The end of online gambling is near

It's confirmed.  I'm in New York guys. I received a confirmation from  SportsInteraction .  NO US CUSTOMERS

Van, 

every online book has huge risk tied to it right now.

should be the best year for locals in a long time.

nfl is coming.

this thread is amazing.

vanzack has connections.

 

 Vanzack, very informative post as usual.  You provide a huge service for this forum.  On another note, how do you feel about using agents that have action tied to a sportsbook? 

Well I'm not moving 5K per bet, I have a feeling those who are have a local book rather than banking offshore

I think offshore, maybe anything avoiding Europe probably has deposit means and withdrawal methods that are somewhat legit.....Yes I understand the US can't acknowledge the WTO rulings against them, so why should I think Costa or any other book obeys the US bullshit (illegal) laws???

Maybe using CC or similar methods of deposit or withdrawal can be affected, but I think you can always find some skirt way around all the (illegal) shit, since the US has compromised their integrity and they have seemed to only focus on Banks allowing US transfers....I'm not in the "know" but I do understand law and restriction and since the US has violated certain laws, as well as, restricted certain access they are complicit or at least "illegal". Not saying everything is on the up and up, but there should be no problem w/ the gambler depositing/withdrawing cash

If you live in the states and are worried about a deposit/withdrawal well I can say w/ some confidence that they probably violated certain "WTO" rights and they aren't aimed at the individual citizen, rather books that accept wagers from the citizens

Clearly any1 who understands WTO rulings realizes the US hasn't obeyed/accepted clear international law, which in that same breath means the US isn't targeting individuals but rather major corp's aimed at their audience....As a US citizen who just makes bets on deposits, I can't imagine you have problems (assuming the book is legit) since the gov't isn't aiming its guns at you, and since they violate Free Trade agreement's they cannot even create a case against you \

Of course certain books in England or Europe may avoid the problem and not accept your wagers, but I highly doubt economies in the caribbean or s. america will roll over to the absurd US "illegal" stances....Any horse-racing (not on site) or other gambling version is completely against WTO standards, and since the US gov''t/states accept revenue from these ventures well monopoly and free trades clearly explain their ignorance

Of course the US gov't may try to argue their point/stance, but until off-track gambling and lotteries are made illegal they have 0 footing to stand on and the WTO has already ruled against that

Seeing the Greek fold like this is demoralizing.

I guess I'm wondering how long Heritage will be in business...

For those interested in 5dimes, this was posted across the street by poster "grantingyou" - and if true is pretty informative.....

"Eric" is the poster, and "Tony" is the head of 5dimes.

Eric: Can you transfer me to Tony please, thank you.
Ronald: Alright, let me check with him real quick
Please wait while I transfer the chat to 'Tony'.
You are now chatting with 'Ronald'
Please wait while I transfer the chat to 'Tony'.
You are now chatting with 'Tony'
Tony: how can I help you today?
Eric: I am sure you are swamped with questions today, but as one of the most respected shops in the world, what is your take on The Greek exiting the U.S and BJ closing? Obviously to make a transition like this, this deal had to be in the works for a log time.
Tony: there's a time when the boss has enough money, and just doesn't want to deal with potential usa issues
Tony: they made the move
Eric: Nothing more than this? Do you see CRIS or you exiting US soon?
Tony: for some people, how much more money do you need?
Eric: I am sure Spiro had tons
Tony: we'll be the last two
Tony: is another 25 million going to change his life
Tony: i think not
Eric: I am sure this is helping your business and Mickey's
Tony: i know it isn't hurting any
Eric: What is happening with Scotty @ BJ?
Tony: not sure, didn't get to speak much to him today, as he was swamped with a zillion people wanting to talk to him
Eric: I am sure you have millions, when is enough for you?
Tony: i live in CR, permanently, so i really could care less about going back to the USA
Tony: so my decisions are not effected by us threats
Eric: Heritage is solid, but can they handle this?
Tony: i think so
Tony: be curious to see how quickly they show people the door
Tony: as they are a 100% sqaure shop
Eric: I think they have to be a bit more tolerable with sharp play, as I am sure they paid for some of those accounts, unless Spiro kept some either post up or credit side.
Tony: only time will tell, i've known the guys from heritage for a long time, they have their shit together
Tony: i know it
Eric: Will you offer book-to-book with bet heritage?
Tony: and more importantly, spiro clearly knows it
Tony: we've been asked that about 50 times today
Tony: never were asked once before yesterday
Tony: we're more than willing to, its up to them
Eric: I have asked before
Eric: Great, thanks for the chat. Good luck to you, unless I am on a side or total.
Tony: well, they're a little busy today to worry about transfers
Tony: but i'm on it
Eric: Thanks, have a good day.
Tony: you too

Im neutral on it.  Depends on your arrangement.  Hard to make a blanket statement because everyone is different.

Thanks for the compliment.

Quote: Originally Posted by vanzack]

In order to get a European book acct, a pinnacle acct, a MB account, or a Neteller acct, you need the following:

1.  An address outside of the USA, and a utility bill in your name at the same address, and preferably a drivers license with the same address.

2.  An IP address of that same country.

3.  A bank account in that same country.

Once you have those three things, the sports gambling world is your oyster.

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Hey Van, Thanks so much for your expertise in this matter! This is what I've been searching for for a while now.
I just have 2 questions if you may.

1) Once I set up all 3 of those requirements, in terms of withdrawals...would it primarily be thru bank wires? Cause it would seem to me checks would be out of the question, considering there is no way to pick up the checks at the address of the foreign country, unless you travel there all the time to pick it up.

2) In requirement #1 you say a utility bill with your name on it, and then say "preferably" a drivers license also at the same address. Can you elaborate on "preferably"? Do only certain books require it? Or do most books require a drivers license?

Thanks again for all your help in this matter!

1.  You have Neteller (or any other ewallet) at your disposal.  No need for wires, checks - you go back to instant transfers.

2.  Most books do not require a DL.  But most banks will (or an equivalent).

 

Then what is the need for the foreign bank account? is it just for the initial deposit?

In order to get Neteller, or move money in and out of any book directly.

None of those organizations will deal with a US bank.

I see.....makes sense. Thanks again for all your expertise in these matters, you are truly an asset to this entire forum.
One last question if I may, maybe a little personal but....do you personally only withdraw via Neteller? or is that your main method?

I hope you don't feel like I'm grilling you Van, I'm just trying to the pick the brain of a professional in matters in this field.

Thanks again and take care.

I really wont get in to the particulars of what I do personally.

But Neteller is an awesome option for those who have established themselves with an offshore presence.

BTW Dosan - google similar topics but use "poker" in your search.  There is a lot out there since 4/15 - simply because poker players outnumber us 100-1.

Lots of other experiences are detailed with this exact type of thing.

Thanks for the heads up Van. Did a google search like you said, lots of great threads out there on similar topics

Seems like setting up the bank account will be the most trouble for me personally, getting a drivers license in a foreign country? or getting a student visa to open a bank account? Are there easier ways to open up a foreign bank account....?

Hey Van, there are so many VPN available, are they all reliable?

Can you recommend one to use?

Heres a Crazy thought, Play w the Local Guy, like u did up until a couple yrs ago, i never had a problem, $ was Always Good, never had 2 worry about a wire transfer, what country, is it Legit, I'm glad all these Offshore places r getting Squashed

i agree in a way. i could find 10 locals with different lines and a credit or bankroll pretty high. all trustworthy. and i'm an idiot compared to some of these guys. not sure why van and others can't do the same. i could do it all by text on a prepaid phone. send out 1 text to 10 locals and i'd have ten options in a matter of minutes that all know me and it has been fine my entire life. i've never had one problem getting paid or paying.

BUT ..... i am NOT a pro gambler. I am in the shit 95%