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    Posted: Nov. 29, 2009 - 3:33 AM ET #26

    The more games you add, the lower your odds go, which leads to more of this


    And I just want to point out that vvryan1 has skills Hooraaaay skills!
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    The more games you add, the lower your odds go, which leads to more of this


    And I just want to point out that vvryan1 has skills Hooraaaay skills!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 29, 2009 - 3:34 AM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by vvryan11:

    And no there are no other x number of team parlays that can cover themselves. Here's an article that shows actual odds of several x number of team parlays, even has house edge.  https://www.hotstreaks.com/articles/35.asp Hope this helps. 
    Ok I will read it...thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vvryan11:

    And no there are no other x number of team parlays that can cover themselves. Here's an article that shows actual odds of several x number of team parlays, even has house edge.  https://www.hotstreaks.com/articles/35.asp Hope this helps. 
    Ok I will read it...thanks.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 29, 2009 - 3:44 AM ET #28

    After a 9 team parlay the house edge actually goes down for a 10 team parlay.  By the time you get to a 20 team parlay the house edge could be to 0 or negative.  Plus your one dollar bet might make you a millionaire, you should look into it.
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    After a 9 team parlay the house edge actually goes down for a 10 team parlay.  By the time you get to a 20 team parlay the house edge could be to 0 or negative.  Plus your one dollar bet might make you a millionaire, you should look into it.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 29, 2009 - 3:45 AM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by Spitfire15:

    vvryan, how did you come up with 64?  Just curious because I should know this but I tried 2 different methods and came up with 28 (which I knew was wrong because it is less than the 46 you could win) and 72.

    You guys are making this way too hard. I did too at first but its really simple. 6 teams total. 2 possible outcomes for each team. (either + or - the points /over under.. whatever) 2x2x2x2x2x2= 64
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spitfire15:

    vvryan, how did you come up with 64?  Just curious because I should know this but I tried 2 different methods and came up with 28 (which I knew was wrong because it is less than the 46 you could win) and 72.

    You guys are making this way too hard. I did too at first but its really simple. 6 teams total. 2 possible outcomes for each team. (either + or - the points /over under.. whatever) 2x2x2x2x2x2= 64
     
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    Posted: Nov. 29, 2009 - 3:53 AM ET #30

    After reading the article, I basically found out the same thing I already knew--a 2 team parlay has only 4 possible combinations--one of them will be right.  Then it talked alot about odds and how they always make a profit.  But the example used only a 2 or 3 team parlay where the house will most certainly come out ahead.

    But, as you add more teams to the parlay...the win amount goes up...and if you add over 6...it really starts to move.  So as the payouts go up, you have the ability to bet more and more possible parlay combinations (just like when we had 2 or 3, but were taking a loss), with higher payouts...my question is...can all the different parlay combinations be bet using let's say $1...and there be a point where the player would be able to profit...

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    After reading the article, I basically found out the same thing I already knew--a 2 team parlay has only 4 possible combinations--one of them will be right.  Then it talked alot about odds and how they always make a profit.  But the example used only a 2 or 3 team parlay where the house will most certainly come out ahead.

    But, as you add more teams to the parlay...the win amount goes up...and if you add over 6...it really starts to move.  So as the payouts go up, you have the ability to bet more and more possible parlay combinations (just like when we had 2 or 3, but were taking a loss), with higher payouts...my question is...can all the different parlay combinations be bet using let's say $1...and there be a point where the player would be able to profit...

     
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    Posted: Nov. 29, 2009 - 3:59 AM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by vvryan11:


    You guys are making this way too hard. I did too at first but its really simple. 6 teams total. 2 possible outcomes for each team. (either + or - the points /over under.. whatever) 2x2x2x2x2x2= 64
     You telling me there are 128 different combinations for a 7-team parlay?

    On a side note: I checked and...a $1 bet on a 12-team parlay would pay $1800.00...too bad I don't know the point total for every NFL game this week. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by vvryan11:


    You guys are making this way too hard. I did too at first but its really simple. 6 teams total. 2 possible outcomes for each team. (either + or - the points /over under.. whatever) 2x2x2x2x2x2= 64
     You telling me there are 128 different combinations for a 7-team parlay?

    On a side note: I checked and...a $1 bet on a 12-team parlay would pay $1800.00...too bad I don't know the point total for every NFL game this week. lol

     
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    Posted: Nov. 29, 2009 - 4:04 AM ET #32

    Holy shit give it up already, fuck.   Congrats, you can guarantee yourself an $1800 winner this weekend by spending a dollar on over 4,000 parlay combos.


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    Holy shit give it up already, fuck.   Congrats, you can guarantee yourself an $1800 winner this weekend by spending a dollar on over 4,000 parlay combos.


     
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    Posted: Nov. 29, 2009 - 4:17 AM ET #33

    Well then ok...but tell me how many possible conbinations it would take to cover all possibilities of a 3 team parlay?
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    Well then ok...but tell me how many possible conbinations it would take to cover all possibilities of a 3 team parlay?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 29, 2009 - 4:35 AM ET #34

    NVM...I finally got it. lol

    I was confusing myself so much.  Guess it's not really ever possible guarantee that you get them all right, and at the same time make a profit.

    However, this could be used on parlays where you felt really confident about 2 or 3 picks and you wanted to throw in other picks you were not sure about.  Then just pick the same 2 or 3 in the all parlays (and hope you were right) and then use different combinations for the other picks you were not as sure on.  Maybe that would work.  But guess there could always be upsets that would change everything.

      I get it now!   

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    NVM...I finally got it. lol

    I was confusing myself so much.  Guess it's not really ever possible guarantee that you get them all right, and at the same time make a profit.

    However, this could be used on parlays where you felt really confident about 2 or 3 picks and you wanted to throw in other picks you were not sure about.  Then just pick the same 2 or 3 in the all parlays (and hope you were right) and then use different combinations for the other picks you were not as sure on.  Maybe that would work.  But guess there could always be upsets that would change everything.

      I get it now!   

     
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    Posted: Nov. 29, 2009 - 4:35 AM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by After_I_Win:

     You telling me there are 128 different combinations for a 7-team parlay?

    On a side note: I checked and...a $1 bet on a 12-team parlay would pay $1800.00...too bad I don't know the point total for every NFL game this week. lol



    Yes. It has been explained more then once in this thread.

    For any number (X) of games, the total possible combination's is 2 to the power of X.

    So for 7 games there are 128 possible combination's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by After_I_Win:

     You telling me there are 128 different combinations for a 7-team parlay?

    On a side note: I checked and...a $1 bet on a 12-team parlay would pay $1800.00...too bad I don't know the point total for every NFL game this week. lol



    Yes. It has been explained more then once in this thread.

    For any number (X) of games, the total possible combination's is 2 to the power of X.

    So for 7 games there are 128 possible combination's.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 29, 2009 - 8:28 AM ET #36

    Dude, give it up already. Unless ALL the dogs come in, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO TURN A PROFIT.


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    Dude, give it up already. Unless ALL the dogs come in, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO TURN A PROFIT.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by hugh613:

    Dude, give it up already. Unless ALL the dogs come in, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO TURN A PROFIT.




    Why would you give him another idea to play with  

    If you only parlay all the underdogs one of them has to win, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hugh613:

    Dude, give it up already. Unless ALL the dogs come in, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO TURN A PROFIT.




    Why would you give him another idea to play with  

    If you only parlay all the underdogs one of them has to win, right?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spitfire15:



    Why would you give him another idea to play with  

    If you only parlay all the underdogs one of them has to win, right?
    Yeah, but he's talking about covering EVERY possible scenario, no matter who wins (Underdog or Favourite). If all the heavy juice favourites come in, guess what? You're still losing money!

    Don't you think Vegas and the online books take these things into consideration when they set parlay odds? For the love of God!







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    Why would you give him another idea to play with  

    If you only parlay all the underdogs one of them has to win, right?
    Yeah, but he's talking about covering EVERY possible scenario, no matter who wins (Underdog or Favourite). If all the heavy juice favourites come in, guess what? You're still losing money!

    Don't you think Vegas and the online books take these things into consideration when they set parlay odds? For the love of God!







     
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    Somebody please tell me I didnt just take 15 minutes of my life to read this thread.

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    Somebody please tell me I didnt just take 15 minutes of my life to read this thread.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Somebody please tell me I didnt just take 15 minutes of my life to read this thread.

    15 minutes? You need to work on your speed reading van.
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    Somebody please tell me I didnt just take 15 minutes of my life to read this thread.

    15 minutes? You need to work on your speed reading van.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by After_I_Win:

    My brain is hurting trying to figure this out...so if you can help and explain that would be cool.

    Ok so this is about parlays (betting on multiple picks and they all must win or the parlay loses...I'm sure you all knew that).

    Ok so let's say I wanted to bet on multiple parlays so that I could hopefully get one right.  Is there a way that anyone can think of in that you could bet on multiple parlays and cover every possible outcome from the different games you picked?  I have tried to put this on paper, but my head hurts after trying to think of it...it's very confusing...for those mental ones amoung us...continue on...

    Ok so for an example:

    Let's start with a 2 team parlay using games.  Let's say it was Dallas and Oakland; and Green Bay and Detroit on Thanksgiving.  Now let's try to cover every possible outcome by betting parlays on those games. (I will use moneyline to make it easier).

    Ok so I figure that, to cover every possible outcome and guarantee a win, one would need to bet on 4 different parlays to cover the 2 team parlay. 

    Let's say we pick Dallas and Green Bay to win in one parlay.  Then the 2nd parlay would have to be Oak and Detroit in case of an upset.  Now let's say Dal wins and Detroit wins--parlay 3.  Then that leaves parlay 4 with Green Bay and Oak winning.  So by betting on 4 different parlays, each possible winning combination has been covered.  We will end up losing 3 of them, and winning 1.

    Now this is where it gets tricky.  Let's say we want to add on more games.  Let's say up to a 6 team parlay.  Let's add on the other Thanksgiving Day game (NYG vs. Den).   Ok so I figured that to make the 2 team parlay that we have correct above, into a 3 team parlay...all we would have to do is add a NYG win, and a Den win to each of the combinations above.  This would require that we now use 12 parlays to cover all combinations (if I have it right).  Because we have 4 parlays above and now we are making a new parlay for each different possible outcome.

    So does anyone know if it is possible to cover all possible outcomes of a 6 team parlay?  And how many parlays would it take to have a correct combination in one of them?



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    Quote Originally Posted by After_I_Win:

    My brain is hurting trying to figure this out...so if you can help and explain that would be cool.

    Ok so this is about parlays (betting on multiple picks and they all must win or the parlay loses...I'm sure you all knew that).

    Ok so let's say I wanted to bet on multiple parlays so that I could hopefully get one right.  Is there a way that anyone can think of in that you could bet on multiple parlays and cover every possible outcome from the different games you picked?  I have tried to put this on paper, but my head hurts after trying to think of it...it's very confusing...for those mental ones amoung us...continue on...

    Ok so for an example:

    Let's start with a 2 team parlay using games.  Let's say it was Dallas and Oakland; and Green Bay and Detroit on Thanksgiving.  Now let's try to cover every possible outcome by betting parlays on those games. (I will use moneyline to make it easier).

    Ok so I figure that, to cover every possible outcome and guarantee a win, one would need to bet on 4 different parlays to cover the 2 team parlay. 

    Let's say we pick Dallas and Green Bay to win in one parlay.  Then the 2nd parlay would have to be Oak and Detroit in case of an upset.  Now let's say Dal wins and Detroit wins--parlay 3.  Then that leaves parlay 4 with Green Bay and Oak winning.  So by betting on 4 different parlays, each possible winning combination has been covered.  We will end up losing 3 of them, and winning 1.

    Now this is where it gets tricky.  Let's say we want to add on more games.  Let's say up to a 6 team parlay.  Let's add on the other Thanksgiving Day game (NYG vs. Den).   Ok so I figured that to make the 2 team parlay that we have correct above, into a 3 team parlay...all we would have to do is add a NYG win, and a Den win to each of the combinations above.  This would require that we now use 12 parlays to cover all combinations (if I have it right).  Because we have 4 parlays above and now we are making a new parlay for each different possible outcome.

    So does anyone know if it is possible to cover all possible outcomes of a 6 team parlay?  And how many parlays would it take to have a correct combination in one of them?



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     For 5 game parlay there’s 36 combos 1$ each will have a 29$ loss with a 85$ win witch will leave your profits at around the 50$ area the point is to play 5 games that all have a underdog and atleast one team with a hit underdog that you think will hit put those five teams at 1$ each 

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     So does anyone know if it is possible to cover all possible outcomes of a 6 team parlay? And how many parlays would it take to have a correct combination in one of them?

    Here is the math.

    For 110 110

    2 teams 2 squared 4. 

    This bet loses. Because of the juice.

    So 3

    2 cubed 2x2x2 one in 8

    4 teams 

    2x2x2x2 2 to the 4th 1 in 16

    2x2x2x2x2 2 to the 5th power 1/32

    2x2x2x2x2x2 2 to the 6th 1 /64

    Ect.....

    If the odds are offset say horses. And a 1/8 wins the first race on a 6 race ticket as example implied odds and actual 50/50 greatly exaggerated to add value in bets....

     

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    Here is the math.

    For 110 110

    2 teams 2 squared 4. 

    This bet loses. Because of the juice.

    So 3

    2 cubed 2x2x2 one in 8

    4 teams 

    2x2x2x2 2 to the 4th 1 in 16

    2x2x2x2x2 2 to the 5th power 1/32

    2x2x2x2x2x2 2 to the 6th 1 /64

    Ect.....

    If the odds are offset say horses. And a 1/8 wins the first race on a 6 race ticket as example implied odds and actual 50/50 greatly exaggerated to add value in bets....

     

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