My experience in Vegas at the Sportsbooks.....

Van-

I'm always here to help you in your gamling selections. Free of charge.

 

 

thanks for the report van. sounds like hell getting down anything remotely of size these days.

Your post on the idiots on the Green Bay game is classic. I'm pretty much a loser in the long run with this garbage, but God damnit I know all of the little tidbits needed like the one you just mentioned. 

Question do celebrities get carte blanche. I often see that Pretty Boy Floyd makes huge bets and posts them on facebook. Also I heard he bet a ton on the Oilers last Monday. I saw that line at -4 and move to -6 before game time. Would a single bet if large enough move a line that much. Sorry I am a horse player. At small tracks 50k would put a horse at 1-20 but at the large tracks like The Spa or Del Mar it would normally not effect the board. 

Vanzack---Finally, someone else who saw and speaks the truth.

You are lucky you didn't try gambling big at the Wynn.  The Wynn sportsbook is the worse and their manager Doug is a cocksucker.  

Bottom line is this..Vanzack NAILED IT spot on....Vegas sportsbooks are great for those who want to get drunk, hit on cocktail waitresses, have people all around them on same side to high five after every first down, and people all around them on same side to yell at the referees and coaches for bad calls and bad play calling.  But it is NOT for any serious player whatsoever. They make you feel very uncomfortable purposely because they want you to LEAVE.   Oh and God forbid you make the mistake to mention that an offshore line is different than theirs and immediately they mark you a SHARP.  
For the record...Offshore DICTATES the LINE MOVES..not VEGAS.

For example---Lets say its 9am on Sunday in Vegas..games start at 10.   Bookmaker.com has the Jets +5.5  but the sportsbook in Vegas has the Jets +4... What happens is within half hr to 45 minutes, the sportsbook in Vegas will have the same line as the offshore lines.  So if you want to know what the line moves in vegas sportsbooks will be, simply compare the lines with the offshore lines and you will know what the lines will end up moving to in Vegas.

The ONLY sportsbook in Vegas which they treat you great, give you free drinks regardless of whether you bet or not and do not really hassle you with a few thousand dollar bet is HILTON.  the rest especially WYNN are JUNK!

Van, I had to respond to your post due to some information contained therein which may not be entirely accurate.

Thanks for the response....

Some notes in response to your comments....

I agree with your comments about being there, and the atmosphere.  I did find that their computer stations were easy to use - and I did see the lines screen you are talking about In the upper right of the computer screen.  The problem?  It didn't update automatically - or quickly - and scrolling is ridiculous.  You have to hit "page down" multiple times - it is slow.  Im not saying it is impossible to use - but I think we can agree it is clunky at best - it is not what you would expect in todays day and age of the internet.

They did offer me a seat in the reserved area - and they were nothing but nice and accommodating the whole time.  I didn't get free drinks but I am pretty sure I could have - but I just didn't ask. 

Once again - Im not disagreeing with your post.  I think most of the things that you post have to do with atmosphere and convenience - very important to a lot of gamblers.  But I guess I was posting more about not only atmosphere and convenience - but also the tools that can make you profitable - things like instant information, good lines, and accessibility.  The huge advantage in Vegas is that your money is safe - but you pay for that - through high prices and occasionally missing opportunities to win wagers. 

For some - the setup in Vegas is great.  Im just not that guy.  Im not a "crystal ball" handicapper.  Lines and prices and pennies make a HUGE difference - in fact most of the time the ONLY difference - in whether I am profitable or not.  So in my opinion - Vegas is more like going to buy your house supplies at Target - you know you are going to find everything at one place - no risk - but you pay a little bit more.  I am more of a coupon cutting drive around town to 10 places using every tool in my arsenal to save a penny kind of guy.

To each his own.  The entertainment experience is top notch at Cantor and Vegas - but you pay for it.....

Good comments.

I've bet games in Vegas many times but not in recent years. I'm a low roller so bear with the n00b type questions. What prevents someone from betting $500 then having the wife bet another $500 a few minutes later. What prevents you from just buying a second $500 ticket yourself a few minutes later? 

I would say simply inconvenience.  If you want to bet several 500 dollar bets, you could.  But you would have to do it early as the line on Sat and Sun was quite long.  But you could definitely do this.

Im not sure that making 2k wagers is in the past.  I was at one SB, with one persons experience.  I was told that you couldn't do it through Cantor - but who knows - maybe you can.  And maybe every other SB in vegas will take those wagers - Im really not sure.

not sure what you guys talking limits are complaining about...

Use to work at Caesars sportsbook and we would give the casual bettor 2200 bets on sides and 1100 on totals. If this isnt enough for you, then walk 50 feet across the street and do it again. The amount of bets should never be an issue. My stations app lets me bet at least 1100 (i have never tried more than this)

The only beef I see here that is legitmate is the lack of reduced juice lines which most books do not offer here

OK - what if you bet 20K a game?  You should "walk across the street" 10 times and do it again?  Really?  With possibly a different line?

That's absurd.  You worked at Caesars Palace - you are telling me that a 2k bet limit is appropriate for a place like that?

Oh - and god forbid your bet wins - then you are running all around town to pick up the money?  Jeesh.  Sounds great compared to online!

Van, great write up as usual.  I agree on all points IRT Cantor betting.  I tried depositing money and using the tough screen.  I lasted about a half a day before I had enough of it and went back to just using the counter.  Though it does disturb me that now they have a $500 limit on bets at the counter.  That is ridiculous.  I am going back to the Venation in Nov, so I will see how that works out then.

They only upside to Vegas sports wagering is that you get paid instantly. 

when did this happen? i remember the book at the M saying they would take any bet at any time, i believe that is where money may made most of his big bets. 

i guess vanzack has gone back to internet gambling.  i heard he did most of this on the Seattle Ml over Jacksonville.

https://www.dailydot.com/news/biggest-bitcoin-win-gambling-history-nakowa/

Awesome read. I absolutely find it fascinating for those who can consistently win betting at actual sportsbooks. Good for them, they have some serious crystal ball powers that I definitely don't have. 

Van how is the live betting there? Do they offer bets on baseball batters/football drives etc?

Yes, with Cantor you can bet on stuff like that.  Next play a run or pass, will they get a first down, etc.

Very good and insightful post.

The answer is that everybody is different and how you have it set up makes all the difference.  But a very careful look at the risks / costs of moving money is a very important ingredient.

Once again - the 500 comment was made to me but disputed elsewhere in this thread and in a few emails people sent me.  So your mileage may vary on that one.

And getting paid instantly - is pretty friggin good.

With an account.  Read again.  They will take large wagers if you have an account.

 

That is a f u cking weird story.  I cant make much sense of it.

Don't know.  But I can tell you - that I cannot imagine the live betting being usable based on the software and how clunky and slow it is.  But to be fair - I never checked it out.

Here is the rundown of some of the people I have encountered at the sports books: