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thecentaur

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Posted: May. 24, 2015 - 3:12 AM ET #26

Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

Scalabrine,

Gray was a criminal that had been involved in more than 20 criminal court cases.

Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968), was a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court which held that the Fourth Amendment prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizures is not violated when a police officer stops a suspect on the street and frisks him or her without probable cause to arrest, if the police officer has a reasonable suspicion that the person has committed, is committing, or is about to commit a crime and has a reasonable belief that the person "may be armed and presently dangerous."

Illinois v. Wardlow, 528 U.S. 119 (2000) The United States Supreme Court states that fleeing in a high crime area at the sight of police is enough to create reasonable suspicion. Indicating that reasonable suspicion rest heavily on normal human behavior, stating that flight at the mere sight of police is a sign that there exists "reasonable suspicion" that criminal activity is afoot, there by justifying an investigatory stop by the police.

Russell and Malissa were both dangerous crack heads with criminal records driving a deadly weapon while high on crack. Society is better off without them.

... Under the Fourth Amendment, law enforcement officers pursuing an unarmed suspect may use deadly force to prevent escape only if the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.

Police officers are trained to shoot until the threat is neutralized, down, and no longer a threat to themselves, their partners or the public.Police were following protocol, the law, and broke no laws.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igQDvYOt_iA

I wish I could send a copy of this video to every household in America.

Great post

Unfortunately you are dealing in facts. Scatabrane is allergic to that.

Read his posts. Full of emotions, insults, attempts to shame, abstracts, conjecture, and other meaningless bull garbage that goes on and on.

GimmeMoneyNow

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Posted: May. 24, 2015 - 9:08 AM ET #27

Quote Originally Posted by thecentaur:

Great post

Unfortunately you are dealing in facts. Scatabrane is allergic to that.

Read his posts. Full of emotions, insults, attempts to shame, abstracts, conjecture, and other meaningless bull garbage that goes on and on.

Man, Scalabrine's wound up tighter that Neil Peart's snare drum! Does anybody know a chick who would do this guy so he can finally lose his virginity and some of that pent up anger? Preferably an unarmed black chick that doesn't run from the police...

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Posted: May. 24, 2015 - 8:15 PM ET #28

Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

Guys you can't take a bigot out of his own mud and shi* for him.

So let me get this straight for all the forum to hear:

You have now gone out of your way to post a story that JUSTIFIES, first cops shooting at a car ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY SEVEN TIMES, and second, 4 seconds after what is equivalent to a war assault on a car when everyone has stopped shooting, the people in the car are alive and shot nearly two DOZEN times in total, this cop who jumped on the hood and then shot them through the front windshield and fired....

AN ADDITIONAL 15 SHOTS, all through the front windshield, all at unarmed blacks, because, HE feared for HIS LIFE.

And your defense for all those shots and standing on THE HOOD of the car, shooting those who are unarmed, in a car that has stopped, shooting what is people who basically look like the red star in the BB gun game at a county fair because they lead the police on a high speed chase.

If you lead the cops on a police chase, are shot up like swiss cheese, are then stopped, unarmed and are clinging to life, a cop has a right to jump on your car and BLOW YOU AWAY to finish the job.

Come here and justify that to me. Please do that.

Give me in clear concise points why cops are justified in any and every shot they take. You justify 137 shots because 'they ran'. You justify jumping on the hood of a car that is stopped and taking an additional 15 kill shots, because 'they ran'.

Ya see BWS, you are incapable of breaking down the finer points to every situation. You're 'out' is "Welp! Shouldn't of run!" As though that justifies 137 shots. As though that justifies the hood hopping and 1.5 dozen kill shots. You do know that's what this trial was about right? Excessive force. Can you look into a case? Can you see the finer details before you make a fool of yourself, because you are clearly incapable of even offering a smidgen of a valid counter to anything I'm saying here other than "Welp! Run and get what you deserve!" And they deserve 18 kill shots...while unarmed and their car is stopped.

Yes, that is effective policing.

I mean, why do you think I call you and others here pig bigots?

Would you go into a black community and just shrug your shoulders and say "Welp! Shouldn't of run!" as though police have never before had a car chase or foot chase before. Earth to troglodytes here, PEOPLE RUN. That's part of the job. Is the other part BLOWING them away while jumping on their hood for running?

You could give a SHI* about black lives, except of course when you money is on the line in an NBA/NFL game.

You post a casual , as though it's a 'shame shame shame' issue, like someone insulted your covers post (oh you don't even post games, sorry). These are human lives that you could care less about that many millions of others do, running or no, criminal or otherwise.

Wow.

There you have it folks. Plain as day.

What a scumbag...

how many police officers fired their guns? We're all white?

Don’t tell me the law. Tell me the judge.

Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

Guys you can't take a bigot out of his own mud and shi* for him.

So let me get this straight for all the forum to hear:

AN ADDITIONAL 15 SHOTS, all through the front windshield, all at unarmed blacks, because, HE feared for HIS LIFE.

If you lead the cops on a police chase, are shot up like swiss cheese, are then stopped, unarmed and are clinging to life, a cop has a right to jump on your car and BLOW YOU AWAY to finish the job.

Come here and justify that to me. Please do that.

I mean, why do you think I call you and others here pig bigots?

You could give a SHI* about black lives, except of course when you money is on the line in an NBA/NFL game.

Wow.

There you have it folks. Plain as day.

What a scumbag...

how many police officers fired their guns? We're all white?

TheDrizzle77

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Posted: May. 24, 2015 - 9:12 PM ET #29

I'm not one for racism, but I do know how to spot the biggest one in a thread. In this thread, it is easily Scalabrine.

You just flat out hate white people. I mean it's oozing out of every word you type. Not sure if it is a self-loathing deal, or what, but your fight against the fellow white man is more apparent than ever.

Whenever anybody brings up an actual, real life, true fact about anything white on black, black on black or pro-black civil unrest you immediately jump to conclusions, calling that person a "bigot," "racist," or "liar." Not every white person is like John Tuturro's character from Do the Right Thing. You need to really focus on common sense, and the view from each side.

In 2014 Homewood made its 6th consecutive trip to the No. 1 spot in violent crimes (216) committed in the city of Pittsburgh. Close to 94% of that community is of African-American race. Now is it racist of me to say that the majority of crime happening in this neighborhood is black on black? Or is it actual fact?

The majority of these officers that have to patrol these high crime areas are not like the Baltimore six in jail. I support them for doing something most of us would never even think of. They are trying their best to keep black community's safe. I don't doubt that there are racist cops, lazy cops and stupid cops, but I do feel, however, that the majority of them are doing their best in the line of duty, but are stuck in extremely compromising situations in these violent neighborhoods.

I mean we all have to be politically correct in this world. We all have to say, oh no, oh no, there are just as many white people perpetrating violent crimes in Homewood as black. The minute we say, hey, you know what, facts state that 68% of those arrested for violent crimes happening in Allegheny County in 2014 was African-American, we are labeled racists and bigots.

Until we let go of the racist card as a bailout, and actually attack the issue as to why black on black crime is such a problem in our country, it'll just continue to get worse and worse. And police officers--not like the BALTIMORE SIX, but actual honest, bipartisan cops--will continue to have itchy trigger fingers in those high crime areas.

If you are really down for helping the black community, you'd get off General Discussion, quit starting racial fires, forget about the police for a second, and actually reach out, help the black youth find jobs, activities and community outreach. People like you, the media and black "leaders" do nothing more than sprinkle fertilizer on a well-lit fire. Instead of blaming black individuals you reach for racism. You circle these rare police brutality moments and treat it like it is an everyday occurrence that an innocent black man is being slaughtered by a white cop. Meanwhile, what really is happening every day is an innocent black man is being killed by a black man. But God forbid we focus on that.

I'm not one for racism, but I do know how to spot the biggest one in a thread. In this thread, it is easily Scalabrine.

scalabrine

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Posted: May. 25, 2015 - 1:43 AM ET #30

I'm not one for racism, but I do know how to spot the biggest one in a thread. In this thread, it is easily Scalabrine.

You just flat out hate white people. I mean it's oozing out of every word you type.

Ok, I will say this again and I will say this unequivocally:

I

AM

WHITE

I don't have a 'token one white friend' as many here say to make them sound like they are not racist. I have many white friends that I've had my entire life.

My parents are white. My grandparents are white. My great-grandparents were white.

Do I hate my white parents and friends and colleagues and neighbors and tons of people I interact...all because I call out police abuse and the bigots on this site, one of which is you and I can assure you that I could get 99% of all minorities and progressive minded whites to agree me you are a pig bigot (and you don't even know it, that's the sad part) if I showed them what you type here? Yes, I HATE these people (putting the word sarcasm here fearing he might quote that sentence).

Now, go look up the word racist or racism and tell me, how a progressive minded white individual, like the same ones you see on TV marching is solidarity with blacks during the protests, when 12 year old black boys are shot and killed in 2 seconds without warning for holding a toy gun (oh and let's not mention the cop who TACKLED Tamir Rice's sister when she came to his aid and threw him in the back of a police car, and for several minutes let him bleed out on a pavement to die, failing to give him medical attention), where black men are choked to death all on video as they plead they cannot breath and they ultimately die...

Yes, THOSE white people who march against those police abuses are the people who HATE....whites. Makes perfect sense.

THAT folks is why I sit here and call most of you fu**ing idiots. This kid centaur is front and center leading the pack.

Because you don't know down from up or up from down.

You don't even know the definition of racist or racism and have yet to look it up and align it with a white person who points out police abuse and/or calls out the raging, pathetic bigots on this site.

Now centaur, I say it again. Look up the definition of the word racist and tell how a white person who lives the life I described above is racist against....wait for it...white people (and hates them too).

You are a child both mentally and in this debate. WHAT have you proven to me or anyone else?

Your avatar says it all. Getting your rocks off on cheerleader undergarments every time you sign on to a gambling website. And you expect people to take you seriously? You don't even know the basic definitions of the words you use.

No folks, the cops who shot Tamir Rice, or choked Eric Garner or the cop who shot Walter Scott, the man running away 5 times in the back, or the cops who shot John Crawford in Walmart...ya know most of the cops I speak out against.

To speak out against them and their actions is now hate...of whites...because all those cops were white.

And I'M THE RACIST folks. Not them....NOT the cops.

That is who I deal with on covers. Children. Bigot children, but children nonetheless.

Be careful who you are addressing because I will embarrass you as I have before Centaur. You are out of your league here.

Now go on Dictionary.com before you speak to me again. And until you do, I will continue to call you a FU**ING IDIOT for not even knowing what you are saying.

Now clean up your act, learn how to present an argument in a proper fashion or I will have nothing more to say to you. You are a waste of time and not on my level (not like any of your bigoted cronies are here either so don't feel bad).

I'm not one for racism, but I do know how to spot the biggest one in a thread. In this thread, it is easily Scalabrine.

You just flat out hate white people. I mean it's oozing out of every word you type.

Ok, I will say this again and I will say this unequivocally:

I

AM

WHITE

I don't have a 'token one white friend' as many here say to make them sound like they are not racist. I have many white friends that I've had my entire life.

My parents are white. My grandparents are white. My great-grandparents were white.

Yes, THOSE white people who march against those police abuses are the people who HATE....whites. Makes perfect sense.

THAT folks is why I sit here and call most of you fu**ing idiots. This kid centaur is front and center leading the pack.

Because you don't know down from up or up from down.

You are a child both mentally and in this debate. WHAT have you proven to me or anyone else?

To speak out against them and their actions is now hate...of whites...because all those cops were white.

And I'M THE RACIST folks. Not them....NOT the cops.

That is who I deal with on covers. Children. Bigot children, but children nonetheless.

Be careful who you are addressing because I will embarrass you as I have before Centaur. You are out of your league here.

Now go on Dictionary.com before you speak to me again. And until you do, I will continue to call you a FU**ING IDIOT for not even knowing what you are saying.

scalabrine

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Posted: May. 25, 2015 - 1:48 AM ET #31

Thanks for using the copy and paste feature on those Supreme Court cases I was familiar with when you were pooping your Elmo Huggies.

Now get in line and take a number kid.

It'll be like waiting for cold cuts at your local grocery store. I may call your number. I may not. But hold onto that ticket for dear life or papa may break out his leather belt because you never got home to make him his bratwurst and head cheese sandwich.

Thanks for using the copy and paste feature on those Supreme Court cases I was familiar with when you were pooping your Elmo Huggies.

Now get in line and take a number kid.

bill702

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Posted: May. 25, 2015 - 2:27 AM ET #32

I like videos like this where you can literally set it up to get the results you want. What exactly does this video prove?

thecentaur

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Posted: May. 25, 2015 - 2:41 AM ET #33

Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

Thanks for using the copy and paste feature on those Supreme Court cases I was familiar with when you were pooping your Elmo Huggies.

Now get in line and take a number kid.

Guy posts actual and pertinent facts

Scatabrane responds with narcissistic smack talk and Huggies/bratwurst sandwich imagery

Same old same old

Is there a better way of referencing supreme court cases than copy and pasting them exactly? Had he summarized them in his own words would you have liked that better?

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Posted: May. 25, 2015 - 4:27 AM ET #34

Scal, doesn't the fact that no one is agreeing with a single word you are saying tell you anything?

There is nothing wrong with being strange. I cannot fault you for that. It's just the way you are but calling out civil people making logical arguments shows nothing but the immature, childish person in you.

You think everyone in here is just out to get you and is just this jerkoff bigot pig? That's your argument why the entire forum is telling you that you are wrong on this subject?

I didn't see anyone say they agreed with what took place in the video. I don't either. It's sickening but if you really care about helping the cause of black injustice then you should take some steps to ensure things change. Is any of that happening by you creating a thread and calling everyone F**king idiots? No. Go form a political team and run for office if you feel so strongly. Surely such a beautiful mind as yours should be wasted on us bigoted FOX news watching morons right?

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Posted: May. 25, 2015 - 4:39 AM ET #35

How about this guy being detained illegally for carrying an AR?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rPEhNa5QXo

What color is his skin?

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Posted: May. 25, 2015 - 9:33 AM ET #36

Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

Answer this please....

1) How many interactions do the police have daily in the US with blacks.....

2) How many blacks have been killed or beaten by those cops.....

Isolated incidents indeed.

Actually surprised there isnt more, as there probably should be. Cops show great restrai t and professionalism. My hats off to them.

Thats what I thought.

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Posted: May. 25, 2015 - 1:38 PM ET #37

Scal, I know that you are white. You can document that when I wrote Not sure if it is a self-loathing deal, or what, but your fight against the fellow white man is more apparent than ever.

And you are clearly going off the deep end. I used to agree with some of the things that you wrote, but you are building the foundation of a man losing his mind.

Maybe you should run an archeology trip into the word racism. If you dug far enough you would see how nothing I'm saying is remotely racist. Christt, I'm the only one on here that found a "draw muhammad" contest remarkably racist, and was pelted for it. Yet you just immediately jump off the rails and plaster me with bigot and racist and pig.

And you completely danced around good statistics I posted. You completely cut off the next four paragraphs. Do you not want to help out with the real issue of America: black on black crime, and how we can stand up and support the black community without blaming racial tension?

You are not helping your case here, you never will. You sound like a stuck up, apathetic isolated narcissist that calls out other people for not doing anything about police brutality AND black on black crime, yet all you do is sit behind a computer and spark racial flames. A real man that can criticize others is one that is proactive and solves problems he's "fighting" in a productive, tangible way in the community. His plight is seen and known by those affected. But you're clearly not a man. Simply turned into an internet troll/bully. That's pretty pathetic.

Calling everybody racists and bigots does NOTHING positive, and it won't change anything. If they were racist yesterday, they will be tomorrow with or without your feedback. When you hopefully judge yourself one day you'll see that what you were fighting for all this time you were really fighting against. You're using name-calling and red scare tactics in the name of racism as your weaponry.

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Posted: May. 25, 2015 - 1:48 PM ET #38

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Posted: May. 25, 2015 - 3:57 PM ET #39

Scalabrine,

Eric Garner: Garner had been arrested over 30 times. His autopsy showed that the officer did not kill him by using a choke hold. The officer used a rear seat belt hold. Police are trained to use a lateral vascular neck restraint, not to choke out people. He died because of resisting arrest, acute and chronic bronchial asthma, obesity, and heart disease. Garner did not die at the scene. He suffered cardiac arrest in the ambulance. The lesson to be learned from all this is to take care of your health, don't break the law, comply with officers orders, and don't resist arrest.

Walter Scott: We don't know what happened directly before the shooting. All we know is that Scott had been arrested 10 times and that he ran from his car for no reason. Scott also had a history of aggression. If Scott threatened the officer in any way, officer Slager has Tennessee v. Garner on his side.

Tamir Rice: The kid was pointing what looked like a real firearm at people. An officer has .25 of a second to make a life and death decision. The kid reached for his waist as soon as the officer arrived at the scene. There was no time for verbal commands to be given. The kid was shot at center mass while reaching for his waist. The officer followed protocol, the law, and did what he was trained in the academy to do in that exact situation.

According to the penal code, a person is justified in using deadly force against another if a reasonable person in the acting officers situation would have not retreated. US law states, the use of deadly force is also authorized when a person poses a significant threat to a law enforcement officer, usually when the officer is at risk of serious bodily injury or death.

Police view rice's sister as a supportive spectator. Police take a Use of Force course in the police academy and are taught that supportive spectators are a serious threat. People can't just burst onto a crime scene. The officer is trained to protect the crime scene and to be fearful of supportive spectators. The officer did exactly what he was trained to do.

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Posted: May. 25, 2015 - 4:10 PM ET #40

Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76:

how many police officers fired their guns? We're all white?

Don’t tell me the law. Tell me the judge.

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Posted: May. 25, 2015 - 4:23 PM ET #41

Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76:

how many police officers fired their guns? We're all white?

13 officers fired shots at the scene after the chase, I recall the news saying that some (at least 2) were black. Haven't been able to find the exact number in any recent article, there may be more info in some older articles from closer to the time of the shooting (2012)

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Posted: May. 25, 2015 - 6:07 PM ET #42

Unfortunately, I broke down and watched the video. Not really sure what it proves, and what the point is......

Context is everything. If I slung my hunting rifle over my shoulder and walked into town (a small, Montana town), then I could pretty much guarantee that I am going to be confronted by law enforcement. Who knows how that interaction will unfold?

If I slung the same rifle over my shoulder and walked into downtown Oakland CA, then I could pretty much guarantee an encounter with law enforcement. Who knows how that interaction will unfold?

Same action, different place......more than likely a very different result. Outcome depends on the day, the players, etc.

Simply put, everything on the planet is not about race. Not real sure where scal gets the energy to ramble on at length about race daily.

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Posted: May. 25, 2015 - 7:00 PM ET #43

It's called common sense. For all we know both of those videos were set-ups. Obviously different neighborhoods, who knows if anything just happened in the neighborhood prior to the 2nd scene. Some could've called in that the black man was acting irrationally before the cop showed up.

There's no doubt that black & white are treated differently. Look at the crime rates and the murder statistics. Do you not believe there will not be consequences for such statistics? Cops would be completely suicidal not to react differently to corn rows than 2 clean cut white dudes. That's just the way it is, I have no problem with it, and I won't apologize for it in the same way you won't apologize for the riots/looting in Baltimore over an ALLEGED offense against a repeatedly convicted heroin dealer.

I find it amusing that you try to make some concrete across the board point due to this video...

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Posted: May. 25, 2015 - 7:57 PM ET #44

Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:

i have no idea, read article about it on Friday. Just thought it odd that they mentioned a lot of officers fired their guns but only mentioned the race of the one that killed the victim.

Whole story seems very odd to me, if it as it was reported can't see how shooter isn't guilty of at least manslaughter

Don’t tell me the law. Tell me the judge.

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Posted: May. 25, 2015 - 8:39 PM ET #45

Benhogan76,

Freaking Canadians... manslaughter is a crime. The officer didn't commit a crime. According to the United States Supreme Court, the officer was completely justified to use deadly force in that situation.

Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985) [1], was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that, under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, he or she may not use deadly force to prevent escape unless " the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others."

I'm sick of this unarmed bullsh1t. Those crack heads led police on a dangerous and reckless 22 mile chase at 100 mph while high on crack. Lucky no innocent people were seriously hurt or killed.

Police officers are trained to shoot until the threat is over. There is no law on how many bullets can be used to stop criminals. The world is better off without those two crack heads. Those officers deserve a round of applause and a medal.

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Posted: May. 25, 2015 - 9:17 PM ET #46

Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76:

i have no idea, read article about it on Friday. Just thought it odd that they mentioned a lot of officers fired their guns but only mentioned the race of the one that killed the victim.

Whole story seems very odd to me, if it as it was reported can't see how shooter isn't guilty of at least manslaughter

The judge actually said there was evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to find Brelo guilty of the secondary charges (felonious assault), but because of the perception of a threat.

Here is the judges complete verdict:

https://localtvwjw.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/odonnell-ruling.pdf

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Posted: May. 25, 2015 - 10:30 PM ET #47

Quote Originally Posted by TheDrizzle77:

Scal, I know that you are white. You can document that when I wrote Not sure if it is a self-loathing deal, or what, but your fight against the fellow white man is more apparent than ever.

And you are clearly going off the deep end. I used to agree with some of the things that you wrote, but you are building the foundation of a man losing his mind.

I'll ask again because you and everyone here has NEVER answered the question, and continue to evade it.

And now I have to post the definition because you are incapable of looking it up.

Racist: a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

Now tell me, as someone who is white, how I qualify as being a racist?

And Drizzle, you are a pig. You CONSTANTLY defame blacks ALL THE TIME on this site with the other scum here like you have nothing better to do.

I am the ONLY guy who will call you out for it and will continue to do so.

If you think that is 'going off the rails' you are more of a child than I previously thought. Someone calls you a pig bigot (you are) and disagrees with you, then that person is 'going off the rails'.

And yes you deserve all the derogatory comments I throw your way in the same manner you throw them at blacks on this site every day. You've earned them with your conduct here.