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    James Madison @ East Carolina!!! This line has been off the board for WEEKS. Finally it's here!

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    scalabrine
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    Posted: Aug. 30, 2017 - 8:53 PM ET #1

    35-36


    The pick:

    ECU -1 over JMU

    This line opened up at JMU -4.5 but then disappeared. All the value is gone right? Wrong. We have been well compensated. 

    The reason is clear. And it's worth every point we give up:

    1. JMU suspended 6 players including their top WR and their top Tight End.

    The top 3 receivers from last year? Rashard Davis, Domo Taylor and Brandon Revenel. 

    ALL have graduated.

    That leaves Terrance Alls as the leader at WR and the top returner with 39 receptions and 575 yards.

    Now he's suspended for 4 games.

    Jonathan Kloosterman at TE is also suspended for two games. Although his number isn't called often (24 receptions) last year, when it is, he is TD machine as 7 of the 24 catches were for scores, their default go-to option in the red zone.

    Now he is gone too.

    2. The line

    It's -1 ECU on 5 Dimes but JMU has been favored for the overwhelming majority of time the line has been up. 

    The JMU coach is playing coy as clearly the players have gotten wind of it and don't want it to be a motivator:

    "James Madison, the defending FCS champion, is viewed as the favorite by some handicappers in its season-opener Saturday at East Carolina (6 p.m., ESPN3), an FBS member. The Pirates are projected as the fifth-place finisher in the six-team American Athletic Conference.

    “I don’t know how in the world we’d be favored in this ballgame,” said JMU coach Mike Houston. “You’re playing a team that has 85 scholarships. We have 63. They have a budget that dwarfs ours. The resources they have, it’s no comparison. So I don’t understand exactly how somebody would say we’re favored."

    Scottie Montgomery sounded somewhat perturbed about it in saying: "They are favored and it is what it is. I don't pay attention to it."

    For what it is, I like how the line, in favoring the red headed step-child in the FCS to the FBS, could provide outside psychological motivation to the players in the social media era.


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    35-36


    The pick:

    ECU -1 over JMU

    This line opened up at JMU -4.5 but then disappeared. All the value is gone right? Wrong. We have been well compensated. 

    The reason is clear. And it's worth every point we give up:

    1. JMU suspended 6 players including their top WR and their top Tight End.

    The top 3 receivers from last year? Rashard Davis, Domo Taylor and Brandon Revenel. 

    ALL have graduated.

    That leaves Terrance Alls as the leader at WR and the top returner with 39 receptions and 575 yards.

    Now he's suspended for 4 games.

    Jonathan Kloosterman at TE is also suspended for two games. Although his number isn't called often (24 receptions) last year, when it is, he is TD machine as 7 of the 24 catches were for scores, their default go-to option in the red zone.

    Now he is gone too.

    2. The line

    It's -1 ECU on 5 Dimes but JMU has been favored for the overwhelming majority of time the line has been up. 

    The JMU coach is playing coy as clearly the players have gotten wind of it and don't want it to be a motivator:

    "James Madison, the defending FCS champion, is viewed as the favorite by some handicappers in its season-opener Saturday at East Carolina (6 p.m., ESPN3), an FBS member. The Pirates are projected as the fifth-place finisher in the six-team American Athletic Conference.

    “I don’t know how in the world we’d be favored in this ballgame,” said JMU coach Mike Houston. “You’re playing a team that has 85 scholarships. We have 63. They have a budget that dwarfs ours. The resources they have, it’s no comparison. So I don’t understand exactly how somebody would say we’re favored."

    Scottie Montgomery sounded somewhat perturbed about it in saying: "They are favored and it is what it is. I don't pay attention to it."

    For what it is, I like how the line, in favoring the red headed step-child in the FCS to the FBS, could provide outside psychological motivation to the players in the social media era.


     
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    Posted: Aug. 30, 2017 - 8:56 PM ET #2

    3. The ECU QB's

    There's really 2 here. Gardner Minshew (unremarkable last year 119-202 for 1,347 and 8 TD's with 4 INT's) was named the stater. But he barely edged out Thomas Sirk who can easily get reps in this game if Minshew struggles. Sirk is the superior QB and the only reason he isn't starting is that he's new to the system. So we start with experience and familiarity over talent.


    We know what JMU will do: Ground and pound. Their receiving core has been decimated by injuries and suspension. That will be a challenge for ECU as their defense is nothing of note. But knowing the gameplan against an FCS team, in the home opener, I like their chances as a default pick'um. 

    Also there's this revealing quote from JMU's offensives coordinator all of two weeks ago:

    "It's been a grueling 18,19 days. We've had a lot of injuries. That's been the only thing," Kirkpatrick said. "So I don't feel like we got the timing. I don't feel like we've got the chemistry right now maybe that we need for a first game, luckily we got two more weeks to go."

    Houston did not address the subject of the six suspended players that will miss the season opener. However, he did reveal to reporters that cornerback Charles Tutt will miss the entire year because of a torn ACL suffered in practice. The rising junior played in all 15 games last season. Houston plans to redshirt him this fall.



    4. JMU is 2-8 vs. FBS teams in the last 10 years.

    Give me ECU in a close one in a game they've been disrespected by the linesmakers, at home, after a season of major struggle, in to end JMU's 12 game win streak which has no receiving core and lost a cornerback. 

    When an FCS team beats an FBS team, even a mediocre to poor one which is the case with ECU, they need all hands on deck. JMU under different circumstances wins this game. But not like this. ECU can put points on the board and will slowly pull away late as JMU can only run.






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    3. The ECU QB's

    There's really 2 here. Gardner Minshew (unremarkable last year 119-202 for 1,347 and 8 TD's with 4 INT's) was named the stater. But he barely edged out Thomas Sirk who can easily get reps in this game if Minshew struggles. Sirk is the superior QB and the only reason he isn't starting is that he's new to the system. So we start with experience and familiarity over talent.


    We know what JMU will do: Ground and pound. Their receiving core has been decimated by injuries and suspension. That will be a challenge for ECU as their defense is nothing of note. But knowing the gameplan against an FCS team, in the home opener, I like their chances as a default pick'um. 

    Also there's this revealing quote from JMU's offensives coordinator all of two weeks ago:

    "It's been a grueling 18,19 days. We've had a lot of injuries. That's been the only thing," Kirkpatrick said. "So I don't feel like we got the timing. I don't feel like we've got the chemistry right now maybe that we need for a first game, luckily we got two more weeks to go."

    Houston did not address the subject of the six suspended players that will miss the season opener. However, he did reveal to reporters that cornerback Charles Tutt will miss the entire year because of a torn ACL suffered in practice. The rising junior played in all 15 games last season. Houston plans to redshirt him this fall.



    4. JMU is 2-8 vs. FBS teams in the last 10 years.

    Give me ECU in a close one in a game they've been disrespected by the linesmakers, at home, after a season of major struggle, in to end JMU's 12 game win streak which has no receiving core and lost a cornerback. 

    When an FCS team beats an FBS team, even a mediocre to poor one which is the case with ECU, they need all hands on deck. JMU under different circumstances wins this game. But not like this. ECU can put points on the board and will slowly pull away late as JMU can only run.






     
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    Posted: Aug. 30, 2017 - 8:58 PM ET #3

     I agree with every word, without question 

    Until the wallet is full.
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     I agree with every word, without question 

     
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    Posted: Aug. 30, 2017 - 9:36 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    3. The ECU QB's

    There's really 2 here. Gardner Minshew (unremarkable last year 119-202 for 1,347 and 8 TD's with 4 INT's) was named the stater. But he barely edged out Thomas Sirk who can easily get reps in this game if Minshew struggles. Sirk is the superior QB and the only reason he isn't starting is that he's new to the system. So we start with experience and familiarity over talent.


    We know what JMU will do: Ground and pound. Their receiving core has been decimated by injuries and suspension. That will be a challenge for ECU as their defense is nothing of note. But knowing the gameplan against an FCS team, in the home opener, I like their chances as a default pick'um.   



     James Madison loses 4 guys on that O-Line.....They may have trouble running the ball without the threat of a passing game.


    Good call on this one Scal








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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    3. The ECU QB's

    There's really 2 here. Gardner Minshew (unremarkable last year 119-202 for 1,347 and 8 TD's with 4 INT's) was named the stater. But he barely edged out Thomas Sirk who can easily get reps in this game if Minshew struggles. Sirk is the superior QB and the only reason he isn't starting is that he's new to the system. So we start with experience and familiarity over talent.


    We know what JMU will do: Ground and pound. Their receiving core has been decimated by injuries and suspension. That will be a challenge for ECU as their defense is nothing of note. But knowing the gameplan against an FCS team, in the home opener, I like their chances as a default pick'um.   



     James Madison loses 4 guys on that O-Line.....They may have trouble running the ball without the threat of a passing game.


    Good call on this one Scal








     
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    Posted: Aug. 30, 2017 - 10:24 PM ET #5

    Good luck. I booked Sourth Carolina very early at +4.5.

    Now i put the same bet on JM +1. Hoping for a middle.
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    Good luck. I booked Sourth Carolina very early at +4.5.

    Now i put the same bet on JM +1. Hoping for a middle.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 30, 2017 - 10:26 PM ET #6

    I'm in for a little more on ECU!  

    Like Under ten touchdowns as well.
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    I'm in for a little more on ECU!  

    Like Under ten touchdowns as well.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wizebettor:

    Good luck. I booked Sourth Carolina very early at +4.5.

    Now i put the same bet on JM +1. Hoping for a middle.

    EAST Carolina... Why would you do this given the circumstances?  Likely now that you just eat the -120 juice.  Unless you went larger on 1 of 2 wagers that you're "most confident in".... Sure, chance at a middle, but I'd advise against it in this situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wizebettor:

    Good luck. I booked Sourth Carolina very early at +4.5.

    Now i put the same bet on JM +1. Hoping for a middle.

    EAST Carolina... Why would you do this given the circumstances?  Likely now that you just eat the -120 juice.  Unless you went larger on 1 of 2 wagers that you're "most confident in".... Sure, chance at a middle, but I'd advise against it in this situation.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 31, 2017 - 1:13 AM ET #8

    ECU should win this game. JMU will be up for it, but still lacks D1 talent.. line is really weird..
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    ECU should win this game. JMU will be up for it, but still lacks D1 talent.. line is really weird..
     
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    Tailing... EC +1.5 on my local, no totals though..... bookmaker isin't showing anything. 

    Note that WR Trevon Brown was cleared today for EC.... 760 yds 8TD's in '15... not bad... coach sounded happy to get him in. 

    Thanks Scal, good Luck to all!  
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    Tailing... EC +1.5 on my local, no totals though..... bookmaker isin't showing anything. 

    Note that WR Trevon Brown was cleared today for EC.... 760 yds 8TD's in '15... not bad... coach sounded happy to get him in. 

    Thanks Scal, good Luck to all!  
     
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    YEP JUMPING ON THIS ONE 


    BEST OF LUCK BROTHER 
    BEST OF HEALTH, HAPPINESS,WEALTH, BLESSINGS and LUCK TO ALL !!
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    YEP JUMPING ON THIS ONE 


    BEST OF LUCK BROTHER 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 31, 2017 - 3:58 AM ET #11

    BOL Scal! Will add this one to my card for half unit
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    BOL Scal! Will add this one to my card for half unit
     
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    Posted: Aug. 31, 2017 - 4:06 AM ET #12

    Come on why even bet these teams , too much unknown 

     The line tells me ECU must really suck this year 
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    Come on why even bet these teams , too much unknown 

     The line tells me ECU must really suck this year 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 31, 2017 - 7:31 AM ET #13

    good stuff scal thanks for the pk
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    good stuff scal thanks for the pk
     
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    Scal any reason for so much action? I don't think I ever seen you post so many plays simultaneously before, 7?!?!? lol

    If I remember correctly, you're more of a 1-3 plays per a week type of guy across all sports, you pick your spots very carefully, selective, sniper shots.

    Unless these are opportunities only available at the beginning of the season/end of the season sort of thing? Either way, lets rock tomorrow!

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    Scal any reason for so much action? I don't think I ever seen you post so many plays simultaneously before, 7?!?!? lol

    If I remember correctly, you're more of a 1-3 plays per a week type of guy across all sports, you pick your spots very carefully, selective, sniper shots.

    Unless these are opportunities only available at the beginning of the season/end of the season sort of thing? Either way, lets rock tomorrow!

     
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    Scal any reason for so much action? I don't think I ever seen you post so many plays simultaneously before, 7?!?!? lol

    If I remember correctly, you're more of a 1-3 plays per a week type of guy across all sports, you pick your spots very carefully, selective, sniper shots.

    Unless these are opportunities only available at the beginning of the season/end of the season sort of thing? Either way, lets rock tomorrow!

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    Scal any reason for so much action? I don't think I ever seen you post so many plays simultaneously before, 7?!?!? lol

    If I remember correctly, you're more of a 1-3 plays per a week type of guy across all sports, you pick your spots very carefully, selective, sniper shots.

    Unless these are opportunities only available at the beginning of the season/end of the season sort of thing? Either way, lets rock tomorrow!

     
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    I wonder who little Ricky will be taking
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    I wonder who little Ricky will be taking
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BallingLikeNE:

    Scal any reason for so much action? I don't think I ever seen you post so many plays simultaneously before, 7?!?!? lol

    If I remember correctly, you're more of a 1-3 plays per a week type of guy across all sports, you pick your spots very carefully, selective, sniper shots.

    Unless these are opportunities only available at the beginning of the season/end of the season sort of thing? Either way, lets rock tomorrow!


    Oh yes, there is a reason Balling. Two actually:

    1) I've had 8 MONTHS to cap Week 1. I'll have 6 days to cap week 2 warranting 1-2 plays max.

    2) The stain of last year on the bad teams, which I love to cap, quickly goes away and the lines adjust significantly with a single game.

    Thanks Step TD Risk Lion Double Bridge Mike.

    Stein, I watched every East Carolina game last year. There is unkowns for you, not for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BallingLikeNE:

    Scal any reason for so much action? I don't think I ever seen you post so many plays simultaneously before, 7?!?!? lol

    If I remember correctly, you're more of a 1-3 plays per a week type of guy across all sports, you pick your spots very carefully, selective, sniper shots.

    Unless these are opportunities only available at the beginning of the season/end of the season sort of thing? Either way, lets rock tomorrow!


    Oh yes, there is a reason Balling. Two actually:

    1) I've had 8 MONTHS to cap Week 1. I'll have 6 days to cap week 2 warranting 1-2 plays max.

    2) The stain of last year on the bad teams, which I love to cap, quickly goes away and the lines adjust significantly with a single game.

    Thanks Step TD Risk Lion Double Bridge Mike.

    Stein, I watched every East Carolina game last year. There is unkowns for you, not for me.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 31, 2017 - 6:07 PM ET #18

    Scal - Georgia State Panthers, new coach, new stadium angle?!?!? Your thoughts
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    Scal - Georgia State Panthers, new coach, new stadium angle?!?!? Your thoughts
     
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    Posted: Aug. 31, 2017 - 6:18 PM ET #19

    Best of Luck on all the plays Scal
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    Best of Luck on all the plays Scal
     
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    Posted: Aug. 31, 2017 - 9:31 PM ET #20

    Nvm on the GA St Panthers, they're trash.

    Had to take Indiana +21 to try to cancel out that lost 
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    Nvm on the GA St Panthers, they're trash.

    Had to take Indiana +21 to try to cancel out that lost 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 2, 2017 - 1:23 AM ET #21

    ECU now up to -3. I hope you guys got the good -1 (and I think TD said he even got +6 months ago! Yes it was once +6!). I explained in the OP why even -1 is good.

    Ballin I did not cap that game.

    Under thanks.
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    ECU now up to -3. I hope you guys got the good -1 (and I think TD said he even got +6 months ago! Yes it was once +6!). I explained in the OP why even -1 is good.

    Ballin I did not cap that game.

    Under thanks.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 2, 2017 - 9:36 AM ET #22

    im seeing james madison-8.5 ?
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    im seeing james madison-8.5 ?
     
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    Posted: Sep. 2, 2017 - 9:37 AM ET #23

    I'm seeing ECU +8.5 now.
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    I'm seeing ECU +8.5 now.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 2, 2017 - 9:43 AM ET #24

    ECU +8.5 on 5dimes right now. Wtf happened?!?!
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    ECU +8.5 on 5dimes right now. Wtf happened?!?!
     
     
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    WTF is going on here
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    WTF is going on here
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