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Vectorfsm

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Posted: Aug. 29, 2011 - 1:32 PM ET #51

Quote Originally Posted by callmetim:

https://tinyurl.com/4y4zcxs

Here are some inconvenient truths, Mr. V

You know tim, this is actually a good article with a strong viewpoint. Some of it I agree with wholeheartedly. I am not the type of person that has supported everything Obama has done just because he is Barack Obama.

This is my stance. Things could have been done better...that is inarguable. My only real argument for Obama is that he walked into a larger storm than a lot of people realize, and the issue was NOT just the economy, which is what the article focuses on.

Another issue, and the thing that I believe has exacerbated things, is the war spending.

I watched about 30 hours plus of the debt ceiling debates on CSPAN, no joke. I listened to the opinions and heard the things said by virtually every person in the senate, and about half the people in the house.

VERY few people were ok with Boehner's plan ONCE IT WAS EXPOSED.

Obama wanted to be able to have an agreement handed to him that he could agree with, but once his advisers went over it, there was a "wtf" moment as it was apparent that there was NO WAY Obama was going to sign it.

He then wanted to try to come up with something that would be more beneficial, but there simply wasn't enough time. Obama should not have waited so long to get more involved, but I think that letting us go into default just so Obama could have a perfect bill would not have shown strong leadership---it would have displayed strong EGO.

I'll stop here, any thoughts?

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jmilrod

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Posted: Aug. 29, 2011 - 1:39 PM ET #52

if Obama was white he'd be a wigger

Ron Paul 2012

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Greyhound

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Posted: Aug. 29, 2011 - 1:54 PM ET #53

Jason Kidd, one of the best African American point guards that ever lived.

PICTURE

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callmetim

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Posted: Aug. 29, 2011 - 5:23 PM ET #54

Quote Originally Posted by Vectorfsm:

You know tim, this is actually a good article with a strong viewpoint. Some of it I agree with wholeheartedly. I am not the type of person that has supported everything Obama has done just because he is Barack Obama.

This is my stance. Things could have been done better...that is inarguable. My only real argument for Obama is that he walked into a larger storm than a lot of people realize, and the issue was NOT just the economy, which is what the article focuses on.

Another issue, and the thing that I believe has exacerbated things, is the war spending.

I watched about 30 hours plus of the debt ceiling debates on CSPAN, no joke. I listened to the opinions and heard the things said by virtually every person in the senate, and about half the people in the house.

VERY few people were ok with Boehner's plan ONCE IT WAS EXPOSED.

Obama wanted to be able to have an agreement handed to him that he could agree with, but once his advisers went over it, there was a "wtf" moment as it was apparent that there was NO WAY Obama was going to sign it.

He then wanted to try to come up with something that would be more beneficial, but there simply wasn't enough time. Obama should not have waited so long to get more involved, but I think that letting us go into default just so Obama could have a perfect bill would not have shown strong leadership---it would have displayed strong EGO.

I'll stop here, any thoughts?

My thoughts? It's a very simple equation and yes I am going to use black mores.

I own an employment agency and have since 1989. I have interviewed many, many black people due to the radical amount of turnover my industry has and the challenges I have in hiring. Additionally, I have to interview candidates for our client companies. I would estimate between 85% to 90% of the time when I ask a black person what they want to do long term, their answer is somewhere in this context - "I want to own my own business." Or, "I want to be the boss." When asked why, 90% of them have told me "so they can kick back and have others do the work." It's an astonishing abomination.

This, to me, defines Obama's leadership style and appointing Kreuger today reaffirms my beliefs that Obama wants to kick back and have others do the work. This way he can absolve himself of failure and still keep his pearly whites in the media. It reminds me of Hitler - when the shit hit the fan and his world was collapsing, he laid blame to everyone around him; not once looking in the mirror and pointing at the true person responsible. Megalomaniacs operate under these such guises.

Great leadership owns the problems and works on the solutions - they do not make things a capricious act. Henry Ford was heard saying once that there are two kinds of problems out there - ones I can do something about and others I cannot. He went on to say that he simply busts his hump working on the things he can control and the ones he cannot control tend to fade away.

Have we seen Obama bust his hump on anything but an abject health care plan that is not wanted by 85% of Americans?

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Quote Originally Posted by Vectorfsm:

You know tim, this is actually a good article with a strong viewpoint. Some of it I agree with wholeheartedly. I am not the type of person that has supported everything Obama has done just because he is Barack Obama.

This is my stance. Things could have been done better...that is inarguable. My only real argument for Obama is that he walked into a larger storm than a lot of people realize, and the issue was NOT just the economy, which is what the article focuses on.

Another issue, and the thing that I believe has exacerbated things, is the war spending.

I watched about 30 hours plus of the debt ceiling debates on CSPAN, no joke. I listened to the opinions and heard the things said by virtually every person in the senate, and about half the people in the house.

VERY few people were ok with Boehner's plan ONCE IT WAS EXPOSED.

Obama wanted to be able to have an agreement handed to him that he could agree with, but once his advisers went over it, there was a "wtf" moment as it was apparent that there was NO WAY Obama was going to sign it.

He then wanted to try to come up with something that would be more beneficial, but there simply wasn't enough time. Obama should not have waited so long to get more involved, but I think that letting us go into default just so Obama could have a perfect bill would not have shown strong leadership---it would have displayed strong EGO.

I'll stop here, any thoughts?

My thoughts? It's a very simple equation and yes I am going to use black mores.

I own an employment agency and have since 1989. I have interviewed many, many black people due to the radical amount of turnover my industry has and the challenges I have in hiring. Additionally, I have to interview candidates for our client companies. I would estimate between 85% to 90% of the time when I ask a black person what they want to do long term, their answer is somewhere in this context - "I want to own my own business." Or, "I want to be the boss." When asked why, 90% of them have told me "so they can kick back and have others do the work." It's an astonishing abomination.

This, to me, defines Obama's leadership style and appointing Kreuger today reaffirms my beliefs that Obama wants to kick back and have others do the work. This way he can absolve himself of failure and still keep his pearly whites in the media. It reminds me of Hitler - when the shit hit the fan and his world was collapsing, he laid blame to everyone around him; not once looking in the mirror and pointing at the true person responsible. Megalomaniacs operate under these such guises.

Great leadership owns the problems and works on the solutions - they do not make things a capricious act. Henry Ford was heard saying once that there are two kinds of problems out there - ones I can do something about and others I cannot. He went on to say that he simply busts his hump working on the things he can control and the ones he cannot control tend to fade away.

Have we seen Obama bust his hump on anything but an abject health care plan that is not wanted by 85% of Americans?

Vectorfsm

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Posted: Aug. 29, 2011 - 5:49 PM ET #55

So this guy graduated Harvard Law Magna juice Laude, and you want to suggest that he enjoys kicking back and doing nothing?

You have said this to the wrong person.

Also, I own a business were I do a significant amount of hiring myself...I have personally interviewed 1,000s of people in my life, I also used to work with a company named Oxford International, a staffing agency. They focus on senior level IT and telecommunications specialists.

Also, my mother (black) has been a senior HR recruiter for over 30 years. She has worked for 4 different fortune 500 companies, and is employed at one right now. She also only recruits Vps or mid-level execs.

Let me be the first to tell you, that if you have that proportion of candidates giving you those types of answers, then your company A. Does not hire anyone or interview people of high caliber for your clients on a normal basis, as NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE with a shred of intelligence would give such a retarded answer.

B. You interpret what Black people say to center around laziness and lack of productivity.

Comparing Obama to Hitler? I should've just stopped reading right there...I guess, going by that great comparison, should I mention that Hitler was named Man Of The Year by TIME magazine?

I'm no longer paying attention to this topic.

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IPartyALOT

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Posted: Aug. 29, 2011 - 6:29 PM ET #56

If Obama were white . . . .

He'd have never been elected

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callmetim

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Posted: Aug. 29, 2011 - 7:08 PM ET #57

Quote Originally Posted by Vectorfsm:

So this guy graduated Harvard Law Magna juice Laude, and you want to suggest that he enjoys kicking back and doing nothing?

You have said this to the wrong person.

Also, I own a business were I do a significant amount of hiring myself...I have personally interviewed 1,000s of people in my life, I also used to work with a company named Oxford International, a staffing agency. They focus on senior level IT and telecommunications specialists.

Also, my mother (black) has been a senior HR recruiter for over 30 years. She has worked for 4 different fortune 500 companies, and is employed at one right now. She also only recruits Vps or mid-level execs.

Let me be the first to tell you, that if you have that proportion of candidates giving you those types of answers, then your company A. Does not hire anyone or interview people of high caliber for your clients on a normal basis, as NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE with a shred of intelligence would give such a retarded answer.

B. You interpret what Black people say to center around laziness and lack of productivity.

Comparing Obama to Hitler? I should've just stopped reading right there...I guess, going by that great comparison, should I mention that Hitler was named Man Of The Year by TIME magazine?

I'm no longer paying attention to this topic.

Typical. Take personal shots at people rather than address facts. This has been my experience pal. Don't forget that.

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SOBLATANT

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Posted: Aug. 29, 2011 - 10:11 PM ET #58

Quote Originally Posted by IPartyALOT:

If Obama were white . . . .

He'd have never been elected

WOW. Cant believe this but I have to agree with you 100% ChanceP.

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esplanade

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Posted: Aug. 30, 2011 - 12:52 AM ET #59

Quote Originally Posted by Vectorfsm:

So this guy graduated Harvard Law Magna juice Laude, and you want to suggest that he enjoys kicking back and doing nothing?

You have said this to the wrong person.

Also, I own a business were I do a significant amount of hiring myself...I have personally interviewed 1,000s of people in my life, I also used to work with a company named Oxford International, a staffing agency. They focus on senior level IT and telecommunications specialists.

Also, my mother (black) has been a senior HR recruiter for over 30 years. She has worked for 4 different fortune 500 companies, and is employed at one right now. She also only recruits Vps or mid-level execs.

Let me be the first to tell you, that if you have that proportion of candidates giving you those types of answers, then your company A. Does not hire anyone or interview people of high caliber for your clients on a normal basis, as NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE with a shred of intelligence would give such a retarded answer.

B. You interpret what Black people say to center around laziness and lack of productivity.

Comparing Obama to Hitler? I should've just stopped reading right there...I guess, going by that great comparison, should I mention that Hitler was named Man Of The Year by TIME magazine?

I'm no longer paying attention to this topic.

So you've seen his grades?? When they let you in as an under qualified equal opportunity admission, they make every effort to keep you in the program. His grades at Occidental supposedly were pretty poor.

And yes, it is very possible that he is kicking back as president, despite getting "good grades".

Also, he's not doing nothing, he's straight jacking things up. Where's Larry Sinclair when obama needs him?

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Vectorfsm

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Posted: Aug. 30, 2011 - 4:45 PM ET #60

Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:

So you've seen his grades?? When they let you in as an under qualified equal opportunity admission, they make every effort to keep you in the program. His grades at Occidental supposedly were pretty poor.

And yes, it is very possible that he is kicking back as president, despite getting "good grades".

Also, he's not doing nothing, he's straight jacking things up. Where's Larry Sinclair when obama needs him?

Esplanade,

Have you ever applied to Law School? Let alone Harvard law, but law school in general?

Have you ever BEEN through law school?

I never went, but I went through the application process...I got a 3.45 gpa undergrad and scored a top 1% 172 on my LSAT...

Now I was qualified for a lot of schools but decided not to go through with this...but let one thing be known...

I'm about 100% certain I did better than you in both of these areas, and I am black, and there was NO WAY I was getting into Harvard Law.

My gpa put me in about the low 10-15% of those admitted , and my 172 lsat put me at the 55-60% level of those admitted.

To go to a school like that, you have to be a working machine...these people didn't have a life..at ALL.

I actually had a life, I went to the college I went to because it was voted the #1 party school in the country entering freshman year. I wanted to have fun and do well.

Long story short, I truly appreciate the hard work it takes get to certain places in life, and it is one of many reasons I have a lot of respect for Obama.

Now the guy may have made mistakes and did things incorrectly as president, but the insinuation of him not working hard is beyond me. I think that's what Uber is mostly meaning when he emphasizes reason as opposed to a look-at-the-numbers approach.

This is the issue with what you guys are bashing.

You are using statistics to argue POLITICAL situations. Then you are using POLITICAL scenarios to argue ECONOMIC results. Economics, sadly, do NOT have much to do with politics.

As much as people, including Obama, would love to think so, the success or demise of a business has very little to do with politics, as a savvy businessman will simply navigate AROUND politics to ensure success. Trying to work politically is a surefire way to demise.

The results we ALL want are not there. This does not make Obama lazy, and it does not make him incompetent. That guy is working as hard as he fucking can, and I can tell JUST by looking at his resume. There are a tremendous amount of people in congress that make passing anything virtually fucking impossible.

Look at sports wagering, for example? Some people get it, even Obama has taken an OPEN approach, but it takes a RIDICULOUS amount of attributes to pass legislation that would allow it.

You don't graduate Harvard Law by being a slouch, and you certainly don't get any Laude accreditation by skimping around at ANY school.

And seriously, FUCK YOU for that equal opportunity bullshit. This years class has roughly 100 black people in it. You think there are 100 hard-working black people in this fucking country?

Your racism is stronger than the validity of your viewpoints.