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    nropp11
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 2:54 PM ET #1

    November: 46-38, +5.20
    November Leans: 39-38
    December: 65-70, -9.45
    December Leans: 67-79
    January: 35-27, +16.20
    January Leans: 33-31


    I’ve pointed this out before a few times this year, but Cleveland State is pretty good after a loss. For whatever reason, the defense looks even better. 

    After losing to Hofstra, they only allowed 45 points to Rhode Island
    After losing to South Florida, they only allowed 45 points to Sam Houston State
    After losing to Youngstown State, they only allowed 56 points to Illinois-Chicago

    Now, those offenses are certainly no world beaters, but, neither is Wisconsin Green Bay. After losing their main cogs from last year’s team, they don’t have a go-to scorer, and they’re struggling to find scoring from anywhere. Here’s what they’ve done against good defenses this year (which CSU would qualify under, especially coming off a loss):

    North Dakota State (61 in 70 possessions)
    Wyoming (52)
    Indiana State (56)
    Virginia (42)
    Wisconsin (42)
    Marquette (61 in 76 possessions)
    Idaho (63)
    Butler (49)
    Wisky MKE (63 in 72 possessions)
    Wright State (57)

    Those are some pretty low numbers. Let’s focus on the low #’s with a ton of possessions b/c this will be key here. For one, Cleveland State hasn’t played in a 70 possession game since the first few weeks of the season. If for some reason this game does go over the 70 possession mark, then the lack of offense from Wisky GB here still holds value in any under. But, here’s the reason I think that I don’t get a ton of possessions. First, Wisconsin Green Bay has a huge advantage in the paint here. Their top possession guy is 7’1” Alec Brown. Cleveland State has nobody that can be physical with him. It’s a huge advantage for Wisconsin Green Bay here, and something they’ll look to find and find often, but Cleveland State’s guards defend exceptionally well. If you remember anything from last year, I think it was pretty apparent that I had a hard-on for Cleveland State’s D’Aundray Brown, as that team last year with him would have been special. He’s a defensive superstar and it’s rare that people score on him. With the guard pressure that CSU brings, it’s going to be tough for Wisky GB to get the ball inside. So, what do I think will happen here? Well, neither of these offenses scare me. In fact, both are far worse than what they were a year ago, and both defenses are exceptionally better. If you look at last year’s meetings, the totals came in at 158 and 121. The total of 158 is a bit false as both teams shot the ball exceptionally well, and 51 of those 158 points came at the foul line. That just isn’t going to happen again. Just to give you an idea of how well both teams shot in that game that ended at 158, there was only 63 possessions. The other meeting played to 59 possessions. Two years ago, these two teams played to 56 and 63 possessions. Again, the past few years these teams have had big name players and big name scorers. Thus, his game should hit nowhere near 70 possessions, and there’s a 50/50 chance that they’re closer to the 60 possession range. Am I going to trust these offenses to score in a snail setting? Not at all. Wisconsin Green Bay should be able to use more clock than normal, and get the big guy involved. On the defensive side of things for Wisky GB, they pressure the guards just as CSU does, and they try to force you into the paint. When you go into the paint, you have a 7 footer waiting for you (Brown had 11 blocks I believe against Wright State). Neither team gets to the foul line this year so there’s a 99% chance this game doesn’t get 68 foul attempts like last year’s meeting. It really just comes down to one thing, and it’s the fact that both teams defenses are much, much better than their offenses. These two teams know each other, and they know exactly what the other team wants to do. Brown may get some points in the paint, and the CSU guards may hit some perimeter shots, but even in that situation, I don’t think it’s going to be enough to go over this number. It also helps that CSU is coming off a loss. Cleveland State 61, Wisky GB 50

    1* Wisconsin Green Bay/Cleveland State Under 129

    GL
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    November: 46-38, +5.20
    November Leans: 39-38
    December: 65-70, -9.45
    December Leans: 67-79
    January: 35-27, +16.20
    January Leans: 33-31


    I’ve pointed this out before a few times this year, but Cleveland State is pretty good after a loss. For whatever reason, the defense looks even better. 

    After losing to Hofstra, they only allowed 45 points to Rhode Island
    After losing to South Florida, they only allowed 45 points to Sam Houston State
    After losing to Youngstown State, they only allowed 56 points to Illinois-Chicago

    Now, those offenses are certainly no world beaters, but, neither is Wisconsin Green Bay. After losing their main cogs from last year’s team, they don’t have a go-to scorer, and they’re struggling to find scoring from anywhere. Here’s what they’ve done against good defenses this year (which CSU would qualify under, especially coming off a loss):

    North Dakota State (61 in 70 possessions)
    Wyoming (52)
    Indiana State (56)
    Virginia (42)
    Wisconsin (42)
    Marquette (61 in 76 possessions)
    Idaho (63)
    Butler (49)
    Wisky MKE (63 in 72 possessions)
    Wright State (57)

    Those are some pretty low numbers. Let’s focus on the low #’s with a ton of possessions b/c this will be key here. For one, Cleveland State hasn’t played in a 70 possession game since the first few weeks of the season. If for some reason this game does go over the 70 possession mark, then the lack of offense from Wisky GB here still holds value in any under. But, here’s the reason I think that I don’t get a ton of possessions. First, Wisconsin Green Bay has a huge advantage in the paint here. Their top possession guy is 7’1” Alec Brown. Cleveland State has nobody that can be physical with him. It’s a huge advantage for Wisconsin Green Bay here, and something they’ll look to find and find often, but Cleveland State’s guards defend exceptionally well. If you remember anything from last year, I think it was pretty apparent that I had a hard-on for Cleveland State’s D’Aundray Brown, as that team last year with him would have been special. He’s a defensive superstar and it’s rare that people score on him. With the guard pressure that CSU brings, it’s going to be tough for Wisky GB to get the ball inside. So, what do I think will happen here? Well, neither of these offenses scare me. In fact, both are far worse than what they were a year ago, and both defenses are exceptionally better. If you look at last year’s meetings, the totals came in at 158 and 121. The total of 158 is a bit false as both teams shot the ball exceptionally well, and 51 of those 158 points came at the foul line. That just isn’t going to happen again. Just to give you an idea of how well both teams shot in that game that ended at 158, there was only 63 possessions. The other meeting played to 59 possessions. Two years ago, these two teams played to 56 and 63 possessions. Again, the past few years these teams have had big name players and big name scorers. Thus, his game should hit nowhere near 70 possessions, and there’s a 50/50 chance that they’re closer to the 60 possession range. Am I going to trust these offenses to score in a snail setting? Not at all. Wisconsin Green Bay should be able to use more clock than normal, and get the big guy involved. On the defensive side of things for Wisky GB, they pressure the guards just as CSU does, and they try to force you into the paint. When you go into the paint, you have a 7 footer waiting for you (Brown had 11 blocks I believe against Wright State). Neither team gets to the foul line this year so there’s a 99% chance this game doesn’t get 68 foul attempts like last year’s meeting. It really just comes down to one thing, and it’s the fact that both teams defenses are much, much better than their offenses. These two teams know each other, and they know exactly what the other team wants to do. Brown may get some points in the paint, and the CSU guards may hit some perimeter shots, but even in that situation, I don’t think it’s going to be enough to go over this number. It also helps that CSU is coming off a loss. Cleveland State 61, Wisky GB 50

    1* Wisconsin Green Bay/Cleveland State Under 129

    GL
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 3:02 PM ET #3

    Good analysis as always, Neil

    I had a similar thought process on this game as well, but took the +10 with W-GB instead. Catching double digits in a very low possession game has added value as we both know.

    GL with your play

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    Good analysis as always, Neil

    I had a similar thought process on this game as well, but took the +10 with W-GB instead. Catching double digits in a very low possession game has added value as we both know.

    GL with your play

     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 3:07 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by riccio14:

    Good analysis as always, Neil

    I had a similar thought process on this game as well, but took the +10 with W-GB instead. Catching double digits in a very low possession game has added value as we both know.

    GL with your play


    I thought about it and talked myself out of it. This is the most pressure these guards are going to see all year, and GB turns the ball over more than enough against regular pressure. Just turned the ball over in a home game against Wright State 21 times. Screams disaster.

    GL
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    Quote Originally Posted by riccio14:

    Good analysis as always, Neil

    I had a similar thought process on this game as well, but took the +10 with W-GB instead. Catching double digits in a very low possession game has added value as we both know.

    GL with your play


    I thought about it and talked myself out of it. This is the most pressure these guards are going to see all year, and GB turns the ball over more than enough against regular pressure. Just turned the ball over in a home game against Wright State 21 times. Screams disaster.

    GL
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 4:03 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by riccio14:

    Good analysis as always, Neil

    I had a similar thought process on this game as well, but took the +10 with W-GB instead. Catching double digits in a very low possession game has added value as we both know.

    GL with your play

     

    Riccio,

    Are you going to post a play then if you're taking Wisc-GB +10?

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    Quote Originally Posted by riccio14:

    Good analysis as always, Neil

    I had a similar thought process on this game as well, but took the +10 with W-GB instead. Catching double digits in a very low possession game has added value as we both know.

    GL with your play

     

    Riccio,

    Are you going to post a play then if you're taking Wisc-GB +10?

     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 4:12 PM ET #6

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    Best of Luck 
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    Best of Luck 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 4:37 PM ET #8

    Neil.... Any thoughts on the manhattan game. Have a strong lean on them but looks like their due for a loss.
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    Neil.... Any thoughts on the manhattan game. Have a strong lean on them but looks like their due for a loss.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by njnspigly:

    Neil.... Any thoughts on the manhattan game. Have a strong lean on them but looks like their due for a loss.

    Marist going against the press might actually make them a bit better offensively. They got a ton of guards, and actually go 3 or 4 guard sets at times, so they have some options to beat the press.

    Manhattan's been playing some good basketball.

    Line's probably about right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by njnspigly:

    Neil.... Any thoughts on the manhattan game. Have a strong lean on them but looks like their due for a loss.

    Marist going against the press might actually make them a bit better offensively. They got a ton of guards, and actually go 3 or 4 guard sets at times, so they have some options to beat the press.

    Manhattan's been playing some good basketball.

    Line's probably about right.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 4:47 PM ET #10

    over here...who cares.gL
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    over here...who cares.gL
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaDaddy:

    over here...who cares.gL

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaDaddy:

    over here...who cares.gL

     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 5:11 PM ET #12

    Didn't Marist just lose a guard for the year, though, they seem do have a bunch of guys with similar numbers at that position.
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    Didn't Marist just lose a guard for the year, though, they seem do have a bunch of guys with similar numbers at that position.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaineRoad:

    Didn't Marist just lose a guard for the year, though, they seem do have a bunch of guys with similar numbers at that position.

    If you're referencing Carter, he was hurt a while ago
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaineRoad:

    Didn't Marist just lose a guard for the year, though, they seem do have a bunch of guys with similar numbers at that position.

    If you're referencing Carter, he was hurt a while ago
     
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    Sure enough.  I didn't realize they had been without him this long. He had impressed me some - ast least by MAAC standards - when I had seen him previously.  Good spot for the Foxes tonight, methinks. 
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    Sure enough.  I didn't realize they had been without him this long. He had impressed me some - ast least by MAAC standards - when I had seen him previously.  Good spot for the Foxes tonight, methinks. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 5:22 PM ET #15

    Jumpin to tomorrow....

    How can W&M bounce back after an ot letdown vs VCU?

    How can ND stay within dd of the Orange?

    How can Mizzou rebound with the Bears?

    Is Duke really 12 points better than FSU?

     

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    Jumpin to tomorrow....

    How can W&M bounce back after an ot letdown vs VCU?

    How can ND stay within dd of the Orange?

    How can Mizzou rebound with the Bears?

    Is Duke really 12 points better than FSU?

     

     
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    Neil,,,,I like Youngstown State has been tough at home playing the first place team....andy thoughts...I like the home dog 
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    Neil,,,,I like Youngstown State has been tough at home playing the first place team....andy thoughts...I like the home dog 
     
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    sorry typing skills are  terrible...any thoughts...not andy
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    sorry typing skills are  terrible...any thoughts...not andy
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 5:33 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    Jumpin to tomorrow....

    How can W&M bounce back after an ot letdown vs VCU?

    How can ND stay within dd of the Orange?

    How can Mizzou rebound with the Bears?

    Is Duke really 12 points better than FSU?

     


    I think the only reason William & Mary played respectable was b/c VCU was caught looking ahead. Good spot for UNC Wilmington. This William & Mary defense is awfully similar to that Delaware style a while back, but laying chalk on the road is a different story. And Bill & Mary coming home after national TV game with another big boy on tap. Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Peterson.

    No interest in Notre Dame at all.

    Baylor's looked bad when it gets sped up. Missouri's been playing slow. Not sure what to think here.

    Duke w/ revenge. FSU letdown didn't occur the other night, does it here hitting the road the first time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    Jumpin to tomorrow....

    How can W&M bounce back after an ot letdown vs VCU?

    How can ND stay within dd of the Orange?

    How can Mizzou rebound with the Bears?

    Is Duke really 12 points better than FSU?

     


    I think the only reason William & Mary played respectable was b/c VCU was caught looking ahead. Good spot for UNC Wilmington. This William & Mary defense is awfully similar to that Delaware style a while back, but laying chalk on the road is a different story. And Bill & Mary coming home after national TV game with another big boy on tap. Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Peterson.

    No interest in Notre Dame at all.

    Baylor's looked bad when it gets sped up. Missouri's been playing slow. Not sure what to think here.

    Duke w/ revenge. FSU letdown didn't occur the other night, does it here hitting the road the first time?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 5:37 PM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by semperfi19:

    Neil,,,,I like Youngstown State has been tough at home playing the first place team....andy thoughts...I like the home dog 

    Interesting matchup. Youngstown will chuck a bunch of three's and Wisky MKE is #1 in the country at defending them. MKE's lone road conference win was Valpo, who coincidentally chucks a bunch of three's as well. Youngstown's probably the only thing I could play w/ MKE having the lookahead.

    GL
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    Quote Originally Posted by semperfi19:

    Neil,,,,I like Youngstown State has been tough at home playing the first place team....andy thoughts...I like the home dog 

    Interesting matchup. Youngstown will chuck a bunch of three's and Wisky MKE is #1 in the country at defending them. MKE's lone road conference win was Valpo, who coincidentally chucks a bunch of three's as well. Youngstown's probably the only thing I could play w/ MKE having the lookahead.

    GL
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 5:43 PM ET #20

    always appreciate the info
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    always appreciate the info
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 5:48 PM ET #21

    any read on Rider @ Iona? I really like the over in an up and down track meet. 
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    any read on Rider @ Iona? I really like the over in an up and down track meet. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 5:48 PM ET #22

    Hay man...Any insight on the Iona/Rider O/U 164.5?  Im thinking under...I dont see Rider scoring 65  and Iona scores 90 its still under
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    Hay man...Any insight on the Iona/Rider O/U 164.5?  Im thinking under...I dont see Rider scoring 65  and Iona scores 90 its still under
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 5:53 PM ET #23

    sup Neil thnx for the writeup 

    what you think of the Raider @ Iona O/U....???

    in my frist model i have 153.5

    second model 71 possesions 149.5

    third mod 74 poss. 157...

    also i have Iona at 17.8 right about the line...

    what you think of this game i know they can score big, but the Over at 164 is way off 


    thnx for ur insights...GL
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    sup Neil thnx for the writeup 

    what you think of the Raider @ Iona O/U....???

    in my frist model i have 153.5

    second model 71 possesions 149.5

    third mod 74 poss. 157...

    also i have Iona at 17.8 right about the line...

    what you think of this game i know they can score big, but the Over at 164 is way off 


    thnx for ur insights...GL
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 5:58 PM ET #24

    I'd take no notice of LADADDY.  he's turned into a retard nowadays.  He just types nonsense, just for the sake of it.  Word has it, that he may be vietnamese...which explains it all.
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    I'd take no notice of LADADDY.  he's turned into a retard nowadays.  He just types nonsense, just for the sake of it.  Word has it, that he may be vietnamese...which explains it all.
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 6:05 PM ET #25

    wow, 3 consecutive posts about the Rider/Iona total..... 
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    wow, 3 consecutive posts about the Rider/Iona total..... 
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