Why LSU/BAMA rematch doesnt make sense...

I will start by saying that I feel LSU and BAMA are the best 2 teams in college...

All the Big 12 talk is so funny.  People talk about the Big 12 strength of schedule and bla bla.  If you look at the teams, the ONLY beat each other.  The Big 12 as a conference has ONE CURRENT win against a ranked team outside the Big 12...ONE!!!  Baylor beating TCU opening night.  So, Big 12 lovers and their beating quality teams, come on. 

Even if you hate the SEC, it is clear Bama deserves the chance to play again looking at the 1 loss teams.

Stanford..this arguement shouldnt even be made, but for some reason it is.  They got rolled at home.  They could have and should have lost 3 games this season.  Luck is good, but they dont deserve a chance.

Ok St...lost on the road as 28 point favorites???  Really???  They gave up 48 points at home in ONE game really???  I dont care what they were dealing with in the Iowa St game with the team deaths and what not.  If you are FOUR TOUCHDOWNS favorites on the road, you SHOULD NEVER LOSE.  Plus, they were winning the game 24-7, so it clear they didnt have a let down.  If they would have came out and got spanked from opening kick-off, ok go ahead and use the deaths as an excuse.  But, blowing a 17 point lead as a 28 point favorite, come on.

Bama's only loss was obviously to LSU.  Besides that, they didnt have a game within 16 points.  If you watch football and dont realize how great their defense is, then just stop watching and stop calling yourself a fan of football.  They have 10 starters who will start in the NFL. 

The game between LSU/BAMA in some peoples eyes was a boring game.  To me, that was the best game of the year.  I dont care the score was 6-9.  The fact that those 2 defenses didnt allow anything was awesome.  First downs were few and far between, unlike every other league when team put up 50 points every week and score in 4 plays, making catches without a defender within 15 yards or running the ball for 12 yards before getting touched.

The speed, coverage, and hits in that game was awesome. 

If you want to be an SEC hater, thats fine.  People always hate the best teams and conference.  They will win a title YET AGAIN this year.  They will have the most drafted players yet again this year.  People say the SEC is down this year, yet 2 weeks ago they had the 1, 2, 3 team in the BCS WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN DONE. 

If you dont think LSU and Bama are the best 2 teams, then you cant say you know college football.

Well, saying all of that, here is why I dont think a rematch makes sense.

If LSU/BAMA play again, and BAMA wins(which I dont think they will), how do you claim them champs over LSU????

LSU walked into their house and beat them.  So you cant claim, winning on a neutral field after 5 weeks to prep is a bigger win then winning on the other teams home field. 

So, in my mind there is no reason for a rematch because you are only looking at a spilt title. 

I would love to see LSU/OK ST, just so all the SEC haters could once again see how great the LSU defnese is.  Weeden puts up crazy numbers because he has 15 seconds to throw the ball.

Oregon has the best offense in college, and they were dominated by LSU.  LSU was bigger, faster and hit them in the mouth.  Taking away a TD with 6 second, Oregon had only 20 points.  This team score 50 a game, wasnt held under 34 the rest of the year.

LSU/BAMA will probably be the game, but would love to see the SEC BIG 12 game just so the ta;l about the Big 12 can stop

There is really no point reading beyond your first sentence.

The system that is in place is designed to to have the best two teams play for the national championship, and LSU and Alabama are clearly the best two teams.  Whoever is #3 is not even close.  But now that some people don't like the way the season played out, they want to change the system at the end of the season to engender the outcome they desire.  If we are going to do that, there is no point in playing the season.  We can just have a coronation at the beginning of the season, and let those two teams have at it.

I have brought this up frequently over the years to the idiots who try to blame all the world's evils on the SEC. Now someone took the time to put together a great article on it.

Don't blame the SEC for the system the other conferences wrought.  Had the SEC gotten its way we would have a a playoff three years ago.

SEC reaps reward of rejected playoff plan

https://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-wetzel_sec_reaps_reward_rejection_120311

Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:



Number 3 isnt close? Lets say Ok ST didnt lose to Iowa St (for the sake of argument)....Does that mean Bama isnt close to them, as they would be the BCS #3?

I mean, Bama beat Arkansas, Auburn and Penn St as its best wins. Ok St's best wins are Baylor, Mizzou and Oklahoma. I bet if you had a round of their 6 best opponest, it would come out even. Now, Ok St has the much worse loss, but it was on the road.....

I just dont see how you can say Bama is much more deserving. An overtime win by Ok St or Bama and we wouldnt be having this discussion....

Just pickin your brain Jimmy

Big 12 teams beating Big 12 teams means nothing....those games are the teams who dont give up 42 win...its a joke...

THE ENTIRE CONFERENCE HAS ONE TOP 25 WIN out of conference

Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:



Number 3 isnt close? Lets say Ok ST didnt lose to Iowa St (for the sake of argument)....Does that mean Bama isnt close to them, as they would be the BCS #3?

I mean, Bama beat Arkansas, Auburn and Penn St as its best wins. Ok St's best wins are Baylor, Mizzou and Oklahoma. I bet if you had a round of their 6 best opponest, it would come out even. Now, Ok St has the much worse loss, but it was on the road.....

I just dont see how you can say Bama is much more deserving. An overtime win by Ok St or Bama and we wouldnt be having this discussion....

Just pickin your brain Jimmy

The only thing that is relevant to the inquiry is who are the best two teams.  LGP1234 prefaced his remaks above by conceding that LSU & Alabama are indeed the best two teams.  If that is so, then that is the end of the inquiry.

I have no problem with someone like you making a case for Okie State being better than Alabama.  That is customary grist for a subjective system.

If you are asking my opinion, I will repeat what I have said several times before, and that is I believe, absent a playoff, an all SEC championship game is a disaster for college football.  But if you ask me who are the best two teams, I will say that LSU and Alabama are by far the best two teams, and whoever is #3 is not even close.

As I have also said, if LSU and Okie State play in the championship game, it will be a huge victory for me financially (and bettors in general) because now we would not just have one 2010 Capital One Bowl game to bet on, we'll have two - whoever Alabama plays and whoever LSU plays.  They would be the two easiest bets on the board.  Neither game would be remotely competitive.

Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:



I wasnt saying BAMA and LSU werent the best 2 teams. I was saying that had Ok St beat Iowa St doesnt really change the fact Bama/LSU are the best, but Bama would be a distant 3rd in the BCS...

Guess what I'm sayin is we need a playoff system.

I doubt anyone disagrees with that.  Read the article I linked above.

Apparently you didn't read the article.

Teams will always be left out.  In basketball we have what? a 68-team tournament now, and people complain about their team being left out of that.  It doesn't matter what number of teams you tether to a championship format, teams will ALWAYS be left out.

Ultimately, however, we have to ask ourselves if whatever format is being used establishes a champion with a reasonable degree of certainty.  I believe, and have always believed that a 2-team format is not sufficient.  I do think a 4-team format (aka a +1) such as the one that was proposed to the other conferences by the SEC in 2008 would.

You will get no argument from me that there are great cases to be made for other teams.  If we had a 4-team playoff as I suggested above, we woould have LSU playing Stanford and Alabama playing Okie State in a semi-final round, and the two winners would meet for the championship.  I would be very satisfied with that.

As for my team being left out, I have no problem dealing with whatever is decided so long as it is done fairly.  Alabama was a bubble team last season in basketball, and didn't get selected for the NCAA tournament.  I was fine with that because I knew Alabama had no shot of winning it anyhow.  And if it is decided that Okie State will play LSU for the championship, I would have no problem with that either.  If Alabama gets left out this season, they would have no one to blame but themselves.  Had they not shot themselves in the foot so many times agaisnt LSU, they wouldn't have put themselves in that position.  The bottom line is that despite being on the road in a hostile environment, LSU played a cleaner game than Alabama, and that was the difference in the game.

The only extend to which I have ever supported the current system is to say that it is better than what we had pre-BCS.  Other than that, I've ALWAYS been, and still am, pro-playoff.

Quote Originally Posted by dytide:

I really like this post. 

I like the idea of 4 teams but not a plus one.

I think the major bowls should stand on their own and not be semi-final games,

They could do 4 teams easily seperate from the bowls.

But would Oregon have a case over Stanford ?

 A four-team playoff system is pretty much the same thing as a +1.

Personally, I would rate Oregon ahead of Stanford.  They destroyed them, and their only two losses are against LSU, and a 3-point loss to USC.  Moreover, the 3-point loss was due to their kicker essentially missing a chip-shot at the buzzer.