My first pick is Clemson minus whatever. While Clemson is playing on the road and has a history of struggling with SEC teams, I really don't see how what I expect to be an abysmal Auburn offense will be competitive for four quarters. I'm looking for a 38-10 type of score.
My first pick is Clemson minus whatever. While Clemson is playing on the road and has a history of struggling with SEC teams, I really don't see how what I expect to be an abysmal Auburn offense will be competitive for four quarters. I'm looking for a 38-10 type of score.
Good to see you back this season Dr. SL, and I appreciate the thoughtful post.
Before I delve into my response, I will make a general point here - one that I make frequently around this time of year.
Probably the most worthless stat that is peddled in the college football world is returning tackles and other such meaningless returning stats. And when I say that, I exclude returning starters which I believe is a very valid stat through probably the first 3 weeks of the season. The implication of these stats are that if this year's starter had played the previous season, he would not have made any of the tackles that his predecessor made, or at least not as many. That is not only a ridiculous assertion, it is pure conjecture.
I agree with your basic premise that in order for Auburn to remain competitive in this game, their offense needs to dominate time-of-possession (TOP) thereby keeping Watson on the sidelines. This is something that I have preached about on nearly an annual basis when Clemson and South Carolina meet in the Battle of the Palmetto State.
I challenge anyone to look up the game stats during South Carolina's 5-game winning streak over Clemson. I'm challenging you to do it, because I'm too lazy to do so. Nevertheless, during Spurrier's 5-game winning streak over Dabo, look at one stat, and one stat only: TOP. Spurrier's game plan versus Clemson was super simple; play ugly SEC grind-it-out-in-the-trenches, ball control offense, and keep Clemson’s high-flying offense on the sideline. What you will find is that in all five of those games, South Carolina utterly dominated the TOP by an average of something like 38 to 22. Alabama did the same thing to Clemson in the 2008 season opener (just as I predicted they would).
Clemson now has a 2-game winning streak in the South Carolina series, and won the TOP battle in both of those games. And the reason they did so because Dabo recognized that for his team to reach the next level, he would need to be SEC good in the trenches, and recruited accordingly.
It should be noted that Alabama tried to play ball control and assert their dominance in the trenches against Clemson in the national title game, and failed miserably. In fact, I would argue Clemson’s defensive front 7 won the battle at the point of attack.
So that brings us full-circle back to the Clemson/Auburn matchup. If you believe Auburn can successfully execute the Steve Spurrier ball-control game plan against Clemson, which is their only chance to remain competitive, then you should probably take the points. I, however, think there is virtually zero shot that will happen.
For starters, playing a slow, ball control brand of football is completely antithetical to the Gus Malzahn offensive philosophy. Malzahn wants his offense to run fast . . . very fast. At this point, because Auburn's other QB prospects are so inept; it appears that pro-style QB Sean White will win the job by default. Why Malzahn even recruited a pro-style QB, and why a pro-style QB would commit to Malzahn is bizarre to say the least, but here we are. We know from last season that White cannot execute the offense Malzahn wants to run. Basically, Auburn’s offense has zero leadership, has zero experience at running back, and virtually no experience on the outside – not that last season’s wide outs were anything to brag about. Auburn’s offense is basically a rudderless ship at sea, and it’s taking on water.
I have submitted on this forum that Auburn's offense is a complete basket case that is wholly incapable of taking advantage of any shortcomings Clemson's defense may have, and that was before yesterday's scrimmage. In speaking to two observers who were there, after watching how dismal and dysfunctional Auburn's offense was, they are now inclined to agree with my assessment that the offense is bad, and that it will be a very long season for Auburn backers.
I don't have the time or space to address Clemson's offense right now except to say it will be even better than it was last season.
The bottom line is that if you're betting on the ability of Auburn's offense to adopt the Spurrier strategy to shorten the game by dominating TOP, or taking advantage of any of Clemson’s defensive vulnerabilities, I think it’s a very ill-conceived bet. There is pretty much no shot that will happen.
Once again, lay the points!
Good to see you back this season Dr. SL, and I appreciate the thoughtful post.
Before I delve into my response, I will make a general point here - one that I make frequently around this time of year.
Probably the most worthless stat that is peddled in the college football world is returning tackles and other such meaningless returning stats. And when I say that, I exclude returning starters which I believe is a very valid stat through probably the first 3 weeks of the season. The implication of these stats are that if this year's starter had played the previous season, he would not have made any of the tackles that his predecessor made, or at least not as many. That is not only a ridiculous assertion, it is pure conjecture.
I agree with your basic premise that in order for Auburn to remain competitive in this game, their offense needs to dominate time-of-possession (TOP) thereby keeping Watson on the sidelines. This is something that I have preached about on nearly an annual basis when Clemson and South Carolina meet in the Battle of the Palmetto State.
I challenge anyone to look up the game stats during South Carolina's 5-game winning streak over Clemson. I'm challenging you to do it, because I'm too lazy to do so. Nevertheless, during Spurrier's 5-game winning streak over Dabo, look at one stat, and one stat only: TOP. Spurrier's game plan versus Clemson was super simple; play ugly SEC grind-it-out-in-the-trenches, ball control offense, and keep Clemson’s high-flying offense on the sideline. What you will find is that in all five of those games, South Carolina utterly dominated the TOP by an average of something like 38 to 22. Alabama did the same thing to Clemson in the 2008 season opener (just as I predicted they would).
Clemson now has a 2-game winning streak in the South Carolina series, and won the TOP battle in both of those games. And the reason they did so because Dabo recognized that for his team to reach the next level, he would need to be SEC good in the trenches, and recruited accordingly.
It should be noted that Alabama tried to play ball control and assert their dominance in the trenches against Clemson in the national title game, and failed miserably. In fact, I would argue Clemson’s defensive front 7 won the battle at the point of attack.
So that brings us full-circle back to the Clemson/Auburn matchup. If you believe Auburn can successfully execute the Steve Spurrier ball-control game plan against Clemson, which is their only chance to remain competitive, then you should probably take the points. I, however, think there is virtually zero shot that will happen.
For starters, playing a slow, ball control brand of football is completely antithetical to the Gus Malzahn offensive philosophy. Malzahn wants his offense to run fast . . . very fast. At this point, because Auburn's other QB prospects are so inept; it appears that pro-style QB Sean White will win the job by default. Why Malzahn even recruited a pro-style QB, and why a pro-style QB would commit to Malzahn is bizarre to say the least, but here we are. We know from last season that White cannot execute the offense Malzahn wants to run. Basically, Auburn’s offense has zero leadership, has zero experience at running back, and virtually no experience on the outside – not that last season’s wide outs were anything to brag about. Auburn’s offense is basically a rudderless ship at sea, and it’s taking on water.
I have submitted on this forum that Auburn's offense is a complete basket case that is wholly incapable of taking advantage of any shortcomings Clemson's defense may have, and that was before yesterday's scrimmage. In speaking to two observers who were there, after watching how dismal and dysfunctional Auburn's offense was, they are now inclined to agree with my assessment that the offense is bad, and that it will be a very long season for Auburn backers.
I don't have the time or space to address Clemson's offense right now except to say it will be even better than it was last season.
The bottom line is that if you're betting on the ability of Auburn's offense to adopt the Spurrier strategy to shorten the game by dominating TOP, or taking advantage of any of Clemson’s defensive vulnerabilities, I think it’s a very ill-conceived bet. There is pretty much no shot that will happen.
Once again, lay the points!
I have surmised why I think the line is short, and I completely agree with your assessment. This is an ACC team heading into a hostile SEC venue at night, and Clemson has a history of struggling with physical SEC teams. See my comments about the Clemson/South Carolina rivalry in post #32.
I think it is almost a certainty that we will see Malzahn trot multiple QBs out there versus Clemson. Why? Because he doesn't have a QB that can execute his offense, so he will develop sub-packages for each.
And I also think it will be to no avail.
I have surmised why I think the line is short, and I completely agree with your assessment. This is an ACC team heading into a hostile SEC venue at night, and Clemson has a history of struggling with physical SEC teams. See my comments about the Clemson/South Carolina rivalry in post #32.
I think it is almost a certainty that we will see Malzahn trot multiple QBs out there versus Clemson. Why? Because he doesn't have a QB that can execute his offense, so he will develop sub-packages for each.
And I also think it will be to no avail.
I think USC's front 7 will eventually wear down at some point in the 2nd half. Therefore, I think we'll see Alabama pull away in the 2nd half.
Bama has so much D depth and they will rotate constantly to keep them fresh. They should dominate fourth quarter as usual....
I think USC's front 7 will eventually wear down at some point in the 2nd half. Therefore, I think we'll see Alabama pull away in the 2nd half.
Bama has so much D depth and they will rotate constantly to keep them fresh. They should dominate fourth quarter as usual....
I firmly believe both will win, so I like the play.
I firmly believe both will win, so I like the play.
I understand Clemson's losses on the defensive side of the ball, but that was a very deep defensive unit last season.
Again, I think the bigger issue is that I do not think Auburn's offense will be in good position to take advantage of any defensive shortcomings Clemson may have.
Auburn has a lot of issues on the offensive side of the ball, but the lack of a QB is their biggest obstacle. The only competent QB Auburn has right now is Sean White, and he is a pro-style QB who we already know cannot run the offense Malzahn wants to run.
The only QB that has any hope of running the Malzahn offense is a very raw John Franklin who is no where near ready for a prime time against the #2 team in the nation.
I think both QBs will play, but Malzahn is hoping that Franklin will grown into the job at some point this season. It's really his only hope to salvage what looks to be a rough season for Auburn.
I understand Clemson's losses on the defensive side of the ball, but that was a very deep defensive unit last season.
Again, I think the bigger issue is that I do not think Auburn's offense will be in good position to take advantage of any defensive shortcomings Clemson may have.
Auburn has a lot of issues on the offensive side of the ball, but the lack of a QB is their biggest obstacle. The only competent QB Auburn has right now is Sean White, and he is a pro-style QB who we already know cannot run the offense Malzahn wants to run.
The only QB that has any hope of running the Malzahn offense is a very raw John Franklin who is no where near ready for a prime time against the #2 team in the nation.
I think both QBs will play, but Malzahn is hoping that Franklin will grown into the job at some point this season. It's really his only hope to salvage what looks to be a rough season for Auburn.
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