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    Anyone think Draft kings and fanduel are fixed

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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2015 - 7:57 PM ET #1

    Does anyone think these are fixed. I cant believe some of the guys people pick and win the big money. Sometimes as soon as it starts someone has 10 points or more. I ll look to see who they picked and it would be someone like de aza from the red sox. I m like there is no possible way. Thanks for anyone ekses opinions
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    Does anyone think these are fixed. I cant believe some of the guys people pick and win the big money. Sometimes as soon as it starts someone has 10 points or more. I ll look to see who they picked and it would be someone like de aza from the red sox. I m like there is no possible way. Thanks for anyone ekses opinions
     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2015 - 8:04 PM ET #2

    I've never been into fantasy sports at all. I had a Fanduel account with a few bucks in it and started messing around a few weeks ago. I will do the $1, $2, $5 buyins. I know exactly what you mean because I always take scrubs and some of my guys will have monster games, and I'm never into the money.


    I know that some of these guys just play a ton of entries which helps their cause. Also with those multiple entries they just stack their teams with multiple players from the same teams. Think you can do for.


    I gave up when Houston was at Texas last week and it was like 13-8 in the 5th inning or so. I had 4 Astros and 4 Rangers. Beltre hit for the cycle. All of my guys killed it and I won nothing.
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    I've never been into fantasy sports at all. I had a Fanduel account with a few bucks in it and started messing around a few weeks ago. I will do the $1, $2, $5 buyins. I know exactly what you mean because I always take scrubs and some of my guys will have monster games, and I'm never into the money.


    I know that some of these guys just play a ton of entries which helps their cause. Also with those multiple entries they just stack their teams with multiple players from the same teams. Think you can do for.


    I gave up when Houston was at Texas last week and it was like 13-8 in the 5th inning or so. I had 4 Astros and 4 Rangers. Beltre hit for the cycle. All of my guys killed it and I won nothing.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2015 - 9:02 PM ET #3

    De Aza wouldn't be a bad pick he was leadoff tonight and is cheap.

    Yeah some of the players enter like 100 different combos of team stacks that's why you see weird low owned players
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    De Aza wouldn't be a bad pick he was leadoff tonight and is cheap.

    Yeah some of the players enter like 100 different combos of team stacks that's why you see weird low owned players
     
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    Posted: Aug. 20, 2015 - 7:17 PM ET #4

    If there are 100,000 entries, someone will have some scrub that is doing well.  But I agree, it kind of looks phony sometimes.  If you are gonna do fan duel or draft kings, pick head to head or with minimal entries so you have a better chance and you can monitor other peoples lineups.  I am pretty good at fantasy and I'm probably gonna do just that this year. 
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    If there are 100,000 entries, someone will have some scrub that is doing well.  But I agree, it kind of looks phony sometimes.  If you are gonna do fan duel or draft kings, pick head to head or with minimal entries so you have a better chance and you can monitor other peoples lineups.  I am pretty good at fantasy and I'm probably gonna do just that this year. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 20, 2015 - 7:26 PM ET #5

    Did some Draftstreet while that was around, there were some guys that were in every league, spending $1000's a day.   They were in every league in multiple sports from $1 all the way up to the $420 which was the highest back then I believe.   I doubt that was just one person....  It either had to be a group of people funding that one screen name, or it was someone that was funded by the company.   I've always thought those things were shady as hell.   I've won some money playing them, but never anything bigger than $100 or so.  

    I'm currently using DraftDay which isn't bad.   They have one option called Rapid Fire where you are given 10 players in 5 head to head matchups and you pick who you think will score more points... if you hit 3 out of 5 you win.   That is the way to go IMO.
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    Did some Draftstreet while that was around, there were some guys that were in every league, spending $1000's a day.   They were in every league in multiple sports from $1 all the way up to the $420 which was the highest back then I believe.   I doubt that was just one person....  It either had to be a group of people funding that one screen name, or it was someone that was funded by the company.   I've always thought those things were shady as hell.   I've won some money playing them, but never anything bigger than $100 or so.  

    I'm currently using DraftDay which isn't bad.   They have one option called Rapid Fire where you are given 10 players in 5 head to head matchups and you pick who you think will score more points... if you hit 3 out of 5 you win.   That is the way to go IMO.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 20, 2015 - 7:32 PM ET #6

    This stupidity is legal but local casinos can't take a $20 bet on a football game. 
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    This stupidity is legal but local casinos can't take a $20 bet on a football game. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 20, 2015 - 7:59 PM ET #7

    They blast fantasy sports all over stadiums and take a 20% rake.

    I use DraftKings and it seems legit, I'm up. Used FanDuel before and truly believe it's fixed.
    Obvisouly the more entries the easier it is to fix and the harder it is to track other teams. They always seem to fill spots the last few minutes before the event takes place which makes me think the site is tracking the rate players enter and the rate they need to fill the event...if they are coming up short they stack ghost teams and probably have the ability to change players on the fly (the first player to hit a 3run HR in the early games etc...)
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    They blast fantasy sports all over stadiums and take a 20% rake.

    I use DraftKings and it seems legit, I'm up. Used FanDuel before and truly believe it's fixed.
    Obvisouly the more entries the easier it is to fix and the harder it is to track other teams. They always seem to fill spots the last few minutes before the event takes place which makes me think the site is tracking the rate players enter and the rate they need to fill the event...if they are coming up short they stack ghost teams and probably have the ability to change players on the fly (the first player to hit a 3run HR in the early games etc...)
     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2015 - 8:31 AM ET #8

    These sites are brand spanking new in web years. Millions of dollars are up for grabs every single night. Just like the online poker sites which of course, were eventually found to be corrupted (and we'll never know to what extent) these sites DEFINITELY have their fair share of users exploiting every possible loophole (and there are tons early on which is RIGHT NOW) to grab huge chunks of that money (and years from now, you'll see them arrested when they get greedy, happens every time). NOTHING compares to betting a game straight up. Just deal with the juice and make sure your site pays out fast. I wouldn't touch these fantasy sites with a 10,000 foot pole.
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    These sites are brand spanking new in web years. Millions of dollars are up for grabs every single night. Just like the online poker sites which of course, were eventually found to be corrupted (and we'll never know to what extent) these sites DEFINITELY have their fair share of users exploiting every possible loophole (and there are tons early on which is RIGHT NOW) to grab huge chunks of that money (and years from now, you'll see them arrested when they get greedy, happens every time). NOTHING compares to betting a game straight up. Just deal with the juice and make sure your site pays out fast. I wouldn't touch these fantasy sites with a 10,000 foot pole.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2015 - 10:10 PM ET #9

    The rake is outrageous, they will kill the golden goose somehow, someway. 

    I'd imagine with competition either DK or FD would look to crush the others credibility if they were running an unfair game and steal their customers but what do I know.

    Why not just play heads up or smaller fields? You can screen capture everyone's team at the start.
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    The rake is outrageous, they will kill the golden goose somehow, someway. 

    I'd imagine with competition either DK or FD would look to crush the others credibility if they were running an unfair game and steal their customers but what do I know.

    Why not just play heads up or smaller fields? You can screen capture everyone's team at the start.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2015 - 10:25 PM ET #10

    i'm surprised it took this long to get a fixed threat for that here
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    i'm surprised it took this long to get a fixed threat for that here
     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2015 - 10:37 PM ET #11

    Don't think its rigged but there are definitely handfuls of grinders who put hours and hours into their research, data aggregation,and formulas to predict which players are under-valued and mispriced.   Smaller leagues are the way to go, the big ones are just too impossible to win w so many players you need the luckybreaks to win.
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    Don't think its rigged but there are definitely handfuls of grinders who put hours and hours into their research, data aggregation,and formulas to predict which players are under-valued and mispriced.   Smaller leagues are the way to go, the big ones are just too impossible to win w so many players you need the luckybreaks to win.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2015 - 10:52 PM ET #12

    BTW there is a new company, up and coming (with some very good $ backing as I'm told) could be better than DK and FD called SportsLock.  They do a drafting model instead of salary cap, and if you are in a bigger league than heads-up, it is a bracket format, very solid.  
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    BTW there is a new company, up and coming (with some very good $ backing as I'm told) could be better than DK and FD called SportsLock.  They do a drafting model instead of salary cap, and if you are in a bigger league than heads-up, it is a bracket format, very solid.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michfan15:

    BTW there is a new company, up and coming (with some very good $ backing as I'm told) could be better than DK and FD called SportsLock.  They do a drafting model instead of salary cap, and if you are in a bigger league than heads-up, it is a bracket format, very solid.  

    What does the rake look like? Review?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michfan15:

    BTW there is a new company, up and coming (with some very good $ backing as I'm told) could be better than DK and FD called SportsLock.  They do a drafting model instead of salary cap, and if you are in a bigger league than heads-up, it is a bracket format, very solid.  

    What does the rake look like? Review?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2015 - 5:30 AM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubTrash:

    This stupidity is legal but local casinos can't take a $20 bet on a football game. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubTrash:

    This stupidity is legal but local casinos can't take a $20 bet on a football game. 

     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2015 - 8:23 AM ET #15

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    Why would it not be fixed? Ask yourself that! Morality, ethics and goodwill..lols

    I dont care how big these sites become, there's no way of knowing that they not are pooling the results with anonymous users that can't be tracked down.

    If the site used just one "dummy" account that belongs to the corporation and enters it in every contest, every day, it would likely put millions of extra dollars back into the company by year's end. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flutiemaniac341:

    Why would it not be fixed? Ask yourself that! Morality, ethics and goodwill..lols

    I dont care how big these sites become, there's no way of knowing that they not are pooling the results with anonymous users that can't be tracked down.

    If the site used just one "dummy" account that belongs to the corporation and enters it in every contest, every day, it would likely put millions of extra dollars back into the company by year's end. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2015 - 10:44 AM ET #16

    Hard to say. But I know 3 diff guys that hit big and I mean big.  Maybe some contests are legit.  Also known a few to win a tad. But most guys I know are always out of the money.  Amazing how much money they have in play though. 
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    Hard to say. But I know 3 diff guys that hit big and I mean big.  Maybe some contests are legit.  Also known a few to win a tad. But most guys I know are always out of the money.  Amazing how much money they have in play though. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2015 - 10:45 AM ET #17

    How much money the contests have in play not the individuals. Who knows though. Maybe the individuals also. Haha!
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    How much money the contests have in play not the individuals. Who knows though. Maybe the individuals also. Haha!
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2015 - 2:18 PM ET #18

    I can tell you first hand experience the highest I have ever won in the 27 dollar daily baseball entry game was $750.00.  It was on a night where FOUR of my guys had two or more HR's, and not one of my guys finished under 11 pts on the day.

    Yet I still only finished what I believe is 12 or 13th place!  

    I think it was on the day that Kirk Neuinheiieeiseeiseeis became a Met and crushed 3 HR's.  Somehow the people that won in front of me....picked that guy.  He wasn't even in the lineup until maybe 15-20 before 1st pitch.  Others had Jesus Sucre who hit his first ever MLB HR.  

    What I think happens is DraftKings will insert their own lineups.  Though I don't think they update them during the games, I just think they insert WAYYYYYYY more teams than the original 4K-7K that is allowed to enter.  In essence, you are probably playing against over 20-25 maybe 30K of lineups, most of them built by DK themselves.

    You can still win money, but without Gray's Sports Almanac AND THEN some luck after that, don't count on finishing in the top 3 ever.
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    I can tell you first hand experience the highest I have ever won in the 27 dollar daily baseball entry game was $750.00.  It was on a night where FOUR of my guys had two or more HR's, and not one of my guys finished under 11 pts on the day.

    Yet I still only finished what I believe is 12 or 13th place!  

    I think it was on the day that Kirk Neuinheiieeiseeiseeis became a Met and crushed 3 HR's.  Somehow the people that won in front of me....picked that guy.  He wasn't even in the lineup until maybe 15-20 before 1st pitch.  Others had Jesus Sucre who hit his first ever MLB HR.  

    What I think happens is DraftKings will insert their own lineups.  Though I don't think they update them during the games, I just think they insert WAYYYYYYY more teams than the original 4K-7K that is allowed to enter.  In essence, you are probably playing against over 20-25 maybe 30K of lineups, most of them built by DK themselves.

    You can still win money, but without Gray's Sports Almanac AND THEN some luck after that, don't count on finishing in the top 3 ever.
     
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    Well ive played on fanduel but never draft kings ill give you my opinion.  I don't know if you would call it cheating.  I can tell you this they use computer databases to help them pick players.  Its kind of like stock trading computer software you can buy.  Is it cheating well not technically.  But it gives you a huge advantage.

    Computers look at stats categorized over a number of years and they can accurately predict who is going to have a good game against a certain opponent in any give night.  People have said in chat they used computer software to do there line up.  That's why you see some people with 100+ entries.  They don't spend a lot of time on it computer software comes up with players that are likely to have a good night and generates teams then they plug the players in.  The person just enters those players and submits a team.

    I know people that collude together in the 50/50s to to win money.  They enter multiple times maybe combining money and sharing profits.  Roomates and such things like that.  If you have  a 50 player 25 dollar entry fee thing do you have better odds of winning something with 1 entries in it or 10 entries in it?  I know a number of people that work together on there rosters to.

    People will do whatever when it comes to money.  I won an nba tournament for over 2000 dollars but I did not win money overall on the site.  I would stick with the heads up matches think that's your best chance to win I liked the 100 dollar heads up with rcgpoker and sox. 

    I really liked the site I played without problems for about two and a half years until fanduel changed the rules.  There was no restricted states then one day they came up with a list of five out of thin air apparently.  I have records showing my scores and my payment transfers from paypal.  Not one problem but fanduel changed the rules and won't let me play because iowa is one of those states.  I cancelled my account id say 7 to 8 months ago.  I enjoyed it its fun.  Is it 100% legit I wouldn't bank on it.  Its a shame that a company like that can just change rules out of thin air.

    Miss playing csuram88,sox, and rcgpoker I was moneyman83.

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    Well ive played on fanduel but never draft kings ill give you my opinion.  I don't know if you would call it cheating.  I can tell you this they use computer databases to help them pick players.  Its kind of like stock trading computer software you can buy.  Is it cheating well not technically.  But it gives you a huge advantage.

    Computers look at stats categorized over a number of years and they can accurately predict who is going to have a good game against a certain opponent in any give night.  People have said in chat they used computer software to do there line up.  That's why you see some people with 100+ entries.  They don't spend a lot of time on it computer software comes up with players that are likely to have a good night and generates teams then they plug the players in.  The person just enters those players and submits a team.

    I know people that collude together in the 50/50s to to win money.  They enter multiple times maybe combining money and sharing profits.  Roomates and such things like that.  If you have  a 50 player 25 dollar entry fee thing do you have better odds of winning something with 1 entries in it or 10 entries in it?  I know a number of people that work together on there rosters to.

    People will do whatever when it comes to money.  I won an nba tournament for over 2000 dollars but I did not win money overall on the site.  I would stick with the heads up matches think that's your best chance to win I liked the 100 dollar heads up with rcgpoker and sox. 

    I really liked the site I played without problems for about two and a half years until fanduel changed the rules.  There was no restricted states then one day they came up with a list of five out of thin air apparently.  I have records showing my scores and my payment transfers from paypal.  Not one problem but fanduel changed the rules and won't let me play because iowa is one of those states.  I cancelled my account id say 7 to 8 months ago.  I enjoyed it its fun.  Is it 100% legit I wouldn't bank on it.  Its a shame that a company like that can just change rules out of thin air.

    Miss playing csuram88,sox, and rcgpoker I was moneyman83.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2015 - 4:46 PM ET #20

    Baseball has so much variance but it may be confirmation bias. You don't know how many lineups get entered by the same guy in the GPP's and there are plenty of people at the bottom of the leader board who play scrubs who go 0 fer.

    Heads up or small leagues is what I prefer anyways. The 50/50 isn't bad for bases but the rake kills the enjoyment for me more than anything.


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    Baseball has so much variance but it may be confirmation bias. You don't know how many lineups get entered by the same guy in the GPP's and there are plenty of people at the bottom of the leader board who play scrubs who go 0 fer.

    Heads up or small leagues is what I prefer anyways. The 50/50 isn't bad for bases but the rake kills the enjoyment for me more than anything.


     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2015 - 6:52 PM ET #21

    It's the # of entries. With 1,000's there will be some near perfect lineups out there. Many players enter 20+ lineups with lots of variation to try and catch the scrub with a big night. With a 20% rake and lots of outside investment these guys have no reason to risk a crooked game. My experience from several years ago is to make sure you spend a lot of time researching. Your competition will be. Casual fantasy players have almost no chance.
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    It's the # of entries. With 1,000's there will be some near perfect lineups out there. Many players enter 20+ lineups with lots of variation to try and catch the scrub with a big night. With a 20% rake and lots of outside investment these guys have no reason to risk a crooked game. My experience from several years ago is to make sure you spend a lot of time researching. Your competition will be. Casual fantasy players have almost no chance.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by LT56MVP:

    Does anyone think these are fixed. I cant believe some of the guys people pick and win the big money. Sometimes as soon as it starts someone has 10 points or more. I ll look to see who they picked and it would be someone like de aza from the red sox. I m like there is no possible way. Thanks for anyone ekses opinions

    Of course the game is fixed... same as any other game online that uses algorithms to determine the rake.  They are taking 20-40% vig.

    You are a fool to play fantasy crap or online poker or BJ.  Live games are the only option unfortunately. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by LT56MVP:

    Does anyone think these are fixed. I cant believe some of the guys people pick and win the big money. Sometimes as soon as it starts someone has 10 points or more. I ll look to see who they picked and it would be someone like de aza from the red sox. I m like there is no possible way. Thanks for anyone ekses opinions

    Of course the game is fixed... same as any other game online that uses algorithms to determine the rake.  They are taking 20-40% vig.

    You are a fool to play fantasy crap or online poker or BJ.  Live games are the only option unfortunately. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 30, 2015 - 3:24 PM ET #23

    I'm in Arizona. On the site it states that if you live in AZ your not eligible to play. Anyone know the way around this without having someone in another state as your stand-in? Thx in advance.
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    I'm in Arizona. On the site it states that if you live in AZ your not eligible to play. Anyone know the way around this without having someone in another state as your stand-in? Thx in advance.
     
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    Fixed or not, and there is some debate as to what the 'fixing' is, you are a fool if you continue to waste your time on these sites after reading this:

    Just 1.3% of daily fantasy sports players earn 91% of player profits

    https://calvinayre.com/2015/09/04/business/tiny-sliver-daily-fantasy-sports-players-earn-bulk-profits/

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    Fixed or not, and there is some debate as to what the 'fixing' is, you are a fool if you continue to waste your time on these sites after reading this:

    Just 1.3% of daily fantasy sports players earn 91% of player profits

    https://calvinayre.com/2015/09/04/business/tiny-sliver-daily-fantasy-sports-players-earn-bulk-profits/

     
     
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    Meanwhile, just 1.3% of all DFS players accounted for 40% of fees and won 91% of player profits. The bulk of this upper echelon spent an average of $9,100 on fees, on which they realized profits of $2,400, while accounting for 23% of all fees and 77% of the profits.

    The top 11 players of this 1.3% are the true DFS sharks, spending an average of $2m in entry fees and realizing profits of $135k apiece. These 11 players accounted for 17% of all entry fees.

    On the flip side of that equation, 5% of players are DFS’ ‘big fish,’ accountable for 36% of entry fees and 75% of all losses. These whales spent an average of $3,600 entering DFS contests, losing about $1,100 in the process. (The remaining 16% of fees were contributed by another 13.7% of players.)

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    Meanwhile, just 1.3% of all DFS players accounted for 40% of fees and won 91% of player profits. The bulk of this upper echelon spent an average of $9,100 on fees, on which they realized profits of $2,400, while accounting for 23% of all fees and 77% of the profits.

    The top 11 players of this 1.3% are the true DFS sharks, spending an average of $2m in entry fees and realizing profits of $135k apiece. These 11 players accounted for 17% of all entry fees.

    On the flip side of that equation, 5% of players are DFS’ ‘big fish,’ accountable for 36% of entry fees and 75% of all losses. These whales spent an average of $3,600 entering DFS contests, losing about $1,100 in the process. (The remaining 16% of fees were contributed by another 13.7% of players.)

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