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Trump is not a politician, He isnt mincing words and offends as many people as he inspires. It the way the man is, He isnt going to washington to make a new contact list, He isnt going there to get along with anyone He is going their to change the way buisness is done.

will he? no not really , washington has been this way since the 60's
wonderful rhetoric great polished group of lawyers who articulate any side of any debate as if it were their view.

Ben Franklin about expressed a politicians way the best imo,
"i have no opinion till a majority comes up with an opinion that I can agree with. "

washington is a town run by lobbyist with the purse to fund the re election cycle for almost all canidates need this funding mechanism it costs avg 50 million to run for congress and around 100 million to run for senate. the job pays around 400,000 a year not good buisness since so it isnt about the money then what?

POWER. thats why this lawyers club is in the game.

trump already has the power. he hires the lobbiests to express his interests in buisness. now he is the president and this ride hasnt ever been ridden. I am at least interested in what he will do.


 
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Although I would not turn my back to Gandhi, because he would either put a knife in my back or his penis in my butt


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Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

i honestly don't understand why people get angry with protesting.  first, you can completely ignore it but, well, ignoring it.  it's one thing if they are shutting down the roads in your city, then i get it, but almost no one is going to be inconvenienced by this.

secondly, basically, what you are saying is, these people are exercising their constitutional rights that americans died for, and i'm pissed about it. 


I can only speak for myself ... but I think (hope) that I speak for the majority when I say that protestors don't faze me one bit.
I respect their right to protest. 

BUT ... what I have an issue with is a protestor breaking or burning stuff that isn't theirs. I have an issue with protestors assaulting someone simply because they don't agree with their cause. I have an issue with protestors attacking police who are simply trying to do their job. I have an issue with protestors thinking their cause is so important that they can prevent someone from going to work. 

There is nothing wrong with protests, it is the type of protests that is wrong 
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Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

Although I would not turn my back to Gandhi, because he would either put a knife in my back or his penis in my butt


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If Gandhi, who is so critical of this country, should ever come to this country, I would be the first to give him a big welcome hug.

But as soon as I felt a stiff protrusion grinding into my midsection as a reaction of Gandhi enjoying that hug a little too much, I'm pulling away 
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Quote Originally Posted by gfinger:

I wasn't angry with any protesters until one tried to grab my hat off my head. What gives him the right to put his hands on anyone? Then another protester was smashing the window of a store. If that's protesting that people support then something is wrong.

Yeah that's crossing the line....   The idiots blocking traffic who get run over don't get any sympathy either
 
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Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

Those that voted for Trump arent sure he will do a good job. At best, people think he'll be successful at a 60 yes /40 no clip. Most like me, think its a coin flip. America gambled on that coin flip as they knew exactly what america was gonna get if Hillary won....and obviously our country is circling the toilet.....so that was a terrible idea....


Those against Trump are 100% certain he will fail. Which is just silly. Whats worse is those against him HOPE and WANT him to fail. That just means you are a very sad and selfish person...and unamerican.....

"Protesting"....aka rioting....yeah, that'll help things....

A very sad group of individuals. Simply pathetic. I dont know if youre wrong about Trump or not.... but for americas sake I hope you are.


You are making assumptions about Trump opponents wanting him to fail or being 100% sure he will fail. Trump's mouth is his biggest enemy LOL. There are  people (Republicans and Democrats) who do not like Donald Trump not because for who he is but for what he stands for . Trump's remarks on the campaign trail have alienated  women,Hispanics,Blacks and fellow Republicans (Carly Fiorina, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz ).

on January 20th 2009, as President Barack Obama was celebrating his inauguration at various balls, top Republican lawmakers and strategists were conjuring up ways to submarine his presidency at a private dinner in Washington.

According to Robert Draper (“Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the U.S. House of Representatives.” author,)

the guest list that night (which was just over 15 people in total) included 
Republican Reps. Eric Cantor (Va.), 
Kevin McCarthy (Calif.), 
Paul Ryan (Wis.), 
Pete Sessions (Texas), 
Jeb Hensarling (Texas), 
Pete Hoekstra (Mich.) and Dan Lungren (Calif.), along with Republican Sens. Jim DeMint (S.C.), Jon Kyl (Ariz.), Tom Coburn (Okla.), John Ensign (Nev.) and Bob Corker (Tenn.). 
The non-lawmakers present included Newt Gingrich, several years removed from his presidential campaign, and Frank Luntz, the long-time Republican wordsmith. 

The dinner lasted nearly four hours. They parted company almost giddily. The Republicans had agreed on a way forward:
Go after Geithner. (And indeed Kyl did, the next day: ‘Would you answer my question rather than dancing around it—please?’)
Show united and unyielding opposition to the president’s economic policies. (Eight days later, Minority Whip Cantor would hold the House Republicans to a unanimous No against Obama’s economic stimulus plan.)

Republican leaders said they want the President to fail:

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell: "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."
Rush Limbaugh: "I hope he fails."
Tea Party favorite Rep. Michele Bachmann: "we're hoping that President Obama's policies don't succeed."

Are Mcconnell, Paul Ryan and other Republicans sad,selfish and un-american ?


 
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Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:

The R's worked against Obama, this can't be debated ... but partisan politics is as old as Shrimp1958. It didn't start with Obama, and it won't end with Trump.

The difference today, as opposed to 20 years ago, is the advent of the internet, and the grossly biased media.

Trump has been divisive with his words, but I would argue that the internet and MSM has been a far greater force as it relates to divisiveness. 

Yesterday was a perfect example.
In my estimation, Trump's speech was fantastic.
He basically said that the people have been getting screwed from the politicians in DC, and that is changing today!!!
Who could argue with that? ... the left leaning media, that's who.

Chris Mathews referred to the speech as "Hitlerian"  
Seriously?!?!?!?

Rachel Maddow took great joy in reading protesters signs along the parade route. Never a mention that they were in the minority by a huge margin, never a mention that there was great support for Trump, never a mention of anything other than finding one morsel of something to focus on that could somehow dampen the day for Trump. 
Seriously?!?!?!?

The day prior, CNN did a piece on what would happen if Trump and Pence were assassinated before being sworn into office. 
Seriously?!?!?!?

As for the internet, for all the good that comes with it (such as providing a platform so Bigred can explain how Jimmy Smith is the greatest player in the history of the NFL) it is also a cess pool of hatred for both Trump supporters and detractors. 

FOXNews is as guilty as the others in spreading hate and being divisive.
That seems to be generally accepted.
MSNBC, et al, is somehow viewed as being more objective.
Seriously?!?!?!?!?




One of the few things that Jim Rome said over the years that I agreed with is that "the internet is the world's bathroom stall".   
 
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One of the few things that Jim Rome said over the years that I agreed with is that "the internet is the world's bathroom stall".   

You mean that you and I are sharing a stall? 
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With Kaitlyn Jenner 
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and Gandhi 
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It's American to protest Trump
The violence is unacceptable

“You will remember this day,” Draper reports Newt Gingrich as saying on the way out. “You’ll remember this as the day the seeds of 2012 were sown.”

Draper’s timeline is correct. On Jan. 21, 2009, Kyl aggressively questioned Geithner during his confirmation hearings. On Jan. 28, 2009, House GOP leadership held the line against the stimulus package (Senate GOP leadership would prove less successful in stopping defections).

 
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islp, do you believe you have somehow uncovered a piece of history that has not been repeated every 4 years since George Washington took office? 
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"MSM" , fake news and Donald Trump

Trump to CNN: " You are gake news"

Hold on..
when Donald Trump was spreading fake news about Obama, CNN published all the fake news and Trump was OK with that

1) The Affordable Care Act and ‘death panels’
9:13 AM - 28 Nov 2011
Trump tweeted the following

ObamaCare does indeed ration care. Seniors are now restricted to "comfort care" instead of brain surgery. Repeal now! https://bit.ly/spcorH
linking to an article on TheRightScoop.com. 
The notion of death panels was deemed the "Lie of the Year" in 2009 by the fact-checking website Politifact, which traced its rise to comments made by Sarah Palin on Facebook. The additional claims in the story Mr. Trump shared were debunked by the American Association of Neurological Surgeons and the Department of Health and Human Services, according to Snopes, another fact-checking website.


2) President Obama’s holiday message

What a convenient mistake: @BarackObama issued a statement for Kwanza but failed to issue one for Christmas. https://bit.ly/vUmvpM 
11:02 AM - 28 Dec 2011
Mr. Trump took to Twitter to share a story from TheGatewayPundit.com, a conservative blog, which falsely claimed that Mr. Obama had issued a statement for "the fake holiday" Kwanzaa but not for Christmas. (Mr. Obama's Christian faith has been questioned by political opponents; some have sought to assail the legitimacy of his presidency by falsely claiming he is a Muslim.) After the political blog Talking Points Memo refuted the story, Mr. Trump shared it again on Twitter, starting his post with "I'm right, TPM is wrong."
President Obama and his wife wished Americans a "merry Christmas" on Dec. 24, 2011, in a video address shared on Twitter, YouTube and the White House website. Earlier that month, Mr. Obama said he hoped Americans had "the merriest of Christmases," as his family lit the National Christmas Tree in front of the White House, and separately said that "the story of Jesus Christ changed the world" in remarks at the "Christmas in Washington" concert. The statement on Kwanzaa was in line with those made by George W. Bush through 2008.


3) Birtherism   

Donald J. Trump ? @realDonaldTrump
An 'extremely credible source' has called my office and told me that @BarackObama's birth certificate is a fraud.
4:23 PM - 6 Aug 2012
  19,149 19,149 Retweets   14,278 14,278 likes


In March 2011, Mr. Trump started raising questions about President Obama's birthplace and birth certificate on television, on shows that included ABC's "The View" and NBC's "Today." The notion had been debunked and pushed to the realm of conspiracy theorists after Mr. Obama released his short-form birth certificate from the Hawaii Department of Health in 2008.

Mr. Trump also promoted his claims through Twitter, citing "an 'extremely credible source'" that called his office and allegedly told him the certificate was a fraud, as well as linking to posts on blogs like WND.com and FreedomOutpost.com.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:

islp, do you believe you have somehow uncovered a piece of history that has not been repeated every 4 years since George Washington took office? 

I am not sure I understand your question .
Unfortunately you avatar shows you're under arrest 

Should I pay you a courtesy visit at the Covers Correctional Facility ( CCF) ?

Please let me know .

I will also deliver a message of hope to you since you've been quite hopeless lately

Kind Regards .. ilsp2003


 
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Oh and Bless your heart Hugh_Jordan 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:


If Gandhi, who is so critical of this country, should ever come to this country, I would be the first to give him a big welcome hug.

But as soon as I felt a stiff protrusion grinding into my midsection as a reaction of Gandhi enjoying that hug a little too much, I'm pulling away 



that's fair 
 
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if gandi rose from the dead
and came to our country to speak
 I be first one in line for tickets

 
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I think most of us can agree that the 2 party system is a failed enterprise at this point. Big business has ruined our country's working class, not immigrants or liberals or conservatives. Trump is the the final end game of big business politics. A celebrity game show billionaire. He will be great for upper class people that is for sure. For the rest of us, it will be more of the same of the last 30-40 years.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:

The R's worked against Obama, this can't be debated ... but partisan politics is as old as Shrimp1958. It didn't start with Obama, and it won't end with Trump.

The difference today, as opposed to 20 years ago, is the advent of the internet, and the grossly biased media.

Trump has been divisive with his words, but I would argue that the internet and MSM has been a far greater force as it relates to divisiveness. 

Yesterday was a perfect example.
In my estimation, Trump's speech was fantastic.
He basically said that the people have been getting screwed from the politicians in DC, and that is changing today!!!
Who could argue with that? ... the left leaning media, that's who.

Chris Mathews referred to the speech as "Hitlerian"  
Seriously?!?!?!?

Rachel Maddow took great joy in reading protesters signs along the parade route. Never a mention that they were in the minority by a huge margin, never a mention that there was great support for Trump, never a mention of anything other than finding one morsel of something to focus on that could somehow dampen the day for Trump. 
Seriously?!?!?!?

The day prior, CNN did a piece on what would happen if Trump and Pence were assassinated before being sworn into office. 
Seriously?!?!?!?

As for the internet, for all the good that comes with it (such as providing a platform so Bigred can explain how Jimmy Smith is the greatest player in the history of the NFL) it is also a cess pool of hatred for both Trump supporters and detractors. 

FOXNews is as guilty as the others in spreading hate and being divisive.
That seems to be generally accepted.
MSNBC, et al, is somehow viewed as being more objective.
Seriously?!?!?!?!?


We all know politicans dont lie.
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Trump brings it upon himself. He manipulates the truth with every statement and 45% of the country believes it without thinking twice. 

Trump is an entitled a****** that thinks he hit in a home run in life when he was born on third base. To me, he represents every thing that is wrong in America.

 
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Also, Train, once again showing he is afraid of the politics forum. So he has to talk politics in the general discussion forum. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

i honestly don't understand why people get angry with protesting.  first, you can completely ignore it but, well, ignoring it.  it's one thing if they are shutting down the roads in your city, then i get it, but almost no one is going to be inconvenienced by this.

secondly, basically, what you are saying is, these people are exercising their constitutional rights that americans died for, and i'm pissed about it. 

anyway, obama got a lot of nasty sh*t after he won.  you can google obama protests or any search phrase like that and find many examples.  

like this:

https://www.revelist.com/politics/america-responds-obama/5855


and that doesn't include the political protests by elected officials bws mentioned.  and that does hurt everyione.  maybe if these republicans didn't throw a tantrum and actually tried to work with obama, we could have gotten farther with healthcare laws and other sh*t that both sides contributed to to help people rather than just taking a political position to serve themselves.


Club--Could not agree more on peaceful protesting and demonstrations. Freedom of speech and expression is the most endangered Constitutional right we are supposed to enjoy. I do not believe the right to bear arms is even a close second. Stories are legion about the suppression of unpopular speech, particularly on college campuses. Political correctness is a big part of this and it is a real threat to our Republic.

An extension of this unfortunate malaise is the refusal of some media outlets to be honest about reporting on demonstrations. When people start engaging in criminal violence and destruction of property, it is a riot, not a "demonstration." The willingness on the part of some to shade the truth into an unrecognizable oblivion is akin to the former president's unwillingness to acknowledge Islamic terror ;  truth should not be suppressed or denied simply because it is an ill fit with one's own political narrative.
 
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An extension of this unfortunate malaise is the refusal of some media outlets to be honest about reporting on demonstrations. When people start engaging in criminal violence and destruction of property, it is a riot, not a "demonstration."


absolutely.  a lot of things people are pissed off about can be traced directly or indirectly to the media.  for protests, they just can't wait to get footage of fighting or property destruction. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by jdr016:

Also, Train, once again showing he is afraid of the politics forum. So he has to talk politics in the general discussion forum. 

If I wanted regurgitated garbage opinions from people set in stone on their political stances I would post there. I have no interest it your rhetoric or assinine assertions about anything in this world, let alone politics which is as solid as a wet fart.

Clera enough?
 
 
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Clera= clear



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