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https://www.cnn.com/2012/12/24/us/new-york-firefighters-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


On local news, it's believed man set house on fire then shot at firefighters as they arrived 
 
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low-life garbage scum
 
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that's brutal, imagine having to go put out a fire on christmas eve only to get shot at.  people are fuckin nuts.
 
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I can't wait for the spin doctors at the NRA to tell us we need to arm our firefighters.  The only thing that can stop an arsonist with a gun is a fireman with a gun.
 
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From the circumstances of this case I think it is more likely that the property owners had a meth lab which started on fire.  Once the firefighters came out to the blaze the tweekers shoot them.  The house was out in the country in upstate New York, kinda run down, basically a perfect set up for a meth lab.  Either way obviously pathetic when firefighters have no weapons of their own and just coming out to help people.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by konabuzz:

I can't wait for the spin doctors at the NRA to tell us we need to arm our firefighters.  The only thing that can stop an arsonist with a gun is a fireman with a gun.

As opposed to the far-left that think preventing the firefighters from owning guns will protect them from criminals with guns.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by jesron1269:

From the circumstances of this case I think it is more likely that the property owners had a meth lab which started on fire.  Once the firefighters came out to the blaze the tweekers shoot them.  The house was out in the country in upstate New York, kinda run down, basically a perfect set up for a meth lab.  Either way obviously pathetic when firefighters have no weapons of their own and just coming out to help people.

Sounds like American History X.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by konabuzz:

I can't wait for the spin doctors at the NRA to tell us we need to arm our firefighters.  The only thing that can stop an arsonist with a gun is a fireman with a gun.


What a joke of a country, You have pro gun wack jobs saying elementary schools need to have armed guards and now you get innocent firefighters shot on Christmas eve, Not everyone in America is bad but there's a lot of evil in that country and guns are helping that evil.

Oh and before the pro gun wack jobs try and have a pop at me, I'm off out so dont bother wasting your time. 
 
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On the local news that the shooter had done 17 years in relation to another death.
 
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As opposed to wanting to kill all non-Muslims.....................
 
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Very sad indeed and may they rest in peace. The gunman was shot dead also, so very well done to the police! Hope he rots in hell, scumbag.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SwishSwish1234:



What a joke of a country, You have pro gun wack jobs saying elementary schools need to have armed guards and now you get innocent firefighters shot on Christmas eve, Not everyone in America is bad but there's a lot of evil in that country and guns are helping that evil.

Oh and before the pro gun wack jobs try and have a pop at me, I'm off out so dont bother wasting your time. 

Translation: I can’t defend my opinion so I’m not even going to try.

 
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This guy could not own a gun legally.  He got his illegally.  So Gun control would have done nothing to stop this
 
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Quote Originally Posted by JEFFMARKETCAP:

This guy could not own a gun legally.  He got his illegally.  So Gun control would have done nothing to stop this


Oh Jeff, How dare you let facts interfere with fiction.
But lets not blame them, for they are the sheep that get taken to the slaughter house each and every day of there life.
 
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Why don't we hear more about these in the media: gunwatch.blogspot.com/2012/12/mass-killings-stopped-by-armed-citizens.html?m=1
 
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Quote Originally Posted by JEFFMARKETCAP:

This guy could not own a gun legally.  He got his illegally.  So Gun control would have done nothing to stop this

Well said.

The guuy should have never ben let out of jail, and so much for gun control theories.

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:

Sounds like American History X.

I have seen that movie a dozen times and I do not recall a scene of the nature I described.  We will know more once all the facts come out there was just something about it that didn't make sense.  We will see.

 
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this guy killed his 92yr old grandmother ...with a hammer......and was let out of prison after 17 yrs bc he was somehow allowed a plea of manslaughter  (nice job DAs office)......the fact that he committed such a prior crime may have been an indicator he wasn't a good dude and likely would kill again....this one is on the judicial system
 
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Quote Originally Posted by ICAPSports:

this guy killed his 92yr old grandmother ...with a hammer......and was let out of prison after 17 yrs bc he was somehow allowed a plea of manslaughter  (nice job DAs office)......the fact that he committed such a prior crime may have been an indicator he wasn't a good dude and likely would kill again....this one is on the judicial system



 
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Quote Originally Posted by Trigg:

Very sad indeed and may they rest in peace. The gunman was shot dead also, so very well done to the police! Hope he rots in hell, scumbag.

Not quite.  He died of a self inflicted gun shot to the head.

The guy set a trap and it's pretty obvious lives were going to be lost even if everyone who arrived on the scene was armed.  

Not sure if this is an "argument" for either "side."  Just something that is almost impossible to prevent no matter what.  

Like some have mentioned, this was a failure of the justice system. Would be interested to find out the specifics of the case involving the death of his grandma. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by JEFFMARKETCAP:

This guy could not own a gun legally.  He got his illegally.  So Gun control would have done nothing to stop this
GUN CONTROL WOULD KEEP ALOT MORE GUNS OFF THE STREET  WITCH MEANS IT WOULD BE ALOT HARDER AND ALOT MORE EXPENSIVE TO BUY ILLEGALLY.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by jesron1269:

I have seen that movie a dozen times and I do not recall a scene of the nature I described.  We will know more once all the facts come out there was just something about it that didn't make sense.  We will see.

Derek’s father was a firefighter that got shot and killed trying to put out a fire at a drug house in a rundown area.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by pucku27:

GUN CONTROL WOULD KEEP ALOT MORE GUNS OFF THE STREET  WITCH MEANS IT WOULD BE ALOT HARDER AND ALOT MORE EXPENSIVE TO BUY ILLEGALLY.

Yes, let’s do everything we can to prevent law-abiding citizens from being able to protect themselves and their families from criminals that DO have guns.

Also who is this “witch” you speak of?

 

 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:

Derek’s father was a firefighter that got shot and killed trying to put out a fire at a drug house in a rundown area.

Ha... good memory I forgot all about that point.  Yes you are right.  My bad.

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