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    UNC v Duke - largest wager of the year for me so far

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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 9:35 AM ET #1

    Duke 1H +3.5 and ML

    I have followed this game closely for years and I think I have a feel for how this one plays out. Duke off that loss to Miami will come out hot and UNC won't be ready. Duke 43 UNC 38 at half.... but I think UNC wins it in a close game, so I'll be on UNC 2H for sure

    Final UNC 83 Duke 81
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    Duke 1H +3.5 and ML

    I have followed this game closely for years and I think I have a feel for how this one plays out. Duke off that loss to Miami will come out hot and UNC won't be ready. Duke 43 UNC 38 at half.... but I think UNC wins it in a close game, so I'll be on UNC 2H for sure

    Final UNC 83 Duke 81
     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 9:42 AM ET #2

    This is the worst duke team I have seen since they lost to VCU in the 1st round of the tourney.  And this defense may be the worst i have ever seen out of a Coach K team.  I don't see it.  I know the trends on this one but these games have gotten out of hand as of late where the better team usually ends up with a double digit win. 

    Seth Curry is a defensive liability as is Rivers.  Who is going to guard barnes on the perimeter?  Word is Barnes is going to guard Rivers tonight...if that happens, where is offense coming from?

     

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    This is the worst duke team I have seen since they lost to VCU in the 1st round of the tourney.  And this defense may be the worst i have ever seen out of a Coach K team.  I don't see it.  I know the trends on this one but these games have gotten out of hand as of late where the better team usually ends up with a double digit win. 

    Seth Curry is a defensive liability as is Rivers.  Who is going to guard barnes on the perimeter?  Word is Barnes is going to guard Rivers tonight...if that happens, where is offense coming from?

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 9:51 AM ET #3

    UNC wins by double digits tonight
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    UNC wins by double digits tonight
     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 10:07 AM ET #4

    I like the OVER despite the line moving.

    not saying UNC loses tonight, just think that Duke comes out strong 1H and covers the 3.5
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    I like the OVER despite the line moving.

    not saying UNC loses tonight, just think that Duke comes out strong 1H and covers the 3.5
     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 10:43 AM ET #5

    Duke has won 4 of the last 5 vs UNC and Duke has beaten UNC in Chapel Hill when the first matchup is at UNC every time since 1998. duKe will get it done tonight.  Plumlee's play their ass off and neutrilize Henson and Zeller. Barnes isnt 100% with ankle issue. Marshall is the key to UNC's offense so that is exactly what Duke will attack and get him into foul trouble.
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    Duke has won 4 of the last 5 vs UNC and Duke has beaten UNC in Chapel Hill when the first matchup is at UNC every time since 1998. duKe will get it done tonight.  Plumlee's play their ass off and neutrilize Henson and Zeller. Barnes isnt 100% with ankle issue. Marshall is the key to UNC's offense so that is exactly what Duke will attack and get him into foul trouble.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 10:46 AM ET #6

    I don't trust Marshall tonight. not sure why but I think he will struggle

    K will have these guys ready to go tonight I promise you.

    let's face it... neither defense is very good. they hung a 160.5 on it. outside of the Summit league, I haven't seen many totals above 160.


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    I don't trust Marshall tonight. not sure why but I think he will struggle

    K will have these guys ready to go tonight I promise you.

    let's face it... neither defense is very good. they hung a 160.5 on it. outside of the Summit league, I haven't seen many totals above 160.


     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 11:11 AM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by fastlane22:

    Duke has won 4 of the last 5 vs UNC and Duke has beaten UNC in Chapel Hill when the first matchup is at UNC every time since 1998. duKe will get it done tonight.  Plumlee's play their ass off and neutrilize Henson and Zeller. Barnes isnt 100% with ankle issue. Marshall is the key to UNC's offense so that is exactly what Duke will attack and get him into foul trouble.


    Yes those facts were relevant in the past. Currently i don't know if you have been watching, but this duke team is young, and extremely weaker than past duke teams. Heading to a hostile enviroment like chapel hill, i can't see the dukies rising up to the challange not to mention, UNC is just a better team overall. I had the line at 8-8.5 when i was 6 my eyes came out my head. Duke has been terible on the road this year. Please dont compare the plumlee to Zeller. He will eat him. In any case BOL tonight. Im going large on UNC, and its not cuz i don't like duke, i just don't think they are that good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fastlane22:

    Duke has won 4 of the last 5 vs UNC and Duke has beaten UNC in Chapel Hill when the first matchup is at UNC every time since 1998. duKe will get it done tonight.  Plumlee's play their ass off and neutrilize Henson and Zeller. Barnes isnt 100% with ankle issue. Marshall is the key to UNC's offense so that is exactly what Duke will attack and get him into foul trouble.


    Yes those facts were relevant in the past. Currently i don't know if you have been watching, but this duke team is young, and extremely weaker than past duke teams. Heading to a hostile enviroment like chapel hill, i can't see the dukies rising up to the challange not to mention, UNC is just a better team overall. I had the line at 8-8.5 when i was 6 my eyes came out my head. Duke has been terible on the road this year. Please dont compare the plumlee to Zeller. He will eat him. In any case BOL tonight. Im going large on UNC, and its not cuz i don't like duke, i just don't think they are that good.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 11:12 AM ET #8

    *saw not was.
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    *saw not was.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 11:29 AM ET #9

    I would not go too big here 
    Dukes ATS record is not impressive
    UNC will win this they are tough at home
    I am not good at first half betting and hope you are right
    Good luck 1919
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    I would not go too big here 
    Dukes ATS record is not impressive
    UNC will win this they are tough at home
    I am not good at first half betting and hope you are right
    Good luck 1919
     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 11:31 AM ET #10

    overrated Duke team will get destroyed 2nite
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    overrated Duke team will get destroyed 2nite
     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 11:42 AM ET #11

    Everyone on Covers is on UNC by double digits. 
    Line has moved down 1 point. 
    Let the bloodbath commence. 

    (If I had to bet, as a Duke fan, I'd pick UNC, but there's no way I'm taking UNC with such a huge consensus and the line continues to move the other way. And yes, Duke is terrible, it's been a rough year as a fan sigh.)
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    Everyone on Covers is on UNC by double digits. 
    Line has moved down 1 point. 
    Let the bloodbath commence. 

    (If I had to bet, as a Duke fan, I'd pick UNC, but there's no way I'm taking UNC with such a huge consensus and the line continues to move the other way. And yes, Duke is terrible, it's been a rough year as a fan sigh.)
     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 12:06 PM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by hagrin:

    Everyone on Covers is on UNC by double digits. 
    Line has moved down 1 point. 
    Let the bloodbath commence. 

    (If I had to bet, as a Duke fan, I'd pick UNC, but there's no way I'm taking UNC with such a huge consensus and the line continues to move the other way. And yes, Duke is terrible, it's been a rough year as a fan sigh.)


    covers consensus does not = public consensus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hagrin:

    Everyone on Covers is on UNC by double digits. 
    Line has moved down 1 point. 
    Let the bloodbath commence. 

    (If I had to bet, as a Duke fan, I'd pick UNC, but there's no way I'm taking UNC with such a huge consensus and the line continues to move the other way. And yes, Duke is terrible, it's been a rough year as a fan sigh.)


    covers consensus does not = public consensus.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 12:52 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by hagrin:

    Everyone on Covers is on UNC by double digits. 
    Line has moved down 1 point. 
    Let the bloodbath commence. 

    (If I had to bet, as a Duke fan, I'd pick UNC, but there's no way I'm taking UNC with such a huge consensus and the line continues to move the other way. And yes, Duke is terrible, it's been a rough year as a fan sigh.)

    Looking at consensus page i see 800 picks total on this game and 48% duke and 52% unc.  So that isn't anywhere near the danger zones that I look for when I'm feeling like a pick is too square.  Yeah, I think this game is getting tee'd up on covers because guys thought line would be 8 or higher as several here (including you) have been looking for good spots to fade duke as they don't pass the eye test as a top 10 team. 

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by hagrin:

    Everyone on Covers is on UNC by double digits. 
    Line has moved down 1 point. 
    Let the bloodbath commence. 

    (If I had to bet, as a Duke fan, I'd pick UNC, but there's no way I'm taking UNC with such a huge consensus and the line continues to move the other way. And yes, Duke is terrible, it's been a rough year as a fan sigh.)

    Looking at consensus page i see 800 picks total on this game and 48% duke and 52% unc.  So that isn't anywhere near the danger zones that I look for when I'm feeling like a pick is too square.  Yeah, I think this game is getting tee'd up on covers because guys thought line would be 8 or higher as several here (including you) have been looking for good spots to fade duke as they don't pass the eye test as a top 10 team. 

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 12:59 PM ET #14

    1919, is the purpose of your photo to show that ass or a midget iwth an ass I cant tell 
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    1919, is the purpose of your photo to show that ass or a midget iwth an ass I cant tell 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 1:09 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by fastlane22:

    Duke has won 4 of the last 5 vs UNC and Duke has beaten UNC in Chapel Hill when the first matchup is at UNC every time since 1998. duKe will get it done tonight.  Plumlee's play their ass off and neutrilize Henson and Zeller. Barnes isnt 100% with ankle issue. Marshall is the key to UNC's offense so that is exactly what Duke will attack and get him into foul trouble.

     

     

    OMG this is rich. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fastlane22:

    Duke has won 4 of the last 5 vs UNC and Duke has beaten UNC in Chapel Hill when the first matchup is at UNC every time since 1998. duKe will get it done tonight.  Plumlee's play their ass off and neutrilize Henson and Zeller. Barnes isnt 100% with ankle issue. Marshall is the key to UNC's offense so that is exactly what Duke will attack and get him into foul trouble.

     

     

    OMG this is rich. Thanks!

     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 1:32 PM ET #16

    u guys are all idiots. 

    trends, past results, situational angles, etc... throw them all out the window in these games. home court barely matters. 

    it comes down to matchups. which coach is going to maximize strengths and minimize weaknesses better for 2 hours. 

    UNC comes and goes with it's PG. Duke knows this and will try it's best to cut the head off the monster. They were successful last year in the ACC Champ. If they can do that again, Duke wins. If they can't, they lose and probably by DD. 

    Any combination of Rivers, Curry, Thornton, Dawkins, Cook has not consistently shut down opposing teams' lead guard(s) yet this season. 

    However, they have shown signs of doing it. Coach K will have a scheme (that will probably involve trapping Kendall before midcourt) to shut down UNC's PG and win this game. 
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    u guys are all idiots. 

    trends, past results, situational angles, etc... throw them all out the window in these games. home court barely matters. 

    it comes down to matchups. which coach is going to maximize strengths and minimize weaknesses better for 2 hours. 

    UNC comes and goes with it's PG. Duke knows this and will try it's best to cut the head off the monster. They were successful last year in the ACC Champ. If they can do that again, Duke wins. If they can't, they lose and probably by DD. 

    Any combination of Rivers, Curry, Thornton, Dawkins, Cook has not consistently shut down opposing teams' lead guard(s) yet this season. 

    However, they have shown signs of doing it. Coach K will have a scheme (that will probably involve trapping Kendall before midcourt) to shut down UNC's PG and win this game. 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 1:46 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaCats:

    u guys are all idiots. 

    trends, past results, situational angles, etc... throw them all out the window in these games. home court barely matters. 

    it comes down to matchups. which coach is going to maximize strengths and minimize weaknesses better for 2 hours. 

    UNC comes and goes with it's PG. Duke knows this and will try it's best to cut the head off the monster. They were successful last year in the ACC Champ. If they can do that again, Duke wins. If they can't, they lose and probably by DD. 

    Any combination of Rivers, Curry, Thornton, Dawkins, Cook has not consistently shut down opposing teams' lead guard(s) yet this season. 

    However, they have shown signs of doing it. Coach K will have a scheme (that will probably involve trapping Kendall before midcourt) to shut down UNC's PG and win this game. 

    Good Comment Zona I totally agree 
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaCats:

    u guys are all idiots. 

    trends, past results, situational angles, etc... throw them all out the window in these games. home court barely matters. 

    it comes down to matchups. which coach is going to maximize strengths and minimize weaknesses better for 2 hours. 

    UNC comes and goes with it's PG. Duke knows this and will try it's best to cut the head off the monster. They were successful last year in the ACC Champ. If they can do that again, Duke wins. If they can't, they lose and probably by DD. 

    Any combination of Rivers, Curry, Thornton, Dawkins, Cook has not consistently shut down opposing teams' lead guard(s) yet this season. 

    However, they have shown signs of doing it. Coach K will have a scheme (that will probably involve trapping Kendall before midcourt) to shut down UNC's PG and win this game. 

    Good Comment Zona I totally agree 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 1:46 PM ET #18

    GL 1919 

    Go Duke!
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    GL 1919 

    Go Duke!
     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 2:06 PM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaCats:

    u guys are all idiots. 

    trends, past results, situational angles, etc... throw them all out the window in these games. home court barely matters. 

    it comes down to matchups. which coach is going to maximize strengths and minimize weaknesses better for 2 hours. 

    UNC comes and goes with it's PG. Duke knows this and will try it's best to cut the head off the monster. They were successful last year in the ACC Champ. If they can do that again, Duke wins. If they can't, they lose and probably by DD. 

    Any combination of Rivers, Curry, Thornton, Dawkins, Cook has not consistently shut down opposing teams' lead guard(s) yet this season. 

    However, they have shown signs of doing it. Coach K will have a scheme (that will probably involve trapping Kendall before midcourt) to shut down UNC's PG and win this game. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaCats:

    u guys are all idiots. 

    trends, past results, situational angles, etc... throw them all out the window in these games. home court barely matters. 

    it comes down to matchups. which coach is going to maximize strengths and minimize weaknesses better for 2 hours. 

    UNC comes and goes with it's PG. Duke knows this and will try it's best to cut the head off the monster. They were successful last year in the ACC Champ. If they can do that again, Duke wins. If they can't, they lose and probably by DD. 

    Any combination of Rivers, Curry, Thornton, Dawkins, Cook has not consistently shut down opposing teams' lead guard(s) yet this season. 

    However, they have shown signs of doing it. Coach K will have a scheme (that will probably involve trapping Kendall before midcourt) to shut down UNC's PG and win this game. 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 2:21 PM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by 1919:

    I don't trust Marshall tonight. not sure why but I think he will struggle

    K will have these guys ready to go tonight I promise you.

    let's face it... neither defense is very good. they hung a 160.5 on it. outside of the Summit league, I haven't seen many totals above 160.


    You need to look at some of UNC's defensive stats.  They are #1 defensive rebounds, #1 in least fouls commited, #7 Opponent shooting efficiency, #7 in blocks. 

     The only mediocre spot is defending the 3 where they are #64th in OPP % and #311/#341 in 3ptm/3pta.    So like was mentioned above, that's probably the only soft spot for Duke.  

    They give up decent amount of points because of the sheer volume of possessions in their games, but they are in fact a very good defensive team.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1919:

    I don't trust Marshall tonight. not sure why but I think he will struggle

    K will have these guys ready to go tonight I promise you.

    let's face it... neither defense is very good. they hung a 160.5 on it. outside of the Summit league, I haven't seen many totals above 160.


    You need to look at some of UNC's defensive stats.  They are #1 defensive rebounds, #1 in least fouls commited, #7 Opponent shooting efficiency, #7 in blocks. 

     The only mediocre spot is defending the 3 where they are #64th in OPP % and #311/#341 in 3ptm/3pta.    So like was mentioned above, that's probably the only soft spot for Duke.  

    They give up decent amount of points because of the sheer volume of possessions in their games, but they are in fact a very good defensive team.  
     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 2:33 PM ET #21

    Duke Blue Devils got Bami as their center

    what is his name one more time Plumbee
    Fucking duke couldn't deal with Miami Thugs at home and now you expect them to go to Carolina and win ???


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    Duke Blue Devils got Bami as their center

    what is his name one more time Plumbee
    Fucking duke couldn't deal with Miami Thugs at home and now you expect them to go to Carolina and win ???


     
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    you'll be sorry
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    you'll be sorry
     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 3:44 PM ET #24

    give me Duke +6 against any team in the country.......they can get hot from the outside faster than any team in the nation.
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    give me Duke +6 against any team in the country.......they can get hot from the outside faster than any team in the nation.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaCats:

    u guys are all idiots. 

    trends, past results, situational angles, etc... throw them all out the window in these games. home court barely matters. 

    it comes down to matchups. which coach is going to maximize strengths and minimize weaknesses better for 2 hours. 

    UNC comes and goes with it's PG. Duke knows this and will try it's best to cut the head off the monster. They were successful last year in the ACC Champ. If they can do that again, Duke wins. If they can't, they lose and probably by DD. 

    Any combination of Rivers, Curry, Thornton, Dawkins, Cook has not consistently shut down opposing teams' lead guard(s) yet this season. 

    However, they have shown signs of doing it. Coach K will have a scheme (that will probably involve trapping Kendall before midcourt) to shut down UNC's PG and win this game. 

     

    A homers take...Disagree with a few things here, agree on one thing...

    Throw out that ACC win. It's quoted and documented that Williams doesnt really care about the ACC tourney...Williams HATES it. No motivation to win it outta the players and coach. The only ones who care are the fans...

    I agree with the fact that K and the guards will try to limit Marshall's effectiveness in advancing the ball at the pace that he thrives in. However, its going to be tough. Even the bigs run the floor as well as Marshall. It just isnt Duke's style of play to try Big 10 hoops here imo...Duke runs. It's what they do. We shall see, but I dont see opps for trapping unless they bring two back after every made Duke basket. This is just so risky with Barnes on the floor. You are going to have to have defenders back ready to neutralize him (not to mention the trees down low)...

    Totally disagree with home court. If you've ever been to a UNC/Duke game you would know. Its gonna be a scene. This Duke team doesent have the chemistry of a team with the likes of Wojo, J Williams, etc...They are an easy flustered bunch. We've already seen Duke fall face down in front of a hostile crowd in Columbus...Home court is a huge factor

    As for throwing out situations and basing it on matchups is just silly. This team just hates Duke more than past UNC teams. Hell, past UNC teams used to hang with Duke players. Barnes loathes Duke, and they loathe him after the recruitment shananigans. Same with Henson. Zeller cant stand the cheap physical play of the Plum boys. He's gonna look to exploit that and get them in foul trouble. He can run circles around those donks. Bottom line, UNC rises to its competition. Blew out rival NCSU when everyone predicted a close game and took Kentucky to the absolute wire in a heavily contested match-up at Rupp...

    As for matchups its a mismatch. Down low supremacy wins this. Throw in Barnes and how he usually rises to the occasion in big time games. Marshall is a floor general, who I agree that if "shut down" UNC could be in serious trouble...

    The main factor UNC wins this and covers is defense. The one thing that no one mentions when talking about the Heels are that they are leading the ACC (in league games) in defense holding the opp to 40.5 ppg in league play...Since the VT game UNC has allowed conference opponents to shoot 38.1 percent (102-of-268) from the floor and 31.8 percent (28-of-88) from 3 range...If Duke shoot poorly, they can trap.

    Heels smell blood. They have the talent level to run them outta the gym. Just my humble opinion, we shall see...

    Just my $00.2

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaCats:

    u guys are all idiots. 

    trends, past results, situational angles, etc... throw them all out the window in these games. home court barely matters. 

    it comes down to matchups. which coach is going to maximize strengths and minimize weaknesses better for 2 hours. 

    UNC comes and goes with it's PG. Duke knows this and will try it's best to cut the head off the monster. They were successful last year in the ACC Champ. If they can do that again, Duke wins. If they can't, they lose and probably by DD. 

    Any combination of Rivers, Curry, Thornton, Dawkins, Cook has not consistently shut down opposing teams' lead guard(s) yet this season. 

    However, they have shown signs of doing it. Coach K will have a scheme (that will probably involve trapping Kendall before midcourt) to shut down UNC's PG and win this game. 

     

    A homers take...Disagree with a few things here, agree on one thing...

    Throw out that ACC win. It's quoted and documented that Williams doesnt really care about the ACC tourney...Williams HATES it. No motivation to win it outta the players and coach. The only ones who care are the fans...

    I agree with the fact that K and the guards will try to limit Marshall's effectiveness in advancing the ball at the pace that he thrives in. However, its going to be tough. Even the bigs run the floor as well as Marshall. It just isnt Duke's style of play to try Big 10 hoops here imo...Duke runs. It's what they do. We shall see, but I dont see opps for trapping unless they bring two back after every made Duke basket. This is just so risky with Barnes on the floor. You are going to have to have defenders back ready to neutralize him (not to mention the trees down low)...

    Totally disagree with home court. If you've ever been to a UNC/Duke game you would know. Its gonna be a scene. This Duke team doesent have the chemistry of a team with the likes of Wojo, J Williams, etc...They are an easy flustered bunch. We've already seen Duke fall face down in front of a hostile crowd in Columbus...Home court is a huge factor

    As for throwing out situations and basing it on matchups is just silly. This team just hates Duke more than past UNC teams. Hell, past UNC teams used to hang with Duke players. Barnes loathes Duke, and they loathe him after the recruitment shananigans. Same with Henson. Zeller cant stand the cheap physical play of the Plum boys. He's gonna look to exploit that and get them in foul trouble. He can run circles around those donks. Bottom line, UNC rises to its competition. Blew out rival NCSU when everyone predicted a close game and took Kentucky to the absolute wire in a heavily contested match-up at Rupp...

    As for matchups its a mismatch. Down low supremacy wins this. Throw in Barnes and how he usually rises to the occasion in big time games. Marshall is a floor general, who I agree that if "shut down" UNC could be in serious trouble...

    The main factor UNC wins this and covers is defense. The one thing that no one mentions when talking about the Heels are that they are leading the ACC (in league games) in defense holding the opp to 40.5 ppg in league play...Since the VT game UNC has allowed conference opponents to shoot 38.1 percent (102-of-268) from the floor and 31.8 percent (28-of-88) from 3 range...If Duke shoot poorly, they can trap.

    Heels smell blood. They have the talent level to run them outta the gym. Just my humble opinion, we shall see...

    Just my $00.2

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