so if both Utah and Oklahoma win their games this week somewhat comfortably say between 7 to 14 points who of those 2 get in for the 4th playoff seed(of course assuming Georgia losses to LSU)? .. also if Ohio st beats Wisconsin comfortably are they a lock to be the #1 seed in the playoff or is LSU assuming they trash Georgia still alive for the #1 seed? .. last question Clemson should spank Virginia but are they playing for anything except being locked in to the #2 or #3 seed? thanks
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so if both Utah and Oklahoma win their games this week somewhat comfortably say between 7 to 14 points who of those 2 get in for the 4th playoff seed(of course assuming Georgia losses to LSU)? .. also if Ohio st beats Wisconsin comfortably are they a lock to be the #1 seed in the playoff or is LSU assuming they trash Georgia still alive for the #1 seed? .. last question Clemson should spank Virginia but are they playing for anything except being locked in to the #2 or #3 seed? thanks
Really tough question! I honestly lean towards Utah.
Both OU and Utah lost to teams that are now 8-4 so it's hard to compare their one loss. I just like the way Utah has finished the season in dominating fashion and went into Washington and got a good win on the road. Since the USC loss, they have absolutely destroyed the competition other than the Washington game, which can be a tough place to go into and get a win.
Oklahoma on the other hand followed the K-State loss with a 1 point victory vs Iowa State, a 3 point victory over Baylor, a 4 point win over TCU, before closing with an 18 point win over OKState. Now, maybe that Big 12 slate is slightly tougher than the PAC 12. Utah closed on an 8-0 run and only gave up more than 20 points once. Utah's average margin of victory was 29 points over that span.
If OSU and LSU win, yes, Clemson is playing just to secure that #3 spot. I'm not sure margin of victory even matters; they won't drop them to #4 in favor of Utah or the Big12 winner.
It'll make things really exciting though if LSU, OSU, or both lose this weekend. Then all hell will break loose
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Really tough question! I honestly lean towards Utah.
Both OU and Utah lost to teams that are now 8-4 so it's hard to compare their one loss. I just like the way Utah has finished the season in dominating fashion and went into Washington and got a good win on the road. Since the USC loss, they have absolutely destroyed the competition other than the Washington game, which can be a tough place to go into and get a win.
Oklahoma on the other hand followed the K-State loss with a 1 point victory vs Iowa State, a 3 point victory over Baylor, a 4 point win over TCU, before closing with an 18 point win over OKState. Now, maybe that Big 12 slate is slightly tougher than the PAC 12. Utah closed on an 8-0 run and only gave up more than 20 points once. Utah's average margin of victory was 29 points over that span.
If OSU and LSU win, yes, Clemson is playing just to secure that #3 spot. I'm not sure margin of victory even matters; they won't drop them to #4 in favor of Utah or the Big12 winner.
It'll make things really exciting though if LSU, OSU, or both lose this weekend. Then all hell will break loose
Nobody knows what the committee is thinking. But...…………...
I agree with DU4L that Utah gets in ONLY with an impressive win on Friday nite
And if Georgia wins we all know who the four teams are in the playoffs. But I, in the minority, thinks if Clemson loses this weekend they will drop out of the playoffs. Comments welcome if the Tigers loses to Virginia
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Nobody knows what the committee is thinking. But...…………...
I agree with DU4L that Utah gets in ONLY with an impressive win on Friday nite
And if Georgia wins we all know who the four teams are in the playoffs. But I, in the minority, thinks if Clemson loses this weekend they will drop out of the playoffs. Comments welcome if the Tigers loses to Virginia
I think the Committee sees Oklahoma for what they are. A lucky team that struggles to put most teams away. If they can keep Ohio State out the last few years with 'damning' losses to Iowa and Purdue, the Sooners loss to KState is in the same category.
From a betting standpoint, I'd love to see the Sooners in against any of top 3 because they will get picked apart.
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I think the Committee sees Oklahoma for what they are. A lucky team that struggles to put most teams away. If they can keep Ohio State out the last few years with 'damning' losses to Iowa and Purdue, the Sooners loss to KState is in the same category.
From a betting standpoint, I'd love to see the Sooners in against any of top 3 because they will get picked apart.
Nobody knows what the committee is thinking. But...…………... I agree with DU4L that Utah gets in ONLY with an impressive win on Friday nite And if Georgia wins we all know who the four teams are in the playoffs. But I, in the minority, thinks if Clemson loses this weekend they will drop out of the playoffs. Comments welcome if the Tigers loses to Virginia
Duh...Ofcourse if Clemson loses they are out...Who have they beat all year..noone.
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Quote Originally Posted by mjm1012:
Nobody knows what the committee is thinking. But...…………... I agree with DU4L that Utah gets in ONLY with an impressive win on Friday nite And if Georgia wins we all know who the four teams are in the playoffs. But I, in the minority, thinks if Clemson loses this weekend they will drop out of the playoffs. Comments welcome if the Tigers loses to Virginia
Duh...Ofcourse if Clemson loses they are out...Who have they beat all year..noone.
IMO, Utah has no chance whatsoever, because they are too small a market. I think OK beats them out easily, and the SEC loser would also beat them out. I hope I'm wrong, because I like the way Utah plays (not saying they have a good chance to win it all), but that is how I see it.
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IMO, Utah has no chance whatsoever, because they are too small a market. I think OK beats them out easily, and the SEC loser would also beat them out. I hope I'm wrong, because I like the way Utah plays (not saying they have a good chance to win it all), but that is how I see it.
IMO, Utah has no chance whatsoever, because they are too small a market. I think OK beats them out easily, and the SEC loser would also beat them out. I hope I'm wrong, because I like the way Utah plays (not saying they have a good chance to win it all), but that is how I see it.
Agree I think Utah is screwed either way ...Which sucks because I'd love to see them play one of the top 3 big boys ....Moss would be a handful ....
Do you think a Baylor Win would have the Bears in the playoff ????
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Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:
IMO, Utah has no chance whatsoever, because they are too small a market. I think OK beats them out easily, and the SEC loser would also beat them out. I hope I'm wrong, because I like the way Utah plays (not saying they have a good chance to win it all), but that is how I see it.
Agree I think Utah is screwed either way ...Which sucks because I'd love to see them play one of the top 3 big boys ....Moss would be a handful ....
Do you think a Baylor Win would have the Bears in the playoff ????
Agree I think Utah is screwed either way ...Which sucks because I'd love to see them play one of the top 3 big boys ....Moss would be a handful ....
Do you think a Baylor Win would have the Bears in the playoff ????
If Georgia beats LSU, they are both in. Assuming Georgia loses:
If OK wins, they are in
If LSU wins a close game, and OK loses, Georgia is in
If LSU wins a blowout and OK loses, then it is a tossup between Baylor and Utah. I think you have to give the nod to Utah because they have been ranked higher all year, but who knows, probably depends on margin of victory
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Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:
Agree I think Utah is screwed either way ...Which sucks because I'd love to see them play one of the top 3 big boys ....Moss would be a handful ....
Do you think a Baylor Win would have the Bears in the playoff ????
If Georgia beats LSU, they are both in. Assuming Georgia loses:
If OK wins, they are in
If LSU wins a close game, and OK loses, Georgia is in
If LSU wins a blowout and OK loses, then it is a tossup between Baylor and Utah. I think you have to give the nod to Utah because they have been ranked higher all year, but who knows, probably depends on margin of victory
OK will have beaten top 10 Baylor twice....Texas when it was a top 15 team.....Utah will have beaten a top 15 Oregon.....Barely top 25 UW....... B12 is stronger conference than the Pac12 overall. OK will have the more quality wins....
Texas was never a top 25 all year long.
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Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:
OK will have beaten top 10 Baylor twice....Texas when it was a top 15 team.....Utah will have beaten a top 15 Oregon.....Barely top 25 UW....... B12 is stronger conference than the Pac12 overall. OK will have the more quality wins....
If Georgia beats LSU, they are both in. Assuming Georgia loses:
If OK wins, they are in
If LSU wins a close game, and OK loses, Georgia is in
If LSU wins a blowout and OK loses, then it is a tossup between Baylor and Utah. I think you have to give the nod to Utah because they have been ranked higher all year, but who knows, probably depends on margin of victory
agree with Thorpe 100% except i think if Georgia losses even on a last second hail mary with 2 losses they will be out .. Utah only chance is Georgia loss, beat Oregon comfortably and Baylor sneaks by Choklahoma on a last second field goal to win 30 to 28 .. probably only scenario for Utah to sneak in
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Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:
If Georgia beats LSU, they are both in. Assuming Georgia loses:
If OK wins, they are in
If LSU wins a close game, and OK loses, Georgia is in
If LSU wins a blowout and OK loses, then it is a tossup between Baylor and Utah. I think you have to give the nod to Utah because they have been ranked higher all year, but who knows, probably depends on margin of victory
agree with Thorpe 100% except i think if Georgia losses even on a last second hail mary with 2 losses they will be out .. Utah only chance is Georgia loss, beat Oregon comfortably and Baylor sneaks by Choklahoma on a last second field goal to win 30 to 28 .. probably only scenario for Utah to sneak in
Heard the idea somewhere - why not do away with the conference championship games and add a round (i.e. going to 6 or 8 teams) to the playoff. For starters, there is no way conferences do that...they would be unwilling to give up the from their championship games. This weekend is essentially just a playoff round anyway...8 of the Top 10 are playing in championship weekend, but it certainly sucks that the committee decides who advances instead of decided on the field. Hopefully, we get to 6 or 8 soon b/c 4 is too narrow a field...6 or 8 would be perfect...going back to 11 game regular season seems reasonable to allow for this.
Anyway, as far as the scenarios, I agree with the majority of the posters above...we all know what happens if UGA beats LSU, assuming chalk though, I'd agree Okie gets in over Utah. Even though I think Utah is the much better team (and i'm sitting on a Utah to make the playoff future ticket), the B12 is a tougher conference and I'm guessing the committee overlooks the narrow wins Okie has had recently and just focuses on SOS. Also, just for more new blood it would be nice to see Utah or Baylor get in.
I think ideal match-ups for us fans would be OSU vs. LSU and Clemson vs. ?? Utah. That honestly might be best...don't think Hurts would be able to deal w/ Clemson Def...balance attack and defense of Utah might be more of a challenge for them. Maybe i'm drinking too much Utes kool-aid.
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Heard the idea somewhere - why not do away with the conference championship games and add a round (i.e. going to 6 or 8 teams) to the playoff. For starters, there is no way conferences do that...they would be unwilling to give up the from their championship games. This weekend is essentially just a playoff round anyway...8 of the Top 10 are playing in championship weekend, but it certainly sucks that the committee decides who advances instead of decided on the field. Hopefully, we get to 6 or 8 soon b/c 4 is too narrow a field...6 or 8 would be perfect...going back to 11 game regular season seems reasonable to allow for this.
Anyway, as far as the scenarios, I agree with the majority of the posters above...we all know what happens if UGA beats LSU, assuming chalk though, I'd agree Okie gets in over Utah. Even though I think Utah is the much better team (and i'm sitting on a Utah to make the playoff future ticket), the B12 is a tougher conference and I'm guessing the committee overlooks the narrow wins Okie has had recently and just focuses on SOS. Also, just for more new blood it would be nice to see Utah or Baylor get in.
I think ideal match-ups for us fans would be OSU vs. LSU and Clemson vs. ?? Utah. That honestly might be best...don't think Hurts would be able to deal w/ Clemson Def...balance attack and defense of Utah might be more of a challenge for them. Maybe i'm drinking too much Utes kool-aid.
Utah has had the benefit of a pretty soft schedule. Im not buying victories over Idaho State, Arizona, NIU, Colorado, or UCLA. Those teams havent shown much this year. Even their “good” wins vs Washington, ASU, BYU, and Cal arent that impressive. I think the Big 12 was much more legit this year than it has been in a LONG time. Teams like Iowa State, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, and Oklahoma St are better than their record suggest and Id bet they’d all give Utah a run for their money. In general, I think the Big 12 is just a better conference than the pac12 this year. So while everyone is enamored with Utah, they forget the MAIN REASON Utah was picked to make the playoff was because of that schedule. They are a talented team but I put them on same tier as teams like Michigan, Baylor, Virginia, Vtech, hell even Minnesota or South Carolina!! Those are teams that Utah can matchup with and play an interesting game. If we are talking about TOP TIER teams, Utah just isnt there. I dont see the benefit of putting Utah in the playoff to get their asses kicked. Oklahoma has just flat-out played better teams.
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My input on this is...
Utah has had the benefit of a pretty soft schedule. Im not buying victories over Idaho State, Arizona, NIU, Colorado, or UCLA. Those teams havent shown much this year. Even their “good” wins vs Washington, ASU, BYU, and Cal arent that impressive. I think the Big 12 was much more legit this year than it has been in a LONG time. Teams like Iowa State, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, and Oklahoma St are better than their record suggest and Id bet they’d all give Utah a run for their money. In general, I think the Big 12 is just a better conference than the pac12 this year. So while everyone is enamored with Utah, they forget the MAIN REASON Utah was picked to make the playoff was because of that schedule. They are a talented team but I put them on same tier as teams like Michigan, Baylor, Virginia, Vtech, hell even Minnesota or South Carolina!! Those are teams that Utah can matchup with and play an interesting game. If we are talking about TOP TIER teams, Utah just isnt there. I dont see the benefit of putting Utah in the playoff to get their asses kicked. Oklahoma has just flat-out played better teams.
OK will have beaten top 10 Baylor twice....Texas when it was a top 15 team.....Utah will have beaten a top 15 Oregon.....Barely top 25 UW....... B12 is stronger conference than the Pac12 overall. OK will have the more quality wins....
Key word: WAS (as in past tense)
I've never understood this "Team A beat Team B when Team B was ranked". It logically makes no sense whatsoever. UCF, Nebraska, and Syracuse were ranked when the season started. Would a win over those teams now be considered valuable at all? Anything except the final rankings is a complete and total guess at how good a team is. We now know that both Texas and Texas A&M aren't as good of wins as previously thought.
There should be exactly no value in preseason polls just as there should be no value in beating a team that used to be ranked way back when.
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Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:
OK will have beaten top 10 Baylor twice....Texas when it was a top 15 team.....Utah will have beaten a top 15 Oregon.....Barely top 25 UW....... B12 is stronger conference than the Pac12 overall. OK will have the more quality wins....
Key word: WAS (as in past tense)
I've never understood this "Team A beat Team B when Team B was ranked". It logically makes no sense whatsoever. UCF, Nebraska, and Syracuse were ranked when the season started. Would a win over those teams now be considered valuable at all? Anything except the final rankings is a complete and total guess at how good a team is. We now know that both Texas and Texas A&M aren't as good of wins as previously thought.
There should be exactly no value in preseason polls just as there should be no value in beating a team that used to be ranked way back when.
OK will have beaten top 10 Baylor twice....Texas when it was a top 15 team.....Utah will have beaten a top 15 Oregon.....Barely top 25 UW....... B12 is stronger conference than the Pac12 overall. OK will have the more quality wins....
Key word: WAS (as in past tense) I've never understood this "Team A beat Team B when Team B was ranked". It logically makes no sense whatsoever. UCF, Nebraska, and Syracuse were ranked when the season started. Would a win over those teams now be considered valuable at all? Anything except the final rankings is a complete and total guess at how good a team is. We now know that both Texas and Texas A&M aren't as good of wins as previously thought. There should be exactly no value in preseason polls just as there should be no value in beating a team that used to be ranked way back when.
At the time they played them they were ranked #11 in the country........So I guess LSU has NO top 5 wins then...Were is Bama now? You know Texas has a ton of injuries right...
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Quote Originally Posted by GamblinDAWG:
Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:
OK will have beaten top 10 Baylor twice....Texas when it was a top 15 team.....Utah will have beaten a top 15 Oregon.....Barely top 25 UW....... B12 is stronger conference than the Pac12 overall. OK will have the more quality wins....
Key word: WAS (as in past tense) I've never understood this "Team A beat Team B when Team B was ranked". It logically makes no sense whatsoever. UCF, Nebraska, and Syracuse were ranked when the season started. Would a win over those teams now be considered valuable at all? Anything except the final rankings is a complete and total guess at how good a team is. We now know that both Texas and Texas A&M aren't as good of wins as previously thought. There should be exactly no value in preseason polls just as there should be no value in beating a team that used to be ranked way back when.
At the time they played them they were ranked #11 in the country........So I guess LSU has NO top 5 wins then...Were is Bama now? You know Texas has a ton of injuries right...
OK will have beaten top 10 Baylor twice....Texas when it was a top 15 team.....Utah will have beaten a top 15 Oregon.....Barely top 25 UW....... B12 is stronger conference than the Pac12 overall. OK will have the more quality wins....
Key word: WAS (as in past tense) I've never understood this "Team A beat Team B when Team B was ranked". It logically makes no sense whatsoever. UCF, Nebraska, and Syracuse were ranked when the season started. Would a win over those teams now be considered valuable at all? Anything except the final rankings is a complete and total guess at how good a team is. We now know that both Texas and Texas A&M aren't as good of wins as previously thought. There should be exactly no value in preseason polls just as there should be no value in beating a team that used to be ranked way back when.
Texas was down 5 with 2 minutes to go vs LSU in the 4th quarter..before LSU got a very late TD on a 60 yard play..
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Quote Originally Posted by GamblinDAWG:
Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:
OK will have beaten top 10 Baylor twice....Texas when it was a top 15 team.....Utah will have beaten a top 15 Oregon.....Barely top 25 UW....... B12 is stronger conference than the Pac12 overall. OK will have the more quality wins....
Key word: WAS (as in past tense) I've never understood this "Team A beat Team B when Team B was ranked". It logically makes no sense whatsoever. UCF, Nebraska, and Syracuse were ranked when the season started. Would a win over those teams now be considered valuable at all? Anything except the final rankings is a complete and total guess at how good a team is. We now know that both Texas and Texas A&M aren't as good of wins as previously thought. There should be exactly no value in preseason polls just as there should be no value in beating a team that used to be ranked way back when.
Texas was down 5 with 2 minutes to go vs LSU in the 4th quarter..before LSU got a very late TD on a 60 yard play..
OK will have beaten top 10 Baylor twice....Texas when it was a top 15 team.....Utah will have beaten a top 15 Oregon.....Barely top 25 UW....... B12 is stronger conference than the Pac12 overall. OK will have the more quality wins....
Key word: WAS (as in past tense) I've never understood this "Team A beat Team B when Team B was ranked". It logically makes no sense whatsoever. UCF, Nebraska, and Syracuse were ranked when the season started. Would a win over those teams now be considered valuable at all? Anything except the final rankings is a complete and total guess at how good a team is. We now know that both Texas and Texas A&M aren't as good of wins as previously thought. There should be exactly no value in preseason polls just as there should be no value in beating a team that used to be ranked way back when.
Texas was down 5 with 2 minutes to go vs LSU in the 4th quarter..before LSU got a very late TD on a 60 yard play..
And? Was it an off game for LSU? Texas' secondary was depleted during that game as well; if anything, they should have gotten better and they didn't. The fact remains that Texas isn't as good as we once thought.
When I look at LSU's resume now, I don't factor that Texas game in as highly as I did then. Things change. Just like Clemson's win over a then-ranked Texas A&M; it no longer resonates as highly as it did then. Every time A&M played a ranked team, they got slapped around.
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Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:
Quote Originally Posted by GamblinDAWG:
Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:
OK will have beaten top 10 Baylor twice....Texas when it was a top 15 team.....Utah will have beaten a top 15 Oregon.....Barely top 25 UW....... B12 is stronger conference than the Pac12 overall. OK will have the more quality wins....
Key word: WAS (as in past tense) I've never understood this "Team A beat Team B when Team B was ranked". It logically makes no sense whatsoever. UCF, Nebraska, and Syracuse were ranked when the season started. Would a win over those teams now be considered valuable at all? Anything except the final rankings is a complete and total guess at how good a team is. We now know that both Texas and Texas A&M aren't as good of wins as previously thought. There should be exactly no value in preseason polls just as there should be no value in beating a team that used to be ranked way back when.
Texas was down 5 with 2 minutes to go vs LSU in the 4th quarter..before LSU got a very late TD on a 60 yard play..
And? Was it an off game for LSU? Texas' secondary was depleted during that game as well; if anything, they should have gotten better and they didn't. The fact remains that Texas isn't as good as we once thought.
When I look at LSU's resume now, I don't factor that Texas game in as highly as I did then. Things change. Just like Clemson's win over a then-ranked Texas A&M; it no longer resonates as highly as it did then. Every time A&M played a ranked team, they got slapped around.
Note: My opinion is based soley on what my eyes have seen. I live on west coast and watch a lot of pac12 ball. The Pac 12 North is pathetic this year with teams like Stanford and Washington on down year. And the South has been OK but you have 9 out of 12 teams BELOW .500 in the pac 12. That says a lot. The big 12 has double the amount of teams over .500
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Note: My opinion is based soley on what my eyes have seen. I live on west coast and watch a lot of pac12 ball. The Pac 12 North is pathetic this year with teams like Stanford and Washington on down year. And the South has been OK but you have 9 out of 12 teams BELOW .500 in the pac 12. That says a lot. The big 12 has double the amount of teams over .500
OK will have beaten top 10 Baylor twice....Texas when it was a top 15 team.....Utah will have beaten a top 15 Oregon.....Barely top 25 UW....... B12 is stronger conference than the Pac12 overall. OK will have the more quality wins....
Key word: WAS (as in past tense) I've never understood this "Team A beat Team B when Team B was ranked". It logically makes no sense whatsoever. UCF, Nebraska, and Syracuse were ranked when the season started. Would a win over those teams now be considered valuable at all? Anything except the final rankings is a complete and total guess at how good a team is. We now know that both Texas and Texas A&M aren't as good of wins as previously thought. There should be exactly no value in preseason polls just as there should be no value in beating a team that used to be ranked way back when.
Texas was down 5 with 2 minutes to go vs LSU in the 4th quarter..before LSU got a very late TD on a 60 yard play..
And? Was it an off game for LSU? Texas' secondary was depleted during that game as well; if anything, they should have gotten better and they didn't. The fact remains that Texas isn't as good as we once thought. When I look at LSU's resume now, I don't factor that Texas game in as highly as I did then. Things change. Just like Clemson's win over a then-ranked Texas A&M; it no longer resonates as highly as it did then. Every time A&M played a ranked team, they got slapped around.
So what are u crying about then? OK at the time they have played their opponents will have played 3 top 11 teams...Utah at the time the have played their opponents will have played only Oregon who is #13...Next highest is ASU #17....Then UW #25 at the time....They both have 1 loss so if they both win out...OK has the better overall resume...Really no case for UTAH.. Oregon Shiit the bed....and it is what it is..PAC 12 has beaten nobody in out of conference play..
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Quote Originally Posted by GamblinDAWG:
Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:
Quote Originally Posted by GamblinDAWG:
Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:
OK will have beaten top 10 Baylor twice....Texas when it was a top 15 team.....Utah will have beaten a top 15 Oregon.....Barely top 25 UW....... B12 is stronger conference than the Pac12 overall. OK will have the more quality wins....
Key word: WAS (as in past tense) I've never understood this "Team A beat Team B when Team B was ranked". It logically makes no sense whatsoever. UCF, Nebraska, and Syracuse were ranked when the season started. Would a win over those teams now be considered valuable at all? Anything except the final rankings is a complete and total guess at how good a team is. We now know that both Texas and Texas A&M aren't as good of wins as previously thought. There should be exactly no value in preseason polls just as there should be no value in beating a team that used to be ranked way back when.
Texas was down 5 with 2 minutes to go vs LSU in the 4th quarter..before LSU got a very late TD on a 60 yard play..
And? Was it an off game for LSU? Texas' secondary was depleted during that game as well; if anything, they should have gotten better and they didn't. The fact remains that Texas isn't as good as we once thought. When I look at LSU's resume now, I don't factor that Texas game in as highly as I did then. Things change. Just like Clemson's win over a then-ranked Texas A&M; it no longer resonates as highly as it did then. Every time A&M played a ranked team, they got slapped around.
So what are u crying about then? OK at the time they have played their opponents will have played 3 top 11 teams...Utah at the time the have played their opponents will have played only Oregon who is #13...Next highest is ASU #17....Then UW #25 at the time....They both have 1 loss so if they both win out...OK has the better overall resume...Really no case for UTAH.. Oregon Shiit the bed....and it is what it is..PAC 12 has beaten nobody in out of conference play..
OK will have beaten top 10 Baylor twice....Texas when it was a top 15 team.....Utah will have beaten a top 15 Oregon.....Barely top 25 UW....... B12 is stronger conference than the Pac12 overall. OK will have the more quality wins....
Key word: WAS (as in past tense) I've never understood this "Team A beat Team B when Team B was ranked". It logically makes no sense whatsoever. UCF, Nebraska, and Syracuse were ranked when the season started. Would a win over those teams now be considered valuable at all? Anything except the final rankings is a complete and total guess at how good a team is. We now know that both Texas and Texas A&M aren't as good of wins as previously thought. There should be exactly no value in preseason polls just as there should be no value in beating a team that used to be ranked way back when.
Texas was down 5 with 2 minutes to go vs LSU in the 4th quarter..before LSU got a very late TD on a 60 yard play..
And? Was it an off game for LSU? Texas' secondary was depleted during that game as well; if anything, they should have gotten better and they didn't. The fact remains that Texas isn't as good as we once thought. When I look at LSU's resume now, I don't factor that Texas game in as highly as I did then. Things change. Just like Clemson's win over a then-ranked Texas A&M; it no longer resonates as highly as it did then. Every time A&M played a ranked team, they got slapped around.
So what are u crying about then? OK at the time they have played their opponents will have played 3 top 11 teams...Utah at the time the have played their opponents will have played only Oregon who is #13...Next highest is ASU #17....Then UW #25 at the time....They both have 1 loss so if they both win out...OK has the better overall resume...Really no case for UTAH.. Oregon Shiit the bed....and it is what it is..PAC 12 has beaten nobody in out of conference play..
I'm not crying about anything, I've simply stated I like Utah more than Oklahoma. If both win, at season's end they will have beaten exactly 1 ranked opponent. Utah over Oregon, and OU over Baylor twice. Despite the same record, Utah's loss is to a ranked team. OU's and Baylor's out of conference schedule is shit too. I'm looking at more than the schedule though; OU has squeaked through their schedule while Utah has dominated theirs. IMO Utah is the more complete team.
The committee is obviously factoring in the eye test to rank teams so why can't we?
It's just my opinion, and depending on how Saturday goes, it might change again.
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Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:
Quote Originally Posted by GamblinDAWG:
Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:
Quote Originally Posted by GamblinDAWG:
Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:
OK will have beaten top 10 Baylor twice....Texas when it was a top 15 team.....Utah will have beaten a top 15 Oregon.....Barely top 25 UW....... B12 is stronger conference than the Pac12 overall. OK will have the more quality wins....
Key word: WAS (as in past tense) I've never understood this "Team A beat Team B when Team B was ranked". It logically makes no sense whatsoever. UCF, Nebraska, and Syracuse were ranked when the season started. Would a win over those teams now be considered valuable at all? Anything except the final rankings is a complete and total guess at how good a team is. We now know that both Texas and Texas A&M aren't as good of wins as previously thought. There should be exactly no value in preseason polls just as there should be no value in beating a team that used to be ranked way back when.
Texas was down 5 with 2 minutes to go vs LSU in the 4th quarter..before LSU got a very late TD on a 60 yard play..
And? Was it an off game for LSU? Texas' secondary was depleted during that game as well; if anything, they should have gotten better and they didn't. The fact remains that Texas isn't as good as we once thought. When I look at LSU's resume now, I don't factor that Texas game in as highly as I did then. Things change. Just like Clemson's win over a then-ranked Texas A&M; it no longer resonates as highly as it did then. Every time A&M played a ranked team, they got slapped around.
So what are u crying about then? OK at the time they have played their opponents will have played 3 top 11 teams...Utah at the time the have played their opponents will have played only Oregon who is #13...Next highest is ASU #17....Then UW #25 at the time....They both have 1 loss so if they both win out...OK has the better overall resume...Really no case for UTAH.. Oregon Shiit the bed....and it is what it is..PAC 12 has beaten nobody in out of conference play..
I'm not crying about anything, I've simply stated I like Utah more than Oklahoma. If both win, at season's end they will have beaten exactly 1 ranked opponent. Utah over Oregon, and OU over Baylor twice. Despite the same record, Utah's loss is to a ranked team. OU's and Baylor's out of conference schedule is shit too. I'm looking at more than the schedule though; OU has squeaked through their schedule while Utah has dominated theirs. IMO Utah is the more complete team.
The committee is obviously factoring in the eye test to rank teams so why can't we?
It's just my opinion, and depending on how Saturday goes, it might change again.
I'm not crying about anything, I've simply stated I like Utah more than Oklahoma. If both win, at season's end they will have beaten exactly 1 ranked opponent. Utah over Oregon, and OU over Baylor twice. Despite the same record, Utah's loss is to a ranked team. OU's and Baylor's out of conference schedule is garbage too. I'm looking at more than the schedule though; OU has squeaked through their schedule while Utah has dominated theirs. IMO Utah is the more complete team.
The committee is obviously factoring in the eye test to rank teams so why can't we?
It's just my opinion, and depending on how Saturday goes, it might change again.
Utah has been ranked higher than OU for a reason
Baylor will not get in over a Pac12 Champion Utah because of their OOC schedule
Now saying that the committee has done these things all year does not guarantee they hold to their word after this week. How does Minnesota nose dive, yet Michigan barely moves? How is Oklahoma State ranked at all?
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I'm not crying about anything, I've simply stated I like Utah more than Oklahoma. If both win, at season's end they will have beaten exactly 1 ranked opponent. Utah over Oregon, and OU over Baylor twice. Despite the same record, Utah's loss is to a ranked team. OU's and Baylor's out of conference schedule is garbage too. I'm looking at more than the schedule though; OU has squeaked through their schedule while Utah has dominated theirs. IMO Utah is the more complete team.
The committee is obviously factoring in the eye test to rank teams so why can't we?
It's just my opinion, and depending on how Saturday goes, it might change again.
Utah has been ranked higher than OU for a reason
Baylor will not get in over a Pac12 Champion Utah because of their OOC schedule
Now saying that the committee has done these things all year does not guarantee they hold to their word after this week. How does Minnesota nose dive, yet Michigan barely moves? How is Oklahoma State ranked at all?
I'm not crying about anything, I've simply stated I like Utah more than Oklahoma. If both win, at season's end they will have beaten exactly 1 ranked opponent. Utah over Oregon, and OU over Baylor twice. Despite the same record, Utah's loss is to a ranked team. OU's and Baylor's out of conference schedule is garbage too. I'm looking at more than the schedule though; OU has squeaked through their schedule while Utah has dominated theirs. IMO Utah is the more complete team. The committee is obviously factoring in the eye test to rank teams so why can't we? It's just my opinion, and depending on how Saturday goes, it might change again.
Utah has been ranked higher than OU for a reason Baylor will not get in over a Pac12 Champion Utah because of their OOC scheduleNow saying that the committee has done these things all year does not guarantee they hold to their word after this week. How does Minnesota nose dive, yet Michigan barely moves? How is Oklahoma State ranked at all?
OSU played a back up Qb vs OU... Played them pretty tough as well.
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Quote Originally Posted by GamblinDAWG:
I'm not crying about anything, I've simply stated I like Utah more than Oklahoma. If both win, at season's end they will have beaten exactly 1 ranked opponent. Utah over Oregon, and OU over Baylor twice. Despite the same record, Utah's loss is to a ranked team. OU's and Baylor's out of conference schedule is garbage too. I'm looking at more than the schedule though; OU has squeaked through their schedule while Utah has dominated theirs. IMO Utah is the more complete team. The committee is obviously factoring in the eye test to rank teams so why can't we? It's just my opinion, and depending on how Saturday goes, it might change again.
Utah has been ranked higher than OU for a reason Baylor will not get in over a Pac12 Champion Utah because of their OOC scheduleNow saying that the committee has done these things all year does not guarantee they hold to their word after this week. How does Minnesota nose dive, yet Michigan barely moves? How is Oklahoma State ranked at all?
OSU played a back up Qb vs OU... Played them pretty tough as well.
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