@brn2loslive2win No you're wrong...I saw him post opening line spreads from a day prior many times right before tip off when the line was 2-3 points off. For the record, I would never follow him or anyone else...I would rather be responsible for my own plays and use others plays as an influence to make the play official... Like dubz4dummyz said, he would burry his losing threads and bump his winning threads.. Not to mention, anyone who starts their thread from a random date when they've posted millions of plays before is a red flag...His threads would start with his record from 1/24. What's the importance of 1/24??? For your information, it was the day he had his best day and decided to use that as a starting point... I would never go into his thread and bash him, as he's still better than majority of this forum..just stating facts.
Leventis posts among the earliest in this forum (along with cappologist) and basically never posts within several hours of tipoff.
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Quote Originally Posted by Banggg357:
@brn2loslive2win No you're wrong...I saw him post opening line spreads from a day prior many times right before tip off when the line was 2-3 points off. For the record, I would never follow him or anyone else...I would rather be responsible for my own plays and use others plays as an influence to make the play official... Like dubz4dummyz said, he would burry his losing threads and bump his winning threads.. Not to mention, anyone who starts their thread from a random date when they've posted millions of plays before is a red flag...His threads would start with his record from 1/24. What's the importance of 1/24??? For your information, it was the day he had his best day and decided to use that as a starting point... I would never go into his thread and bash him, as he's still better than majority of this forum..just stating facts.
Leventis posts among the earliest in this forum (along with cappologist) and basically never posts within several hours of tipoff.
@TJZags598 Not 4 points. i checked the history and several sportsbooks. not happening
This is such an amateur comment to make. From opening to closing lines YES they do move 4 points. Without even looking very hard I can tell you that today’s UL Monroe game opened with a total of 141.5, is down to 138.5 (3 points), and may close even lower.
But the only way you will probably see this is to be looking at the lines the minute that the books put them up. At that time you should already have the majority of your handicapping done (which is usually about 24 hours beforehand), and you should be expecting a line to move in your favor. Therefore you place your bet immediately on the opening line. If you’re not doing anything like this…quit.
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@TJZags598 Not 4 points. i checked the history and several sportsbooks. not happening
This is such an amateur comment to make. From opening to closing lines YES they do move 4 points. Without even looking very hard I can tell you that today’s UL Monroe game opened with a total of 141.5, is down to 138.5 (3 points), and may close even lower.
But the only way you will probably see this is to be looking at the lines the minute that the books put them up. At that time you should already have the majority of your handicapping done (which is usually about 24 hours beforehand), and you should be expecting a line to move in your favor. Therefore you place your bet immediately on the opening line. If you’re not doing anything like this…quit.
I think everyone is over thinking this. At end of day Leventis picks were more solid as I’ve seen in these forums in a long time. I didn’t read all messages on here but there were some facts and a lot of nonsense.
my solid opinion/ guess is this…. He posted his plays and by the scale he appeared to use, 1unit = 1k. If he said 5x it would be 5k. Did he really bet those amounts? Who knows and who cares. His picks most certainly won way more than they lost (don’t think anyone could argue this). Then one day another member started a thread saying he is tailing all of his picks and said how much he was betting on these plays which was double or so more than Leventis said he was betting on his own plays. Went as far as to tell everyone what he was going to buy with his winnings. I am sure in his mind he was flattering Leventis but I don’t think it did.
Why would you continue to post when someone is starting a thread saying he is betting 2-3x more than you are on your own picks and is going to buy a 100k car with it.
in short I think that if this didn’t happen then Leventis would have continued as he would regardless of whatever haters there were. The fact that Leventis posted, gave units, and tried to keep as accurate of a record as he could is a courtesy and not a paid job.
I for one always looked forward to seeing what he was on. I am not a blind follower and sure wouldn’t have tripled his wager amount, created a thread, then bragged about what I was gonna buy with his picks. All I can say
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I think everyone is over thinking this. At end of day Leventis picks were more solid as I’ve seen in these forums in a long time. I didn’t read all messages on here but there were some facts and a lot of nonsense.
my solid opinion/ guess is this…. He posted his plays and by the scale he appeared to use, 1unit = 1k. If he said 5x it would be 5k. Did he really bet those amounts? Who knows and who cares. His picks most certainly won way more than they lost (don’t think anyone could argue this). Then one day another member started a thread saying he is tailing all of his picks and said how much he was betting on these plays which was double or so more than Leventis said he was betting on his own plays. Went as far as to tell everyone what he was going to buy with his winnings. I am sure in his mind he was flattering Leventis but I don’t think it did.
Why would you continue to post when someone is starting a thread saying he is betting 2-3x more than you are on your own picks and is going to buy a 100k car with it.
in short I think that if this didn’t happen then Leventis would have continued as he would regardless of whatever haters there were. The fact that Leventis posted, gave units, and tried to keep as accurate of a record as he could is a courtesy and not a paid job.
I for one always looked forward to seeing what he was on. I am not a blind follower and sure wouldn’t have tripled his wager amount, created a thread, then bragged about what I was gonna buy with his picks. All I can say
I guess I don’t understand “fraud”. He posts the plays and it wins or it loses. I take the scale as a confidence level. Whether it’s $10-$50 or $1,000-$5,000. Just my feelings. I never seen him brag or double down or anything. Seemed to have integrity to me buddy.
also anyone posting in here isn’t only betting what they post or posting everything they play. I’m sure following a record can get messed up pretty easily. I see it time and time again when someone follows someone who loses and they get all aggrevated and start trashing them. “You didn’t post juice, line was off, ect…). Really all that is about is the guy blindly followed a loss and wanted to say how bad a capper sucks.
personally I hate the posers. I could care less about the actual play as I would never blindly follow without doing research but the b.s of some of these guys is crazy.
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@dubz4dummyz
I guess I don’t understand “fraud”. He posts the plays and it wins or it loses. I take the scale as a confidence level. Whether it’s $10-$50 or $1,000-$5,000. Just my feelings. I never seen him brag or double down or anything. Seemed to have integrity to me buddy.
also anyone posting in here isn’t only betting what they post or posting everything they play. I’m sure following a record can get messed up pretty easily. I see it time and time again when someone follows someone who loses and they get all aggrevated and start trashing them. “You didn’t post juice, line was off, ect…). Really all that is about is the guy blindly followed a loss and wanted to say how bad a capper sucks.
personally I hate the posers. I could care less about the actual play as I would never blindly follow without doing research but the b.s of some of these guys is crazy.
Reality: 1-We all get different lines. 2-We all pay different VIGS 3-We all have different banks. Shop around, and stop complaining You should be managing your own picks, your own banks, your own risk. When posters post picks, its just a jump off point for you to do our own research, and make business decisions based off your own bank. When i see a Vig i don't like, i don't whine & complain, i lower my wager to match what i want to risk. No one should be letting a poster manage your bank for you.
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Quote Originally Posted by TJZags598:
Reality: 1-We all get different lines. 2-We all pay different VIGS 3-We all have different banks. Shop around, and stop complaining You should be managing your own picks, your own banks, your own risk. When posters post picks, its just a jump off point for you to do our own research, and make business decisions based off your own bank. When i see a Vig i don't like, i don't whine & complain, i lower my wager to match what i want to risk. No one should be letting a poster manage your bank for you.
Moe quit hating find something better to do. Since you don't did you tally up all his propmplays from start to end of the NFL season? What's the +/- ratio? In the same thread user ask him what your unit size he literally responded whatever you want it to be it's more of a scale . You prob picked n choose plays, got burned but no matter what can't say shit if you put zero time into making the plays. It's a public forum he owes nothing just like everyone else that post. It's up to the user to see the play then look further into make the decision of playing. Folk with your warped mentality on all these demands to post are cancer to the forum. People made money maybe you didn't but people like you drive good folks outta here. Happens every year I'm gonna guess Gen-Z's finest .
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@dubz4dummyz
Moe quit hating find something better to do. Since you don't did you tally up all his propmplays from start to end of the NFL season? What's the +/- ratio? In the same thread user ask him what your unit size he literally responded whatever you want it to be it's more of a scale . You prob picked n choose plays, got burned but no matter what can't say shit if you put zero time into making the plays. It's a public forum he owes nothing just like everyone else that post. It's up to the user to see the play then look further into make the decision of playing. Folk with your warped mentality on all these demands to post are cancer to the forum. People made money maybe you didn't but people like you drive good folks outta here. Happens every year I'm gonna guess Gen-Z's finest .
@dubz4dummyz Moe quit hating find something better to do. Since you don't did you tally up all his propmplays from start to end of the NFL season? What's the +/- ratio? In the same thread user ask him what your unit size he literally responded whatever you want it to be it's more of a scale . You prob picked n choose plays, got burned but no matter what can't say shit if you put zero time into making the plays. It's a public forum he owes nothing just like everyone else that post. It's up to the user to see the play then look further into make the decision of playing. Folk with your warped mentality on all these demands to post are cancer to the forum. People made money maybe you didn't but people like you drive good folks outta here. Happens every year I'm gonna guess Gen-Z's finest .
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Don't like his thread then stay out & move along but then there's no whiny bitching to get attention.
The Nerve of some peoples Children!
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Quote Originally Posted by beats723:
@dubz4dummyz Moe quit hating find something better to do. Since you don't did you tally up all his propmplays from start to end of the NFL season? What's the +/- ratio? In the same thread user ask him what your unit size he literally responded whatever you want it to be it's more of a scale . You prob picked n choose plays, got burned but no matter what can't say shit if you put zero time into making the plays. It's a public forum he owes nothing just like everyone else that post. It's up to the user to see the play then look further into make the decision of playing. Folk with your warped mentality on all these demands to post are cancer to the forum. People made money maybe you didn't but people like you drive good folks outta here. Happens every year I'm gonna guess Gen-Z's finest .
100% Truth
Don't like his thread then stay out & move along but then there's no whiny bitching to get attention.
Weeble I have followed for 15 years . Weeble streaks and you follow him when he starts to heat up . It's tougher imo because of all the games.
Leventis had 2-3 picks maximum and they were extremely solid for sometimes days on end in baseball. A head scratcher half the time but the picks would win in the end.
Now we are down a really good baseball capper and also right as march madness comes in we lose him
I have seen this happen to a lot of good cappers during the years but it is what it is. I already knew Leventis would leave soon
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@bigred84
Weeble I have followed for 15 years . Weeble streaks and you follow him when he starts to heat up . It's tougher imo because of all the games.
Leventis had 2-3 picks maximum and they were extremely solid for sometimes days on end in baseball. A head scratcher half the time but the picks would win in the end.
Now we are down a really good baseball capper and also right as march madness comes in we lose him
I have seen this happen to a lot of good cappers during the years but it is what it is. I already knew Leventis would leave soon
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