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bunny651

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Posted: Apr. 12, 2017 - 12:37 AM ET #26

Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:

I have a major issue with this.

I know most here would cheer for this imbecile of a Dr if he received a big money settlement.

Screw those "corporate fukks" (shout out to my buddy Goose)

The problem with this line of thinking is that the large corporations do not pay the fines/lawsuits, we do.

If I need to explain this to you, you're lost causes so I won't waste my time.

I respectfully disagree with your line of thinking as well.

First of all, United put herself into that position all by herself. There is no relevance in what his past history might be or how he reacted.

Other than the Airline industry, it is probably considered illegal to sell the same seat/ticket for an event more than once. Basically, a paying customer who boarded the plane without incident was physically removed just because United could do it. What other choices do the customers have besides suing?

Hugh_Jorgan

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Posted: Apr. 12, 2017 - 5:41 AM ET #27

Quote Originally Posted by bunny651:

I respectfully disagree with your line of thinking as well.

First of all, United put herself into that position all by herself. There is no relevance in what his past history might be or how he reacted.

Bunny, my post was not meant to be pro-airline, or anti-passenger.

I think the airlines rules regarding an over-booked flight suck.

But there are a few important aspects of this story to consider ...

1) UA has the legal right to remove any passenger

2) Once a passenger refuses to leave the plane, airport security has the legal right to forcibly remove that passenger

3) Any settlement this Dr might be awarded does not punish UA.

4) If this Dr receives a penny it will be because he broke the law, became aggressive with law enforcement, and behaved in a manner that if my kids would have done so there would have been hell to pay once we got home.

Now everyone hopes the imbecile gets a huge settlement.

UA will not pay a single friggin penny to this man. Not one!

The insurance company makes the payment.

Insurance companies then review risks when pricing out policies.

Next year, all airline carriers insurance premiums go up because this poorly behaving passenger "got paid"

Airlines do not eat this extra expense, they pass it along to us.

So if you fly on a plane, you in fact are paying for this idiot Dr's windfall.

BTW, this is the same Dr who was convicted of trading pills for sex.

So you guys cheer for him.

Me, I cheer for those who obey the law and behave appropriately.

Dr Douche did neither.

Again, the airlines rules regarding this totally suck, but those are the rules.

Don't like them? Then drive

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Hugh_Jorgan

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Posted: Apr. 12, 2017 - 6:18 AM ET #28

and of course ... this is all Trump's fault ...

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/04/11/star-trek-actor-blames-trump-for-united-passenger-being-dragged-away/

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JOHNNY_ODAE

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Posted: Apr. 12, 2017 - 8:44 AM ET #29

From Fortune website: 1.4 Billion $ stock drop in one full trading day . United in a wee bit of a spot!!

ClubDirt

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Posted: Apr. 12, 2017 - 9:56 AM ET #30

Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:

Bunny, my post was not meant to be pro-airline, or anti-passenger.

I think the airlines rules regarding an over-booked flight suck.

But there are a few important aspects of this story to consider ...

1) UA has the legal right to remove any passenger

2) Once a passenger refuses to leave the plane, airport security has the legal right to forcibly remove that passenger

3) Any settlement this Dr might be awarded does not punish UA.

Now everyone hopes the imbecile gets a huge settlement.

UA will not pay a single friggin penny to this man. Not one!

The insurance company makes the payment.

Insurance companies then review risks when pricing out policies.

Next year, all airline carriers insurance premiums go up because this poorly behaving passenger "got paid"

Airlines do not eat this extra expense, they pass it along to us.

So if you fly on a plane, you in fact are paying for this idiot Dr's windfall.

BTW, this is the same Dr who was convicted of trading pills for sex.

So you guys cheer for him.

Me, I cheer for those who obey the law and behave appropriately.

Dr Douche did neither.

Again, the airlines rules regarding this totally suck, but those are the rules.

Don't like them? Then drive

i'm not sure united does have the right to remove the passenger. this definitely is not my area so i'm not speaking from experience, but i've read some things that suggest united did not have a right to do what they did. one issue is that the flight was not overbooked. the law (because corporate fukks buy politicians who in turn make very favorable laws for big companies like this) allows airplines to overbook and the people get fucked as a result, but this doesn't sound like an overbooking situation. it sounds like this guy had a reserved, confirmed seat on a full flight and united wanted to get some of their employees on the flight to get to another flight. that's different.

if people are interested, i can try to find the summary i found which indicates united might have a legal problem here.

also, when i said united is going to pay, the lawsuit will be one thing but that will be pennies to united. they are and will continue to pay in lost customers and stock price. that won't be pennies. just unbelievably stupid by united. amazing successful companies can run a business like this.

Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:

Bunny, my post was not meant to be pro-airline, or anti-passenger.

I think the airlines rules regarding an over-booked flight suck.

But there are a few important aspects of this story to consider ...

1) UA has the legal right to remove any passenger

2) Once a passenger refuses to leave the plane, airport security has the legal right to forcibly remove that passenger

3) Any settlement this Dr might be awarded does not punish UA.

Now everyone hopes the imbecile gets a huge settlement.

UA will not pay a single friggin penny to this man. Not one!

The insurance company makes the payment.

Insurance companies then review risks when pricing out policies.

Next year, all airline carriers insurance premiums go up because this poorly behaving passenger "got paid"

Airlines do not eat this extra expense, they pass it along to us.

So if you fly on a plane, you in fact are paying for this idiot Dr's windfall.

BTW, this is the same Dr who was convicted of trading pills for sex.

So you guys cheer for him.

Me, I cheer for those who obey the law and behave appropriately.

Dr Douche did neither.

Again, the airlines rules regarding this totally suck, but those are the rules.

Don't like them? Then drive

ClubDirt

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Posted: Apr. 12, 2017 - 10:16 AM ET #31

also, i need to get you guys thinking right about lawsuits. there are really two concepts to these kinds of claims. one, the injured party gets compensated for his injuries/lost wages, etc. like car accident claims. so, if someone gets whiplash, he might get a few thousand and if he gets paralyzed, he gets millions. two, you need to teach a company a lesson about how it operates and how it treats people because there is no other way in our legal system to make them understand. this case and the erin andrews case fall into this category.

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