I haven't decided which side I'm going to play yet but my concern with Washinton is they can't play a physical style team. USC went in and dominated them in a low scoring slug fest. Colorado can play that type of ugly game. All is well as long as they can hang 60 on someone but we've seen what happens against as team that can play defense.
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I haven't decided which side I'm going to play yet but my concern with Washinton is they can't play a physical style team. USC went in and dominated them in a low scoring slug fest. Colorado can play that type of ugly game. All is well as long as they can hang 60 on someone but we've seen what happens against as team that can play defense.
first half and first quarter washington play may be worth a look too. going back to CPs Boisie days and even this year. when they win they always start strong and put their foot down early.
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first half and first quarter washington play may be worth a look too. going back to CPs Boisie days and even this year. when they win they always start strong and put their foot down early.
this should be a great game. I think USC is clearly the best team in the PAC 12 and have been playing as a top 5 team since they beat Colorado. Very impressive win by Washington at Washington St. Wash St is a physical football team on D so they proved they could play nasty. Colorado had a few bad drops and should of put Utah away earlier but the Buffs are pretty nasty of D. They just mite have the corners to play with Pettis. As of now leaning taking the TD.
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this should be a great game. I think USC is clearly the best team in the PAC 12 and have been playing as a top 5 team since they beat Colorado. Very impressive win by Washington at Washington St. Wash St is a physical football team on D so they proved they could play nasty. Colorado had a few bad drops and should of put Utah away earlier but the Buffs are pretty nasty of D. They just mite have the corners to play with Pettis. As of now leaning taking the TD.
I haven't decided which side I'm going to play yet but my concern with Washinton is they can't play a physical style team. USC went in and dominated them in a low scoring slug fest. Colorado can play that type of ugly game. All is well as long as they can hang 60 on someone but we've seen what happens against as team that can play defense.
I don't agree with this at all. First of all, USC didn't dominate Washington. It was a game that USC had a good game plan for & forced Browning into some bad throws. I was at that game & never felt like the Huskies were being dominated or were ever out of the game til the very end. The TO's were the key. Washington played physical Utah & Stanford teams straight up & beat them both. Now, all that being said, I'd rather the Huskies were facing USC again instead of Colorado. They struggle more vs mobile qb's than predominantly pocket passers. Losing Mathis & Victor is a tough blow to their defense. I don't care who you are, it's tough to lose All-conf. players & be your best. They've adjusted & have played well w/o them but it still hurts. The homer in me likes Washington here........but it won't be easy. They have to contain Liufau & they have to run the ball.
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Quote Originally Posted by Damaged99:
I haven't decided which side I'm going to play yet but my concern with Washinton is they can't play a physical style team. USC went in and dominated them in a low scoring slug fest. Colorado can play that type of ugly game. All is well as long as they can hang 60 on someone but we've seen what happens against as team that can play defense.
I don't agree with this at all. First of all, USC didn't dominate Washington. It was a game that USC had a good game plan for & forced Browning into some bad throws. I was at that game & never felt like the Huskies were being dominated or were ever out of the game til the very end. The TO's were the key. Washington played physical Utah & Stanford teams straight up & beat them both. Now, all that being said, I'd rather the Huskies were facing USC again instead of Colorado. They struggle more vs mobile qb's than predominantly pocket passers. Losing Mathis & Victor is a tough blow to their defense. I don't care who you are, it's tough to lose All-conf. players & be your best. They've adjusted & have played well w/o them but it still hurts. The homer in me likes Washington here........but it won't be easy. They have to contain Liufau & they have to run the ball.
Totally agree; Washington traded haymakers with Stanford and Utah-- 2 teams with stronger "physical" pedigrees than Colorado
Washington was down 17-13 vs Southern Cal late 3rd quarter with the ball at the USC 33 fresh off of a pick of Darnold
Washington goes into score at that juncture and that 4th quarter rolls very differently; obviously, didn't happen
Woulda shoulda coulda, I get it, but frankly I was hoping for the UW to get another shot at USC this weekend
I think the Colorado matchup is very favorable for Washington (think Washington St-Arizona St, heck, even end of year Oregon St); I fully expect them to take care of business on Friday
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Totally agree; Washington traded haymakers with Stanford and Utah-- 2 teams with stronger "physical" pedigrees than Colorado
Washington was down 17-13 vs Southern Cal late 3rd quarter with the ball at the USC 33 fresh off of a pick of Darnold
Washington goes into score at that juncture and that 4th quarter rolls very differently; obviously, didn't happen
Woulda shoulda coulda, I get it, but frankly I was hoping for the UW to get another shot at USC this weekend
I think the Colorado matchup is very favorable for Washington (think Washington St-Arizona St, heck, even end of year Oregon St); I fully expect them to take care of business on Friday
Look, I'm not a savant here. But here's the problem I got with taking Washington. This is the highest spread you can reasonably make them. I mean you can't make them -9 or -10. But you could make the rationale that they're too big a fav and it should be -4.5. That's honestly where I think it probably should be. Maybe -6. But I think at -7 there is pretty much no value.
Colorado has the feel of a gritty team. I watched them play at Michigan earlier in the year. They were leading that game into the 3rd before their QB went down. And they played really well on offense against arguably the best D in the nation on their home field. Washington is good overall, obviously, but they have issues.
Colorado also lost by only 4 at USC. Washington lost to them at home by 13. Now, obviously Washington has performed a little better overall vs everyone in terms of general winning margins.
The concern I might have about Colorado is this is a very big stage for them. Even though Washington is new to this stage, they have a better coach so you feel like they handle it better. I will say though that Colorado is a much more physical D than Wash St who proved to be a bit of a fraud last week, although greatly improved. They could put no pressure on Browning. And I think Colorado has the line to be able to get to him and that's a huge difference. They can also hold their own on the run game. My gut feeling tells me this is a 3-4 point game and that Colorado won't go down easy, but Washington will prevail by making more crucial plays late in the game.
It's hard to gage just how good Washington is because they play no physical teams in the Pac 12 except USC and Utah who did well against them. The rest of the teams are really terrible, or completely one dimensional like Stanford.
Also, I think the mental edge goes to Colorado. They go in thinking no one is giving them a shot to win. That wasn't the case last week as a ton of people picked Wast St, including me, and Washington felt they had something to prove. This week Washington has something to defend, not something to prove. Colorado has nothing to lose. They get the Rose Bowl no matter what happens here. But clearly Washington has to win this game to get into the playoff. And right now I think their stock is very high with Colorado's stock being in the middle and from my experience you buy low and sell high.
But as I've said repeatedly, NCAAF has such unbalanced schedules there's still a guessing game that goes on even at this point in the bowl season.
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Look, I'm not a savant here. But here's the problem I got with taking Washington. This is the highest spread you can reasonably make them. I mean you can't make them -9 or -10. But you could make the rationale that they're too big a fav and it should be -4.5. That's honestly where I think it probably should be. Maybe -6. But I think at -7 there is pretty much no value.
Colorado has the feel of a gritty team. I watched them play at Michigan earlier in the year. They were leading that game into the 3rd before their QB went down. And they played really well on offense against arguably the best D in the nation on their home field. Washington is good overall, obviously, but they have issues.
Colorado also lost by only 4 at USC. Washington lost to them at home by 13. Now, obviously Washington has performed a little better overall vs everyone in terms of general winning margins.
The concern I might have about Colorado is this is a very big stage for them. Even though Washington is new to this stage, they have a better coach so you feel like they handle it better. I will say though that Colorado is a much more physical D than Wash St who proved to be a bit of a fraud last week, although greatly improved. They could put no pressure on Browning. And I think Colorado has the line to be able to get to him and that's a huge difference. They can also hold their own on the run game. My gut feeling tells me this is a 3-4 point game and that Colorado won't go down easy, but Washington will prevail by making more crucial plays late in the game.
It's hard to gage just how good Washington is because they play no physical teams in the Pac 12 except USC and Utah who did well against them. The rest of the teams are really terrible, or completely one dimensional like Stanford.
Also, I think the mental edge goes to Colorado. They go in thinking no one is giving them a shot to win. That wasn't the case last week as a ton of people picked Wast St, including me, and Washington felt they had something to prove. This week Washington has something to defend, not something to prove. Colorado has nothing to lose. They get the Rose Bowl no matter what happens here. But clearly Washington has to win this game to get into the playoff. And right now I think their stock is very high with Colorado's stock being in the middle and from my experience you buy low and sell high.
But as I've said repeatedly, NCAAF has such unbalanced schedules there's still a guessing game that goes on even at this point in the bowl season.
I think this is a game where you bet Colorado or stay away. I just don't think they have any major advantages. The D is close to a wash. The O is close to a wash . . . I mean I guess you lean Washington? But Colorado has had good QB play and they got a guy who can scramble. Washington is the better running team, but I don't think they'll run all over Colorado's line. I don't know who has the better kicker, but in terms of the O and D matching up I don't see a big adv for Washington. The only thing like I said that I could like about Washington covers is if Colorado plays really crumby on offense under the pressure and they just fold.
Washington may cover, but I think taking them is a bad bet. Everyone on this forum likes to make favorites as their big play every week. No one ever takes the dog.
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I think this is a game where you bet Colorado or stay away. I just don't think they have any major advantages. The D is close to a wash. The O is close to a wash . . . I mean I guess you lean Washington? But Colorado has had good QB play and they got a guy who can scramble. Washington is the better running team, but I don't think they'll run all over Colorado's line. I don't know who has the better kicker, but in terms of the O and D matching up I don't see a big adv for Washington. The only thing like I said that I could like about Washington covers is if Colorado plays really crumby on offense under the pressure and they just fold.
Washington may cover, but I think taking them is a bad bet. Everyone on this forum likes to make favorites as their big play every week. No one ever takes the dog.
I think this is a game where you bet Colorado or stay away. I just don't think they have any major advantages. The D is close to a wash. The O is close to a wash . . . I mean I guess you lean Washington? But Colorado has had good QB play and they got a guy who can scramble. Washington is the better running team, but I don't think they'll run all over Colorado's line. I don't know who has the better kicker, but in terms of the O and D matching up I don't see a big adv for Washington. The only thing like I said that I could like about Washington covers is if Colorado plays really crumby on offense under the pressure and they just fold.
Washington may cover, but I think taking them is a bad bet. Everyone on this forum likes to make favorites as their big play every week. No one ever takes the dog.
Good posts.......
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Quote Originally Posted by fluffybucker69:
I think this is a game where you bet Colorado or stay away. I just don't think they have any major advantages. The D is close to a wash. The O is close to a wash . . . I mean I guess you lean Washington? But Colorado has had good QB play and they got a guy who can scramble. Washington is the better running team, but I don't think they'll run all over Colorado's line. I don't know who has the better kicker, but in terms of the O and D matching up I don't see a big adv for Washington. The only thing like I said that I could like about Washington covers is if Colorado plays really crumby on offense under the pressure and they just fold.
Washington may cover, but I think taking them is a bad bet. Everyone on this forum likes to make favorites as their big play every week. No one ever takes the dog.
This is a really tough game to get a read on, I won with Utah +11 last week, but this game offers some match up problems. Well, I dont know if problems is the right word, but I dont see any noticeable mismatches, Colorado has one of the better secondaries in the country so I'm not sure if the Washington offense will be able to move the ball effectively. On the flip side, the Washington defense could really shut down the Colorado offense. I think Washington's defense is better, than Utah, USC, Wash St, UCLA, so I really think this game comes down to what team will show up on each side. I would probably lean Washington as well, but that Colorado offense scored 40 at Michigan, so I'm not sure.
I do think Washington has looked like the better team the past few weeks, and against common opponents. I think Browning has been better than Sefo Liufau, but there's some value to having a SR QB who has started so many college games...
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This is a really tough game to get a read on, I won with Utah +11 last week, but this game offers some match up problems. Well, I dont know if problems is the right word, but I dont see any noticeable mismatches, Colorado has one of the better secondaries in the country so I'm not sure if the Washington offense will be able to move the ball effectively. On the flip side, the Washington defense could really shut down the Colorado offense. I think Washington's defense is better, than Utah, USC, Wash St, UCLA, so I really think this game comes down to what team will show up on each side. I would probably lean Washington as well, but that Colorado offense scored 40 at Michigan, so I'm not sure.
I do think Washington has looked like the better team the past few weeks, and against common opponents. I think Browning has been better than Sefo Liufau, but there's some value to having a SR QB who has started so many college games...
I dont know if Colorado will be able to manufacture that many points, Liufau will probably have to use his legs, but Lindsay is probably one of the worst RB's in the Pac 12, and the Washington DB's should be able to shut down their sub par wr corps...
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I dont know if Colorado will be able to manufacture that many points, Liufau will probably have to use his legs, but Lindsay is probably one of the worst RB's in the Pac 12, and the Washington DB's should be able to shut down their sub par wr corps...
I don't agree with this at all. First of all, USC didn't dominate Washington. It was a game that USC had a good game plan for & forced Browning into some bad throws. I was at that game & never felt like the Huskies were being dominated or were ever out of the game til the very end. The TO's were the key. Washington played physical Utah & Stanford teams straight up & beat them both. Now, all that being said, I'd rather the Huskies were facing USC again instead of Colorado. They struggle more vs mobile qb's than predominantly pocket passers. Losing Mathis & Victor is a tough blow to their defense. I don't care who you are, it's tough to lose All-conf. players & be your best. They've adjusted & have played well w/o them but it still hurts. The homer in me likes Washington here........but it won't be easy. They have to contain Liufau & they have to run the ball.
USC has a mobile QB also. Sam Darnold is an athletic QB who can also throw from the pocket. Colorado has a good WR Shay Fields , and a decent RB Lindsay on Offense, but Washington's D has speed everywhere. They should be able to neutralize Colorado's QB against the run, and force him to beat them through the air. On Offense Washington can run and pass, along with there creativity Offensively, they should be able to move the ball on Colorado's D. I look for a 27-17 Washington win...
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Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:
I don't agree with this at all. First of all, USC didn't dominate Washington. It was a game that USC had a good game plan for & forced Browning into some bad throws. I was at that game & never felt like the Huskies were being dominated or were ever out of the game til the very end. The TO's were the key. Washington played physical Utah & Stanford teams straight up & beat them both. Now, all that being said, I'd rather the Huskies were facing USC again instead of Colorado. They struggle more vs mobile qb's than predominantly pocket passers. Losing Mathis & Victor is a tough blow to their defense. I don't care who you are, it's tough to lose All-conf. players & be your best. They've adjusted & have played well w/o them but it still hurts. The homer in me likes Washington here........but it won't be easy. They have to contain Liufau & they have to run the ball.
USC has a mobile QB also. Sam Darnold is an athletic QB who can also throw from the pocket. Colorado has a good WR Shay Fields , and a decent RB Lindsay on Offense, but Washington's D has speed everywhere. They should be able to neutralize Colorado's QB against the run, and force him to beat them through the air. On Offense Washington can run and pass, along with there creativity Offensively, they should be able to move the ball on Colorado's D. I look for a 27-17 Washington win...
on another site a member who is a west coast specialist pointed out before the season how he expected a drastically improved Colorado team And they should be a good early bet before the books adjust. Basically ive been on board with the Buffs all season. It's been very profitable with only 2 ATS loses ALL SEASON.
IMO this is a PERFECT SPOT for Colorado. They have no pressure coming into this game. The season has been a smashing success and is already the programs most successful season since it's joined the Pac12. The Buffs have been getting it done nearly all year.
Washington and Colorado match up evenly.
Im getting 7 points with a defense that has been tough every game this season. 7points is too many.
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I've been riding Colorado nearly all season.
on another site a member who is a west coast specialist pointed out before the season how he expected a drastically improved Colorado team And they should be a good early bet before the books adjust. Basically ive been on board with the Buffs all season. It's been very profitable with only 2 ATS loses ALL SEASON.
IMO this is a PERFECT SPOT for Colorado. They have no pressure coming into this game. The season has been a smashing success and is already the programs most successful season since it's joined the Pac12. The Buffs have been getting it done nearly all year.
Washington and Colorado match up evenly.
Im getting 7 points with a defense that has been tough every game this season. 7points is too many.
I'm leaning Colorado BUT what we are all saying about Colorado was basically the same reason I took Wash St. They were playing well very and physical on D than they go out and got steam rolled by Washington. Tough to get a real read on Washington as they play a really weak out of conference schedule and crushed the weak in the PAC 12. Also 2 tight games on the road against Arizona and Utah. I understand Utah but how Arizona played with them is a shocker. Add in the loss to USC, which to be fair playing wise belong in top 4, I just cant get a good feel for them. Colorado has consistently played well all year lost to arguably 2 teams that should be in the top 4 (Michigan, USC) on the road. They had the lead on Michigan in the 3rd qtr.
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I'm leaning Colorado BUT what we are all saying about Colorado was basically the same reason I took Wash St. They were playing well very and physical on D than they go out and got steam rolled by Washington. Tough to get a real read on Washington as they play a really weak out of conference schedule and crushed the weak in the PAC 12. Also 2 tight games on the road against Arizona and Utah. I understand Utah but how Arizona played with them is a shocker. Add in the loss to USC, which to be fair playing wise belong in top 4, I just cant get a good feel for them. Colorado has consistently played well all year lost to arguably 2 teams that should be in the top 4 (Michigan, USC) on the road. They had the lead on Michigan in the 3rd qtr.
I think the favorite has covered the PAC 12 title game like 5 years in a row but somehow I think the dog is due.
See plenty of value now that it's at +7.5 in a high pressure game where all the onus is on Washington.
Gaskin for UW has 1180 yards, Lindsey has 1136 so he's not the worst RB at all, he's less than 50 yards behind him and is right behind Corey Clement and Marlon Mack.
I like Peterson but I just don't think this is going to be an easy game. I think 7.5 points is too much because this will be a tight grind it out game with 2 good defenses.
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I think the favorite has covered the PAC 12 title game like 5 years in a row but somehow I think the dog is due.
See plenty of value now that it's at +7.5 in a high pressure game where all the onus is on Washington.
Gaskin for UW has 1180 yards, Lindsey has 1136 so he's not the worst RB at all, he's less than 50 yards behind him and is right behind Corey Clement and Marlon Mack.
I like Peterson but I just don't think this is going to be an easy game. I think 7.5 points is too much because this will be a tight grind it out game with 2 good defenses.
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