those who hold onto this idealized crap about how "every game in the regular season is a playoff," as support for the BCS system... i have a question for you...
do you believe that Alabama should get a shot at the title game, even if OSU beats OU?
and if so, how do you rationalize that with the fact that Alabama LOST their playoff game to LSU, and (if it happens), OSU would have WON their playoff game against OU... ?
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those who hold onto this idealized crap about how "every game in the regular season is a playoff," as support for the BCS system... i have a question for you...
do you believe that Alabama should get a shot at the title game, even if OSU beats OU?
and if so, how do you rationalize that with the fact that Alabama LOST their playoff game to LSU, and (if it happens), OSU would have WON their playoff game against OU... ?
nobody is going to respond to this, because there is no way you can intelligently argue against it...
let's be very clear: IF Oklahoma St beats OU... and Alabama gets into the BCS title game... ANYBODY WHO EVER MADE THE ARGUMENT THAT THE BCS SYSTEM WORKS BECAUSE EVERY GAME IS A PLAYOFF... IS OFFICIALLY DEAD ON A STICK WITH THIS ARGUMENT!
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nobody is going to respond to this, because there is no way you can intelligently argue against it...
let's be very clear: IF Oklahoma St beats OU... and Alabama gets into the BCS title game... ANYBODY WHO EVER MADE THE ARGUMENT THAT THE BCS SYSTEM WORKS BECAUSE EVERY GAME IS A PLAYOFF... IS OFFICIALLY DEAD ON A STICK WITH THIS ARGUMENT!
Okie st lost to IOWA ST!!!!!! give me a f***ing break. And dont give me the bullshit of it was after a tragedy. They blew a 24-7 lead. Those kids probably didnt even know they had a womens basketball team. When they are on the field shit like that doenst even cross your mind. Have you ever played organized sports. All that is on my mind is beating my opponent. Everybody had a chance to jump Bama and they lost so deal with it. How many more threads are you going to start about the same thing???
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Okie st lost to IOWA ST!!!!!! give me a f***ing break. And dont give me the bullshit of it was after a tragedy. They blew a 24-7 lead. Those kids probably didnt even know they had a womens basketball team. When they are on the field shit like that doenst even cross your mind. Have you ever played organized sports. All that is on my mind is beating my opponent. Everybody had a chance to jump Bama and they lost so deal with it. How many more threads are you going to start about the same thing???
Exactly. I freaking hate Alabama, but I can't even spin a scenario where anybody else should play in that title game. And thank you full calling bullshit on this women's basektball "tragedy" affecting the Cowboys' play in Ames. Please. Bama out-played the clear #1 team, missed like nine FG's and lost in OT. That's better than OK State.
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Exactly. I freaking hate Alabama, but I can't even spin a scenario where anybody else should play in that title game. And thank you full calling bullshit on this women's basektball "tragedy" affecting the Cowboys' play in Ames. Please. Bama out-played the clear #1 team, missed like nine FG's and lost in OT. That's better than OK State.
those who hold onto this idealized crap about how "every game in the regular season is a playoff," as support for the BCS system... i have a question for you...
do you believe that Alabama should get a shot at the title game, even if OSU beats OU?
and if so, how do you rationalize that with the fact that Alabama LOST their playoff game to LSU, and (if it happens), OSU would have WON their playoff game against OU... ?
Maybe I am a little slow, but you and many others are saying that if Okie State beats Oklahoma that they deserve a shot at LSU.. Why? you act as though Oklahoma is something special, a two loss Oklahoma team who lost as a 4 td favorite over Texas Tech, and then lost to Baylor.... What on earth makes them a stepping stone into the National Title game? And then lets move on to the one loss that Okie State has... Iowa State... Now if you really read this and think about it... I believe you will realize how rediculous your arguement is..
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Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:
those who hold onto this idealized crap about how "every game in the regular season is a playoff," as support for the BCS system... i have a question for you...
do you believe that Alabama should get a shot at the title game, even if OSU beats OU?
and if so, how do you rationalize that with the fact that Alabama LOST their playoff game to LSU, and (if it happens), OSU would have WON their playoff game against OU... ?
Maybe I am a little slow, but you and many others are saying that if Okie State beats Oklahoma that they deserve a shot at LSU.. Why? you act as though Oklahoma is something special, a two loss Oklahoma team who lost as a 4 td favorite over Texas Tech, and then lost to Baylor.... What on earth makes them a stepping stone into the National Title game? And then lets move on to the one loss that Okie State has... Iowa State... Now if you really read this and think about it... I believe you will realize how rediculous your arguement is..
if OkST would have lost 1 game and 1 game only to OU and not IOWA ST it would be a different story. Bama lost to LSU not Iowa st. That is the reason the bcs is in this mess Oklahoma st did this to themselves. you have a better argument being albama who lost to the #1 team in the nation, while oklahoma st lost to iowa st??? i mean come on man i am using logic 101
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if OkST would have lost 1 game and 1 game only to OU and not IOWA ST it would be a different story. Bama lost to LSU not Iowa st. That is the reason the bcs is in this mess Oklahoma st did this to themselves. you have a better argument being albama who lost to the #1 team in the nation, while oklahoma st lost to iowa st??? i mean come on man i am using logic 101
Maybe I am a little slow, but you and many others are saying that if Okie State beats Oklahoma that they deserve a shot at LSU.. Why? you act as though Oklahoma is something special, a two loss Oklahoma team who lost as a 4 td favorite over Texas Tech, and then lost to Baylor.... What on earth makes them a stepping stone into the National Title game? And then lets move on to the one loss that Okie State has... Iowa State... Now if you really read this and think about it... I believe you will realize how rediculous your arguement is..
i had respect for you, but i don't anymore... i'm gonna leave it at that... sorry man... you are brain-washed beyond repair...
and your last statement... is 100% false! not only do i KNOW my argument is not remotely ridiculous... but i KNOW that anybody who doesn't see the over-whelming validity of it is not in touch with reality...
like i said... this is not opinion... if you are saying every game is a playoff, then how can you say Alabama gets to go the NC game after losing their playoff game, over OSU who WON their playoff game, AND played a significantly more demanding schedule?
that's about as deluded of a perspective as i can imagine...
take a Logic course... they are available at your local community college... really isn't acceptable for a grown person in this day and age to not have a fundamental understanding of logic!
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Quote Originally Posted by tideman:
Maybe I am a little slow, but you and many others are saying that if Okie State beats Oklahoma that they deserve a shot at LSU.. Why? you act as though Oklahoma is something special, a two loss Oklahoma team who lost as a 4 td favorite over Texas Tech, and then lost to Baylor.... What on earth makes them a stepping stone into the National Title game? And then lets move on to the one loss that Okie State has... Iowa State... Now if you really read this and think about it... I believe you will realize how rediculous your arguement is..
i had respect for you, but i don't anymore... i'm gonna leave it at that... sorry man... you are brain-washed beyond repair...
and your last statement... is 100% false! not only do i KNOW my argument is not remotely ridiculous... but i KNOW that anybody who doesn't see the over-whelming validity of it is not in touch with reality...
like i said... this is not opinion... if you are saying every game is a playoff, then how can you say Alabama gets to go the NC game after losing their playoff game, over OSU who WON their playoff game, AND played a significantly more demanding schedule?
that's about as deluded of a perspective as i can imagine...
take a Logic course... they are available at your local community college... really isn't acceptable for a grown person in this day and age to not have a fundamental understanding of logic!
if OkST would have lost 1 game and 1 game only to OU and not IOWA ST it would be a different story. Bama lost to LSU not Iowa st. That is the reason the bcs is in this mess Oklahoma st did this to themselves. you have a better argument being albama who lost to the #1 team in the nation, while oklahoma st lost to iowa st??? i mean come on man i am using logic 101
guys! wake the fuck up!
all of last year, SEC dick-suckers used the argument that Boise shouldn't be allowed to play in the NC game over an SEC team, because the SEC teams "CAN'T TAKE A WEEK OFF"...
well, now that argument is being thrown back in your very short-sighted, closed-minded, brain-washed, ignorant faces! and how do you respond? by taking the exact OPPOSITE position... because Alabama has been getting to take a week off every other fucking week!
none of you gives a rats ass about reality or the truth... YOU ONLY CARE ABOUT DEFENDING YOUR POSITION AT ALL COSTS, and against ALL REALITY!... that's called "ignorance"...
i say this constantly, and if you know me you have to know this by now... I HAVE NO BIAS AT ALL IN CFB!
NONE! i couldn't give a shit about a single team in CFB, or what conference they come from... i care ONLY about reality... i am in this to make money, not to protect my precious affiliation to my team or conference...
i don't give a fuck about the Big 12... BUT
anybody who denies reality when it is thrown in their face is ignorant BY DEFINITION!
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Quote Originally Posted by winner2:
if OkST would have lost 1 game and 1 game only to OU and not IOWA ST it would be a different story. Bama lost to LSU not Iowa st. That is the reason the bcs is in this mess Oklahoma st did this to themselves. you have a better argument being albama who lost to the #1 team in the nation, while oklahoma st lost to iowa st??? i mean come on man i am using logic 101
guys! wake the fuck up!
all of last year, SEC dick-suckers used the argument that Boise shouldn't be allowed to play in the NC game over an SEC team, because the SEC teams "CAN'T TAKE A WEEK OFF"...
well, now that argument is being thrown back in your very short-sighted, closed-minded, brain-washed, ignorant faces! and how do you respond? by taking the exact OPPOSITE position... because Alabama has been getting to take a week off every other fucking week!
none of you gives a rats ass about reality or the truth... YOU ONLY CARE ABOUT DEFENDING YOUR POSITION AT ALL COSTS, and against ALL REALITY!... that's called "ignorance"...
i say this constantly, and if you know me you have to know this by now... I HAVE NO BIAS AT ALL IN CFB!
NONE! i couldn't give a shit about a single team in CFB, or what conference they come from... i care ONLY about reality... i am in this to make money, not to protect my precious affiliation to my team or conference...
i don't give a fuck about the Big 12... BUT
anybody who denies reality when it is thrown in their face is ignorant BY DEFINITION!
seriously man... anybody with half a brain knows they cannot win this argument... anybody who has ever taken a course in Logic or Critical thinking knows they cannot win this argument...
i have previously given Maine the benefit of the doubt, because the guy is an established member of this site... but no more! you have issues!
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seriously man... anybody with half a brain knows they cannot win this argument... anybody who has ever taken a course in Logic or Critical thinking knows they cannot win this argument...
i have previously given Maine the benefit of the doubt, because the guy is an established member of this site... but no more! you have issues!
to simply continue to fall back on the Iowa St argument and refuse all of the evidence in front of you is horseshit!
because i can just as easily go the other way, pointing out Alabama's lack of impressive wins... which is exactly the argument ALL SEC fans used last year against Boise (prior to the Nevada game, of course)...
if Boise had won that, they would have said Boise has only 1 impressive win (vs. VT), just like Bama only has 1 impressive win (vs. Arky)... they said Bama doesn't get the luxury of taking a week off, like Boise does...
well, here we are again... your argument is now being thrown back in your face, and you are now flip-flopping your argument...
people who argue a point not to get to the bottom of the truth, but simply to defend the position they value the most, are one of the biggest contributors to the destruction of our country and our species right now...
if you do not WORSHIP reality and truth above all else... then you are a LIABILITY to our species!
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to simply continue to fall back on the Iowa St argument and refuse all of the evidence in front of you is horseshit!
because i can just as easily go the other way, pointing out Alabama's lack of impressive wins... which is exactly the argument ALL SEC fans used last year against Boise (prior to the Nevada game, of course)...
if Boise had won that, they would have said Boise has only 1 impressive win (vs. VT), just like Bama only has 1 impressive win (vs. Arky)... they said Bama doesn't get the luxury of taking a week off, like Boise does...
well, here we are again... your argument is now being thrown back in your face, and you are now flip-flopping your argument...
people who argue a point not to get to the bottom of the truth, but simply to defend the position they value the most, are one of the biggest contributors to the destruction of our country and our species right now...
if you do not WORSHIP reality and truth above all else... then you are a LIABILITY to our species!
those who hold onto this idealized crap about how "every game in the regular season is a playoff," as support for the BCS system... i have a question for you...
do you believe that Alabama should get a shot at the title game, even if OSU beats OU?
and if so, how do you rationalize that with the fact that Alabama LOST their playoff game to LSU, and (if it happens), OSU would have WON their playoff game against OU... ?
There are more formats of "playoffs" than just single elimination. There is also double-elimination, round-robins, or exotic format playoffs.
If it is a round robin format, one loss can be a winner (if there is an undefeated team) or it can win easily (if every other team is around .500) and you play 7+ games.
Specific to Bama, when they lost to LSU they lost control of their own destiny to win the BCS. Luckily for them the other teams (Oregon, Stanford and OK St) could not keep winning.
But you can still have a
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Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:
those who hold onto this idealized crap about how "every game in the regular season is a playoff," as support for the BCS system... i have a question for you...
do you believe that Alabama should get a shot at the title game, even if OSU beats OU?
and if so, how do you rationalize that with the fact that Alabama LOST their playoff game to LSU, and (if it happens), OSU would have WON their playoff game against OU... ?
There are more formats of "playoffs" than just single elimination. There is also double-elimination, round-robins, or exotic format playoffs.
If it is a round robin format, one loss can be a winner (if there is an undefeated team) or it can win easily (if every other team is around .500) and you play 7+ games.
Specific to Bama, when they lost to LSU they lost control of their own destiny to win the BCS. Luckily for them the other teams (Oregon, Stanford and OK St) could not keep winning.
You are confusing "Single Elimination" with "Playoffs".
"Single Elimination" is a format, where if you lose once you are out.
"Playoffs" is a competition to crown a champion.
Playoffs can be single elimination or it can be another format. There are more formats of "playoffs" than just single elimination.
There is also double-elimination, round-robins, or exotic format
playoffs.
If it is a round robin format, one loss can be a loser (if there is an undefeated team) or it can win easily (if every other
team is around .500) and you play 7+ games.
Specific to Bama,
when they lost to LSU they lost control of their own destiny to win the
BCS. Luckily for them the other teams (Oregon, Stanford and OK St)
could not keep winning. This is very similar to a round-robin format where you root for the team you lost to to lose.
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I fouled up that previous post.
You are confusing "Single Elimination" with "Playoffs".
"Single Elimination" is a format, where if you lose once you are out.
"Playoffs" is a competition to crown a champion.
Playoffs can be single elimination or it can be another format. There are more formats of "playoffs" than just single elimination.
There is also double-elimination, round-robins, or exotic format
playoffs.
If it is a round robin format, one loss can be a loser (if there is an undefeated team) or it can win easily (if every other
team is around .500) and you play 7+ games.
Specific to Bama,
when they lost to LSU they lost control of their own destiny to win the
BCS. Luckily for them the other teams (Oregon, Stanford and OK St)
could not keep winning. This is very similar to a round-robin format where you root for the team you lost to to lose.
As I said in another one of these threads, crown LSU.........they've already beaten everyone they need to beat
Ok St. has no one to blame but themselves............................& the voters. Had they taken care of biz vs ISU they'd be in........no doubt. But because they didn't it doesn't matter that they played a tougher schedule than anyone in the top 10.........the voters are comparing only losses.
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As I said in another one of these threads, crown LSU.........they've already beaten everyone they need to beat
Ok St. has no one to blame but themselves............................& the voters. Had they taken care of biz vs ISU they'd be in........no doubt. But because they didn't it doesn't matter that they played a tougher schedule than anyone in the top 10.........the voters are comparing only losses.
i had respect for you, but i don't anymore... i'm gonna leave it at that... sorry man... you are brain-washed beyond repair...
and your last statement... is 100% false! not only do i KNOW my argument is not remotely ridiculous... but i KNOW that anybody who doesn't see the over-whelming validity of it is not in touch with reality...
like i said... this is not opinion... if you are saying every game is a playoff, then how can you say Alabama gets to go the NC game after losing their playoff game, over OSU who WON their playoff game, AND played a significantly more demanding schedule?
that's about as deluded of a perspective as i can imagine...
take a Logic course... they are available at your local community college... really isn't acceptable for a grown person in this day and age to not have a fundamental understanding of logic!
A couple of things Ice
let me ask you this, when Oklahoma beats Okie State, who is next down the list that will be more deserving than Bama? Houston? Oregon? or maybe Oklahoma since they will have beaten the mighty Okie State. When Bama lost to LSU, there were many teams who, if they had taken care of business would be in great shape for a shot, BUT they didn't... all of those teams got beat by the likes of Iowa State, Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU, and USC.... much different than losing to LSU by three in overtime,
I also appreciate the info on where I can take some logic classes... may check that out... and then maybe I can be smart enough to make numerous idiotic threads like you have done over the last several days
And to finish up, as far as you not respecting me anymore, because we don't see eye to eye, well I doubt I will lose any sleep over it, but If I do, I'll be sure to let you know...
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Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:
i had respect for you, but i don't anymore... i'm gonna leave it at that... sorry man... you are brain-washed beyond repair...
and your last statement... is 100% false! not only do i KNOW my argument is not remotely ridiculous... but i KNOW that anybody who doesn't see the over-whelming validity of it is not in touch with reality...
like i said... this is not opinion... if you are saying every game is a playoff, then how can you say Alabama gets to go the NC game after losing their playoff game, over OSU who WON their playoff game, AND played a significantly more demanding schedule?
that's about as deluded of a perspective as i can imagine...
take a Logic course... they are available at your local community college... really isn't acceptable for a grown person in this day and age to not have a fundamental understanding of logic!
A couple of things Ice
let me ask you this, when Oklahoma beats Okie State, who is next down the list that will be more deserving than Bama? Houston? Oregon? or maybe Oklahoma since they will have beaten the mighty Okie State. When Bama lost to LSU, there were many teams who, if they had taken care of business would be in great shape for a shot, BUT they didn't... all of those teams got beat by the likes of Iowa State, Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU, and USC.... much different than losing to LSU by three in overtime,
I also appreciate the info on where I can take some logic classes... may check that out... and then maybe I can be smart enough to make numerous idiotic threads like you have done over the last several days
And to finish up, as far as you not respecting me anymore, because we don't see eye to eye, well I doubt I will lose any sleep over it, but If I do, I'll be sure to let you know...
tideman this ass clown will then say Vtech deserves to go after the Sooners beat Okie light...we will then see 10 different threads from him about it...
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tideman this ass clown will then say Vtech deserves to go after the Sooners beat Okie light...we will then see 10 different threads from him about it...
I didn't realize there were any proponents of the current BCS. Does that animal even exist?
I prefer the current system over any playoff format I've heard on this forum. If we set up an 8 team playoff today using the BCS, Arkansas and Boise St. would get in and Oregon and Oklahoma would be left out. Not sure I agree that the best 8 teams would get in.
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Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:
I didn't realize there were any proponents of the current BCS. Does that animal even exist?
I prefer the current system over any playoff format I've heard on this forum. If we set up an 8 team playoff today using the BCS, Arkansas and Boise St. would get in and Oregon and Oklahoma would be left out. Not sure I agree that the best 8 teams would get in.
and let's be even more clear... this isn't opinion... this is LOGIC 101...
YOU CANNOT argue this truth!
This is a game. You are fighting for logic. What logic? What truth, man?
This is politics and power. There is truth and logic in that. Who has benefitted from the BCS? WHO HAS BENEFITTED FROM THE (current arrangement of) BCS?
There is the power (the truth and the logic you seek).
These idiots only want to be on the right side of the spread, but they aren't connected to power to know what's goin' down. That's it. Nothin' more.
If it were the Big 12 with all the power (and the SEC were left out) what tune would YOU be singing right now?
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Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:
and let's be even more clear... this isn't opinion... this is LOGIC 101...
YOU CANNOT argue this truth!
This is a game. You are fighting for logic. What logic? What truth, man?
This is politics and power. There is truth and logic in that. Who has benefitted from the BCS? WHO HAS BENEFITTED FROM THE (current arrangement of) BCS?
There is the power (the truth and the logic you seek).
These idiots only want to be on the right side of the spread, but they aren't connected to power to know what's goin' down. That's it. Nothin' more.
If it were the Big 12 with all the power (and the SEC were left out) what tune would YOU be singing right now?
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well I doubt I will lose any sleep over it, but If I do, I'll be sure to let you know...
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