facing a team that has 3 wins on the season. As I mentioned, don’t look at SIU’s past, it means nothing and has no bearing on this matchup today. SIU just recently received the services of Kendal Brown Surles back two games ago. He was exceptional at Northern Illinois, and had a rough game yesterday off the bench, but if you look at who Rodriguez (KSU) has guarded this year, he’s shut down everyone. So that was expected. Along with Brown-Surles returning to the lineup, they also just made the decision to bring Drinkard into the mix instead of redshirting him b/c they needed some post depth, and he makes the defense a lot better than what it is. Along with that, they’ve been without their defensive leader, and main cog in terms of an offensive threat from anywhere on the court and main slasher in Justin Bocot, who returned yesterday after serving a lengthy suspension. Drinkard won’t make an immediate impact, but Brown-Surles and and Bocot are main reason this offense has sucked. They aren’t the greatest shooters, but when they play together, they attack and dribble drive which really opens up other options. Without them, SIU is forced to rely on the three-point shot, something they have not been good at for a few years. With that said, Brown-Surles and Bocot didn’t start yesterday, and Lowery is easing them back into the lineup, and that’s something that should change today. He may go with the bigger lineup early, but these guys will get and should get a ton more minutes after holding back in the blowout loss yesterday. With that, they should also get a nice little emotional up bringing in a game that really is winnable and a game they’ll be more comfortable playing a similar style. Don’t get me wrong, the Clemson defense is pretty good, and they have the ability to make teams foolish at different times throughout the course of the game, and it’s very well possible that happens today. But I’m taking a chance that it doesn’t on the back-to-back after UTEP’s style, and I’ll take my chances with an SIU defense that is fully healthy and gets even better than the #130 ranking they currently have with a finally full and complete roster. Any offense from either side in this one is just an added bonus, and if Clemson just shows any hint of not being ready, then the SIU slashers should take advantage.
GL
The line yesterday was 6 points off, should have been K St -19/20.....so this is a significant drop today to -10......
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Quote Originally Posted by nropp11:
I think this SIU game holds an insane amount of value.
First, this SIU team was only a 14.5 point pup yesterday to Kansas State who has exhibited a much better offense and faster paced and balanced team than what Clemson brings in today. Slow the tempo here, and face a worse offense, and the line is only four points of difference? Just doesn’t add up. SIU brings in a similar style defensively that buzzsawed Clemson yesterday, so from that standpoint, we really shouldn’t see a sudden emergence offense coming out of the blue. Clemson’s size in the paint is really my only concern, but the way that SIU pressure’s the guards, it’s going to be tough to get the ball into the paint.
From an SIU perspective, you can really throw out the season results to date. They’ve had some extremely bad losses, and their wins are far from impressive. Actually, their wins are absolutely pathetic. So, the ML is a bit more risky but it holds just an ounce of value at 5/1 and here’s why. How does Clemson get up for this game? I can’t find a reason that after the travel, and pathetic performance, and also the early tip yesterday, I just can’t see them getting up for this game after the clunker yesterday and facing a team that has 3 wins on the season. As I mentioned, don’t look at SIU’s past, it means nothing and has no bearing on this matchup today. SIU just recently received the services of Kendal Brown Surles back two games ago. He was exceptional at Northern Illinois, and had a rough game yesterday off the bench, but if you look at who Rodriguez (KSU) has guarded this year, he’s shut down everyone. So that was expected. Along with Brown-Surles returning to the lineup, they also just made the decision to bring Drinkard into the mix instead of redshirting him b/c they needed some post depth, and he makes the defense a lot better than what it is. Along with that, they’ve been without their defensive leader, and main cog in terms of an offensive threat from anywhere on the court and main slasher in Justin Bocot, who returned yesterday after serving a lengthy suspension. Drinkard won’t make an immediate impact, but Brown-Surles and and Bocot are main reason this offense has sucked. They aren’t the greatest shooters, but when they play together, they attack and dribble drive which really opens up other options. Without them, SIU is forced to rely on the three-point shot, something they have not been good at for a few years. With that said, Brown-Surles and Bocot didn’t start yesterday, and Lowery is easing them back into the lineup, and that’s something that should change today. He may go with the bigger lineup early, but these guys will get and should get a ton more minutes after holding back in the blowout loss yesterday. With that, they should also get a nice little emotional up bringing in a game that really is winnable and a game they’ll be more comfortable playing a similar style. Don’t get me wrong, the Clemson defense is pretty good, and they have the ability to make teams foolish at different times throughout the course of the game, and it’s very well possible that happens today. But I’m taking a chance that it doesn’t on the back-to-back after UTEP’s style, and I’ll take my chances with an SIU defense that is fully healthy and gets even better than the #130 ranking they currently have with a finally full and complete roster. Any offense from either side in this one is just an added bonus, and if Clemson just shows any hint of not being ready, then the SIU slashers should take advantage.
GL
The line yesterday was 6 points off, should have been K St -19/20.....so this is a significant drop today to -10......
You mentioned totals, but whats your thoughts on GMU and Manhattan. Manhattan seems to rely heavily on sound perimeter shooting, will GMU be able defend that and control the interior on both ends? Haven't seen either team play, but just based on what I have read. Hard to evaluate teams just on readings alone, I gotta see them to see what their make-up is.
grabbed 128 over night, its at 135 now fwiw
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Quote Originally Posted by 2dawgnation2:
You mentioned totals, but whats your thoughts on GMU and Manhattan. Manhattan seems to rely heavily on sound perimeter shooting, will GMU be able defend that and control the interior on both ends? Haven't seen either team play, but just based on what I have read. Hard to evaluate teams just on readings alone, I gotta see them to see what their make-up is.
You mentioned totals, but whats your thoughts on GMU and Manhattan. Manhattan seems to rely heavily on sound perimeter shooting, will GMU be able defend that and control the interior on both ends? Haven't seen either team play, but just based on what I have read. Hard to evaluate teams just on readings alone, I gotta see them to see what their make-up is.
I would lean to the over, but not interested depending on the Manhattan offense to put up points.
I think the better option is George Mason. I have yet to get the kind of effort I need out of this team yet this year, and while they may not have "put it all together" quite yet, it's the reason that they have some value placed on them here I think. Obviously, they have been turning the ball over quite a bit, a product of not having Cornelius in the lineup up until last game. If you read the Duquesne/GM writeup I touched on the other night, I suggested that it might be a good idea if both him and Wright would be in the game at the same time to combat the Duke's press. It didn't happen, so I assume it's going to be looked at as an option again tonight going against the Manhattan pressure. If it isn't, then that is OK. But, we should get more minutes out of Cornelius in game 2, than we got in game 1 which is a good thing in terms of taking care of the ball. If you look at their season, turnovers are a greater percentage of the story of why they've sucked. So, in looking at that, it's a good chance they turn the ball over tonight if things hold true and the lineup stays the same. The problem is, Manhattan's pressure doesn't really lead to much. Sure, they get some buckets in transition (pretty much where all the guards outside of Beamon score), but they operate better from an offensive standpoint in the half court. And here's the problem I think. They haven't really had to operate out of the half court much. Here's the last five teams they've played on this five game winning streak and their defensive ranks:
Rider
I think the verdict's in on Rider. They can't defend anyone.
St. Peter's
While they can defend, they don't have anyone that can score.
Fordham
Mirror image of St. Peter's.
Hofstra
Mirror image of Fordham, but a bit better offense.
Towson
Easily one of the worst teams in the country.
Probably five games that they should have won without a doubt, and while they took care of business, they haven't really faced a team that can SCORE and DEFEND, outside of Syracuse, but I'm not comparing GM to Syracuse in any form or fashion. And I think that's the key here. Again, my analysis has been a bit off on George Mason this year, largely a product of them not being completely healthy, but this is a team that has the right defense and offense in place to make a deep run come March. Last thing I comment on here, is the fact that Manhattan has now gone up against two straight CAA foes in a row and this will be the third. Conference coaches stick together in the non-conference, pass thoughts along and so forth. This should be the toughest test Manhattan faces all year to this point. Yes, the Syracuse defense is one of the best in the country, but that's also a zone which plays into Manhattan's three-point chucking offense. This is a totally different style, and one that they have yet to come across this year. And it comes on third game of a roadtrip having just played an ugly game against Towson. IF, and that's a big IF, George Mason can just have an average game from the standpoint of taking care of the ball and forcing Manhattan to play in the half court rather than giving their guards additional opportunities to score, they should win this one rather easily. If they can't, then it'll be close.
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Quote Originally Posted by 2dawgnation2:
You mentioned totals, but whats your thoughts on GMU and Manhattan. Manhattan seems to rely heavily on sound perimeter shooting, will GMU be able defend that and control the interior on both ends? Haven't seen either team play, but just based on what I have read. Hard to evaluate teams just on readings alone, I gotta see them to see what their make-up is.
I would lean to the over, but not interested depending on the Manhattan offense to put up points.
I think the better option is George Mason. I have yet to get the kind of effort I need out of this team yet this year, and while they may not have "put it all together" quite yet, it's the reason that they have some value placed on them here I think. Obviously, they have been turning the ball over quite a bit, a product of not having Cornelius in the lineup up until last game. If you read the Duquesne/GM writeup I touched on the other night, I suggested that it might be a good idea if both him and Wright would be in the game at the same time to combat the Duke's press. It didn't happen, so I assume it's going to be looked at as an option again tonight going against the Manhattan pressure. If it isn't, then that is OK. But, we should get more minutes out of Cornelius in game 2, than we got in game 1 which is a good thing in terms of taking care of the ball. If you look at their season, turnovers are a greater percentage of the story of why they've sucked. So, in looking at that, it's a good chance they turn the ball over tonight if things hold true and the lineup stays the same. The problem is, Manhattan's pressure doesn't really lead to much. Sure, they get some buckets in transition (pretty much where all the guards outside of Beamon score), but they operate better from an offensive standpoint in the half court. And here's the problem I think. They haven't really had to operate out of the half court much. Here's the last five teams they've played on this five game winning streak and their defensive ranks:
Rider
I think the verdict's in on Rider. They can't defend anyone.
St. Peter's
While they can defend, they don't have anyone that can score.
Fordham
Mirror image of St. Peter's.
Hofstra
Mirror image of Fordham, but a bit better offense.
Towson
Easily one of the worst teams in the country.
Probably five games that they should have won without a doubt, and while they took care of business, they haven't really faced a team that can SCORE and DEFEND, outside of Syracuse, but I'm not comparing GM to Syracuse in any form or fashion. And I think that's the key here. Again, my analysis has been a bit off on George Mason this year, largely a product of them not being completely healthy, but this is a team that has the right defense and offense in place to make a deep run come March. Last thing I comment on here, is the fact that Manhattan has now gone up against two straight CAA foes in a row and this will be the third. Conference coaches stick together in the non-conference, pass thoughts along and so forth. This should be the toughest test Manhattan faces all year to this point. Yes, the Syracuse defense is one of the best in the country, but that's also a zone which plays into Manhattan's three-point chucking offense. This is a totally different style, and one that they have yet to come across this year. And it comes on third game of a roadtrip having just played an ugly game against Towson. IF, and that's a big IF, George Mason can just have an average game from the standpoint of taking care of the ball and forcing Manhattan to play in the half court rather than giving their guards additional opportunities to score, they should win this one rather easily. If they can't, then it'll be close.
Think it's about right. Going to watch and enjoy this one. Cal's been a different animal on the road than at home. Would probably point toward UNLV, but not even going to have a lean in this one.
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Quote Originally Posted by lbreno:
Nice writeups nropp.
Any thoughts on UNLV-Cal under 140?
Think it's about right. Going to watch and enjoy this one. Cal's been a different animal on the road than at home. Would probably point toward UNLV, but not even going to have a lean in this one.
I was disappointed in seeing Purnell leave Clemson for Depaul and this Wright St. coach replaced him. Listened to Purnell at a clinic in Tunica a few years back and was very impressed with his methods he used coaching. Brown, or whatever his name is, hasn't been able to "sell" his players on things yet. Guess it takes 3 yrs to get a fair evaluation of a coach...unless your like Calipari running a freestyle "dribble-drive" offense with 5 star athletes. Capable of keeping those wheels spinning.
I'm a big fan of Purnell and his philosophies. I just have a hard time believing that he's going to consistently get recruits into Depaul.
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Quote Originally Posted by 2dawgnation2:
I was disappointed in seeing Purnell leave Clemson for Depaul and this Wright St. coach replaced him. Listened to Purnell at a clinic in Tunica a few years back and was very impressed with his methods he used coaching. Brown, or whatever his name is, hasn't been able to "sell" his players on things yet. Guess it takes 3 yrs to get a fair evaluation of a coach...unless your like Calipari running a freestyle "dribble-drive" offense with 5 star athletes. Capable of keeping those wheels spinning.
I'm a big fan of Purnell and his philosophies. I just have a hard time believing that he's going to consistently get recruits into Depaul.
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