California approves self-driving cars by 2015 - https://www.cnet.com/news/california-approves-self-driving-cars-in-2015/
300,000 miles without getting a ticket is not bad at all...
Google's Self-Driving Cars Have Never Gotten a Ticket - https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/05/googles-self-driving-cars-have-never-gotten-a-ticket/371172/
The only accidents the cars were involved in were when a human was in control and the self driving controls were turned off OR when a human driving another car caused the accident. Hard to blame a self driving car for being rear ended...
Google’s Self-Driving Cars Approach 700,000 Miles of Crash-Free Driving - https://www.rightsidenews.com/2014042834199/editorial/us-opinion-and-editorial/google-s-self-driving-cars-approach-700-000-miles-of-crash-free-driving.html
So, are ya'll ready to buy one? And be part of the future...
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And California is leading the way...
California approves self-driving cars by 2015 - https://www.cnet.com/news/california-approves-self-driving-cars-in-2015/
300,000 miles without getting a ticket is not bad at all...
Google's Self-Driving Cars Have Never Gotten a Ticket - https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/05/googles-self-driving-cars-have-never-gotten-a-ticket/371172/
The only accidents the cars were involved in were when a human was in control and the self driving controls were turned off OR when a human driving another car caused the accident. Hard to blame a self driving car for being rear ended...
Google’s Self-Driving Cars Approach 700,000 Miles of Crash-Free Driving - https://www.rightsidenews.com/2014042834199/editorial/us-opinion-and-editorial/google-s-self-driving-cars-approach-700-000-miles-of-crash-free-driving.html
So, are ya'll ready to buy one? And be part of the future...
no way. I would read further on this one. there by no way not perfect. there was a test drive done in Nevada and the car only drove it self 93% of the time meaning the human had to take over the other 7 percent. imagine if you were driving on a 8 hour trip and 5 hours in your car alerts you that you have to take over. how awake do you think your going to be. my bet is most people are going to be zombied out and not be awake at all and there will still be accidents do to people who won't pay attention when they have to take over manually. they might just be asleep or stairing into space witch is more likely the case. I hear their doing it in Germany next year. they also have kill switches in all the cars so if a cop wanted your car turned off for any reason your car would stop aoutomaticly. what about all those people who drink would not care if thier car drove them home there goes every excuse in the book to drink and drive or be high on drugs and have your self driving viechle get you home safely.
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no way. I would read further on this one. there by no way not perfect. there was a test drive done in Nevada and the car only drove it self 93% of the time meaning the human had to take over the other 7 percent. imagine if you were driving on a 8 hour trip and 5 hours in your car alerts you that you have to take over. how awake do you think your going to be. my bet is most people are going to be zombied out and not be awake at all and there will still be accidents do to people who won't pay attention when they have to take over manually. they might just be asleep or stairing into space witch is more likely the case. I hear their doing it in Germany next year. they also have kill switches in all the cars so if a cop wanted your car turned off for any reason your car would stop aoutomaticly. what about all those people who drink would not care if thier car drove them home there goes every excuse in the book to drink and drive or be high on drugs and have your self driving viechle get you home safely.
there's other reasons not to get them. they all have built in boxes that go back to the insurance companies that tell them how many miles are being driven a month. this mneans insurance companies can start charging by the mile. insurance companies across the united states already starting trials to charge by the mile if people agree to have one of those black boxes installed in thier cars. if insurance companies get thier way all cars will be self driving. because they will make it so people can't afford insurance on cars that arn't self driving. I don't think the american public should be so willing to buy them.
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there's other reasons not to get them. they all have built in boxes that go back to the insurance companies that tell them how many miles are being driven a month. this mneans insurance companies can start charging by the mile. insurance companies across the united states already starting trials to charge by the mile if people agree to have one of those black boxes installed in thier cars. if insurance companies get thier way all cars will be self driving. because they will make it so people can't afford insurance on cars that arn't self driving. I don't think the american public should be so willing to buy them.
there's other reasons not to get them. they all have built in boxes that go back to the insurance companies that tell them how many miles are being driven a month. this mneans insurance companies can start charging by the mile. insurance companies across the united states already starting trials to charge by the mile if people agree to have one of those black boxes installed in thier cars. if insurance companies get thier way all cars will be self driving. because they will make it so people can't afford insurance on cars that arn't self driving. I don't think the american public should be so willing to buy them.
i think insurance companies are sh*tting themselves at this happening, with no accidents, no-one will need insurance, they'll go out of business as will body shops, parts shops, even car dealerships will do less business if people aren't writing off their wheels.
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Quote Originally Posted by coolspot:
there's other reasons not to get them. they all have built in boxes that go back to the insurance companies that tell them how many miles are being driven a month. this mneans insurance companies can start charging by the mile. insurance companies across the united states already starting trials to charge by the mile if people agree to have one of those black boxes installed in thier cars. if insurance companies get thier way all cars will be self driving. because they will make it so people can't afford insurance on cars that arn't self driving. I don't think the american public should be so willing to buy them.
i think insurance companies are sh*tting themselves at this happening, with no accidents, no-one will need insurance, they'll go out of business as will body shops, parts shops, even car dealerships will do less business if people aren't writing off their wheels.
In 2010, there were an estimated 5,419,000 crashes, killing 32,885 and injuring 2,239,000.
Could not find 2013... I know this is ghoulish... But think how much money would be saved and how many people would be without work if these figures dropped by even 10%... And if they were cut in half... We would see an economic impact...
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In 2010, there were an estimated 5,419,000 crashes, killing 32,885 and injuring 2,239,000.
Could not find 2013... I know this is ghoulish... But think how much money would be saved and how many people would be without work if these figures dropped by even 10%... And if they were cut in half... We would see an economic impact...
At a computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated: "If GM had kept up with the technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving $25.00 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon."
In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release (by Mr. Welch himself) stating:
If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics:
1. For no reason at all, your car would crash twice a day.
2. Every time they repainted the lines on the road, you would have to buy a new car.
3. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left-turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, and you would have to reinstall the engine.
4. When your car died on the freeway for no reason, you would just accept this, restart and drive on.
5. Only one person at a time could use the car, unless you bought 'Car95' or 'CarNT', and then added more seats.
6. Apple would make a car powered by the sun, reliable, five times as fast, and twice as easy to drive, but would run on only five per cent of the roads.
7. Oil, water temperature and alternator warning lights would be replaced by a single 'general car default' warning light.
8. New seats would force every-one to have the same size butt.
9. The airbag would say 'Are you sure?' before going off.
10. Occasionally, for no reason, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key, and grabbed the radio antenna.
11. GM would require all car buyers to also purchase a deluxe set of road maps from Rand-McNally (a subsidiary of GM), even though they neither need them nor want them. Trying to delete this option would immediately cause the car's performance to diminish by 50 per cent or more. Moreover, GM would become a target for investigation by the Justice Department.
12. Every time GM introduced a new model, car buyers would have to learn how to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car.
13. You would press the 'start' button to shut off the engine.
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At a computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated: "If GM had kept up with the technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving $25.00 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon."
In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release (by Mr. Welch himself) stating:
If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics:
1. For no reason at all, your car would crash twice a day.
2. Every time they repainted the lines on the road, you would have to buy a new car.
3. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left-turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, and you would have to reinstall the engine.
4. When your car died on the freeway for no reason, you would just accept this, restart and drive on.
5. Only one person at a time could use the car, unless you bought 'Car95' or 'CarNT', and then added more seats.
6. Apple would make a car powered by the sun, reliable, five times as fast, and twice as easy to drive, but would run on only five per cent of the roads.
7. Oil, water temperature and alternator warning lights would be replaced by a single 'general car default' warning light.
8. New seats would force every-one to have the same size butt.
9. The airbag would say 'Are you sure?' before going off.
10. Occasionally, for no reason, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key, and grabbed the radio antenna.
11. GM would require all car buyers to also purchase a deluxe set of road maps from Rand-McNally (a subsidiary of GM), even though they neither need them nor want them. Trying to delete this option would immediately cause the car's performance to diminish by 50 per cent or more. Moreover, GM would become a target for investigation by the Justice Department.
12. Every time GM introduced a new model, car buyers would have to learn how to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car.
13. You would press the 'start' button to shut off the engine.
Right now in history, technology is advancing quicker than ever before. You won't be able to even imagine what will happen 10 years from now. In the past, it took 100 years. A 100 years ago, if you would have told someone that you would be able to somehow get from New York to L.A. in 6 hours in the future, they wouldn't have seen any way that would happen. There will be self driving cars with all of the kinks worked out within 10 years, bet on it.
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Right now in history, technology is advancing quicker than ever before. You won't be able to even imagine what will happen 10 years from now. In the past, it took 100 years. A 100 years ago, if you would have told someone that you would be able to somehow get from New York to L.A. in 6 hours in the future, they wouldn't have seen any way that would happen. There will be self driving cars with all of the kinks worked out within 10 years, bet on it.
Right now in history, technology is advancing quicker than ever before. You won't be able to even imagine what will happen 10 years from now. In the past, it took 100 years. A 100 years ago, if you would have told someone that you would be able to somehow get from New York to L.A. in 6 hours in the future, they wouldn't have seen any way that would happen. There will be self driving cars with all of the kinks worked out within 10 years, bet on it.
What surprises me is how anyone over 50 can be say anything in the future is impossible... I believe it is more of "I don't want things to change" along with "if I state things WILL NOT change than things WILL NOT change" mentality... My immediate thought is grow-up... It is not a horse in the garage it is a car... and... The "party line" today is not the "party line" from when you were a kid... Things change and the world is not yours anymore... Now it is theirs...
For you younguns... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_line_%28telephony%29 Could you imagine telling a 16 year old girl today she will have to share time on her cell phone with 9 other 16 year old girls?
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Quote Originally Posted by Jaypay:
Right now in history, technology is advancing quicker than ever before. You won't be able to even imagine what will happen 10 years from now. In the past, it took 100 years. A 100 years ago, if you would have told someone that you would be able to somehow get from New York to L.A. in 6 hours in the future, they wouldn't have seen any way that would happen. There will be self driving cars with all of the kinks worked out within 10 years, bet on it.
What surprises me is how anyone over 50 can be say anything in the future is impossible... I believe it is more of "I don't want things to change" along with "if I state things WILL NOT change than things WILL NOT change" mentality... My immediate thought is grow-up... It is not a horse in the garage it is a car... and... The "party line" today is not the "party line" from when you were a kid... Things change and the world is not yours anymore... Now it is theirs...
For you younguns... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_line_%28telephony%29 Could you imagine telling a 16 year old girl today she will have to share time on her cell phone with 9 other 16 year old girls?
What surprises me is how anyone over 50 can be say anything in the future is impossible... I believe it is more of "I don't want things to change" along with "if I state things WILL NOT change than things WILL NOT change" mentality... My immediate thought is grow-up... It is not a horse in the garage it is a car... and... The "party line" today is not the "party line" from when you were a kid... Things change and the world is not yours anymore... Now it is theirs...
For you younguns... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_line_%28telephony%29 Could you imagine telling a 16 year old girl today she will have to share time on her cell phone with 9 other 16 year old girls?
Randisist, you need to consider that after you turn 30 you start becoming slightly more stubborn with each year that passes, and you like change less and less. Well, at least that's how it used to be. Millenials (me included) will probably not suffer from this as we have lived in a society where everything is constantly changing, but most people born before the 70's will probably not accept change as easily.
In any case, I believe this kind of technology will be available soon, but I don't think most people will welcome it gracefully.
There will be resistance from multiple sources, the most important ones being consumers and governments.
Although this seems like an ideal "thing", consider how many jobs would be lost, and how many dollars would stop flowing into the economy because of this. Insurance companies, hospitals and other medical industry businesses, factories dedicated to car parts (many parts wouldn't be necessary any longer, so decrease in revenue is a given), the metallurgic industry (less steel needed for car parts) and many other examples exist to sustain why this isn't a good thing when taking the economy into consideration.
And that's the top of the iceberg; you would still need to consider whether oil owners accept the change, because if they consider it a threat instead of an opportunity, these guys will take strong measures to make sure this doesn't take off as easily.
These cars might be ready to be used in most industrialized countries at some point during the next 5 years, but I don't think these will become widely accepted for at least the next 20-30 years.
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Quote Originally Posted by Randisist:
What surprises me is how anyone over 50 can be say anything in the future is impossible... I believe it is more of "I don't want things to change" along with "if I state things WILL NOT change than things WILL NOT change" mentality... My immediate thought is grow-up... It is not a horse in the garage it is a car... and... The "party line" today is not the "party line" from when you were a kid... Things change and the world is not yours anymore... Now it is theirs...
For you younguns... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_line_%28telephony%29 Could you imagine telling a 16 year old girl today she will have to share time on her cell phone with 9 other 16 year old girls?
Randisist, you need to consider that after you turn 30 you start becoming slightly more stubborn with each year that passes, and you like change less and less. Well, at least that's how it used to be. Millenials (me included) will probably not suffer from this as we have lived in a society where everything is constantly changing, but most people born before the 70's will probably not accept change as easily.
In any case, I believe this kind of technology will be available soon, but I don't think most people will welcome it gracefully.
There will be resistance from multiple sources, the most important ones being consumers and governments.
Although this seems like an ideal "thing", consider how many jobs would be lost, and how many dollars would stop flowing into the economy because of this. Insurance companies, hospitals and other medical industry businesses, factories dedicated to car parts (many parts wouldn't be necessary any longer, so decrease in revenue is a given), the metallurgic industry (less steel needed for car parts) and many other examples exist to sustain why this isn't a good thing when taking the economy into consideration.
And that's the top of the iceberg; you would still need to consider whether oil owners accept the change, because if they consider it a threat instead of an opportunity, these guys will take strong measures to make sure this doesn't take off as easily.
These cars might be ready to be used in most industrialized countries at some point during the next 5 years, but I don't think these will become widely accepted for at least the next 20-30 years.
Randisist, you need to consider that after you turn 30 you start becoming slightly more stubborn with each year that passes, and you like change less and less. Well, at least that's how it used to be. Millenials (me included) will probably not suffer from this as we have lived in a society where everything is constantly changing, but most people born before the 70's will probably not accept change as easily.
In any case, I believe this kind of technology will be available soon, but I don't think most people will welcome it gracefully.
There will be resistance from multiple sources, the most important ones being consumers and governments.
Although this seems like an ideal "thing", consider how many jobs would be lost, and how many dollars would stop flowing into the economy because of this. Insurance companies, hospitals and other medical industry businesses, factories dedicated to car parts (many parts wouldn't be necessary any longer, so decrease in revenue is a given), the metallurgic industry (less steel needed for car parts) and many other examples exist to sustain why this isn't a good thing when taking the economy into consideration.
And that's the top of the iceberg; you would still need to consider whether oil owners accept the change, because if they consider it a threat instead of an opportunity, these guys will take strong measures to make sure this doesn't take off as easily.
These cars might be ready to be used in most industrialized countries at some point during the next 5 years, but I don't think these will become widely accepted for at least the next 20-30 years.
Born Mar 1960... Tad bit pass 30...
I like to consider myself a realist... I appreciate technology... And can accept that things are changing and will continue to change...
As I have posted many times society has to evolve to keep up with the changing economics. There has to be HUGE shift in the way people look at wealth, the way people sit in judgement of each other based on possessions. The idiot mentality of my car is bigger than yours so I am better than you has got to go... My house is bigger than yours so I am better than you... Could you imagine a society where people worked to be happy verses get one up on the next person... Not everybody wants to be the supervisor...
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Quote Originally Posted by sethm:
Randisist, you need to consider that after you turn 30 you start becoming slightly more stubborn with each year that passes, and you like change less and less. Well, at least that's how it used to be. Millenials (me included) will probably not suffer from this as we have lived in a society where everything is constantly changing, but most people born before the 70's will probably not accept change as easily.
In any case, I believe this kind of technology will be available soon, but I don't think most people will welcome it gracefully.
There will be resistance from multiple sources, the most important ones being consumers and governments.
Although this seems like an ideal "thing", consider how many jobs would be lost, and how many dollars would stop flowing into the economy because of this. Insurance companies, hospitals and other medical industry businesses, factories dedicated to car parts (many parts wouldn't be necessary any longer, so decrease in revenue is a given), the metallurgic industry (less steel needed for car parts) and many other examples exist to sustain why this isn't a good thing when taking the economy into consideration.
And that's the top of the iceberg; you would still need to consider whether oil owners accept the change, because if they consider it a threat instead of an opportunity, these guys will take strong measures to make sure this doesn't take off as easily.
These cars might be ready to be used in most industrialized countries at some point during the next 5 years, but I don't think these will become widely accepted for at least the next 20-30 years.
Born Mar 1960... Tad bit pass 30...
I like to consider myself a realist... I appreciate technology... And can accept that things are changing and will continue to change...
As I have posted many times society has to evolve to keep up with the changing economics. There has to be HUGE shift in the way people look at wealth, the way people sit in judgement of each other based on possessions. The idiot mentality of my car is bigger than yours so I am better than you has got to go... My house is bigger than yours so I am better than you... Could you imagine a society where people worked to be happy verses get one up on the next person... Not everybody wants to be the supervisor...
I like to consider myself a realist... I appreciate technology... And can accept that things are changing and will continue to change...
As I have posted many times society has to evolve to keep up with the changing economics. There has to be HUGE shift in the way people look at wealth, the way people sit in judgement of each other based on possessions. The idiot mentality of my car is bigger than yours so I am better than you has got to go... My house is bigger than yours so I am better than you... Could you imagine a society where people worked to be happy verses get one up on the next person... Not everybody wants to be the supervisor...
That's great; my father was born in '56 and he has kept an open mind to technology as well, but that tends to be the exception rather than the rule.
Also, there's a difference between accepting and embracing change.
Many people I know who are over 45 tend to accept change and slightly adjust if needed for their career, but they don't embrace most of those changes for almost anything else.
It would be nice if society worked the way you portray it, but it's not sustainable. I wish it was possible, but if it was, communism should be possible (but it isn't as constantly proven through history).
The only traits most humans share which can't be eliminated (in my opinion), whether it's in a genetic level due to survival or taught by society, are greed and desiring what others have.
I believe the desire to be in a better position than others is the sole reason humanity can't achieve such level of harmony, and that's also the entire foundation of capitalism.
I don't remember where I read it, but the following phrase is something I'll never forget:
"Humans are their only natural predator".
In other words, we will be cause our own demise.
The only reason for that is because we don't feel satisfied with what we have at any given point.
Which leads back to the original point; those who have more money and "power" right now, and require this to fail, will try and make it fail - at least slow it down as much as possible if they can't find a way to profit from it or stop it.
These cars might be ready soon, but they will likely require more time (maybe even decades) before most society accepts them as the next step to the future.
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Quote Originally Posted by Randisist:
Born Mar 1960... Tad bit pass 30...
I like to consider myself a realist... I appreciate technology... And can accept that things are changing and will continue to change...
As I have posted many times society has to evolve to keep up with the changing economics. There has to be HUGE shift in the way people look at wealth, the way people sit in judgement of each other based on possessions. The idiot mentality of my car is bigger than yours so I am better than you has got to go... My house is bigger than yours so I am better than you... Could you imagine a society where people worked to be happy verses get one up on the next person... Not everybody wants to be the supervisor...
That's great; my father was born in '56 and he has kept an open mind to technology as well, but that tends to be the exception rather than the rule.
Also, there's a difference between accepting and embracing change.
Many people I know who are over 45 tend to accept change and slightly adjust if needed for their career, but they don't embrace most of those changes for almost anything else.
It would be nice if society worked the way you portray it, but it's not sustainable. I wish it was possible, but if it was, communism should be possible (but it isn't as constantly proven through history).
The only traits most humans share which can't be eliminated (in my opinion), whether it's in a genetic level due to survival or taught by society, are greed and desiring what others have.
I believe the desire to be in a better position than others is the sole reason humanity can't achieve such level of harmony, and that's also the entire foundation of capitalism.
I don't remember where I read it, but the following phrase is something I'll never forget:
"Humans are their only natural predator".
In other words, we will be cause our own demise.
The only reason for that is because we don't feel satisfied with what we have at any given point.
Which leads back to the original point; those who have more money and "power" right now, and require this to fail, will try and make it fail - at least slow it down as much as possible if they can't find a way to profit from it or stop it.
These cars might be ready soon, but they will likely require more time (maybe even decades) before most society accepts them as the next step to the future.
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Born Mar 1960... Tad bit pass 30...
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