Ok guys, I am going to bore you with some detailed math for
this match up; I promise you it will come together to a valid point as you read
on. This is a basic one dimensional
match up—Rushing offense vs rushing offense.
Both defenses are much closer in ability that the rankings might lead
you to believe.. ok, see if you can
stand this past the first 2 paragraphs lol…..
This game is being played inside the Capitol beltway, but it
is still a Navy home game—just about 45 minutes from Annapolis.
Ok…. The fun math…..
Army has ran the ball a nation’s leading 86.5% of their
total offensive plays, and that is closely followed by Navy’s 80.59% (2nd
in the country). Over the past 3 games,
Army has slightly increased their passing attempts percentage, as navy had actually
deceased theirs. Army averages 5.3
yards per rush attempt, and Navy’s is at 5.4 (8th in the
nation).
Army averages 72 plays per game, and Navy averages 70.6
plays per game. Army’s Defense has faced
the nation’s 3rd least amount of plays per game (62.5, and only 56.3
in their last 3 games) , while Navy’s Defense has faced an average of 70.1
plays, and 72.3 over the last 3 games.
Army has averaged more rushing yards per game than any team
in the country, while Navy is 3rd in that category (with just 28
less yards per game than Army).
Using Air Force as a
common denominator—as being a team both have played this season, and has a top
ranked/high percentage rushing team. (NOTE: the armed forces teams tend to have
a much stronger than most home field advantage due to the long running
rivalries. In using Air Force it is
important to note that Navy played their game in Annapolis and Army played
their matchup away.)
Army controlled 31:45 in T.O.P and scored 14 points, and
gave up 24. This is important to
calculate the points per minute scoring/allowing—scored 0.44 points per minute
of possession and allowed 0.85 points per minute of AF’s possessed minutes. Navy’s offense in their matchup vs AF 0.83
points per minute of possession, and yielded 1.82 pts per minute of possession….bare
with me here fellas, trust me I am getting to a valid point that will pull all
this together…still here?? Ok!..... Both AF and Army have near identically weak
run defenses (allowing an average of 5.2 yards per rushing attempt). Navy is slightly better for the season (but
AF actually ran for 179 vs Army @ home, and 223 vs when they traveled to
Navy)
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Ok guys, I am going to bore you with some detailed math for
this match up; I promise you it will come together to a valid point as you read
on. This is a basic one dimensional
match up—Rushing offense vs rushing offense.
Both defenses are much closer in ability that the rankings might lead
you to believe.. ok, see if you can
stand this past the first 2 paragraphs lol…..
This game is being played inside the Capitol beltway, but it
is still a Navy home game—just about 45 minutes from Annapolis.
Ok…. The fun math…..
Army has ran the ball a nation’s leading 86.5% of their
total offensive plays, and that is closely followed by Navy’s 80.59% (2nd
in the country). Over the past 3 games,
Army has slightly increased their passing attempts percentage, as navy had actually
deceased theirs. Army averages 5.3
yards per rush attempt, and Navy’s is at 5.4 (8th in the
nation).
Army averages 72 plays per game, and Navy averages 70.6
plays per game. Army’s Defense has faced
the nation’s 3rd least amount of plays per game (62.5, and only 56.3
in their last 3 games) , while Navy’s Defense has faced an average of 70.1
plays, and 72.3 over the last 3 games.
Army has averaged more rushing yards per game than any team
in the country, while Navy is 3rd in that category (with just 28
less yards per game than Army).
Using Air Force as a
common denominator—as being a team both have played this season, and has a top
ranked/high percentage rushing team. (NOTE: the armed forces teams tend to have
a much stronger than most home field advantage due to the long running
rivalries. In using Air Force it is
important to note that Navy played their game in Annapolis and Army played
their matchup away.)
Army controlled 31:45 in T.O.P and scored 14 points, and
gave up 24. This is important to
calculate the points per minute scoring/allowing—scored 0.44 points per minute
of possession and allowed 0.85 points per minute of AF’s possessed minutes. Navy’s offense in their matchup vs AF 0.83
points per minute of possession, and yielded 1.82 pts per minute of possession….bare
with me here fellas, trust me I am getting to a valid point that will pull all
this together…still here?? Ok!..... Both AF and Army have near identically weak
run defenses (allowing an average of 5.2 yards per rushing attempt). Navy is slightly better for the season (but
AF actually ran for 179 vs Army @ home, and 223 vs when they traveled to
Navy)
For the season, Navy has averaged 30:52 mins of possession,
while Army averaged 34:16. Navy (for
season) has averaged scoring 28.9 pts per game, and Army has averaged just 22.2
pts per game. This averages out to Navy
scoring (season) 0.93 pts per minute of possession, and Army is averaging 0.65
points per minute. Averaging 0.79 total points per minute played between both
offenses.
Army averages losing a Nation’s worst 1.7 fumbles per game,
while Navy only averages losing 0.7 per game.
Navy’s Defense happens to be very opportunistic in causing and
recovering fumbles (averaging 1 per game), while Army only averages recovering
0.7 fumbles per game. There lies the
question…. We can easily assume that Army will probably lose a fumble, and Navy
probably will not… but where would this fumble occur? In Navy RZ, Army RZ, or mid field? Both offenses tend to err on the side of
longer/drawn out time consuming drives.
In the 4 games this season that Armys game total went over 56 they
averaged turning the ball over 2 times per game. In the 4 games that Navy’s game totals went
OVER 57 points (4 games) their opponents averaged passing 237 yards (NOTE: Army
has not passed for over 124 yards in any game all season, and only passed over
100 yards one other tim3—106 )
Summary:
This is a rivalry
that will elict both teams best performances. Both teams are being challenged to stop the
other teams rushing attack. This is the
season for both these teams, and I see them working on their weaknesses in this
one—both stopping the run, and Army not turning the ball over. Both these teams are equal in defense in my
opinion (regardless of rankings/yards allowed).
The real story here is the rushing offenses of both. Both offenses combined to score 0.79 pts per
minute, with Army expecting to control a few extra minutes of game clock—to which
their scoring average is less than Navy’s.
This would lead us to logically expect approximately 44-48 pts total in
this game. I lean towards Navy winning a
tight game (Army with a 42% chance at a SU victory). The line is much too tight for me to wager on
the side, but I think the opportunity lies in the Under. Then taking into account that Navy (season)
has averaged scored only 47.75% of their average game points in the first half
of their games, and Army has averaged scoring only 42.8 of their average game
totals in the first half………….. This is
an easy UNDER first half UNLESS Army turns the ball over multiple times in the first
half in Navy’s territory, and I just don’t see that happening is this type of
rivalry.
Army 21--Navy 27
PLAY: Army@Navy Under 28.5
first half
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For the season, Navy has averaged 30:52 mins of possession,
while Army averaged 34:16. Navy (for
season) has averaged scoring 28.9 pts per game, and Army has averaged just 22.2
pts per game. This averages out to Navy
scoring (season) 0.93 pts per minute of possession, and Army is averaging 0.65
points per minute. Averaging 0.79 total points per minute played between both
offenses.
Army averages losing a Nation’s worst 1.7 fumbles per game,
while Navy only averages losing 0.7 per game.
Navy’s Defense happens to be very opportunistic in causing and
recovering fumbles (averaging 1 per game), while Army only averages recovering
0.7 fumbles per game. There lies the
question…. We can easily assume that Army will probably lose a fumble, and Navy
probably will not… but where would this fumble occur? In Navy RZ, Army RZ, or mid field? Both offenses tend to err on the side of
longer/drawn out time consuming drives.
In the 4 games this season that Armys game total went over 56 they
averaged turning the ball over 2 times per game. In the 4 games that Navy’s game totals went
OVER 57 points (4 games) their opponents averaged passing 237 yards (NOTE: Army
has not passed for over 124 yards in any game all season, and only passed over
100 yards one other tim3—106 )
Summary:
This is a rivalry
that will elict both teams best performances. Both teams are being challenged to stop the
other teams rushing attack. This is the
season for both these teams, and I see them working on their weaknesses in this
one—both stopping the run, and Army not turning the ball over. Both these teams are equal in defense in my
opinion (regardless of rankings/yards allowed).
The real story here is the rushing offenses of both. Both offenses combined to score 0.79 pts per
minute, with Army expecting to control a few extra minutes of game clock—to which
their scoring average is less than Navy’s.
This would lead us to logically expect approximately 44-48 pts total in
this game. I lean towards Navy winning a
tight game (Army with a 42% chance at a SU victory). The line is much too tight for me to wager on
the side, but I think the opportunity lies in the Under. Then taking into account that Navy (season)
has averaged scored only 47.75% of their average game points in the first half
of their games, and Army has averaged scoring only 42.8 of their average game
totals in the first half………….. This is
an easy UNDER first half UNLESS Army turns the ball over multiple times in the first
half in Navy’s territory, and I just don’t see that happening is this type of
rivalry.
@ nc1capper… both offenses tend to be more productive in the
2nd halves, but if I had to play the game total I would run the
Under…but like the half much better. GL
@ dyamarik … GL my friend
@ UglyKidJoe…. Lol…thanks man
@ bikemcr…. Thank you Sir, I appreciate the sentiments…. I
will, and BoL Sir
@ PTOTOUR…. Excellent!!
@ The_BigDog….. me too!
GL
@ ISTATUS… your are welcome…and let’s do that!
@ the1andonly12…. And to you my friend ..
@ Cappyendings welcome aboard
@ tinfoils…………TINNNNNNN!!!!
You too brother!!
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@ nc1capper… both offenses tend to be more productive in the
2nd halves, but if I had to play the game total I would run the
Under…but like the half much better. GL
@ dyamarik … GL my friend
@ UglyKidJoe…. Lol…thanks man
@ bikemcr…. Thank you Sir, I appreciate the sentiments…. I
will, and BoL Sir
KScapping - love the math details. I do something similar with ranks of total off and def. along with sagarin ranks and sked strength, then i follow patterns. Based on this pattern, I see it being a tight game as you indicated and I actually can see Army winning it SU. Either way thanks and best of luck.
TB
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KScapping - love the math details. I do something similar with ranks of total off and def. along with sagarin ranks and sked strength, then i follow patterns. Based on this pattern, I see it being a tight game as you indicated and I actually can see Army winning it SU. Either way thanks and best of luck.
KScapping - love the math details. I do something similar with ranks of total off and def. along with sagarin ranks and sked strength, then i follow patterns. Based on this pattern, I see it being a tight game as you indicated and I actually can see Army winning it SU. Either way thanks and best of luck.
TB
Hi TheBuddah... sounds like we a 'kindred souls' in capping, please post that, or send it to me..I would love to read/see it... you are welcome and GL today (I have a small play on Army SU... chances are less than 50/50, but the EPQ (expected Profit Quotent) is profitable. Peace to you my friend!
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Quote Originally Posted by TheBuddah:
KScapping - love the math details. I do something similar with ranks of total off and def. along with sagarin ranks and sked strength, then i follow patterns. Based on this pattern, I see it being a tight game as you indicated and I actually can see Army winning it SU. Either way thanks and best of luck.
TB
Hi TheBuddah... sounds like we a 'kindred souls' in capping, please post that, or send it to me..I would love to read/see it... you are welcome and GL today (I have a small play on Army SU... chances are less than 50/50, but the EPQ (expected Profit Quotent) is profitable. Peace to you my friend!
KS, thanks for all your help here at covers, I have been a follower since thanksgiving. I have to make up my mind btw 1st half under or whole game under for the army game. What is the pros and cons in this matchup for the 1st h under / whole game under? thanks bol to all
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KS, thanks for all your help here at covers, I have been a follower since thanksgiving. I have to make up my mind btw 1st half under or whole game under for the army game. What is the pros and cons in this matchup for the 1st h under / whole game under? thanks bol to all
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