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    JohnAnthony261
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2009 - 12:01 AM ET #1

    There are a lot of threads in here about food but not a whole lot about lifting at least lately.
     
    Just ask me questions about lifting or nutrition if you'd like. i am an exercise science major and i feel like i could help out a little bit.
     
    This is strictly to help people...i will check back periodically for questions
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    There are a lot of threads in here about food but not a whole lot about lifting at least lately.
     
    Just ask me questions about lifting or nutrition if you'd like. i am an exercise science major and i feel like i could help out a little bit.
     
    This is strictly to help people...i will check back periodically for questions
     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2009 - 12:08 AM ET #2

    I'm here now.
     
    All the "lifters" in here are busting my balls about my "high rep" activity.  Iron Mike calls it "spin class" which is kinda funny BUT....
     
    I go to the gym today just to "knock the dust off" the long weekend and end up working out with a lifter.  He's piling on weights and I'm like repping his weights but more of them
     
    Have not lifted in ten years until 3 months ago.  Pushed 225 just for the heck of it couple months ago just to see if could get it up and got it up and put it down real quick.  Been high repping light weight but fucking slammed 8 225s in this guy's face today.
     
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    I'm here now.
     
    All the "lifters" in here are busting my balls about my "high rep" activity.  Iron Mike calls it "spin class" which is kinda funny BUT....
     
    I go to the gym today just to "knock the dust off" the long weekend and end up working out with a lifter.  He's piling on weights and I'm like repping his weights but more of them
     
    Have not lifted in ten years until 3 months ago.  Pushed 225 just for the heck of it couple months ago just to see if could get it up and got it up and put it down real quick.  Been high repping light weight but fucking slammed 8 225s in this guy's face today.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2009 - 12:09 AM ET #3

    My question to you Mr. Johnny on the scene is what do you know about a high rep routine?
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    My question to you Mr. Johnny on the scene is what do you know about a high rep routine?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2009 - 12:13 AM ET #4

    I geuss the the real question is..... does it really matter HOW you fatigue the muscle?
     
    High or low rep?
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    I geuss the the real question is..... does it really matter HOW you fatigue the muscle?
     
    High or low rep?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2009 - 12:38 AM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

    I geuss the the real question is..... does it really matter HOW you fatigue the muscle?
     
    High or low rep?

    Of course....and so many people are doing it wrong.
    Everytime you go to the gym its usually people doing 3 sets of 8-12 reps. They love this approach because they get home, look in the mirror and see their muscle pumped up with blood and it looks great. Then the pump goes away and they are left with minimal results

    The truth is is that when you work your muscle for this amount of reps consistantly you are only stimulating small fibers. You have to lift about 4-6 reps with heavy weights to get big because this lower rep range tells your brain to trigger more motor units into play (your big fibers) in order to lift a weight that it hasnt before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

    I geuss the the real question is..... does it really matter HOW you fatigue the muscle?
     
    High or low rep?

    Of course....and so many people are doing it wrong.
    Everytime you go to the gym its usually people doing 3 sets of 8-12 reps. They love this approach because they get home, look in the mirror and see their muscle pumped up with blood and it looks great. Then the pump goes away and they are left with minimal results

    The truth is is that when you work your muscle for this amount of reps consistantly you are only stimulating small fibers. You have to lift about 4-6 reps with heavy weights to get big because this lower rep range tells your brain to trigger more motor units into play (your big fibers) in order to lift a weight that it hasnt before.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2009 - 12:41 AM ET #6

    i could go into a lot more detail about it but thats it in a nutshell.
     
     
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    i could go into a lot more detail about it but thats it in a nutshell.
     
     
     
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    ..... Listening but not completely understanding yet.
     
    Here's an example.  I basically have not lifted for ten years but always done pushups which are high rep in nature.  Then just show up on a bench press and can push some 225 around????
     
    Those little high rep pushups are doing something.  Fuck, ask Herschel Walker.
     
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    ..... Listening but not completely understanding yet.
     
    Here's an example.  I basically have not lifted for ten years but always done pushups which are high rep in nature.  Then just show up on a bench press and can push some 225 around????
     
    Those little high rep pushups are doing something.  Fuck, ask Herschel Walker.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnAnthony261:

    Of course....and so many people are doing it wrong.
    Everytime you go to the gym its usually people doing 3 sets of 8-12 reps. They love this approach because they get home, look in the mirror and see their muscle pumped up with blood and it looks great. Then the pump goes away and they are left with minimal results

    The truth is is that when you work your muscle for this amount of reps consistantly you are only stimulating small fibers. You have to lift about 4-6 reps with heavy weights to get big because this lower rep range tells your brain to trigger more motor units into play (your big fibers) in order to lift a weight that it hasnt before.



    I disagree. There are two forms of hypertrophy. Sarcoplasmic is generally associated with high reps, and the body rebuilds the muscle larger. Myofibril is generally associated with low reps, and the body rebuilds the muscle stronger by increasing the number of fibers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnAnthony261:

    Of course....and so many people are doing it wrong.
    Everytime you go to the gym its usually people doing 3 sets of 8-12 reps. They love this approach because they get home, look in the mirror and see their muscle pumped up with blood and it looks great. Then the pump goes away and they are left with minimal results

    The truth is is that when you work your muscle for this amount of reps consistantly you are only stimulating small fibers. You have to lift about 4-6 reps with heavy weights to get big because this lower rep range tells your brain to trigger more motor units into play (your big fibers) in order to lift a weight that it hasnt before.



    I disagree. There are two forms of hypertrophy. Sarcoplasmic is generally associated with high reps, and the body rebuilds the muscle larger. Myofibril is generally associated with low reps, and the body rebuilds the muscle stronger by increasing the number of fibers.
     
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    Sarcoplasmic Hypertrophy .... That's a big word.
     
    My theory is that lot of cats shake and wiggle during their 8-12 reps and not really getting 8-12 good form reps.  So if bump it up to 20, at least getting 12 good ones.
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    Sarcoplasmic Hypertrophy .... That's a big word.
     
    My theory is that lot of cats shake and wiggle during their 8-12 reps and not really getting 8-12 good form reps.  So if bump it up to 20, at least getting 12 good ones.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

    Sarcoplasmic Hypertrophy .... That's a big word.
     
    My theory is that lot of cats shake and wiggle during their 8-12 reps and not really getting 8-12 good form reps.  So if bump it up to 20, at least getting 12 good ones.

    I agree with this in fact if your gonna do only 8-12 reps just drop a little bit of the weight off and go for 18-20 reps and really drill your muscles

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    Quote Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

    Sarcoplasmic Hypertrophy .... That's a big word.
     
    My theory is that lot of cats shake and wiggle during their 8-12 reps and not really getting 8-12 good form reps.  So if bump it up to 20, at least getting 12 good ones.

    I agree with this in fact if your gonna do only 8-12 reps just drop a little bit of the weight off and go for 18-20 reps and really drill your muscles

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

    Sarcoplasmic Hypertrophy .... That's a big word.
     
    My theory is that lot of cats shake and wiggle during their 8-12 reps and not really getting 8-12 good form reps.  So if bump it up to 20, at least getting 12 good ones.

    I haven't worked out in a couple of months, but I used to do it 5 days a week and that was the same approach I took.  15-18 reps per set and I had great results.  You can beat this low rep/high rep thing to death, but if you are seeing results in what you are doing there is no reason to change it up.  I know some of the meat heads here will disagree, but 85% of people are not looking to have biceps bigger than there head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

    Sarcoplasmic Hypertrophy .... That's a big word.
     
    My theory is that lot of cats shake and wiggle during their 8-12 reps and not really getting 8-12 good form reps.  So if bump it up to 20, at least getting 12 good ones.

    I haven't worked out in a couple of months, but I used to do it 5 days a week and that was the same approach I took.  15-18 reps per set and I had great results.  You can beat this low rep/high rep thing to death, but if you are seeing results in what you are doing there is no reason to change it up.  I know some of the meat heads here will disagree, but 85% of people are not looking to have biceps bigger than there head.
     
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    do kegals really work?

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    do kegals really work?

     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2009 - 11:02 PM ET #14

    what kinds of things should I focus on to increase my bench press?
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    Well you should focus on your bench press if you want to increase it.  Practice makes perfect.  If your weak in the incline then train it first in your workout.  Switch it up a bit, dumbells and barbell, odd time throw in a machine.  Get your shoulders and triceps strong and make sure you have enough recovery time between chest workouts.
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    Well you should focus on your bench press if you want to increase it.  Practice makes perfect.  If your weak in the incline then train it first in your workout.  Switch it up a bit, dumbells and barbell, odd time throw in a machine.  Get your shoulders and triceps strong and make sure you have enough recovery time between chest workouts.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by rokodesh:

    what kinds of things should I focus on to increase my bench press?


    I agree with staxxx. Weight dips are great for the triceps and chest, but I don't do them on bench day. I also try to keep shoulder day and bench day a few days apart.

    Negatives are good to condition your body to heavier weight. I think once a month is a good frequency to do negatives. I do 3 reps with my 1RM+40lbs, going super slow on the negative and holding every few inches. You need a good spotter and I'd recommend doing this at the end of your workout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rokodesh:

    what kinds of things should I focus on to increase my bench press?


    I agree with staxxx. Weight dips are great for the triceps and chest, but I don't do them on bench day. I also try to keep shoulder day and bench day a few days apart.

    Negatives are good to condition your body to heavier weight. I think once a month is a good frequency to do negatives. I do 3 reps with my 1RM+40lbs, going super slow on the negative and holding every few inches. You need a good spotter and I'd recommend doing this at the end of your workout.
     
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    I'm about 5'10" 185., how many calories should I be eating per day when I'm trying to build muscle and exercise (lift and run) about 2 hours a day, 6 days a week.  I've been following this routine called Prime The Pump, it recommends eating about 3-4000 a day but I can't find the time in the day to eat that much.
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    I'm about 5'10" 185., how many calories should I be eating per day when I'm trying to build muscle and exercise (lift and run) about 2 hours a day, 6 days a week.  I've been following this routine called Prime The Pump, it recommends eating about 3-4000 a day but I can't find the time in the day to eat that much.
     
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    I am 6'0" 185 pounds.  How many cock pushups should I be able to do?
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    I am 6'0" 185 pounds.  How many cock pushups should I be able to do?
     
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    I'm thinking of buying some home exercise equipment. Thought about one of those fitness advertisemets. Maybe like Bowflex etc. Anybody have any suggestions?
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    I'm thinking of buying some home exercise equipment. Thought about one of those fitness advertisemets. Maybe like Bowflex etc. Anybody have any suggestions?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmedNAruba:

    I'm thinking of buying some home exercise equipment. Thought about one of those fitness advertisemets. Maybe like Bowflex etc. Anybody have any suggestions?

    First thing I would buy would be a bicycle to keep the metabolism up.  And then a pull up bar / dip rack.

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    I'm thinking of buying some home exercise equipment. Thought about one of those fitness advertisemets. Maybe like Bowflex etc. Anybody have any suggestions?

    First thing I would buy would be a bicycle to keep the metabolism up.  And then a pull up bar / dip rack.

     
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    I got back to working out in March, I would do the same o' 2 sets and 8-12 reps, I did see results but kind of hit the wall around June and skipped for one week(you know the feeling when you're just there and going through the motions but have no desire), then again this month I skipped a week, got back on the horse on the 10th, yesterday for the first time I did 2 sets of 20-25 reps, and this morning my body is sore. should I be doing this from now on? and if yes for how long? and the 4-6 reps you're talking about is that for one set(obviously you warm up with 10-12 reps first or just warm up/stretch and go for it), and do you do that once a week or for the whole week then go back to your regular routine.  My goal is getting more cut and hopefully a six pack. I'm 6' 2" and hovering around 204-206 lbs. I work out 3xs a week, and ride the bike 3xs a week.
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    I got back to working out in March, I would do the same o' 2 sets and 8-12 reps, I did see results but kind of hit the wall around June and skipped for one week(you know the feeling when you're just there and going through the motions but have no desire), then again this month I skipped a week, got back on the horse on the 10th, yesterday for the first time I did 2 sets of 20-25 reps, and this morning my body is sore. should I be doing this from now on? and if yes for how long? and the 4-6 reps you're talking about is that for one set(obviously you warm up with 10-12 reps first or just warm up/stretch and go for it), and do you do that once a week or for the whole week then go back to your regular routine.  My goal is getting more cut and hopefully a six pack. I'm 6' 2" and hovering around 204-206 lbs. I work out 3xs a week, and ride the bike 3xs a week.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmedNAruba:

    I'm thinking of buying some home exercise equipment. Thought about one of those fitness advertisemets. Maybe like Bowflex etc. Anybody have any suggestions?


    Bowflex is an overpriced piece of shit.

    The staples of a home gym are a power rack, an adjustable bench and an olympic bar and weights. All of those can be had for less than half the cost of a blowflex. If you have money left over (or to buy later), get a good set of adjustable dumbbells (ironmasters). Most power racks have pullup bars and you can get dip attachments for it. If you're looking for a good cardio routine (besides running) try P90X plyometrics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmedNAruba:

    I'm thinking of buying some home exercise equipment. Thought about one of those fitness advertisemets. Maybe like Bowflex etc. Anybody have any suggestions?


    Bowflex is an overpriced piece of shit.

    The staples of a home gym are a power rack, an adjustable bench and an olympic bar and weights. All of those can be had for less than half the cost of a blowflex. If you have money left over (or to buy later), get a good set of adjustable dumbbells (ironmasters). Most power racks have pullup bars and you can get dip attachments for it. If you're looking for a good cardio routine (besides running) try P90X plyometrics.
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