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    Who would you label a "choker" in sports?

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    Posted: May. 16, 2013 - 2:51 AM ET #51

    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:

    David Carradine

    I do not consider extreme jerking off or martial arts a sport.

    But nice vote as best choker


    Imagine choke jerking even if it goes well. Wouldn't you feel like the biggest loser post ejac? Skeet skeet skeet and you come back to your senses wondering what are you doing with your life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:

    David Carradine

    I do not consider extreme jerking off or martial arts a sport.

    But nice vote as best choker


    Imagine choke jerking even if it goes well. Wouldn't you feel like the biggest loser post ejac? Skeet skeet skeet and you come back to your senses wondering what are you doing with your life?
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2013 - 11:07 AM ET #52

    the biggest choker in the history of sports, is Peyton Manning. Relative to his supposed skill set, the guy has lost every single big game he's ever had the chance to participate in.
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    the biggest choker in the history of sports, is Peyton Manning. Relative to his supposed skill set, the guy has lost every single big game he's ever had the chance to participate in.
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2013 - 11:09 AM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by be easy:

    the biggest choker in the history of sports, is Peyton Manning. Relative to his supposed skill set, the guy has lost every single big game he's ever had the chance to participate in.

    I predict some push back on this one but I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by be easy:

    the biggest choker in the history of sports, is Peyton Manning. Relative to his supposed skill set, the guy has lost every single big game he's ever had the chance to participate in.

    I predict some push back on this one but I agree.
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2013 - 11:16 AM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:


    I predict some push back on this one but I agree.


    i don't doubt it, but the fact is, at every level and in every opportunity, when Peyton was faced with a big game situation, he sucked bag and lost.

    Some idiot will likely say "what do you mean, he won a Super Bowl"

    LOL, yea, that Bears team they played against with REx at QB doesn't fit my criteria for big game performance. So he beat Devin Hester, woop dee doo
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:


    I predict some push back on this one but I agree.


    i don't doubt it, but the fact is, at every level and in every opportunity, when Peyton was faced with a big game situation, he sucked bag and lost.

    Some idiot will likely say "what do you mean, he won a Super Bowl"

    LOL, yea, that Bears team they played against with REx at QB doesn't fit my criteria for big game performance. So he beat Devin Hester, woop dee doo
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2013 - 11:18 AM ET #55

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:


    You can take Bill Buckner off this list.  The 86 Red Sox never make it to the Playoffs, never mind the World Series, without Buckner.  Day-in, day-out, all summer long, this guy taped his legs up four hours before game time and always gave 110%.  Absolutely no choker here.

    I agree.  One bad play doesn't make a choker IMO.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:


    You can take Bill Buckner off this list.  The 86 Red Sox never make it to the Playoffs, never mind the World Series, without Buckner.  Day-in, day-out, all summer long, this guy taped his legs up four hours before game time and always gave 110%.  Absolutely no choker here.

    I agree.  One bad play doesn't make a choker IMO.  
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2013 - 11:19 AM ET #56

    Quote Originally Posted by be easy:

    the biggest choker in the history of sports, is Peyton Manning. Relative to his supposed skill set, the guy has lost every single big game he's ever had the chance to participate in.

    I agree.  Similar circumstances to A-Rod.  One great run or performance can't just wash away all of the other bad ones (especially since there were many).  
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    Quote Originally Posted by be easy:

    the biggest choker in the history of sports, is Peyton Manning. Relative to his supposed skill set, the guy has lost every single big game he's ever had the chance to participate in.

    I agree.  Similar circumstances to A-Rod.  One great run or performance can't just wash away all of the other bad ones (especially since there were many).  
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2013 - 12:59 PM ET #57

    Ronnie Harmon, the Bill's special teams, Scottie Reynolds from Villanova,  Phi Slamma Jamma,   Tom Niedenfuer, Jose Canseco.

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    Ronnie Harmon, the Bill's special teams, Scottie Reynolds from Villanova,  Phi Slamma Jamma,   Tom Niedenfuer, Jose Canseco.

     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2013 - 2:13 PM ET #58

    Peyton Manning
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    Peyton Manning
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2013 - 3:28 PM ET #59

    Quote Originally Posted by SteelCash:

    Peyton Manning

    Peyton has won the big dance which wipes out all of his previous/future choke jobs, Once you have climbed Everest you can fall off however many times you want after that imo.

    Hutch, Would you put Rory Mcilroy in this discussion? Wasn't this guy supposed to take the golf world by the scruff of the neck and become the next elite player during Tiger's dark period? Forget the masters choke job he doesn't seem to win anything now days or even be in contention. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelCash:

    Peyton Manning

    Peyton has won the big dance which wipes out all of his previous/future choke jobs, Once you have climbed Everest you can fall off however many times you want after that imo.

    Hutch, Would you put Rory Mcilroy in this discussion? Wasn't this guy supposed to take the golf world by the scruff of the neck and become the next elite player during Tiger's dark period? Forget the masters choke job he doesn't seem to win anything now days or even be in contention. 
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2013 - 4:56 PM ET #60

    Donvan McNabb!!!! - Nothing else to see.

    BTW although I am not a fan someone mentioned Brad Lidge. 
    You do realize he saved 48 out of 48 chances(perfect regular and post season) in 2008 when the Phillies won the World Series? 
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    Donvan McNabb!!!! - Nothing else to see.

    BTW although I am not a fan someone mentioned Brad Lidge. 
    You do realize he saved 48 out of 48 chances(perfect regular and post season) in 2008 when the Phillies won the World Series? 
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2013 - 4:57 PM ET #61

    Quote Originally Posted by ALLABOUTME:

    Donvan McNabb!!!! - Nothing else to say.

    BTW although I am not a fan someone mentioned Brad Lidge. 
    You do realize he saved 48 out of 48 chances(perfect regular and post season) in 2008 when the Phillies won the World Series? 

    Nothing else to say****
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    Quote Originally Posted by ALLABOUTME:

    Donvan McNabb!!!! - Nothing else to say.

    BTW although I am not a fan someone mentioned Brad Lidge. 
    You do realize he saved 48 out of 48 chances(perfect regular and post season) in 2008 when the Phillies won the World Series? 

    Nothing else to say****
     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2013 - 9:10 AM ET #62

    Quote Originally Posted by ALLABOUTME:

    Donvan McNabb!!!! - Nothing else to see.

    BTW although I am not a fan someone mentioned Brad Lidge. 
    You do realize he saved 48 out of 48 chances(perfect regular and post season) in 2008 when the Phillies won the World Series? 

    McNabb? 

    I was sitting in the the Linc on that 4th and 26 play Vs Packers--that was fairly clutch.  The guy also was the starting QB in 9 of the franchise's 19 playoff wins.

    I happen to know a good bunch of Bird fans that think Dawkins smallest moments were in the playoffs...other than the pick that Favre lobbed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALLABOUTME:

    Donvan McNabb!!!! - Nothing else to see.

    BTW although I am not a fan someone mentioned Brad Lidge. 
    You do realize he saved 48 out of 48 chances(perfect regular and post season) in 2008 when the Phillies won the World Series? 

    McNabb? 

    I was sitting in the the Linc on that 4th and 26 play Vs Packers--that was fairly clutch.  The guy also was the starting QB in 9 of the franchise's 19 playoff wins.

    I happen to know a good bunch of Bird fans that think Dawkins smallest moments were in the playoffs...other than the pick that Favre lobbed up.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ltbdubz5:

    McNabb? 

    I was sitting in the the Linc on that 4th and 26 play Vs Packers--that was fairly clutch.  The guy also was the starting QB in 9 of the franchise's 19 playoff wins.

    I happen to know a good bunch of Bird fans that think Dawkins smallest moments were in the playoffs...other than the pick that Favre lobbed up.


    Yes McNabb - 

    Here you go 

    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/112669-donovan-mcnabb-is-mr-choke-artist


    1-4 in NFC Championships games. 
    0-1 in Superbowls.

    BTW they were favored at home in 2 of those NFC Championship games that were L's



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    Quote Originally Posted by ltbdubz5:

    McNabb? 

    I was sitting in the the Linc on that 4th and 26 play Vs Packers--that was fairly clutch.  The guy also was the starting QB in 9 of the franchise's 19 playoff wins.

    I happen to know a good bunch of Bird fans that think Dawkins smallest moments were in the playoffs...other than the pick that Favre lobbed up.


    Yes McNabb - 

    Here you go 

    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/112669-donovan-mcnabb-is-mr-choke-artist


    1-4 in NFC Championships games. 
    0-1 in Superbowls.

    BTW they were favored at home in 2 of those NFC Championship games that were L's



     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2013 - 10:39 AM ET #64

    BTW I do think McNabb was very good QB in Philly and he had a great run for this city. I am not saying he was awful by any means. I am just stating when it came to the NFC Championship/Superbowl games we should of had at least 1 parade. The QB position is the most glorified in sports so of course he is to blame in my eyes when the Eagles came up empty over the last decade. Works both ways.

    to each their own.
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    BTW I do think McNabb was very good QB in Philly and he had a great run for this city. I am not saying he was awful by any means. I am just stating when it came to the NFC Championship/Superbowl games we should of had at least 1 parade. The QB position is the most glorified in sports so of course he is to blame in my eyes when the Eagles came up empty over the last decade. Works both ways.

    to each their own.
     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2013 - 12:01 PM ET #65

    Quote Originally Posted by ALLABOUTME:


    Yes McNabb - 

    Here you go 

    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/112669-donovan-mcnabb-is-mr-choke-artist


    1-4 in NFC Championships games. 
    0-1 in Superbowls.

    BTW they were favored at home in 2 of those NFC Championship games that were L's


    Mcnabb is the very poor man's Marino. I live right near Philly and my friends either love, or hate Mcnabb. It seems to me that the Eagles as a team choked in those losses, and Mcnabb receives most of the blame.

    Peyton Manning is a pretty good one, but winning the super bowl takes him off the list. He has had some pretty bad playoff games, especially early in his career.




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    Quote Originally Posted by ALLABOUTME:


    Yes McNabb - 

    Here you go 

    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/112669-donovan-mcnabb-is-mr-choke-artist


    1-4 in NFC Championships games. 
    0-1 in Superbowls.

    BTW they were favored at home in 2 of those NFC Championship games that were L's


    Mcnabb is the very poor man's Marino. I live right near Philly and my friends either love, or hate Mcnabb. It seems to me that the Eagles as a team choked in those losses, and Mcnabb receives most of the blame.

    Peyton Manning is a pretty good one, but winning the super bowl takes him off the list. He has had some pretty bad playoff games, especially early in his career.




     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2013 - 12:35 PM ET #66

    Negativvvvvve on the Patriots. Giants were a good team both years and Patriots were over hyped those years they were about equal.
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    Negativvvvvve on the Patriots. Giants were a good team both years and Patriots were over hyped those years they were about equal.
     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2013 - 12:43 PM ET #67

    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:


    I don't think you compete at that level and then say it's not a big deal when you can't get it done somewhat regularly.  Obviously, hes' not as obsessed with it as Mickelson was (before he won a major).

    As for the Mailman, he delivered in the playoffs (avg. of 25 and 11 and had some monster years).  His teams were the chokers IMO.

    Rivers is a good one.  Norman has to be there as well. 

    How 'bout Jim Kelly?

    Mitch Williams and Byung Hyun Kim come to mind as pitchers who had AWFUL world series.  





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    I don't think you compete at that level and then say it's not a big deal when you can't get it done somewhat regularly.  Obviously, hes' not as obsessed with it as Mickelson was (before he won a major).

    As for the Mailman, he delivered in the playoffs (avg. of 25 and 11 and had some monster years).  His teams were the chokers IMO.

    Rivers is a good one.  Norman has to be there as well. 

    How 'bout Jim Kelly?

    Mitch Williams and Byung Hyun Kim come to mind as pitchers who had AWFUL world series.  





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    Quote Originally Posted by ltbdubz5:

    McNabb? 

    I was sitting in the the Linc on that 4th and 26 play Vs Packers--that was fairly clutch.  The guy also was the starting QB in 9 of the franchise's 19 playoff wins.

    I happen to know a good bunch of Bird fans that think Dawkins smallest moments were in the playoffs...other than the pick that Favre lobbed up.

    i like the guy but in his 19 playoff games he had 17 int's which you could almost live with, but when you throw in the the 12 fumbles. yikes.
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    McNabb? 

    I was sitting in the the Linc on that 4th and 26 play Vs Packers--that was fairly clutch.  The guy also was the starting QB in 9 of the franchise's 19 playoff wins.

    I happen to know a good bunch of Bird fans that think Dawkins smallest moments were in the playoffs...other than the pick that Favre lobbed up.

    i like the guy but in his 19 playoff games he had 17 int's which you could almost live with, but when you throw in the the 12 fumbles. yikes.
     
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    Peyton has won the big dance which wipes out all of his previous/future choke jobs, Once you have climbed Everest you can fall off however many times you want after that imo.

    Hutch, Would you put Rory Mcilroy in this discussion? Wasn't this guy supposed to take the golf world by the scruff of the neck and become the next elite player during Tiger's dark period? Forget the masters choke job he doesn't seem to win anything now days or even be in contention. 

    I believe he is 24 and has a US Open and a PGA championship to his credit so..........

     

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    Peyton has won the big dance which wipes out all of his previous/future choke jobs, Once you have climbed Everest you can fall off however many times you want after that imo.

    Hutch, Would you put Rory Mcilroy in this discussion? Wasn't this guy supposed to take the golf world by the scruff of the neck and become the next elite player during Tiger's dark period? Forget the masters choke job he doesn't seem to win anything now days or even be in contention. 

    I believe he is 24 and has a US Open and a PGA championship to his credit so..........

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76:

    I believe he is 24 and has a US Open and a PGA championship to his credit so..........

     

    I know what you're getting at but he hasn't won the masters or the British open and remember when Tiger was in the midst of all his madness everyone in the golf world was tipping him to be the next dominant figure, Well? What happened? He has gone off the boil and Tiger has come back into form, Which I didn't think would happen what with the hype around how bad Tiger was at the time and how good Rory supposedly was.

    The only problem I have with defining choking in Tennis or Golf is that you can win some majors but fall short all the time in other majors, It's difficult to gauge. What you said is a bit like saying a tennis player is a choke artist because he keeps losing at the semi final stage of Wimbledon and in the U.S. Open but because he has won the Australian and at Roland Garros he can't be labelled a choker or a failure.

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    I believe he is 24 and has a US Open and a PGA championship to his credit so..........

     

    I know what you're getting at but he hasn't won the masters or the British open and remember when Tiger was in the midst of all his madness everyone in the golf world was tipping him to be the next dominant figure, Well? What happened? He has gone off the boil and Tiger has come back into form, Which I didn't think would happen what with the hype around how bad Tiger was at the time and how good Rory supposedly was.

    The only problem I have with defining choking in Tennis or Golf is that you can win some majors but fall short all the time in other majors, It's difficult to gauge. What you said is a bit like saying a tennis player is a choke artist because he keeps losing at the semi final stage of Wimbledon and in the U.S. Open but because he has won the Australian and at Roland Garros he can't be labelled a choker or a failure.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwishSwish1234:

    I know what you're getting at but he hasn't won the masters or the British open and remember when Tiger was in the midst of all his madness everyone in the golf world was tipping him to be the next dominant figure, Well? What happened? He has gone off the boil and Tiger has come back into form, Which I didn't think would happen what with the hype around how bad Tiger was at the time and how good Rory supposedly was.

    The only problem I have with defining choking in Tennis or Golf is that you can win some majors but fall short all the time in other majors, It's difficult to gauge. What you said is a bit like saying a tennis player is a choke artist because he keeps losing at the semi final stage of Wimbledon and in the U.S. Open but because he has won the Australian and at Roland Garros he can't be labelled a choker or a failure.

    Do you know how many people in the history of PGA have won all 4 Majors in their entire careers?  He is 24 and I am just guessing but he is not wired like Woods.  He might have a life outside of golf.  What makes, made Woods so good is that he is a fuc kin robot and clearly cared about nothing but winning tourneys.  Equipment change was dumb IMO but I guess you can never have to much money, give Rory a year and he will be winning Majors again.
    We should stop eating bananas.
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    I know what you're getting at but he hasn't won the masters or the British open and remember when Tiger was in the midst of all his madness everyone in the golf world was tipping him to be the next dominant figure, Well? What happened? He has gone off the boil and Tiger has come back into form, Which I didn't think would happen what with the hype around how bad Tiger was at the time and how good Rory supposedly was.

    The only problem I have with defining choking in Tennis or Golf is that you can win some majors but fall short all the time in other majors, It's difficult to gauge. What you said is a bit like saying a tennis player is a choke artist because he keeps losing at the semi final stage of Wimbledon and in the U.S. Open but because he has won the Australian and at Roland Garros he can't be labelled a choker or a failure.

    Do you know how many people in the history of PGA have won all 4 Majors in their entire careers?  He is 24 and I am just guessing but he is not wired like Woods.  He might have a life outside of golf.  What makes, made Woods so good is that he is a fuc kin robot and clearly cared about nothing but winning tourneys.  Equipment change was dumb IMO but I guess you can never have to much money, give Rory a year and he will be winning Majors again.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by be easy:

    the biggest choker in the history of sports, is Peyton Manning. Relative to his supposed skill set, the guy has lost every single big game he's ever had the chance to participate in.

    I agree... but I also think it is because he throws a bad ball and cant make every throw an NFL QB needs to make unlike his bro...


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    Quote Originally Posted by be easy:

    the biggest choker in the history of sports, is Peyton Manning. Relative to his supposed skill set, the guy has lost every single big game he's ever had the chance to participate in.

    I agree... but I also think it is because he throws a bad ball and cant make every throw an NFL QB needs to make unlike his bro...


     
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    also slim is getting pwned in the box again... you might want to rush in there to give him a "bail out"
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    also slim is getting pwned in the box again... you might want to rush in there to give him a "bail out"
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelCash:

    Peyton Manning

    9-11 playoff record says it all. Plays worse in playoffs. Year he won it it took huge D effort and rex grossman fumbled snap. His second trip to superbowl he licked ballsac 2nd half against saints.

    Last year sums it up perfect.....he had several possesions in OT to lead them down for field goal and finally folded over with a pic that gave ravens a field goal.

    Again he plays worse in playoffs, which is reason enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelCash:

    Peyton Manning

    9-11 playoff record says it all. Plays worse in playoffs. Year he won it it took huge D effort and rex grossman fumbled snap. His second trip to superbowl he licked ballsac 2nd half against saints.

    Last year sums it up perfect.....he had several possesions in OT to lead them down for field goal and finally folded over with a pic that gave ravens a field goal.

    Again he plays worse in playoffs, which is reason enough.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76:

    I believe he is 24 and has a US Open and a PGA championship to his credit so..........

     


    Rory is far from  choker. But we haven't seen him duke it out down the stretch either. Both majors were runaway wins. 

    Jim furyk is a choker. The us open he won was by a mile so no pressure. Last year he pissed away at least the us open with a share of the lead on Sunday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76:

    I believe he is 24 and has a US Open and a PGA championship to his credit so..........

     


    Rory is far from  choker. But we haven't seen him duke it out down the stretch either. Both majors were runaway wins. 

    Jim furyk is a choker. The us open he won was by a mile so no pressure. Last year he pissed away at least the us open with a share of the lead on Sunday.
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