If it was any other College in the USA I would never lay 17 on the road against a team that is a pretty good home dog. BUT we are talking about future soldiers in the military. These guys might have came out flat against Rice but after losing in a heart breaker to Michigan these guys are are angry and motivated in my opinion. Last year they blew out a good Buffalo team by 30 in an almost identical situation.
Good Luck!
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If it was any other College in the USA I would never lay 17 on the road against a team that is a pretty good home dog. BUT we are talking about future soldiers in the military. These guys might have came out flat against Rice but after losing in a heart breaker to Michigan these guys are are angry and motivated in my opinion. Last year they blew out a good Buffalo team by 30 in an almost identical situation.
I am guessing you did not see the Army coach in the locker room... He was going nuts... The Cadets are ALWAYS fired up, and this is some type of Army holiday week there. They should easily cover this.
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I am guessing you did not see the Army coach in the locker room... He was going nuts... The Cadets are ALWAYS fired up, and this is some type of Army holiday week there. They should easily cover this.
Rice game to me is an anomaly because they had all summer to prepare for the triple option. Proven history that teams struggle with it week to week. Unless you have an elite DL or LBs (UTSA does not have those).
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I grabbed it at -16.5, love this spot for Army.
Rice game to me is an anomaly because they had all summer to prepare for the triple option. Proven history that teams struggle with it week to week. Unless you have an elite DL or LBs (UTSA does not have those).
Rice game to me is an anomaly because they had all summer to prepare for the triple option. Proven history that teams struggle with it week to week. Unless you have an elite DL or LBs (UTSA does not have those).
Not arguing but how can you say you live this “spot” for Army? Going on the road after a huge, debilitating loss is typically the worse spot possible across the football betting world. Not saying they won’t cover but I can’t imagine a worse “spot,” so just want your opinion as to why you think differently? GL.
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Quote Originally Posted by GamblinDAWG:
I grabbed it at -16.5, love this spot for Army.
Rice game to me is an anomaly because they had all summer to prepare for the triple option. Proven history that teams struggle with it week to week. Unless you have an elite DL or LBs (UTSA does not have those).
Not arguing but how can you say you live this “spot” for Army? Going on the road after a huge, debilitating loss is typically the worse spot possible across the football betting world. Not saying they won’t cover but I can’t imagine a worse “spot,” so just want your opinion as to why you think differently? GL.
Not arguing but how can you say you live this “spot” for Army? Going on the road after a huge, debilitating loss is typically the worse spot possible across the football betting world. Not saying they won’t cover but I can’t imagine a worse “spot,” so just want your opinion as to why you think differently? GL.
Put yourself in the shoes of a collegiate athlete. I was once one, so I can say, that after a big loss like that, a few factors. One, you just went toe to toe with MICHIGAN. Two, you are ARMY, and you never quit under any circumstance or lay down. Three, is how you react to the people in school with you. Are they in the classes with you saying good job? Or you will get them next time? Good job usually puts you in a state of complacency. Get them next time, makes you go to practice and do your best to get better.
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Quote Originally Posted by incognegro:
Not arguing but how can you say you live this “spot” for Army? Going on the road after a huge, debilitating loss is typically the worse spot possible across the football betting world. Not saying they won’t cover but I can’t imagine a worse “spot,” so just want your opinion as to why you think differently? GL.
Put yourself in the shoes of a collegiate athlete. I was once one, so I can say, that after a big loss like that, a few factors. One, you just went toe to toe with MICHIGAN. Two, you are ARMY, and you never quit under any circumstance or lay down. Three, is how you react to the people in school with you. Are they in the classes with you saying good job? Or you will get them next time? Good job usually puts you in a state of complacency. Get them next time, makes you go to practice and do your best to get better.
Army in back to back road games after a huge effort on the road? They play slow and burn clock. They go for it on 4th down. Their FG kicker lol. They most certainly could cover but they are going to need more than one long TD run.
Army laying this many doesn't make any sense to me. Last week was a good wager this is a bookie bet in my opinion.
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Army in back to back road games after a huge effort on the road? They play slow and burn clock. They go for it on 4th down. Their FG kicker lol. They most certainly could cover but they are going to need more than one long TD run.
Army laying this many doesn't make any sense to me. Last week was a good wager this is a bookie bet in my opinion.
This game has been designated "Military Day" by UTSA...There will be 10K Army and Air Force enlisted...and I bet they will be rooting for Army...I don't think UTSA gets much local fan support...Its like a quasi home game in a fast domed stadium...There may not be a cloud of dust, but I forecast a lot of break downs on D by UTSA, and a lot of scampers to the end zone...
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This game has been designated "Military Day" by UTSA...There will be 10K Army and Air Force enlisted...and I bet they will be rooting for Army...I don't think UTSA gets much local fan support...Its like a quasi home game in a fast domed stadium...There may not be a cloud of dust, but I forecast a lot of break downs on D by UTSA, and a lot of scampers to the end zone...
I just can't pull trigger on Army after they could only beat Rice by a TD in week 1.
that performance against Rice had Michigan lookahead written all over it...even at the service academies, they are human...now their real season starts, and unfortunately for the road runners, its not going to be pretty for the home team...
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Quote Originally Posted by mikeru3:
I just can't pull trigger on Army after they could only beat Rice by a TD in week 1.
that performance against Rice had Michigan lookahead written all over it...even at the service academies, they are human...now their real season starts, and unfortunately for the road runners, its not going to be pretty for the home team...
Army in back to back road games after a huge effort on the road? They play slow and burn clock. They go for it on 4th down. Their FG kicker lol. They most certainly could cover but they are going to need more than one long TD run. Army laying this many doesn't make any sense to me. Last week was a good wager this is a bookie bet in my opinion.
We'll see...
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Quote Originally Posted by spottie2935:
Army in back to back road games after a huge effort on the road? They play slow and burn clock. They go for it on 4th down. Their FG kicker lol. They most certainly could cover but they are going to need more than one long TD run. Army laying this many doesn't make any sense to me. Last week was a good wager this is a bookie bet in my opinion.
look what Army did to Houston in the bowl game in December...that type of MOV may happen again this week...It does not matter that UTSA knows that Army won't pass...It does not matter if they know the play...Army will get 3 to 4 yards on almost every play...I think this line should be 21+...the lookahead marginal performance against Rice is keeping it down...so in my opinion, there is value on Army at this number...
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look what Army did to Houston in the bowl game in December...that type of MOV may happen again this week...It does not matter that UTSA knows that Army won't pass...It does not matter if they know the play...Army will get 3 to 4 yards on almost every play...I think this line should be 21+...the lookahead marginal performance against Rice is keeping it down...so in my opinion, there is value on Army at this number...
Tactical FB can be strange. I can't see the cadets running up the score, or trying to score late if they're only up 10-14. They don't give a sh/t abt the spread. If they cover that big number, they need to have that lead early and never look back.
they do when they were a preseason top 25 team, after enduring years of terrible records pre monken...I predict 14 to 0 cadets by the end of the 1st quarter...
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Quote Originally Posted by Circus_Bettor:
Tactical FB can be strange. I can't see the cadets running up the score, or trying to score late if they're only up 10-14. They don't give a sh/t abt the spread. If they cover that big number, they need to have that lead early and never look back.
they do when they were a preseason top 25 team, after enduring years of terrible records pre monken...I predict 14 to 0 cadets by the end of the 1st quarter...
I like army too. Think UTSA will not have offense on the field much with Army going for it and converting on alot of 4th down and short situations. This Army team will be ready to play and win in style
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I like army too. Think UTSA will not have offense on the field much with Army going for it and converting on alot of 4th down and short situations. This Army team will be ready to play and win in style
Michigan is not good, and played down to army's level. Army's offense is designed to get 3.5 yards per play. Hangover from losing in OT second year in a row. I think this is a trap bet. UTSA is worse than rice, it is still a road game for army...I am thinking like a 17-3 score, maybe a backdoor cover. Under may be the play.
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Michigan is not good, and played down to army's level. Army's offense is designed to get 3.5 yards per play. Hangover from losing in OT second year in a row. I think this is a trap bet. UTSA is worse than rice, it is still a road game for army...I am thinking like a 17-3 score, maybe a backdoor cover. Under may be the play.
Last week @ Baylor UTSA had to face a balanced run and pass team, AWAY from home getting +25.Baylor had 173 passing yards and 3 Passing TD's. This Army team is not balanced. Most likely they will not be scoring through the Air. Army had 17 first downs in week one and 15 last week Baylor had 25 first downs.
6 problems for Army
This is not a big time bowl game or a huge game in a 110,000 Stadium against a big name school.
The clock is going to be running all game long.
They are laying -17 in a back to back road game situation. Historically this has had a terrible ROI in army games. I could post a link but this site doesnt allow this anymore.
UTSA doesn't have to play both run and pass on defense.
UTSA last week+25 on the road, and and this week +17 at home basically is the same line. We all are going to find out where the line value was after the game. No matter if bad calls or injuries take place.
Is Army overrated after the outstanding season they had in 2018? Maybe... stay tuned
Problems for UTSA
Army is the better team no question about it.
UTSA has to make the adjustments after getting thrashed last week.
Someone mentioned they have never faced the Triple option.
4th Quarter after defending Army's run game all day. Do they break down?
Can UTSA keep it close or Can they get some scores to keep the spread in question all game?
I like the points but its only one game. Good luck everyone
Nothing is ever in the bank until it is in the bank
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Last week @ Baylor UTSA had to face a balanced run and pass team, AWAY from home getting +25.Baylor had 173 passing yards and 3 Passing TD's. This Army team is not balanced. Most likely they will not be scoring through the Air. Army had 17 first downs in week one and 15 last week Baylor had 25 first downs.
6 problems for Army
This is not a big time bowl game or a huge game in a 110,000 Stadium against a big name school.
The clock is going to be running all game long.
They are laying -17 in a back to back road game situation. Historically this has had a terrible ROI in army games. I could post a link but this site doesnt allow this anymore.
UTSA doesn't have to play both run and pass on defense.
UTSA last week+25 on the road, and and this week +17 at home basically is the same line. We all are going to find out where the line value was after the game. No matter if bad calls or injuries take place.
Is Army overrated after the outstanding season they had in 2018? Maybe... stay tuned
Problems for UTSA
Army is the better team no question about it.
UTSA has to make the adjustments after getting thrashed last week.
Someone mentioned they have never faced the Triple option.
4th Quarter after defending Army's run game all day. Do they break down?
Can UTSA keep it close or Can they get some scores to keep the spread in question all game?
I like the points but its only one game. Good luck everyone
Last week @ Baylor UTSA had to face a balanced run and pass team, AWAY from home getting +25.Baylor had 173 passing yards and 3 Passing TD's. This Army team is not balanced. Most likely they will not be scoring through the Air. Army had 17 first downs in week one and 15 last week Baylor had 25 first downs. 6 problems for Army This is not a big time bowl game or a huge game in a 110,000 Stadium against a big name school. The clock is going to be running all game long. They are laying -17 in a back to back road game situation. Historically this has had a terrible ROI in army games. I could post a link but this site doesnt allow this anymore. UTSA doesn't have to play both run and pass on defense. UTSA last week+25 on the road, and and this week +17 at home basically is the same line. We all are going to find out where the line value was after the game. No matter if bad calls or injuries take place. Is Army overrated after the outstanding season they had in 2018? Maybe... stay tuned Problems for UTSA Army is the better team no question about it. UTSA has to make the adjustments after getting thrashed last week. Someone mentioned they have never faced the Triple option. 4th Quarter after defending Army's run game all day. Do they break down? Can UTSA keep it close or Can they get some scores to keep the spread in question all game? I like the points but its only one game. Good luck everyone
According to NumberFire, Army has a 37.9% ROI compared to -47% for UTSA in this game. NumberFire analytics also list Army -17 at a 72.3% probability.
I'm not super into the analytics side of things, and really still pretty new at this in general. Triple option teams don't see to be as emotionally affected by things. Like robots...
I think Monken gets these guys to bounce back after that Michigan loss and prove a point against UTSA. Army will want to show they deserve some top 25 attention. Worse thing a coach can do is let a team beat you twice and the cadets don't let that happen here. Army 35 - 10
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Quote Originally Posted by spottie2935:
Last week @ Baylor UTSA had to face a balanced run and pass team, AWAY from home getting +25.Baylor had 173 passing yards and 3 Passing TD's. This Army team is not balanced. Most likely they will not be scoring through the Air. Army had 17 first downs in week one and 15 last week Baylor had 25 first downs. 6 problems for Army This is not a big time bowl game or a huge game in a 110,000 Stadium against a big name school. The clock is going to be running all game long. They are laying -17 in a back to back road game situation. Historically this has had a terrible ROI in army games. I could post a link but this site doesnt allow this anymore. UTSA doesn't have to play both run and pass on defense. UTSA last week+25 on the road, and and this week +17 at home basically is the same line. We all are going to find out where the line value was after the game. No matter if bad calls or injuries take place. Is Army overrated after the outstanding season they had in 2018? Maybe... stay tuned Problems for UTSA Army is the better team no question about it. UTSA has to make the adjustments after getting thrashed last week. Someone mentioned they have never faced the Triple option. 4th Quarter after defending Army's run game all day. Do they break down? Can UTSA keep it close or Can they get some scores to keep the spread in question all game? I like the points but its only one game. Good luck everyone
According to NumberFire, Army has a 37.9% ROI compared to -47% for UTSA in this game. NumberFire analytics also list Army -17 at a 72.3% probability.
I'm not super into the analytics side of things, and really still pretty new at this in general. Triple option teams don't see to be as emotionally affected by things. Like robots...
I think Monken gets these guys to bounce back after that Michigan loss and prove a point against UTSA. Army will want to show they deserve some top 25 attention. Worse thing a coach can do is let a team beat you twice and the cadets don't let that happen here. Army 35 - 10
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