Im bored. No sports for me to bet on. How about a religion thread?

This is the same reason they took away Milli Vanillis' Grammy.

Religion basically boils down to this:

If you believe, no explanation is necessary.

If you dont believe, no explanation is possible. 

LOL, not really mate, i like talking to people on this site. This site has a very interesting demographic.

By looking at what people write, there are alot of people who drink most days, gamble, take drugs, prostitutes, dont believe in God etc. Now not for 1 minute do i suggest i am better or worse than these people, in fact these people in the eyes of God could be better people than me, not here to judge.

But it seems that generally the people that are slaves to these evil things on this earth are the ones who not only dont believe in God but bad mouth him. I am just trying to get people to open there eyes and make them realise that this world isnt about drugs, alcohol, prostitutes, gambling etc etc

Its very easy to get down and depressed when you are the slaves to these evil things, just open there eyes to the real purpose of this life.

  I will pray for God to help you.

We should both pray for Vanzack tonight as well. 

Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:

And I'm sure Vanzack will think for you...

 But how is that possible ?

According to you we share no spiritual connection.

You just nailed yourself.

Human nature is to take the easy way out is it not?

If there is no God and i can steal your wallet and get away with it in terms of the law, there is NO reason why i shouldnt steal it.

In the eyes of death, me who steals the wallet is just as equal as the person who doesnt. In 1 millions years time, it will be insignificant. Furthermore, to the naturlist, isnt it all about aurvival of the fittest? If i can steal your wallet, then surely it is ok as it will enable me to steal?

It doesnt matter what i feel, if you can get away with anything, then it is worthwhile doing it if there is no God

I see the dopes have arrived en masse!

Carry on.

Not quite as bored as I was earlier, this has helped.

Well good, I am glad our Lord and savior Jesus has helped us provide you with some entertainment.  Just for future reference sloth is one of the seven deadly sins. 

Appparently you dont go around stealing wallets because you might get in trouble, by the law or by the man upstairs and I think that makes you 50x worse of a person than me or the nunchuk guru Vanzack.

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Quote Originally Posted by samuelsosa:

The reason I dont go around stealing wallets is because I am not a lowlife asshole. I have my things, and you have yours [a wallet]..........and that is fine with me. I am not jealous of anyone nor do I wish I was anyone. Me not stealing wallets has nothing to do with the little man in the sky. Whether there was a god, no god, 6gods, laws, no laws, I wouldnt steal anyones fuckin' wallet because I am a good person whether I believe in god or not.

Appparently you dont go around stealing wallets because you might get in trouble, by the law or by the man upstairs and I think that makes you 50x worse of a person than me or the nunchuk guru Vanzack.

Wow you are really judgemental up there on your high horse are you sure you can't see God ?

hang on a second, hang on a second.

If there is no God, then there is NO OBJECTIVE MORAL LAW GIVER.

Morals become subjective.

Just because you think stealing is wrong, doesnt meam me or hundreds of thousands of people who steal think it is wrong.

It simply becomes my view against your views.

Morals are therefore subjective.

If you dont believe in God, then i am afraid you have to believe that in this physical universe, something can come from nothing.

People on here think they are so smart.

Debunk this.

if there is no God, then there is no objective moral law giver. Morals become subjective.

Morals are therefore simply the bi product of the socio evolutionary process.

Now, is murder wrong? Well, your parents, family, peers and the environment taught you it was wrong.

What about Tribes that are brought up by there parents, families and teachings that it is there custom to murder and eat other tribe members.

If there is no God (objective moral law giver), then seriously, it is simply your opinion against the Tribes opnion.

No one is in a position to say what is right or wrong.

I disagree completely.

In the naturlistic view, why is this even required when morals are so entrenched in human behaviour from the evolutionary process that a transendent isnt even required to control crowds?

Are you saying that the human race is doomed from its naturalistic view that it is necessary to create a God? That we are simply wild advanced animals? But on the other hand, people here are saying that God is not needed cause they dont want to do to others what they wouldnt want for themselves?

So which one is it?

No you mean God spoke the earth into existence and humanity has disgusted him since he gave us free will.  Keep trying champ you'll figure it out.

Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:

Man wrote the bible...man is the moral law giver 

Ahhh, gotcha.

You just said what i am trying to get you to understand.

If there is no God, man then becomes the moral law giver.

If you have a wife and she goes around f##ing other guys. Is it wrong what she is doing?

You just said Man is the moral law giver, so each man decides what is right or wrong, you might think it is wrong what your wife is doing, but she doesnt think it is wrong. It is your opinon against hers.

Dont you see what you are saying?

In the naturalistic view, NO one can look at another persons actions and comment if it is right or wrong what they are doing.

It is one persons opinion against the other as there is no refernce point (God - moral absolute) to compare it against.