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    Are Americans Eating Too Much Protein????

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    Posted: Jun. 16, 2011 - 12:37 PM ET #1

    Vegan friends telling me this.... something like we eat 4x what we need and blah blah blah it kills your liver and bones, anyone know about this? any vegans out there?
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    Vegan friends telling me this.... something like we eat 4x what we need and blah blah blah it kills your liver and bones, anyone know about this? any vegans out there?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 16, 2011 - 12:59 PM ET #2

    what i read says we don't eat enough.  any sources for this?
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    No, we are not consuming enough protein. Remember that protein is found in all cells in the body. Amino acids are the building blocks of protein and used for building and repairing tissue in our body.  Animal sources are more digestible than plant sources meaning that a top sirloin's protein will be better absorbed than tofu's and will keep you satiated longer.  Many people look at a certain vegetable or fruit and praise it for having certain nutrients, but the most important thing is how much of the available nutrients the body actually absorbs. Our bodies absorb the nutrients in meat almost entirely compared to fruits and vegetables which absorb significantly less.  In a tomato, the nutrients are fat soluble so if a person does not consume fat with a tomato they would absorb very little if any nutrients from that tomato. 

    To answer your question there are no viable studies that show excess protein does any damage to a healthy individual. There are very few people who consume high protein diets other than bodybuilders or elite athletes. Even people who follow Atkins or Paleo diets eat moderate amounts of protein.  Fat is the cornerstone of those diets,  not protein.


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    No, we are not consuming enough protein. Remember that protein is found in all cells in the body. Amino acids are the building blocks of protein and used for building and repairing tissue in our body.  Animal sources are more digestible than plant sources meaning that a top sirloin's protein will be better absorbed than tofu's and will keep you satiated longer.  Many people look at a certain vegetable or fruit and praise it for having certain nutrients, but the most important thing is how much of the available nutrients the body actually absorbs. Our bodies absorb the nutrients in meat almost entirely compared to fruits and vegetables which absorb significantly less.  In a tomato, the nutrients are fat soluble so if a person does not consume fat with a tomato they would absorb very little if any nutrients from that tomato. 

    To answer your question there are no viable studies that show excess protein does any damage to a healthy individual. There are very few people who consume high protein diets other than bodybuilders or elite athletes. Even people who follow Atkins or Paleo diets eat moderate amounts of protein.  Fat is the cornerstone of those diets,  not protein.


     
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    Posted: Jun. 16, 2011 - 6:19 PM ET #4

    all the shit they pump into the animals to fatten them up will kill you before the proteins will
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    all the shit they pump into the animals to fatten them up will kill you before the proteins will
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharpaction:

    No, we are not consuming enough protein. Remember that protein is found in all cells in the body. Amino acids are the building blocks of protein and used for building and repairing tissue in our body.  Animal sources are more digestible than plant sources meaning that a top sirloin's protein will be better absorbed than tofu's and will keep you satiated longer.  Many people look at a certain vegetable or fruit and praise it for having certain nutrients, but the most important thing is how much of the available nutrients the body actually absorbs. Our bodies absorb the nutrients in meat almost entirely compared to fruits and vegetables which absorb significantly less.  In a tomato, the nutrients are fat soluble so if a person does not consume fat with a tomato they would absorb very little if any nutrients from that tomato. 

    To answer your question there are no viable studies that show excess protein does any damage to a healthy individual. There are very few people who consume high protein diets other than bodybuilders or elite athletes. Even people who follow Atkins or Paleo diets eat moderate amounts of protein.  Fat is the cornerstone of those diets,  not protein.




    i'm very impressed with that thorough explanation!


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    No, we are not consuming enough protein. Remember that protein is found in all cells in the body. Amino acids are the building blocks of protein and used for building and repairing tissue in our body.  Animal sources are more digestible than plant sources meaning that a top sirloin's protein will be better absorbed than tofu's and will keep you satiated longer.  Many people look at a certain vegetable or fruit and praise it for having certain nutrients, but the most important thing is how much of the available nutrients the body actually absorbs. Our bodies absorb the nutrients in meat almost entirely compared to fruits and vegetables which absorb significantly less.  In a tomato, the nutrients are fat soluble so if a person does not consume fat with a tomato they would absorb very little if any nutrients from that tomato. 

    To answer your question there are no viable studies that show excess protein does any damage to a healthy individual. There are very few people who consume high protein diets other than bodybuilders or elite athletes. Even people who follow Atkins or Paleo diets eat moderate amounts of protein.  Fat is the cornerstone of those diets,  not protein.




    i'm very impressed with that thorough explanation!


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJDevils:

    all the shit they pump into the animals to fatten them up will kill you before the proteins will

    Actually, most if not all of the cattle are fed a growth supplement for a period and then it is stopped a couple of weeks before slaughter. Most of the cows these days are not injected with "hormones" because of laws on residues in beef exports but the ones that are will almost have no trace of them by the time slaughter arrives and if there is any left by the time it gets on our plate, it would be so small and difficult to measure and would not affect us in any way. Plants on the other hand are loaded with pesticides and chemicals for faster and fuller growth and the nutritional value of fruits and vegetables have dwindled over the last 30 years. Of course if you are still scared then you can buy organic or grass fed beef.
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    all the shit they pump into the animals to fatten them up will kill you before the proteins will

    Actually, most if not all of the cattle are fed a growth supplement for a period and then it is stopped a couple of weeks before slaughter. Most of the cows these days are not injected with "hormones" because of laws on residues in beef exports but the ones that are will almost have no trace of them by the time slaughter arrives and if there is any left by the time it gets on our plate, it would be so small and difficult to measure and would not affect us in any way. Plants on the other hand are loaded with pesticides and chemicals for faster and fuller growth and the nutritional value of fruits and vegetables have dwindled over the last 30 years. Of course if you are still scared then you can buy organic or grass fed beef.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 16, 2011 - 11:30 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by NJDevils:

    all the shit they pump into the animals to fatten them up will kill you before the proteins will

    a lot of meat products are available that don't have this problem.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJDevils:

    all the shit they pump into the animals to fatten them up will kill you before the proteins will

    a lot of meat products are available that don't have this problem.  
     
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    get yourself some grass fed bison burgers
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    If you add it up..... it's actually hard to get 75 grams of protein a day without going out of your way.
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    If you add it up..... it's actually hard to get 75 grams of protein a day without going out of your way.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharpaction:

    No, we are not consuming enough protein. Remember that protein is found in all cells in the body. Amino acids are the building blocks of protein and used for building and repairing tissue in our body.  Animal sources are more digestible than plant sources meaning that a top sirloin's protein will be better absorbed than tofu's and will keep you satiated longer.  Many people look at a certain vegetable or fruit and praise it for having certain nutrients, but the most important thing is how much of the available nutrients the body actually absorbs. Our bodies absorb the nutrients in meat almost entirely compared to fruits and vegetables which absorb significantly less.  In a tomato, the nutrients are fat soluble so if a person does not consume fat with a tomato they would absorb very little if any nutrients from that tomato. 

    To answer your question there are no viable studies that show excess protein does any damage to a healthy individual. There are very few people who consume high protein diets other than bodybuilders or elite athletes. Even people who follow Atkins or Paleo diets eat moderate amounts of protein.  Fat is the cornerstone of those diets,  not protein.


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    No, we are not consuming enough protein. Remember that protein is found in all cells in the body. Amino acids are the building blocks of protein and used for building and repairing tissue in our body.  Animal sources are more digestible than plant sources meaning that a top sirloin's protein will be better absorbed than tofu's and will keep you satiated longer.  Many people look at a certain vegetable or fruit and praise it for having certain nutrients, but the most important thing is how much of the available nutrients the body actually absorbs. Our bodies absorb the nutrients in meat almost entirely compared to fruits and vegetables which absorb significantly less.  In a tomato, the nutrients are fat soluble so if a person does not consume fat with a tomato they would absorb very little if any nutrients from that tomato. 

    To answer your question there are no viable studies that show excess protein does any damage to a healthy individual. There are very few people who consume high protein diets other than bodybuilders or elite athletes. Even people who follow Atkins or Paleo diets eat moderate amounts of protein.  Fat is the cornerstone of those diets,  not protein.


     
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    Fat soluble

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    Fat soluble

     
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    Learned that term in high school and it's coming back
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    Quote Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

    Learned that term in high school and it's coming back

    Avacados

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    Learned that term in high school and it's coming back

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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2011 - 12:32 AM ET #16

    LINK THAT SAYS WE ARE EATING TO MUCH
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    I don't know about you guys but I am taking Sharpaction's word for it. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    LINK THAT SAYS WE ARE EATING TO MUCH

    i'm skeptical of this article.  the authro does not support her conclusion.  she states a conclusion and cites to a survey (which i assume is about how much protein people eat) and a professor's conclusion without any supporting facts or opinions.  she may be right but there's no way to evaluate this conclusion from this shitty article.  i'm also going to side with sharpaction who supports his conclusions. 

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    i'm skeptical of this article.  the authro does not support her conclusion.  she states a conclusion and cites to a survey (which i assume is about how much protein people eat) and a professor's conclusion without any supporting facts or opinions.  she may be right but there's no way to evaluate this conclusion from this shitty article.  i'm also going to side with sharpaction who supports his conclusions. 

     
     
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    Americans should be more worried about not eating enough fruits and vegetables.  Or excess calories since many people are overweight. 

     But article might be plausible considering how little protein the body needs. For a sedentary person, 0.4 gram of protein per pound of body weight.  0.6-0.8 gram for athletes according to US National Academy of Sciences.  If quality of plant protein is a concern, easy to upgrade by combining with animal protein such as milk.

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    Americans should be more worried about not eating enough fruits and vegetables.  Or excess calories since many people are overweight. 

     But article might be plausible considering how little protein the body needs. For a sedentary person, 0.4 gram of protein per pound of body weight.  0.6-0.8 gram for athletes according to US National Academy of Sciences.  If quality of plant protein is a concern, easy to upgrade by combining with animal protein such as milk.

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