Toledo opening at 19 and moving to 19.5 has me perplex after thinking about it. This line is based on Buffalo's solid overall record and home record (8-2) Whereas, Toledo's overall record looks like thrash,overall record 4-17, away record 0-10. At first glance when looking at the records at a standpoint, you would agree with the line the oddsmaker put out. Now onto common opponents, Kent St., Bowling Green, WMICH and NOIlL and Here are the corresponding lines
for those games.
vs Kent St. : Toledo +18.5 @ AWAY/ Buff -4 @ HOME vs BG : Toledo +5 @ HOME/ Buff -11.5 @ HOME vs WMICH: Toledo +9.5 @ HOME/ Buff -2.5 @ AWAY vs NOILL: Toledo +11 @ AWAY/ Buff - 13 @ HOME vs Young St: Toledo + 13.5 @ AWAY/ Buff -3.5 @ AWAY
*Considering @ Home is worth 8 pts.
Point Diff from each game respectively, 14.5, 16.5, 3.5, 16, 10.
So is the oddsmaker really making you lay the chalk with Buffalo record? Or do they really know something as don't? I really think the line is off and its a huge exaggeration due to the overall records.
Furthermore, with the common opponent theme. Buffalo is 2-3 ATS and 3-2 SU, losing as a -11.5 fav vs BG and losing to YT St as a -3.5 fav, Whereas, Toledo is 4-1 ATS (losing to BG by 6 pts as a 5 pt dog) and 1-4 SU, beating WMICH as a 9.5 dog.
Now here comes the stats for these 2 teams.
Toledo PPG 57 / PA 70.6 / FG% 39.9 / FGA% 44.9 Buffalo PPG 73.2 / PA 65.4
Now lets take a closer look at Toledo in their last five games. Where they've found there groove offensively and defensively. With a young team who needs to play day in and day out with confidence. Their definitely not lacking that knowing that there not losing by double digits as often and keeping their opponents under 42% FG.
PPG 61.2 / 67.2 / 40.2 FG% 40.2 / FGA% 41.2
I'll be on Toledo but for much? These stats support my play and if i lose, ill feel like a douche spending all this time writing this up. Normally I don't have writes up but this one definitely deserves one and I hope we can hurt the books.
PS. Shout to Spaz, I borrowed his/her format comparing the oppo spreads and etc.
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Toledo opening at 19 and moving to 19.5 has me perplex after thinking about it. This line is based on Buffalo's solid overall record and home record (8-2) Whereas, Toledo's overall record looks like thrash,overall record 4-17, away record 0-10. At first glance when looking at the records at a standpoint, you would agree with the line the oddsmaker put out. Now onto common opponents, Kent St., Bowling Green, WMICH and NOIlL and Here are the corresponding lines
for those games.
vs Kent St. : Toledo +18.5 @ AWAY/ Buff -4 @ HOME vs BG : Toledo +5 @ HOME/ Buff -11.5 @ HOME vs WMICH: Toledo +9.5 @ HOME/ Buff -2.5 @ AWAY vs NOILL: Toledo +11 @ AWAY/ Buff - 13 @ HOME vs Young St: Toledo + 13.5 @ AWAY/ Buff -3.5 @ AWAY
*Considering @ Home is worth 8 pts.
Point Diff from each game respectively, 14.5, 16.5, 3.5, 16, 10.
So is the oddsmaker really making you lay the chalk with Buffalo record? Or do they really know something as don't? I really think the line is off and its a huge exaggeration due to the overall records.
Furthermore, with the common opponent theme. Buffalo is 2-3 ATS and 3-2 SU, losing as a -11.5 fav vs BG and losing to YT St as a -3.5 fav, Whereas, Toledo is 4-1 ATS (losing to BG by 6 pts as a 5 pt dog) and 1-4 SU, beating WMICH as a 9.5 dog.
Now here comes the stats for these 2 teams.
Toledo PPG 57 / PA 70.6 / FG% 39.9 / FGA% 44.9 Buffalo PPG 73.2 / PA 65.4
Now lets take a closer look at Toledo in their last five games. Where they've found there groove offensively and defensively. With a young team who needs to play day in and day out with confidence. Their definitely not lacking that knowing that there not losing by double digits as often and keeping their opponents under 42% FG.
PPG 61.2 / 67.2 / 40.2 FG% 40.2 / FGA% 41.2
I'll be on Toledo but for much? These stats support my play and if i lose, ill feel like a douche spending all this time writing this up. Normally I don't have writes up but this one definitely deserves one and I hope we can hurt the books.
PS. Shout to Spaz, I borrowed his/her format comparing the oppo spreads and etc.
Basing your play just based on spreads against common opponents? Not very smart....
The line represents the records and perception. I have several other reasons why I like Toledo. But primarily the stats and spreads support my pick. I certainly trust the oddsmaker with there spreads and clearly there way off on this game. I'm excited to see what unravels...
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Quote Originally Posted by BrianLaverty:
KP has it at as a -24 point spread....
Basing your play just based on spreads against common opponents? Not very smart....
The line represents the records and perception. I have several other reasons why I like Toledo. But primarily the stats and spreads support my pick. I certainly trust the oddsmaker with there spreads and clearly there way off on this game. I'm excited to see what unravels...
Basing your play just based on spreads against common opponents? Not very smart....
yeah -24 with buffalo playing their best ball....do they really want to play their best ball with a big game on deck vs ball st...i know as a former athlete whenever i played a bottom dweller it kind of just had the go thru the motions vibe...especially when you know your going to win...lets not forget buffalos subs gettin mins if they up big
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Quote Originally Posted by BrianLaverty:
KP has it at as a -24 point spread....
Basing your play just based on spreads against common opponents? Not very smart....
yeah -24 with buffalo playing their best ball....do they really want to play their best ball with a big game on deck vs ball st...i know as a former athlete whenever i played a bottom dweller it kind of just had the go thru the motions vibe...especially when you know your going to win...lets not forget buffalos subs gettin mins if they up big
The line represents the records and perception. I have several other reasons why I like Toledo. But primarily the stats and spreads support my pick. I certainly trust the oddsmaker with there spreads and clearly there way off on this game. I'm excited to see what unravels...
I would love to hear these...
How about this:
Buffalo is a top 100 team...
Toledo has played 4 previous top 100 teams this year on the road...
They have lost by 39, 33, 34 and 32.
Some other road games?
They were down 15 at the half to Kent State They were down 17 at the half to UNC Wilmington
They are averaging 48.8 ppg in there last 5 road games... and none of those defenses they played against came close to Buffalo's.
They have not scored 60 points in a MAC road game in there last 14 conference games away from home.
Is this really a team you want to back on the road?
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Quote Originally Posted by primetimeblitz:
The line represents the records and perception. I have several other reasons why I like Toledo. But primarily the stats and spreads support my pick. I certainly trust the oddsmaker with there spreads and clearly there way off on this game. I'm excited to see what unravels...
I would love to hear these...
How about this:
Buffalo is a top 100 team...
Toledo has played 4 previous top 100 teams this year on the road...
They have lost by 39, 33, 34 and 32.
Some other road games?
They were down 15 at the half to Kent State They were down 17 at the half to UNC Wilmington
They are averaging 48.8 ppg in there last 5 road games... and none of those defenses they played against came close to Buffalo's.
They have not scored 60 points in a MAC road game in there last 14 conference games away from home.
Is this really a team you want to back on the road?
yeah -24 with buffalo playing their best ball....do they really want to play their best ball with a big game on deck vs ball st...i know as a former athlete whenever i played a bottom dweller it kind of just had the go thru the motions vibe...especially when you know your going to win...lets not forget buffalos subs gettin mins if they up big
yeah like the other day when everrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrybody loved Towson at HOME getting ~+16 points against George Mason and GM blew them away by 30+ (this was after the game was postponed a day due to storms).
when you take ANY amount of points and you're betting on a bad team you're just hoping and praying...don't get me wrong that can be fun too
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Quote Originally Posted by EVANTORR:
yeah -24 with buffalo playing their best ball....do they really want to play their best ball with a big game on deck vs ball st...i know as a former athlete whenever i played a bottom dweller it kind of just had the go thru the motions vibe...especially when you know your going to win...lets not forget buffalos subs gettin mins if they up big
yeah like the other day when everrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrybody loved Towson at HOME getting ~+16 points against George Mason and GM blew them away by 30+ (this was after the game was postponed a day due to storms).
when you take ANY amount of points and you're betting on a bad team you're just hoping and praying...don't get me wrong that can be fun too
yeah -24 with buffalo playing their best ball....do they really want to play their best ball with a big game on deck vs ball st...i know as a former athlete whenever i played a bottom dweller it kind of just had the go thru the motions vibe...especially when you know your going to win...lets not forget buffalos subs gettin mins if they up big
Toledo is historically bad.... Buffalo can go through the motions and still win by 30....
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Quote Originally Posted by EVANTORR:
yeah -24 with buffalo playing their best ball....do they really want to play their best ball with a big game on deck vs ball st...i know as a former athlete whenever i played a bottom dweller it kind of just had the go thru the motions vibe...especially when you know your going to win...lets not forget buffalos subs gettin mins if they up big
Toledo is historically bad.... Buffalo can go through the motions and still win by 30....
Toledo has a road power rating near worst in the nation. They have faced 4 teams in the top 100 all year on the road. Their loss margin averages 32 points in those games.
They face #89 Buffalo today. Most mathematical simulations have them losing by 25 points.
The only factors working to make it appear Toledo is improving of late have been the strength of the opponents they have faced and that 3 out of the last 4 games have been at home,
Buffalo is heads and tails better than the likes of W. and C, Michigan, NIU and Bowling Green.
Common opponent factor is virtually useless in handicapping a team this bad.
Good luck with your play.
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The line is short 5 points and should be 24.
Toledo has a road power rating near worst in the nation. They have faced 4 teams in the top 100 all year on the road. Their loss margin averages 32 points in those games.
They face #89 Buffalo today. Most mathematical simulations have them losing by 25 points.
The only factors working to make it appear Toledo is improving of late have been the strength of the opponents they have faced and that 3 out of the last 4 games have been at home,
Buffalo is heads and tails better than the likes of W. and C, Michigan, NIU and Bowling Green.
Common opponent factor is virtually useless in handicapping a team this bad.
last time these guys faced it was 2 oclock game as well but on a sunday in march....buff led by 12 at halftime and won the full game by 18....is this buffalo team better than last years how many returners do they have?..im pretty sure this toledo is worse than last years..correct? and they are missing 4 guys accoring to covers matchup page.
im feeling a buff -11 1st half buff -19 for game and maybe toledo at halftime to get a middle on the fg...thoughts?
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last time these guys faced it was 2 oclock game as well but on a sunday in march....buff led by 12 at halftime and won the full game by 18....is this buffalo team better than last years how many returners do they have?..im pretty sure this toledo is worse than last years..correct? and they are missing 4 guys accoring to covers matchup page.
im feeling a buff -11 1st half buff -19 for game and maybe toledo at halftime to get a middle on the fg...thoughts?
Toledo has a road power rating near worst in the nation. They have faced 4 teams in the top 100 all year on the road. Their loss margin averages 32 points in those games.
They face #89 Buffalo today. Most mathematical simulations have them losing by 25 points.
The only factors working to make it appear Toledo is improving of late have been the strength of the opponents they have faced and that 3 out of the last 4 games have been at home,
Buffalo is heads and tails better than the likes of W. and C, Michigan, NIU and Bowling Green.
Common opponent factor is virtually useless in handicapping a team this bad.
Good luck with your play.
what scares me a little is the fact that toledo lost by 6 to bowling green..and buffalo lost to the same bowling green team by 3 in ot...anyone have any insight on that?
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Quote Originally Posted by billysink:
The line is short 5 points and should be 24.
Toledo has a road power rating near worst in the nation. They have faced 4 teams in the top 100 all year on the road. Their loss margin averages 32 points in those games.
They face #89 Buffalo today. Most mathematical simulations have them losing by 25 points.
The only factors working to make it appear Toledo is improving of late have been the strength of the opponents they have faced and that 3 out of the last 4 games have been at home,
Buffalo is heads and tails better than the likes of W. and C, Michigan, NIU and Bowling Green.
Common opponent factor is virtually useless in handicapping a team this bad.
Good luck with your play.
what scares me a little is the fact that toledo lost by 6 to bowling green..and buffalo lost to the same bowling green team by 3 in ot...anyone have any insight on that?
in that game buff was 11.5 faves and were leading by 6 at halftime....actually as of now my gut on this game is to take buff first half and toledo for the game...than toledo 2nd half hopefully getting a nice middle
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in that game buff was 11.5 faves and were leading by 6 at halftime....actually as of now my gut on this game is to take buff first half and toledo for the game...than toledo 2nd half hopefully getting a nice middle
Buffalo against teams ranked 200 and above hasn't blown out a opponent by more than 20 pts except Navy. Can you say maybe perhaps they play down to there opponent? Will they really need to clamp down on D? You know Toledo will play D and run you off the 3pt line. If sports betting was based on mathematical simulations and power ratings, we will all be rich by now.
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Buffalo against teams ranked 200 and above hasn't blown out a opponent by more than 20 pts except Navy. Can you say maybe perhaps they play down to there opponent? Will they really need to clamp down on D? You know Toledo will play D and run you off the 3pt line. If sports betting was based on mathematical simulations and power ratings, we will all be rich by now.
what scares me a little is the fact that toledo lost by 6 to bowling green..and buffalo lost to the same bowling green team by 3 in ot...anyone have any insight on that?
Comparing like opponents is one of the worst ways to cap a CBB game.
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Quote Originally Posted by EVANTORR:
what scares me a little is the fact that toledo lost by 6 to bowling green..and buffalo lost to the same bowling green team by 3 in ot...anyone have any insight on that?
Comparing like opponents is one of the worst ways to cap a CBB game.
I agree but it is def something to consider imo. Its a good baramoter...shit if i was on toledo id say to myself well we almost beat bowling green and they beat buffalo...so
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I agree but it is def something to consider imo. Its a good baramoter...shit if i was on toledo id say to myself well we almost beat bowling green and they beat buffalo...so
Buffalo against teams ranked 200 and above hasn't blown out a opponent by more than 20 pts except Navy. Can you say maybe perhaps they play down to there opponent? Will they really need to clamp down on D? You know Toledo will play D and run you off the 3pt line. If sports betting was based on mathematical simulations and power ratings, we will all be rich by now.
Toledo is the worst opponent Buffalo has played this year by 30+ spots..... Toledo is statistically one of the worst 15 teams in the whole country.
"You know Toledo will play D"
Oh really? HOW do you know this? There Defensive Efficiency #'s have been incredibly bad.... They have given up 1 point per possession or more in all but 5 games... 8 games they have given up 1.10 points per possession or more... What makes you possibly think that they will stop one of the better offensive teams in the MAC? Kent State had an OE of 1.08 against them and Buffalo is 60 spots better then them.
"If sports betting was based on mathematical simulations and power ratings, we will all be rich by now. "
Apparently not.. Not if you think Toledo, the 325th ranked defense in the country, will "clamp down on D".... You know very little about power rankings and statistics.
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Quote Originally Posted by primetimeblitz:
Buffalo against teams ranked 200 and above hasn't blown out a opponent by more than 20 pts except Navy. Can you say maybe perhaps they play down to there opponent? Will they really need to clamp down on D? You know Toledo will play D and run you off the 3pt line. If sports betting was based on mathematical simulations and power ratings, we will all be rich by now.
Toledo is the worst opponent Buffalo has played this year by 30+ spots..... Toledo is statistically one of the worst 15 teams in the whole country.
"You know Toledo will play D"
Oh really? HOW do you know this? There Defensive Efficiency #'s have been incredibly bad.... They have given up 1 point per possession or more in all but 5 games... 8 games they have given up 1.10 points per possession or more... What makes you possibly think that they will stop one of the better offensive teams in the MAC? Kent State had an OE of 1.08 against them and Buffalo is 60 spots better then them.
"If sports betting was based on mathematical simulations and power ratings, we will all be rich by now. "
Apparently not.. Not if you think Toledo, the 325th ranked defense in the country, will "clamp down on D".... You know very little about power rankings and statistics.
yeah like the other day when everrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrybody loved Towson at HOME getting ~+16 points against George Mason and GM blew them away by 30+ (this was after the game was postponed a day due to storms).
when you take ANY amount of points and you're betting on a bad team you're just hoping and praying...don't get me wrong that can be fun too
Towson was at George Mason. Towson is the worst coached team in Div 1. Pat Kennedy won't make it through the year.
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Quote Originally Posted by DannySchayes:
yeah like the other day when everrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrybody loved Towson at HOME getting ~+16 points against George Mason and GM blew them away by 30+ (this was after the game was postponed a day due to storms).
when you take ANY amount of points and you're betting on a bad team you're just hoping and praying...don't get me wrong that can be fun too
Towson was at George Mason. Towson is the worst coached team in Div 1. Pat Kennedy won't make it through the year.
Good luck on your pick. I hate to bet on bad teams. It seems once the pattern is set of being beaten badly once they fall behind by double digits they seem to pack it in with this 'here we go again' mentality. I don't know if it's fair to include Toledo in this generalization, just my thoughts. I'll be sitting this one out, but will be pulling for you.
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Good luck on your pick. I hate to bet on bad teams. It seems once the pattern is set of being beaten badly once they fall behind by double digits they seem to pack it in with this 'here we go again' mentality. I don't know if it's fair to include Toledo in this generalization, just my thoughts. I'll be sitting this one out, but will be pulling for you.
Toledo is the worst opponent Buffalo has played this year by 30+ spots..... Toledo is statistically one of the worst 15 teams in the whole country.
"You know Toledo will play D"
Oh really? HOW do you know this? There Defensive Efficiency #'s have been incredibly bad.... They have given up 1 point per possession or more in all but 5 games... 8 games they have given up 1.10 points per possession or more... What makes you possibly think that they will stop one of the better offensive teams in the MAC? Kent State had an OE of 1.08 against them and Buffalo is 60 spots better then them.
"If sports betting was based on mathematical simulations and power ratings, we will all be rich by now. "
Apparently not.. Not if you think Toledo, the 325th ranked defense in the country, will "clamp down on D".... You know very little about power rankings and statistics.
They are a different team in there last five games. Check the stats and there swagger is on point. 2 min to tipoff.
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Quote Originally Posted by BrianLaverty:
Toledo is the worst opponent Buffalo has played this year by 30+ spots..... Toledo is statistically one of the worst 15 teams in the whole country.
"You know Toledo will play D"
Oh really? HOW do you know this? There Defensive Efficiency #'s have been incredibly bad.... They have given up 1 point per possession or more in all but 5 games... 8 games they have given up 1.10 points per possession or more... What makes you possibly think that they will stop one of the better offensive teams in the MAC? Kent State had an OE of 1.08 against them and Buffalo is 60 spots better then them.
"If sports betting was based on mathematical simulations and power ratings, we will all be rich by now. "
Apparently not.. Not if you think Toledo, the 325th ranked defense in the country, will "clamp down on D".... You know very little about power rankings and statistics.
They are a different team in there last five games. Check the stats and there swagger is on point. 2 min to tipoff.
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