Some of you may or may not be familiar with KENPOM. For those who aren't you can go to kempom.com and learn more about it.
Long story short, this guy has created a website with tons of algorithms and formulas and what not to predict NCAAB games. His predictions have margin of victories (MOV) that are strikingly similar to the line Vegas puts out.
Once in a while, you will find games with larger variances. These are the games I have learned to bet more often than not, with variables in Vegas (team popularity, name recognition, etc) sometimes offsetting things that matter on the court, things KenPom does not take into account.
I posted something earlier in the week on this site about betting Baylor the other night based on this theory. Here is the thread:
Low and behold, I went heavy on Baylor, and it paid off. I know that is one isolated incident, but it is the only one I have posted on here.
There will be nights where I can't post because of my job (I manage a restaurant and a lot of times simply dont have the time to do my research), but in the mean time I will post on here not only to keep track, but hopefully help others.
Here are the rules for the system:
KenPom System:
Spread must be between 4-12 points- Anything smaller is too close to use the system on, IMO, and anything 12+ is what I define as a BLOWOUT
Win Probability % must be > 55%- KenPom also provides a Win Probability % next to their prediction. This is just the odds, according to the system, that the team wins the game.
Variance between Vegas Line and KenPom MOV must be > 2, for a NEUTRAL SITE game, said variance must be > 3- There will be a number of games within that 0-2 point variance, but anything 3 and over should be noted (I may eventually move the variance requisite up a point, but I want to try this for now).
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Some of you may or may not be familiar with KENPOM. For those who aren't you can go to kempom.com and learn more about it.
Long story short, this guy has created a website with tons of algorithms and formulas and what not to predict NCAAB games. His predictions have margin of victories (MOV) that are strikingly similar to the line Vegas puts out.
Once in a while, you will find games with larger variances. These are the games I have learned to bet more often than not, with variables in Vegas (team popularity, name recognition, etc) sometimes offsetting things that matter on the court, things KenPom does not take into account.
I posted something earlier in the week on this site about betting Baylor the other night based on this theory. Here is the thread:
Low and behold, I went heavy on Baylor, and it paid off. I know that is one isolated incident, but it is the only one I have posted on here.
There will be nights where I can't post because of my job (I manage a restaurant and a lot of times simply dont have the time to do my research), but in the mean time I will post on here not only to keep track, but hopefully help others.
Here are the rules for the system:
KenPom System:
Spread must be between 4-12 points- Anything smaller is too close to use the system on, IMO, and anything 12+ is what I define as a BLOWOUT
Win Probability % must be > 55%- KenPom also provides a Win Probability % next to their prediction. This is just the odds, according to the system, that the team wins the game.
Variance between Vegas Line and KenPom MOV must be > 2, for a NEUTRAL SITE game, said variance must be > 3- There will be a number of games within that 0-2 point variance, but anything 3 and over should be noted (I may eventually move the variance requisite up a point, but I want to try this for now).
What's the most efficient way to use this system ? I've looked at it several times but, I need a clear understanding of how to use it. Any recommendations ?
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What's the most efficient way to use this system ? I've looked at it several times but, I need a clear understanding of how to use it. Any recommendations ?
What's the most efficient way to use this system ? I've looked at it several times but, I need a clear understanding of how to use it. Any recommendations ?
*First things first, know that this is just a BAROMETER for picking, there are some picks KenPom will spew out that I just cant see myself going with, and for that I will just pass on the pick (not system picks, just regular picks)
*Look for the big variances in spreads. As I mentioned before, I think a lot of the reasons for big discrepancies is name recognition or HISTORY of a program. Tonight is a perfect example, with Elon (WHO THE HECK IS ELON?!) taking on household-name Missouri. That spread is honestly, minimum, 4 points too high. But who knows a damn thing about Elon?
*On that note, look at the different ratings for teams in different areas. Sometimes you will unearth that "breaking point," maybe seeing one team is very turnover prone and another team causes a lot, or rebounding %'s, pace ranking...things like that.
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Quote Originally Posted by Veteranpicker88:
What's the most efficient way to use this system ? I've looked at it several times but, I need a clear understanding of how to use it. Any recommendations ?
*First things first, know that this is just a BAROMETER for picking, there are some picks KenPom will spew out that I just cant see myself going with, and for that I will just pass on the pick (not system picks, just regular picks)
*Look for the big variances in spreads. As I mentioned before, I think a lot of the reasons for big discrepancies is name recognition or HISTORY of a program. Tonight is a perfect example, with Elon (WHO THE HECK IS ELON?!) taking on household-name Missouri. That spread is honestly, minimum, 4 points too high. But who knows a damn thing about Elon?
*On that note, look at the different ratings for teams in different areas. Sometimes you will unearth that "breaking point," maybe seeing one team is very turnover prone and another team causes a lot, or rebounding %'s, pace ranking...things like that.
What's the most efficient way to use this system ? I've looked at it several times but, I need a clear understanding of how to use it. Any recommendations ?
The cool thing about KenPom is there a number of ways to use it.
Like the OP, you can find discrepancies between the betting line and KenPom's prediction. A lot of people seem to have success with this method, though it's becoming increasingly difficult to find major gaps because the oddsmakers themselves use KenPom as a guide.
I, and plenty of others, use it to track the relative strengths and weaknesses of teams. The key to all of it is tempo. Every single statistic you see on KenPom is tempo-based. I laugh every time I see someone say "Team X has a better offense than Team Y because they score more points." That is laughable. Wisconsin often scores less than 70 a game, but they have the 2nd most efficient offense in the country. Nebraska-Omaha scores a crap ton of points, but they play at an absurd tempo. The whole system is based on tempo and possession, and how efficient teams are on the offensive and defensive ends.
Pretty sure somewhere on the site is a breakdown of how the calculations work. It definitely takes some time to learn all of the jargon, but it's easily the most valuable tool out there for capping games.
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Quote Originally Posted by Veteranpicker88:
What's the most efficient way to use this system ? I've looked at it several times but, I need a clear understanding of how to use it. Any recommendations ?
The cool thing about KenPom is there a number of ways to use it.
Like the OP, you can find discrepancies between the betting line and KenPom's prediction. A lot of people seem to have success with this method, though it's becoming increasingly difficult to find major gaps because the oddsmakers themselves use KenPom as a guide.
I, and plenty of others, use it to track the relative strengths and weaknesses of teams. The key to all of it is tempo. Every single statistic you see on KenPom is tempo-based. I laugh every time I see someone say "Team X has a better offense than Team Y because they score more points." That is laughable. Wisconsin often scores less than 70 a game, but they have the 2nd most efficient offense in the country. Nebraska-Omaha scores a crap ton of points, but they play at an absurd tempo. The whole system is based on tempo and possession, and how efficient teams are on the offensive and defensive ends.
Pretty sure somewhere on the site is a breakdown of how the calculations work. It definitely takes some time to learn all of the jargon, but it's easily the most valuable tool out there for capping games.
Kenpom is the best NCAAB information site u can find. Every single stat for every team is up to the minute. Been a subscriber since the 1st year. Don't look into the predicted outcome that much but all the info is gold.
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Kenpom is the best NCAAB information site u can find. Every single stat for every team is up to the minute. Been a subscriber since the 1st year. Don't look into the predicted outcome that much but all the info is gold.
it might be great if you could understand it the terms he uses might mean something to him Pyth and Luck come on If he don't explain what it all means and all the little numbers what good is it wish he could simply explain at the top of page
Mucho, if I could explain it easily, I would. But it's very complex, which in my mind further legitimizes it as well. Also, he charges for subscriptions and I don't want to give away too much out of respect for him, but like I said it's very complex. Visit the website and read about it.
Kenpom.com
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Quote Originally Posted by muchomojo:
it might be great if you could understand it the terms he uses might mean something to him Pyth and Luck come on If he don't explain what it all means and all the little numbers what good is it wish he could simply explain at the top of page
Mucho, if I could explain it easily, I would. But it's very complex, which in my mind further legitimizes it as well. Also, he charges for subscriptions and I don't want to give away too much out of respect for him, but like I said it's very complex. Visit the website and read about it.
Last 2 weeks in Jan is when this system is suppose to start ?? Not sure why , but that's what I have in my notes .. I may try it early myself ?? Good luck
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Last 2 weeks in Jan is when this system is suppose to start ?? Not sure why , but that's what I have in my notes .. I may try it early myself ?? Good luck
Last 2 weeks in Jan is when this system is suppose to start ?? Not sure why , but that's what I have in my notes .. I may try it early myself ?? Good luck
That is another system Upside. Its where you take any team outside 185 getting 6.5 points or more. You can see the old threads in here about it. It didnt do all that well last season though.
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Quote Originally Posted by Upside:
Last 2 weeks in Jan is when this system is suppose to start ?? Not sure why , but that's what I have in my notes .. I may try it early myself ?? Good luck
That is another system Upside. Its where you take any team outside 185 getting 6.5 points or more. You can see the old threads in here about it. It didnt do all that well last season though.
Mucho, if I could explain it easily, I would. But it's very complex, which in my mind further legitimizes it as well. Also, he charges for subscriptions and I don't want to give away too much out of respect for him, but like I said it's very complex. Visit the website and read about it.
Kenpom.com
And, IMHO, I think it is well worth the $20 yearly subscription cost.
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Quote Originally Posted by xbeejkx:
Mucho, if I could explain it easily, I would. But it's very complex, which in my mind further legitimizes it as well. Also, he charges for subscriptions and I don't want to give away too much out of respect for him, but like I said it's very complex. Visit the website and read about it.
Kenpom.com
And, IMHO, I think it is well worth the $20 yearly subscription cost.
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Mizzou is 58th in the nation in 3P% (38.4%), but 286th in 2P% (43.1%) and 283rd in FT% (64%)
Elon is 45th in the nation in defending the 3P shot (28.7%)
If Elon can guard the 3 tonight, Mizzou will struggle to get points.