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    SETON HALL vs GONZAGA. Anyone interested in reading a mini novel on this game?

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    Posted: Mar. 17, 2016 - 12:29 PM ET #51

    Quote Originally Posted by ateam1026:

    That was a really good read.  However, I won a TON of money off of Seton Hall this season and have to disagree with your statement that they haven't had success against a frontcourt as good as Gonzaga's.  Did you watch them succeed against Xavier's bigs?  


    Thanks guys!

    Just responding to come counters:

    Thanks and I know people have won a ton of money off SH. Consistently underrated team that Vegas wins money off of. I know how hard it can be to bet against a team that has paid you. Plenty of other games on the docket (but Xavier's bigs simply can't compare to these two twin towers. A valid point nonetheless. And if Delgado gets in foul trouble, the Hall doesn't have another guy over 6'7'' to guard 6'11' Sabonis and 6'10'' Wiltjer).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ateam1026:

    That was a really good read.  However, I won a TON of money off of Seton Hall this season and have to disagree with your statement that they haven't had success against a frontcourt as good as Gonzaga's.  Did you watch them succeed against Xavier's bigs?  


    Thanks guys!

    Just responding to come counters:

    Thanks and I know people have won a ton of money off SH. Consistently underrated team that Vegas wins money off of. I know how hard it can be to bet against a team that has paid you. Plenty of other games on the docket (but Xavier's bigs simply can't compare to these two twin towers. A valid point nonetheless. And if Delgado gets in foul trouble, the Hall doesn't have another guy over 6'7'' to guard 6'11' Sabonis and 6'10'' Wiltjer).
     
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    Posted: Mar. 17, 2016 - 12:33 PM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by DTPACE:

    There is a big chip on the shoulders of Seton Hall.  The Seton Hall team feels like they were once again snubbed by the committee... WInning the big east, and now you have to travel all the way to Denver to play Gonzaga???  A total disrespect...  There an extra motivational factor here for the pirates...  Although Gonzaga has been this sort of "cinderella" team in March, I don't think their the same team as previous years.  Yes, by Gonzaga being an 11 seed gives them "no added pressure" but I been following the pirates all season, and they somehow know how to elevate their game when it comes to the big stage.  ALso, I think the pirates back court matches up well against the zaggys guards.  If the pirates can speed up the tempo, press the zaggys guards, and try to get these big men for the zags in foul trouble, the Pirates have a realistic shot to move on. Just my 2 cents

    Can't disagree with anything here except that the disrespect role is a bit stretched when you are a 6 and the opponent is an 11.

    So do the Pirates troll Twitter and use the Vegas line as motivation? The line is -1.5 and was even most of the day. SH is not really a 'dog' with such a line.

    Yes, this is a Goanzaga team that is weaker than in years past but look at last year's team: they had no business getting as far as they did only to be dispatched by Duke but as always, they stepped it up in the tournament.

    And yes the travel is disrespect. But can the psychological motivation to overcome that disprespect counter the actual physcial toll the travel, thin air and start time of the game will have on them. I think the latter is much stronger in this spot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DTPACE:

    There is a big chip on the shoulders of Seton Hall.  The Seton Hall team feels like they were once again snubbed by the committee... WInning the big east, and now you have to travel all the way to Denver to play Gonzaga???  A total disrespect...  There an extra motivational factor here for the pirates...  Although Gonzaga has been this sort of "cinderella" team in March, I don't think their the same team as previous years.  Yes, by Gonzaga being an 11 seed gives them "no added pressure" but I been following the pirates all season, and they somehow know how to elevate their game when it comes to the big stage.  ALso, I think the pirates back court matches up well against the zaggys guards.  If the pirates can speed up the tempo, press the zaggys guards, and try to get these big men for the zags in foul trouble, the Pirates have a realistic shot to move on. Just my 2 cents

    Can't disagree with anything here except that the disrespect role is a bit stretched when you are a 6 and the opponent is an 11.

    So do the Pirates troll Twitter and use the Vegas line as motivation? The line is -1.5 and was even most of the day. SH is not really a 'dog' with such a line.

    Yes, this is a Goanzaga team that is weaker than in years past but look at last year's team: they had no business getting as far as they did only to be dispatched by Duke but as always, they stepped it up in the tournament.

    And yes the travel is disrespect. But can the psychological motivation to overcome that disprespect counter the actual physcial toll the travel, thin air and start time of the game will have on them. I think the latter is much stronger in this spot.


     
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    Posted: Mar. 17, 2016 - 12:34 PM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky805:

    Great write up one of the best i have seen on covers. I am on SH plus i bought a couple points +5.5. I think it will be close as Gonzaga was almost watching this tourney from home. St. Mary's had beaten them twice because of guard play and this is where I think SH will win the game. I am hoping for a high scoring game, many games will go under as we have already seen in the 4 play in games. 
    We will see I love March madness. GL to all 

    But St Mary's guard play failed them in the biggest spot with the most at risk.

    Same spot here for the Zags to step up again in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky805:

    Great write up one of the best i have seen on covers. I am on SH plus i bought a couple points +5.5. I think it will be close as Gonzaga was almost watching this tourney from home. St. Mary's had beaten them twice because of guard play and this is where I think SH will win the game. I am hoping for a high scoring game, many games will go under as we have already seen in the 4 play in games. 
    We will see I love March madness. GL to all 

    But St Mary's guard play failed them in the biggest spot with the most at risk.

    Same spot here for the Zags to step up again in.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 17, 2016 - 1:23 PM ET #54

    I really, really, hated seeing this. I have a great capper I follow and he's won like 5 straight as well. Well, guess what his number one pick and only pick today is.



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    I really, really, hated seeing this. I have a great capper I follow and he's won like 5 straight as well. Well, guess what his number one pick and only pick today is.



     
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    Posted: Mar. 17, 2016 - 1:25 PM ET #55

    One-and-Only
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    Seton Hall


    I'm in for the ZAGS -1.5, Hall is getting 2 now and climbing. Might try and middle it and root for my fellow peeps here at covers.


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    One-and-Only
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    Seton Hall


    I'm in for the ZAGS -1.5, Hall is getting 2 now and climbing. Might try and middle it and root for my fellow peeps here at covers.


     
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    Posted: Mar. 17, 2016 - 2:06 PM ET #56


    Where is his write-up Jr? I've had picks opposite all the greatest covers has to offer.

    It's only one game and if the cap is strong enough, it didn't bother me in the least.

    Don't get me wrong, the Zags will have to earn it in every which way. This will not be a blowout and I expect it to be very close. But the cap is the cap and I have Zaga when all is said and done
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    Where is his write-up Jr? I've had picks opposite all the greatest covers has to offer.

    It's only one game and if the cap is strong enough, it didn't bother me in the least.

    Don't get me wrong, the Zags will have to earn it in every which way. This will not be a blowout and I expect it to be very close. But the cap is the cap and I have Zaga when all is said and done
     
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    Posted: Mar. 17, 2016 - 2:10 PM ET #57

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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:


    Can't disagree with anything here except that the disrespect role is a bit stretched when you are a 6 and the opponent is an 11.

    So do the Pirates troll Twitter and use the Vegas line as motivation? The line is -1.5 and was even most of the day. SH is not really a 'dog' with such a line.

    Yes, this is a Goanzaga team that is weaker than in years past but look at last year's team: they had no business getting as far as they did only to be dispatched by Duke but as always, they stepped it up in the tournament.

    And yes the travel is disrespect. But can the psychological motivation to overcome that disprespect counter the actual physcial toll the travel, thin air and start time of the game will have on them. I think the latter is much stronger in this spot.



    I hear you my brother.  Man, I don't know which team is the "most conditioned" team but that mile high air might play a factor in this game lol. Just curious if you think this will be a home game for the Zags since it is in Denver? But ultimately, and yes your right, that SH on paper is the favorite, but are they really? Is there much of a difference btw these two teams??? Let take a look...

    The Zaggies per KenPom ranked 4th in the nation with 29.1% of its points coming from the power position.  Add another 24.5% of its scoring is done by the Zag's five man, which is 39th in the country. Seton Hall comes at the bottom tier, (close to last) on those results. PM me if any of you guys want more data I tested.

    Sabonis, and wiltjer are beast when it comes to scoring load and a couple of other big bodies make them solid up front... So whats the deal? why not Zags -3,-4, or -5???  Shitty season? injuries a bit? Now its Marchmadness...

    Seton Hall on the other side has Isaiah Whitehead. Whitehead averages 18ppg, 5.0 apg but efficiency rating is 31.3% which is top 20 in the nation. He going one and done to the NBA and he goes as SH goes.  I just see Whitehead going off and he at a level now where he is maturing and knows the game.  Freshman year, he was banged up, injured, played more one on one, but now he is more mature, and knows how to play the game. Just look at the Big East tourney, where the refs let them play physical.

    Bottom line:  Vegas see these two teams as pretty close and even.  There not a lot of difference btw these two teams plus both prolly go 7-8 deep. But as we seen over the years in the tourney, if you have that one super star who can create, and set up your players, and take over a game, you have a shot to win...  There just a certain toughness with this SH team this year that I havent seen for the past 2 years... Hopefully, these refs let the Pirates play lol. (grabs, holds, pushing lol since that is Big East Ball haha)

    Anyways, I am going with the pirates but BOL my brother...
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:


    Can't disagree with anything here except that the disrespect role is a bit stretched when you are a 6 and the opponent is an 11.

    So do the Pirates troll Twitter and use the Vegas line as motivation? The line is -1.5 and was even most of the day. SH is not really a 'dog' with such a line.

    Yes, this is a Goanzaga team that is weaker than in years past but look at last year's team: they had no business getting as far as they did only to be dispatched by Duke but as always, they stepped it up in the tournament.

    And yes the travel is disrespect. But can the psychological motivation to overcome that disprespect counter the actual physcial toll the travel, thin air and start time of the game will have on them. I think the latter is much stronger in this spot.



    I hear you my brother.  Man, I don't know which team is the "most conditioned" team but that mile high air might play a factor in this game lol. Just curious if you think this will be a home game for the Zags since it is in Denver? But ultimately, and yes your right, that SH on paper is the favorite, but are they really? Is there much of a difference btw these two teams??? Let take a look...

    The Zaggies per KenPom ranked 4th in the nation with 29.1% of its points coming from the power position.  Add another 24.5% of its scoring is done by the Zag's five man, which is 39th in the country. Seton Hall comes at the bottom tier, (close to last) on those results. PM me if any of you guys want more data I tested.

    Sabonis, and wiltjer are beast when it comes to scoring load and a couple of other big bodies make them solid up front... So whats the deal? why not Zags -3,-4, or -5???  Shitty season? injuries a bit? Now its Marchmadness...

    Seton Hall on the other side has Isaiah Whitehead. Whitehead averages 18ppg, 5.0 apg but efficiency rating is 31.3% which is top 20 in the nation. He going one and done to the NBA and he goes as SH goes.  I just see Whitehead going off and he at a level now where he is maturing and knows the game.  Freshman year, he was banged up, injured, played more one on one, but now he is more mature, and knows how to play the game. Just look at the Big East tourney, where the refs let them play physical.

    Bottom line:  Vegas see these two teams as pretty close and even.  There not a lot of difference btw these two teams plus both prolly go 7-8 deep. But as we seen over the years in the tourney, if you have that one super star who can create, and set up your players, and take over a game, you have a shot to win...  There just a certain toughness with this SH team this year that I havent seen for the past 2 years... Hopefully, these refs let the Pirates play lol. (grabs, holds, pushing lol since that is Big East Ball haha)

    Anyways, I am going with the pirates but BOL my brother...
     
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    Posted: Mar. 17, 2016 - 5:01 PM ET #59

    @Dt - yes this is more of a home game for Gonzaga. SH fans will be there and they'll be vocal but the Zags will have the majority of the support of not the overwhelming majority of it.

    Rmemeber, this entire SH team is basically sophomores with an exception here and there. That's big to me in terms of the job that needs to be accomplished and understanding how to adjust in what equates to the biggest game of their life.

    Zags have there edge on both counts.

    Thanks for the advanced metrics.
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    @Dt - yes this is more of a home game for Gonzaga. SH fans will be there and they'll be vocal but the Zags will have the majority of the support of not the overwhelming majority of it.

    Rmemeber, this entire SH team is basically sophomores with an exception here and there. That's big to me in terms of the job that needs to be accomplished and understanding how to adjust in what equates to the biggest game of their life.

    Zags have there edge on both counts.

    Thanks for the advanced metrics.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 17, 2016 - 5:15 PM ET #60

    So true scal. It always seems the more data I have, the more I hate it, especially for the tourney


    Bol of luck my brother.

    P.S. this Yale game is incredible...


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    So true scal. It always seems the more data I have, the more I hate it, especially for the tourney


    Bol of luck my brother.

    P.S. this Yale game is incredible...


     
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    Scal.. much respect sir. I admire your work and tail 100% keep them coming? Thank youuuuuu
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    Scal.. much respect sir. I admire your work and tail 100% keep them coming? Thank youuuuuu
     
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     Nice work Scal 
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     Nice work Scal 
     
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    Thank you for your hard work!!!
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    Thank you for your hard work!!!
     
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    Posted: Mar. 18, 2016 - 1:02 AM ET #67

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    NewJerseySoles
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    Posted: Mar. 18, 2016 - 1:02 AM ET #68

    Read your write up yesterday, decided to bet on gonzaga, thanks for the win!! 
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    Read your write up yesterday, decided to bet on gonzaga, thanks for the win!! 
     
    zzitoo75
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    Posted: Mar. 18, 2016 - 1:03 AM ET #69

    Scalllllll !!!

    My man, keep the fireball comin!! 


     
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    Scalllllll !!!

    My man, keep the fireball comin!! 


     
     
    tsw
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    Posted: Mar. 18, 2016 - 1:04 AM ET #70

    Good call Scal, hated being against you.




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    Good call Scal, hated being against you.




     
    mgmprofits
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    Posted: Mar. 18, 2016 - 1:05 AM ET #71

    Wow...you should see how simple i capped this game compared to the way you did...LOL

    Nice win though brother
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    Wow...you should see how simple i capped this game compared to the way you did...LOL

    Nice win though brother
     
    BANGTHEBOOKS
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    Posted: Mar. 18, 2016 - 1:08 AM ET #72

    Well done. Cheers 
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    Well done. Cheers 
     
    lanmaster
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    Posted: Mar. 18, 2016 - 1:18 AM ET #73

    GREAT WRITE UP AND PICK. SENT YOU A PM.
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    GREAT WRITE UP AND PICK. SENT YOU A PM.
     
    bpcuno
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    Posted: Mar. 18, 2016 - 1:21 AM ET #74

    Scal, when you do a writeup, I don't read them anymore because you've gained the respect of a consistent and reputable capper.  I look at the pick and place the bet knowing way more times than not you're spot on.  At best, I skim through the writeup haha.  Great work yet again!
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    Scal, when you do a writeup, I don't read them anymore because you've gained the respect of a consistent and reputable capper.  I look at the pick and place the bet knowing way more times than not you're spot on.  At best, I skim through the writeup haha.  Great work yet again!
     
     
    dxxlan
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    Posted: Mar. 18, 2016 - 1:34 AM ET #75

    Great call, great writeup. Keep picking your spots. You're killing it.
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    Great call, great writeup. Keep picking your spots. You're killing it.
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