Ya gotta stop thinking its anyone elses fault (i.e heredity and that you were born this way). You werent. Its not a disease. Its a mental weakness.
Multi billion dollar a year industry in rehab facitlities want everybody to believe it's a 'disease".. It isn't - it's a choice. 90% failure rate in rehab after discharge.
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Ya gotta stop thinking its anyone elses fault (i.e heredity and that you were born this way). You werent. Its not a disease. Its a mental weakness.
Multi billion dollar a year industry in rehab facitlities want everybody to believe it's a 'disease".. It isn't - it's a choice. 90% failure rate in rehab after discharge.
Ya gotta stop thinking its anyone elses fault (i.e heredity and that you were born this way). You werent. Its not a disease. Its a mental weakness.
You can do it brother.
This truly is the hardest thing for people to learn. They have been drilled with this disease B.S. as if alcoholism was something you could catch, like the hiv. It is a mental weakness. STOP. It is that simple.
Good luck to you Kaz
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Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:
Ya gotta stop thinking its anyone elses fault (i.e heredity and that you were born this way). You werent. Its not a disease. Its a mental weakness.
You can do it brother.
This truly is the hardest thing for people to learn. They have been drilled with this disease B.S. as if alcoholism was something you could catch, like the hiv. It is a mental weakness. STOP. It is that simple.
I'd give AA another shot. It's the only thing that has ever worked for me. Try to find people that tell you what they do and stay away from the ones that tell you what you need to do.
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I'd give AA another shot. It's the only thing that has ever worked for me. Try to find people that tell you what they do and stay away from the ones that tell you what you need to do.
I'd give AA another shot. It's the only thing that has ever worked for me. Try to find people that tell you what they do and stay away from the ones that tell you what you need to do.
At least you can admit you are mentally weak. Hope you understand its not a disease, you just have no will power or self pride.
Ya cant go to a meeting to keep cancer from coming back.
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Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:
I'd give AA another shot. It's the only thing that has ever worked for me. Try to find people that tell you what they do and stay away from the ones that tell you what you need to do.
At least you can admit you are mentally weak. Hope you understand its not a disease, you just have no will power or self pride.
Ya cant go to a meeting to keep cancer from coming back.
Totaled our brand new Saab 9-3. Only thing that saved her was that car. Arrested in the emergency room. Went to rehab. Thought it was over. Two bedroom apartment, we each had our own. Drove home drunk from AA meeting one night. Got drunk at work, lost her primo job. Moved out. Tried to live with her one last time, she shut herself off in her bedroom. We never talked/tried to reconcile, but that was the idea of my moving back. By this time, my late Mother was diagnosed with cancer. Moved to be near here, taking only contract jobs, maybe once a month. Watched her wither away......
Mom left me with some money, moved back to Bay Area. Same city, wasn't the same. Too many bad memories. Got a job offer down South, including the move, took it........
She's going to be five years sober in July. I've been there for ZERO of them. We can no longer be together. Can't leave a beer in the fridge, cannot come home with anything on my breath. We made a deal a long time ago, if it's me or her life, her life wins...........
She's moved back to Michigan to take care of her Mom.
Don't know what is worse: drinks herself to death, and we're apart, or she's sober and we can no longer be together. Either way, I lose. But, I've moved on. I also have to go to meetings. Besides AA, there is a group called Al-Anon, for spouses/others of alcoholics.
You cannot change an alcoholic. You cannot shame them ("look what you've done to yourself, what you've done to me! You lost your job!") you cannot reason with them............nothing.
They have to want to change. That's it. Only they can change themselves. GLTA
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Quote Originally Posted by searchwarrant:
What happened hawk?
Totaled our brand new Saab 9-3. Only thing that saved her was that car. Arrested in the emergency room. Went to rehab. Thought it was over. Two bedroom apartment, we each had our own. Drove home drunk from AA meeting one night. Got drunk at work, lost her primo job. Moved out. Tried to live with her one last time, she shut herself off in her bedroom. We never talked/tried to reconcile, but that was the idea of my moving back. By this time, my late Mother was diagnosed with cancer. Moved to be near here, taking only contract jobs, maybe once a month. Watched her wither away......
Mom left me with some money, moved back to Bay Area. Same city, wasn't the same. Too many bad memories. Got a job offer down South, including the move, took it........
She's going to be five years sober in July. I've been there for ZERO of them. We can no longer be together. Can't leave a beer in the fridge, cannot come home with anything on my breath. We made a deal a long time ago, if it's me or her life, her life wins...........
She's moved back to Michigan to take care of her Mom.
Don't know what is worse: drinks herself to death, and we're apart, or she's sober and we can no longer be together. Either way, I lose. But, I've moved on. I also have to go to meetings. Besides AA, there is a group called Al-Anon, for spouses/others of alcoholics.
You cannot change an alcoholic. You cannot shame them ("look what you've done to yourself, what you've done to me! You lost your job!") you cannot reason with them............nothing.
They have to want to change. That's it. Only they can change themselves. GLTA
I do a good enough job killing myself sober. Don't need alcohol as an assist.
I've been through bad losing streaks, worse losing streaks, the lay-offs, pay cuts, college, death, break-ups, etc...i've never turned to alcohol for advice. Seen rock bottom in a reflective pool multiple times, but never turned to the bottle once. And I have an addictive personality with inherited costs no less.
I guess some substances don't apply.
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I do a good enough job killing myself sober. Don't need alcohol as an assist.
I've been through bad losing streaks, worse losing streaks, the lay-offs, pay cuts, college, death, break-ups, etc...i've never turned to alcohol for advice. Seen rock bottom in a reflective pool multiple times, but never turned to the bottle once. And I have an addictive personality with inherited costs no less.
PROBLEM.....with overcoming any of these 'addictions'?
*drugs......alcohol.......sex even..........
Is that we LOVE to reassure ourselves that somehow WE are not at fault......unseen forces prevent us from being the man we want to be wtf.....plus most is seen as kinda cool.....until you run out of cash or go to jail........................................
The inability seemingly......to stop drinking?
*usually suggests that your body simply metabolizes alcohol differently.....meaning that instead of being TOXIC / make you eventually feel worse....it instead acts as a stimulant might....meaning the more you drink......the BETTER you feel....AND..... if you are a compulsive basterd as well....also surrounding yourself with others that like to drink / pressure you to drink.........watch out.........
SURE.....focusing on OTHERS to solve your problem........might work occasionally
*BUT how 'bout this approach.......don't be such a P-U-S-S-Y.......stare in that MIRROR son......"if it is to be....it's up to me" kinda thing.........cheesy but extremely effective
FOCUS...on something else.....like being as HEALTHY as you can be......construct the perfect diet.....try something novel > eat to fuel your body instead of as a form of pleasure......wanna go the bar?....go to the gym instead.....totally dedicate yourself to fitness.....you will find....especially as you begin to feel better...that there of course is simply no room for alcohol in your plan................
*TRUE......as with other things you wanna stop doing...you might find that it is much easier to stop drinking..... if you stop focusing on .....not drinking ...........................
The impediment to action advances action - what stands in the way becomes the way.
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PROBLEM.....with overcoming any of these 'addictions'?
*drugs......alcohol.......sex even..........
Is that we LOVE to reassure ourselves that somehow WE are not at fault......unseen forces prevent us from being the man we want to be wtf.....plus most is seen as kinda cool.....until you run out of cash or go to jail........................................
The inability seemingly......to stop drinking?
*usually suggests that your body simply metabolizes alcohol differently.....meaning that instead of being TOXIC / make you eventually feel worse....it instead acts as a stimulant might....meaning the more you drink......the BETTER you feel....AND..... if you are a compulsive basterd as well....also surrounding yourself with others that like to drink / pressure you to drink.........watch out.........
SURE.....focusing on OTHERS to solve your problem........might work occasionally
*BUT how 'bout this approach.......don't be such a P-U-S-S-Y.......stare in that MIRROR son......"if it is to be....it's up to me" kinda thing.........cheesy but extremely effective
FOCUS...on something else.....like being as HEALTHY as you can be......construct the perfect diet.....try something novel > eat to fuel your body instead of as a form of pleasure......wanna go the bar?....go to the gym instead.....totally dedicate yourself to fitness.....you will find....especially as you begin to feel better...that there of course is simply no room for alcohol in your plan................
*TRUE......as with other things you wanna stop doing...you might find that it is much easier to stop drinking..... if you stop focusing on .....not drinking ...........................
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