This doesn't make it right, or necessarily clear Paterno, but a lot of people in Happy Valley "knew" what Paterno "knew." Rumors about this have been circulating for years. I know I'd heard them years ago, but that is all they were, rumors. Without actually being in the locker room, how could Paterno know what happened any better than anyone else who heard the same rumors?
Now, if it comes out that Paterno was involved in some sort of hush up involving the grad assistant, and it is proven that he was bribed with an assistant coach position, that changes everything and I'd agree with everything you guys are saying then. Untill that happens, or until at least it is proven that Paterno had more insight to what was happening then the rumors that pretty much everyone heard (cops included), I'm not ready to crucify the man
How many of those people ran the football program and were the most powerful person at the university?
How many of those people were the biggest name in the history of Penn State?
How many of those people bashed others for recruitment violations while sitting on their moral high horse talking about their moral fiber?
A GRAD STUDENT FUCKING TOLD PATERNO HE SAW HIM SODOMIZING A LITTLE BOY IN THE SHOWER!!!!!!!
What the fuck is wrong with some of you people?
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Quote Originally Posted by Wake2002:
This doesn't make it right, or necessarily clear Paterno, but a lot of people in Happy Valley "knew" what Paterno "knew." Rumors about this have been circulating for years. I know I'd heard them years ago, but that is all they were, rumors. Without actually being in the locker room, how could Paterno know what happened any better than anyone else who heard the same rumors?
Now, if it comes out that Paterno was involved in some sort of hush up involving the grad assistant, and it is proven that he was bribed with an assistant coach position, that changes everything and I'd agree with everything you guys are saying then. Untill that happens, or until at least it is proven that Paterno had more insight to what was happening then the rumors that pretty much everyone heard (cops included), I'm not ready to crucify the man
How many of those people ran the football program and were the most powerful person at the university?
How many of those people were the biggest name in the history of Penn State?
How many of those people bashed others for recruitment violations while sitting on their moral high horse talking about their moral fiber?
A GRAD STUDENT FUCKING TOLD PATERNO HE SAW HIM SODOMIZING A LITTLE BOY IN THE SHOWER!!!!!!!
In 2002 Jerry Sandusky was no longer on Joe Paterno's staff. He reported what he was told. The police didn't arrest Sandusky. What the fuck is Paterno supposed to do then??
The police didn’t arrest him because THE POLICE DIDN’T KNOW.It was covered up and Paterno went along with it.
Sandusky still had an office in the field house.He still came by all the time. Hell, he was there about a week ago.
You are so fucking clueless.
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Quote Originally Posted by VegasVeteran:
In 2002 Jerry Sandusky was no longer on Joe Paterno's staff. He reported what he was told. The police didn't arrest Sandusky. What the fuck is Paterno supposed to do then??
The police didn’t arrest him because THE POLICE DIDN’T KNOW.It was covered up and Paterno went along with it.
Sandusky still had an office in the field house.He still came by all the time. Hell, he was there about a week ago.
this just shows me if true that the board of directors searched endlessly, like the DA for anything Joe did wrong or his wealth of knowledge from the incident and it simply wasnt enough at all otherwise he would have to be arrested/fired asap.
wouldnt be surprised if joe sues for defamation of character after this and donates it back to the university. that DA should not have said what she did.
like millen said, joe is a fighter and he aint going down here without standing up for himself, i guarantee you that.
there is another chapter in this i cant wait to hear, there better be or joe is indeed scum.
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schad reporting joepa may complete season
this just shows me if true that the board of directors searched endlessly, like the DA for anything Joe did wrong or his wealth of knowledge from the incident and it simply wasnt enough at all otherwise he would have to be arrested/fired asap.
wouldnt be surprised if joe sues for defamation of character after this and donates it back to the university. that DA should not have said what she did.
like millen said, joe is a fighter and he aint going down here without standing up for himself, i guarantee you that.
there is another chapter in this i cant wait to hear, there better be or joe is indeed scum.
You are the clueless one Straightshooter. Read the Grand Jury report.
The police DID KNOW about the incident and declined to arrest him based on the 2002 incident.
Sandusky was granted privileges by PENN STATE UNIVERSITY for access to all facilities based on his retirement package. These privileges were not given by Joe Paterno.
Get your facts straight and you will see a different picture.
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You are the clueless one Straightshooter. Read the Grand Jury report.
The police DID KNOW about the incident and declined to arrest him based on the 2002 incident.
Sandusky was granted privileges by PENN STATE UNIVERSITY for access to all facilities based on his retirement package. These privileges were not given by Joe Paterno.
Get your facts straight and you will see a different picture.
You are told about someone who is not on your staff. You tell your superiors. The university police decline to arrest him.
Answer me this Straightshooter: How is Joe Paterno responsible for that???
It was covered up.
Unless Paterno has an IQ under 75 he would have known that.If he had the moral character he likes to brag about he would have taken it to LE that actually gave a shit.
But he would rather protect the good name of his program than stop his friend from sexually abusing young boys.
Please tell me you are just messing with me.No one smart enough to operate a computer can be this stupid.
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Quote Originally Posted by VegasVeteran:
You are told about someone who is not on your staff. You tell your superiors. The university police decline to arrest him.
Answer me this Straightshooter: How is Joe Paterno responsible for that???
It was covered up.
Unless Paterno has an IQ under 75 he would have known that.If he had the moral character he likes to brag about he would have taken it to LE that actually gave a shit.
But he would rather protect the good name of his program than stop his friend from sexually abusing young boys.
Please tell me you are just messing with me.No one smart enough to operate a computer can be this stupid.
Vegas you might want to check your facts. Paterno was well aware of what happened and decided not to escalate what he knew. Sandusky has already been INDICTED on 40 counts which means he is toast for being a perv. I appreciate your loyalty to ego U, but there is going to be a house cleaning of all those that knew what was going down there and chose not to say anything.
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Vegas you might want to check your facts. Paterno was well aware of what happened and decided not to escalate what he knew. Sandusky has already been INDICTED on 40 counts which means he is toast for being a perv. I appreciate your loyalty to ego U, but there is going to be a house cleaning of all those that knew what was going down there and chose not to say anything.
The police didn’t arrest him because THE POLICE DIDN’T KNOW.It was covered up and Paterno went along with it.
Sandusky still had an office in the field house.He still came by all the time. Hell, he was there about a week ago.
You are so fucking clueless.
the police didnt know about sandusky is furthest from the truth. they knew very well about mr sandusky from two incidents reported to them in 1998 and joe paterno was the only one who did a damn thing about it, firing sandusky. the mother of a child has come out and said sandusky admitted assaulting her child. the COPS DID NOTHING, they did not follow up, investigate further etc..and the guy still ran around town with kids all the time.
joe is a football coach, not a cop. we all put these celebrities, athletes on such a high fucking pedestal and when you meet them you realize they arent much different than us, they arent supermen.
joe may be the face of penn state, but he is not the president, athletic director, and he sure is hell not the police judge or jury.
let the man speak, you may be surprised, there is something we're all missing here, its not making sense, especially if he is allowed to finish this season.
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Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:
The police didn’t arrest him because THE POLICE DIDN’T KNOW.It was covered up and Paterno went along with it.
Sandusky still had an office in the field house.He still came by all the time. Hell, he was there about a week ago.
You are so fucking clueless.
the police didnt know about sandusky is furthest from the truth. they knew very well about mr sandusky from two incidents reported to them in 1998 and joe paterno was the only one who did a damn thing about it, firing sandusky. the mother of a child has come out and said sandusky admitted assaulting her child. the COPS DID NOTHING, they did not follow up, investigate further etc..and the guy still ran around town with kids all the time.
joe is a football coach, not a cop. we all put these celebrities, athletes on such a high fucking pedestal and when you meet them you realize they arent much different than us, they arent supermen.
joe may be the face of penn state, but he is not the president, athletic director, and he sure is hell not the police judge or jury.
let the man speak, you may be surprised, there is something we're all missing here, its not making sense, especially if he is allowed to finish this season.
You are the clueless one Straightshooter. Read the Grand Jury report.
The police DID KNOW about the incident and declined to arrest him based on the 2002 incident.
Sandusky was granted privileges by PENN STATE UNIVERSITY for access to all facilities based on his retirement package. These privileges were not given by Joe Paterno.
Get your facts straight and you will see a different picture.
I say you are clueless.
You say I am clueless.
I say go read the grand jury report.
You say go read the grand jury report.
What are you, fucking 5 years old?
The 2002 incident was covered up, dumbass.
If you honestly think Paterno doesn’t have final say who works out his football program you are even more stupid than I first thought…if that is even possible.
Wise up.
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Quote Originally Posted by VegasVeteran:
You are the clueless one Straightshooter. Read the Grand Jury report.
The police DID KNOW about the incident and declined to arrest him based on the 2002 incident.
Sandusky was granted privileges by PENN STATE UNIVERSITY for access to all facilities based on his retirement package. These privileges were not given by Joe Paterno.
Get your facts straight and you will see a different picture.
I say you are clueless.
You say I am clueless.
I say go read the grand jury report.
You say go read the grand jury report.
What are you, fucking 5 years old?
The 2002 incident was covered up, dumbass.
If you honestly think Paterno doesn’t have final say who works out his football program you are even more stupid than I first thought…if that is even possible.
Admit you have no idea of the facts Straightshooter.
Yes it was covered up. By the 2 superiors of Joe Paterno who have been charged with perjury and deservedly so.
In 2002 this man had no involvement in day to day football operations under Joe Paterno. He was told of an incident and he reported it. The higher ups tell him it's bullshit and there's nothing to it.
What's Joe Pa supposed to do, tackle the guy in the parking lot and make a citizens arrest???
Joe Paterno is not the fucking sicko here.
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Admit you have no idea of the facts Straightshooter.
Yes it was covered up. By the 2 superiors of Joe Paterno who have been charged with perjury and deservedly so.
In 2002 this man had no involvement in day to day football operations under Joe Paterno. He was told of an incident and he reported it. The higher ups tell him it's bullshit and there's nothing to it.
What's Joe Pa supposed to do, tackle the guy in the parking lot and make a citizens arrest???
Vegas you might want to check your facts. Paterno was well aware of what happened and decided not to escalate what he knew. Sandusky has already been INDICTED on 40 counts which means he is toast for being a perv. I appreciate your loyalty to ego U, but there is going to be a house cleaning of all those that knew what was going down there and chose not to say anything.
unless he saw the act in the shower he was not well aware of what happened. in fact, in the report, it states joe was not told details of what happened so he may not have even known there was a rape or what mcqueary actually told him. joe was not arrested for perjury, so he must have been telling the truth i would assume that he didnt know details other than a possible assault which he reported to his superiors.
every idiot with a microphone or keyboard has an opinion, but no facts yet. lets get some facts
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Quote Originally Posted by bustn2night:
Vegas you might want to check your facts. Paterno was well aware of what happened and decided not to escalate what he knew. Sandusky has already been INDICTED on 40 counts which means he is toast for being a perv. I appreciate your loyalty to ego U, but there is going to be a house cleaning of all those that knew what was going down there and chose not to say anything.
unless he saw the act in the shower he was not well aware of what happened. in fact, in the report, it states joe was not told details of what happened so he may not have even known there was a rape or what mcqueary actually told him. joe was not arrested for perjury, so he must have been telling the truth i would assume that he didnt know details other than a possible assault which he reported to his superiors.
every idiot with a microphone or keyboard has an opinion, but no facts yet. lets get some facts
“joe paterno was the only one who did a damn thing about it, firing sandusky.”
So Paterno found out that Sandusky was raping little boys and his reaction is to allow him to resign a year later while giving him an office in the field house and allowing him to come by whenever he wanted?
Good think Paterno “did something about it.”
Thank god Paterno was looking out for the welfare of those young boys.I mean it certainly wasn’t like Paterno knew what his friend was doing and remained silent about it while it continued for 6+ years so he could protect to good name of his football program.
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“joe paterno was the only one who did a damn thing about it, firing sandusky.”
So Paterno found out that Sandusky was raping little boys and his reaction is to allow him to resign a year later while giving him an office in the field house and allowing him to come by whenever he wanted?
Good think Paterno “did something about it.”
Thank god Paterno was looking out for the welfare of those young boys.I mean it certainly wasn’t like Paterno knew what his friend was doing and remained silent about it while it continued for 6+ years so he could protect to good name of his football program.
“joe paterno was the only one who did a damn thing about it, firing sandusky.”
So Paterno found out that Sandusky was raping little boys and his reaction is to allow him to resign a year later while giving him an office in the field house and allowing him to come by whenever he wanted?
Good think Paterno “did something about it.”
Thank god Paterno was looking out for the welfare of those young boys.I mean it certainly wasn’t like Paterno knew what his friend was doing and remained silent about it while it continued for 6+ years so he could protect to good name of his football program.
Once again check the facts. Joe Paterno did not give him an office. Penn State University granted him all those privileges. Under his retirement package from the university.
Get your facts straight 1st then come argue.
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Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:
“joe paterno was the only one who did a damn thing about it, firing sandusky.”
So Paterno found out that Sandusky was raping little boys and his reaction is to allow him to resign a year later while giving him an office in the field house and allowing him to come by whenever he wanted?
Good think Paterno “did something about it.”
Thank god Paterno was looking out for the welfare of those young boys.I mean it certainly wasn’t like Paterno knew what his friend was doing and remained silent about it while it continued for 6+ years so he could protect to good name of his football program.
Once again check the facts. Joe Paterno did not give him an office. Penn State University granted him all those privileges. Under his retirement package from the university.
Admit you have no idea of the facts Straightshooter.
Yes it was covered up. By the 2 superiors of Joe Paterno who have been charged with perjury and deservedly so.
In 2002 this man had no involvement in day to day football operations under Joe Paterno. He was told of an incident and he reported it. The higher ups tell him it's bullshit and there's nothing to it.
What's Joe Pa supposed to do, tackle the guy in the parking lot and make a citizens arrest???
Joe Paterno is not the fucking sicko here.
You really have no clue.
They covered it up and Paterno either knew about and did nothing or he has an IQ under 75 and the last 60 years have been a sham.
Paterno still allowed this sick fuck to have an office in the field house and to come by whenever he wanted.
How about calling the god damn police?
Joe Paterno might not be the sicko but he is the one that turned a blind eye to it and allowed the abuse to continue for at least 6 more years.
It starting to sound more and more like you might identify with Sandusky.
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Quote Originally Posted by VegasVeteran:
Admit you have no idea of the facts Straightshooter.
Yes it was covered up. By the 2 superiors of Joe Paterno who have been charged with perjury and deservedly so.
In 2002 this man had no involvement in day to day football operations under Joe Paterno. He was told of an incident and he reported it. The higher ups tell him it's bullshit and there's nothing to it.
What's Joe Pa supposed to do, tackle the guy in the parking lot and make a citizens arrest???
Joe Paterno is not the fucking sicko here.
You really have no clue.
They covered it up and Paterno either knew about and did nothing or he has an IQ under 75 and the last 60 years have been a sham.
Paterno still allowed this sick fuck to have an office in the field house and to come by whenever he wanted.
How about calling the god damn police?
Joe Paterno might not be the sicko but he is the one that turned a blind eye to it and allowed the abuse to continue for at least 6 more years.
It starting to sound more and more like you might identify with Sandusky.
i think Sandusky is guilty as sin, I am just saying that people are criticizing Paterno for doing the "minimum", all I am saying is if one of my employees came to me and told me one of my good friends/colleagues was fondling a little boy, I would probably do exatly what Paterno did, advise my supervisor that something may be up, Paterno didn't know if the claim was factual or baseless, if nothing happened I would have just assumed the claim was baseless and moved on.
Most people don't understand how delicate of a situation that is, it is the same with rape, you are going to virtually end someone's life with a claim like that, you better be damn certain it is true before you go running to the police to turn someone in.
Fair enough, but then what steps did Paterno take to bring himself some certainty? Think about it, this is his assistant McQueary, who he shortly thereafter, promoted. McQueary told him apparently in no uncertain terms what he saw. So then he knows either: a) Sandusky is a pedophile, OR b) McQueary is a boldfaced liar who wrongly accuses people of sexually devient crimes.
So then we knows that Paterno knew he was either: (a) keeping a person on his staff who makes up lies about heinous crimes, or (b) is enabling (allowing him to continue to use campus and knew well about Second Mile) a pedophile to harm children.
It's really one or the other. Follow the logic. And it's obviously not (a).
JoePa deserves the heat. I don't know if he committed a crime, but his lack of judgment is appalling.
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Quote Originally Posted by sean2114:
i think Sandusky is guilty as sin, I am just saying that people are criticizing Paterno for doing the "minimum", all I am saying is if one of my employees came to me and told me one of my good friends/colleagues was fondling a little boy, I would probably do exatly what Paterno did, advise my supervisor that something may be up, Paterno didn't know if the claim was factual or baseless, if nothing happened I would have just assumed the claim was baseless and moved on.
Most people don't understand how delicate of a situation that is, it is the same with rape, you are going to virtually end someone's life with a claim like that, you better be damn certain it is true before you go running to the police to turn someone in.
Fair enough, but then what steps did Paterno take to bring himself some certainty? Think about it, this is his assistant McQueary, who he shortly thereafter, promoted. McQueary told him apparently in no uncertain terms what he saw. So then he knows either: a) Sandusky is a pedophile, OR b) McQueary is a boldfaced liar who wrongly accuses people of sexually devient crimes.
So then we knows that Paterno knew he was either: (a) keeping a person on his staff who makes up lies about heinous crimes, or (b) is enabling (allowing him to continue to use campus and knew well about Second Mile) a pedophile to harm children.
It's really one or the other. Follow the logic. And it's obviously not (a).
JoePa deserves the heat. I don't know if he committed a crime, but his lack of judgment is appalling.
The police declined to charge him. I'm sure calling them again would've helped.
What about Sandusky's wife?? Think she would stay married to him knowing he was molesting young boys?? Oh wow. If he hid it from his wife you think he might have hid it from his friend Mr. Paterno????
Ever think about that??
Joe Paterno is one of the only Penn State employees to come out and talk about all this. He is a stand up and honorable guy.
If any of these facts are wrong please let me know. Not speculation but facts.
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Just keep speculating. that solves everything.
The police declined to charge him. I'm sure calling them again would've helped.
What about Sandusky's wife?? Think she would stay married to him knowing he was molesting young boys?? Oh wow. If he hid it from his wife you think he might have hid it from his friend Mr. Paterno????
Ever think about that??
Joe Paterno is one of the only Penn State employees to come out and talk about all this. He is a stand up and honorable guy.
If any of these facts are wrong please let me know. Not speculation but facts.
The police declined to charge him. I'm sure calling them again would've helped.
What about Sandusky's wife?? Think she would stay married to him knowing he was molesting young boys?? Oh wow. If he hid it from his wife you think he might have hid it from his friend Mr. Paterno????
Ever think about that??
Joe Paterno is one of the only Penn State employees to come out and talk about all this. He is a stand up and honorable guy.
If any of these facts are wrong please let me know. Not speculation but facts.
If Mr. Paterno thought maybe it wasn't true, then he had to believe he had an employee, McQueary, who was capable of making false child rape allegations. Why would he keep him around? The two things just don't mesh. It's one or the other and either way Paterno's judgment is startlingly anf horrificly bad. Not sure really how anyone can see it any other way.
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Quote Originally Posted by VegasVeteran:
Just keep speculating. that solves everything.
The police declined to charge him. I'm sure calling them again would've helped.
What about Sandusky's wife?? Think she would stay married to him knowing he was molesting young boys?? Oh wow. If he hid it from his wife you think he might have hid it from his friend Mr. Paterno????
Ever think about that??
Joe Paterno is one of the only Penn State employees to come out and talk about all this. He is a stand up and honorable guy.
If any of these facts are wrong please let me know. Not speculation but facts.
If Mr. Paterno thought maybe it wasn't true, then he had to believe he had an employee, McQueary, who was capable of making false child rape allegations. Why would he keep him around? The two things just don't mesh. It's one or the other and either way Paterno's judgment is startlingly anf horrificly bad. Not sure really how anyone can see it any other way.
Unless Paterno has an IQ under 75 he would have known that.If he had the moral character he likes to brag about he would have taken it to LE that actually gave a shit.
But he would rather protect the good name of his program than stop his friend from sexually abusing young boys.
Please tell me you are just messing with me.No one smart enough to operate a computer can be this stupid.
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Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:
It was covered up.
Unless Paterno has an IQ under 75 he would have known that.If he had the moral character he likes to brag about he would have taken it to LE that actually gave a shit.
But he would rather protect the good name of his program than stop his friend from sexually abusing young boys.
Please tell me you are just messing with me.No one smart enough to operate a computer can be this stupid.
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