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    claycourtlesson
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2008 - 5:13 AM ET #1

    Allow me the privelege of beginning the last thread for the month.
     
    FOMC day.......personally, am sitting this one out, since I think I've made money maybe twice in about 135 previous times trying to trade this day.
     
    Pretty obvious Scholar Ben will stay hidden in his Princeton Economics textbooks and do nothing today except try to "jawbone" up the value of the dollar by making murky statements about inflation.
     
    The US economy is horrendous right now, and it seems to be getting much worse with seemingly no end in sight for soaring oil prices, the constant threat of fighting in the middle east, credit strapped consumers (who are already under water, by the way) worrying about job security, no m/a activity, Bernanke threatening to raise rates, and no new inventions to kick start anything (don't want to hear about that iPhone/blackberry foolishness).
     
    Dismal.  End of story.
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    Allow me the privelege of beginning the last thread for the month.
     
    FOMC day.......personally, am sitting this one out, since I think I've made money maybe twice in about 135 previous times trying to trade this day.
     
    Pretty obvious Scholar Ben will stay hidden in his Princeton Economics textbooks and do nothing today except try to "jawbone" up the value of the dollar by making murky statements about inflation.
     
    The US economy is horrendous right now, and it seems to be getting much worse with seemingly no end in sight for soaring oil prices, the constant threat of fighting in the middle east, credit strapped consumers (who are already under water, by the way) worrying about job security, no m/a activity, Bernanke threatening to raise rates, and no new inventions to kick start anything (don't want to hear about that iPhone/blackberry foolishness).
     
    Dismal.  End of story.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2008 - 5:24 AM ET #2

     Hey CC

     Look on the bright side of things. Booze is in plentiful supply, so is the cash crop of whacky weed, and the FHA is still financing no down payment loans.So all is well in the world, and if you don't agree, there is change you can believe in coming your way, if you were born yesterday...

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     Hey CC

     Look on the bright side of things. Booze is in plentiful supply, so is the cash crop of whacky weed, and the FHA is still financing no down payment loans.So all is well in the world, and if you don't agree, there is change you can believe in coming your way, if you were born yesterday...

     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2008 - 5:43 AM ET #3

    Vermeer-
     
    Yeah, "oh to be young again" and born yesterday-----having a cheerful, unjaded outlook.
     
    Crock of sheet............
     
    Live in this world long enough, and it's inevitable all that "all is good" crap will get severely tainted.
     
    Ain't nearly enough dope/alcohol on this planet to convince me to be "investing for the long term" now.
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    Vermeer-
     
    Yeah, "oh to be young again" and born yesterday-----having a cheerful, unjaded outlook.
     
    Crock of sheet............
     
    Live in this world long enough, and it's inevitable all that "all is good" crap will get severely tainted.
     
    Ain't nearly enough dope/alcohol on this planet to convince me to be "investing for the long term" now.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2008 - 5:47 AM ET #4

    Been betting any tennis lately, Vermeer?
     
    Just looked at the lines in Big W today over at 5 Dimes, and they're about as dismal as the US economy.  I see no value anywhere on either dogs or faves.  Looks like a day to sit out....just like FOMC.
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    Been betting any tennis lately, Vermeer?
     
    Just looked at the lines in Big W today over at 5 Dimes, and they're about as dismal as the US economy.  I see no value anywhere on either dogs or faves.  Looks like a day to sit out....just like FOMC.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2008 - 7:42 AM ET #5


     Yup cashed on all faves...wish I had taken the dog against Davydenko, as playing on clay (as he did) before the tourney is hardly a sign of wanting to be in London.

     Like you, I see no value out there today, been looking pretty hard, but nothing readily comes to mind on either men's or women's side...

    Hang in there...

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     Yup cashed on all faves...wish I had taken the dog against Davydenko, as playing on clay (as he did) before the tourney is hardly a sign of wanting to be in London.

     Like you, I see no value out there today, been looking pretty hard, but nothing readily comes to mind on either men's or women's side...

    Hang in there...

     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2008 - 7:48 AM ET #6


     PS

      I like the inverse funds (as you know) especially SKF and I also am long DOG and also DXD. (@60 and 48 respectively). Sell in May and go away baby.Although I did buy more DRYS yesterday...

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      I like the inverse funds (as you know) especially SKF and I also am long DOG and also DXD. (@60 and 48 respectively). Sell in May and go away baby.Although I did buy more DRYS yesterday...

     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2008 - 9:03 AM ET #7

    Sounds good, Vermeer.
     
    Just going to sit today out, cause whatever I do today will be wrong.
     
    I do think, however, that the overall market is oversold and due for some sort of short covering rally that will be led by the demolished financials, as basically smart money shorts take money off the table.
     
    Then, some idiot(s) will get on TV and start blabbing about how "the worst is over"------just like in March.  The SP 500 will rise for a while, then it will be time to short again.
     
    The million dollar question is what day, what time.
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    Sounds good, Vermeer.
     
    Just going to sit today out, cause whatever I do today will be wrong.
     
    I do think, however, that the overall market is oversold and due for some sort of short covering rally that will be led by the demolished financials, as basically smart money shorts take money off the table.
     
    Then, some idiot(s) will get on TV and start blabbing about how "the worst is over"------just like in March.  The SP 500 will rise for a while, then it will be time to short again.
     
    The million dollar question is what day, what time.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2008 - 9:04 AM ET #8

    The two cent answer is "I'm hoping to figure it out."
     
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    The two cent answer is "I'm hoping to figure it out."
     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2008 - 1:30 PM ET #9


      They can try to gin up some BS rally, but to me there are far too many negatives in play to have it really do much for the overall market.

    Any rally will be a bear market rally, which can be pretty sharp, but are like thunderstorms, violent but short lived.
     
      Far too many re-sets yet to come, home values will continue to fall, and employment is not heading anywhere but south.

     Saudis may pretend to be able to raise production, but won't, and Paulson will talk about the need for a strong dollar, but the dollar is rightly weak and will remain so.Or so I see it. Who knows.I took profits, cashed out for the most part, and am happy to be mainly on the sidelines, with bearish bets in the black, SKF remaining a money ride.

      Presidential candidates are both fools, so of course anyone expecting solutions from DC is delusional in the extreme.Or else, like Al Gore, already positioned to profit from mandated pseudo "green" policies.


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      They can try to gin up some BS rally, but to me there are far too many negatives in play to have it really do much for the overall market.

    Any rally will be a bear market rally, which can be pretty sharp, but are like thunderstorms, violent but short lived.
     
      Far too many re-sets yet to come, home values will continue to fall, and employment is not heading anywhere but south.

     Saudis may pretend to be able to raise production, but won't, and Paulson will talk about the need for a strong dollar, but the dollar is rightly weak and will remain so.Or so I see it. Who knows.I took profits, cashed out for the most part, and am happy to be mainly on the sidelines, with bearish bets in the black, SKF remaining a money ride.

      Presidential candidates are both fools, so of course anyone expecting solutions from DC is delusional in the extreme.Or else, like Al Gore, already positioned to profit from mandated pseudo "green" policies.


     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2008 - 1:37 PM ET #10

    Grinder,

    IMB sure is on a death march..every single day they sell it 5-10%

    The chart is telling me BK, but I guess I ride it down and take my hit now that I waited this long.

    CRDC has been slumping the last few days too..on low volume but the lack of follow through was expected and a pisser.  
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    Grinder,

    IMB sure is on a death march..every single day they sell it 5-10%

    The chart is telling me BK, but I guess I ride it down and take my hit now that I waited this long.

    CRDC has been slumping the last few days too..on low volume but the lack of follow through was expected and a pisser.  
     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2008 - 3:27 PM ET #11

    Multi reverses..all over the place after the announcement.

    Up 20, up 110, up 40.

    Summer trading is fantastic.


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    Multi reverses..all over the place after the announcement.

    Up 20, up 110, up 40.

    Summer trading is fantastic.


     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2008 - 3:55 PM ET #12

    Manipulators having an absolute field day out there just trashing and bashing stops willy nilly.
     
    Criminal activity at its finest.
     
    Precisely why I don't mess with FOMC day.  No way possible for a retail "little guy" to not get slaughtered trying to "trade" these shenanigans.
     
    FOMC day is for crime syndicates (I mean "investment houses") only.
     
    In any event, the case remains the same.  There is no answer for soaring oil, the mid east is a powder keg, the credit mess is getting worse and worse, and world leadership is void of sanity.
     
    Maybe there'll be a "trading opportunity" the next week or so.  But it's just that........a "trade."  Get in, get money, bail your sorry ass out before the manipulators decide to string you up and teach you a lesson.
     
    Time to start drinking..............
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    Manipulators having an absolute field day out there just trashing and bashing stops willy nilly.
     
    Criminal activity at its finest.
     
    Precisely why I don't mess with FOMC day.  No way possible for a retail "little guy" to not get slaughtered trying to "trade" these shenanigans.
     
    FOMC day is for crime syndicates (I mean "investment houses") only.
     
    In any event, the case remains the same.  There is no answer for soaring oil, the mid east is a powder keg, the credit mess is getting worse and worse, and world leadership is void of sanity.
     
    Maybe there'll be a "trading opportunity" the next week or so.  But it's just that........a "trade."  Get in, get money, bail your sorry ass out before the manipulators decide to string you up and teach you a lesson.
     
    Time to start drinking..............
     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2008 - 4:13 PM ET #13

    RIMM down about 10% in extended hours after reporting.
     
    This is another deal where you'll get killed unless you have the ability to cheat.
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    RIMM down about 10% in extended hours after reporting.
     
    This is another deal where you'll get killed unless you have the ability to cheat.
     
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    RIMM job
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2008 - 9:55 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Grinder,

    IMB sure is on a death march..every single day they sell it 5-10%

    The chart is telling me BK, but I guess I ride it down and take my hit now that I waited this long.

    CRDC has been slumping the last few days too..on low volume but the lack of follow through was expected and a pisser.  

    IMB pos, even after all those calls im in to lose 10k.  doesn't bother me much anymore, I already figured in bk emotionally.  I'm hoping for monster rally in DRYS sept 90's, im doing well on them (only 2 but in at 4.90).  Recently bought a 1000 shares of lcc (i specialize in co's about to go bk lol) bought at 2.45 the other day and sold 10 calls today at .50 so it looks okay so far.  IGT killing me too.....yada yada yada.  For some reason I still cant get enough.  A true degenerate I am.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Grinder,

    IMB sure is on a death march..every single day they sell it 5-10%

    The chart is telling me BK, but I guess I ride it down and take my hit now that I waited this long.

    CRDC has been slumping the last few days too..on low volume but the lack of follow through was expected and a pisser.  

    IMB pos, even after all those calls im in to lose 10k.  doesn't bother me much anymore, I already figured in bk emotionally.  I'm hoping for monster rally in DRYS sept 90's, im doing well on them (only 2 but in at 4.90).  Recently bought a 1000 shares of lcc (i specialize in co's about to go bk lol) bought at 2.45 the other day and sold 10 calls today at .50 so it looks okay so far.  IGT killing me too.....yada yada yada.  For some reason I still cant get enough.  A true degenerate I am.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2008 - 10:34 PM ET #16

    Grinder,

    They have been KICKING the Vegas stocks..did the same thing after 9/11.

    Long term chart breaking down, I see strong support in the 25's, but longer term you dont sell the stock if you have already crossed the sell stop area and let it go further.

    LCC, I like the odds on that one..they are a huge carrier but could go back into BK and return like Delta did recently.

    I have my DRYS Sept options and Jan 10 options. They are not pricing any bit of the OR portion of business..man is that going to be an awesome spinoff, the sucker is going to generate some serious stable cash flow for years.

    The price action and chart are telling me about IMB even though I dont believe it. They have an S&L business, loan servicing and reverse mortgage businesses,  but the market is talking and I guess I will go down like you.
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    Grinder,

    They have been KICKING the Vegas stocks..did the same thing after 9/11.

    Long term chart breaking down, I see strong support in the 25's, but longer term you dont sell the stock if you have already crossed the sell stop area and let it go further.

    LCC, I like the odds on that one..they are a huge carrier but could go back into BK and return like Delta did recently.

    I have my DRYS Sept options and Jan 10 options. They are not pricing any bit of the OR portion of business..man is that going to be an awesome spinoff, the sucker is going to generate some serious stable cash flow for years.

    The price action and chart are telling me about IMB even though I dont believe it. They have an S&L business, loan servicing and reverse mortgage businesses,  but the market is talking and I guess I will go down like you.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2008 - 1:37 PM ET #17

    Grinder,

    And as expected they break the buck. Hedgies and pennies are taking this one down..huge sellers on every cent down, positively not retail sellers or fund sellers.
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    And as expected they break the buck. Hedgies and pennies are taking this one down..huge sellers on every cent down, positively not retail sellers or fund sellers.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2008 - 3:54 PM ET #18

    Is IMB worthless yet? 
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    Is IMB worthless yet? 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2008 - 4:23 PM ET #19

    if you guys need to own a financial, get HCBK

    ceo is a rockstar

    and they only lend money to people who dont need it..no subprime, no alt-a, no bullshit
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    if you guys need to own a financial, get HCBK

    ceo is a rockstar

    and they only lend money to people who dont need it..no subprime, no alt-a, no bullshit
     
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2008 - 6:08 PM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:

    Is IMB worthless yet? 


    The market sure is pricing it so.

    I will keep scratching my head and let the market ride it down.

    When you see a NYSE stock trade on 4 decimal points below the buck, you know it isnt retail trading..the penny boys are trying to tear it apart.

    I have lost more on better stocks than this..i am going to ride it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:

    Is IMB worthless yet? 


    The market sure is pricing it so.

    I will keep scratching my head and let the market ride it down.

    When you see a NYSE stock trade on 4 decimal points below the buck, you know it isnt retail trading..the penny boys are trying to tear it apart.

    I have lost more on better stocks than this..i am going to ride it out.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2008 - 6:12 PM ET #21

    Koaj,

    Where is the upside on that stock? The divi is pathetic for a bank stock. If I want safe in the market I will buy a CD or a muni bond.

    I dont see anything exciting with that stock.

    If I want safe in a bank stock I would go with PNC who has very little exposure and has double the divi that your bank has.
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    Koaj,

    Where is the upside on that stock? The divi is pathetic for a bank stock. If I want safe in the market I will buy a CD or a muni bond.

    I dont see anything exciting with that stock.

    If I want safe in a bank stock I would go with PNC who has very little exposure and has double the divi that your bank has.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2008 - 6:44 PM ET #22

    Broad market is very technically oversold.
     
    And everyone knows I'm bearish as hell for the long run future.
     
    But, I am about one thing.........money.  Cold hard cash money.
     
    Therefore, I am getting very interested in buying SPY long for a trade.  And no......I'm not doing this crappola:
    1) "Dipping toe in water."
    2) "Nibbling."
     
    No, I am going to trade this sucker and buy it hard.....just don't know when, but it's coming.  All about the Benjamins.
     
    Have a great night everyone.
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    Broad market is very technically oversold.
     
    And everyone knows I'm bearish as hell for the long run future.
     
    But, I am about one thing.........money.  Cold hard cash money.
     
    Therefore, I am getting very interested in buying SPY long for a trade.  And no......I'm not doing this crappola:
    1) "Dipping toe in water."
    2) "Nibbling."
     
    No, I am going to trade this sucker and buy it hard.....just don't know when, but it's coming.  All about the Benjamins.
     
    Have a great night everyone.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2008 - 7:58 PM ET #23

    Went VERY long (for me) on SPY calls this afternoon.  This fucker is due for a sharp bounce.
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    Went VERY long (for me) on SPY calls this afternoon.  This fucker is due for a sharp bounce.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2008 - 8:53 PM ET #24

    Hmmmm,

     I see nothing that has materially changed in the week that represents good news.In fact, if anything, while the market may be a leading indicator, in general, I think this market is just now really getting the idea that plenty of average Americans have known for quite some time:this economy is in deep trouble. It will remain so.
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    Hmmmm,

     I see nothing that has materially changed in the week that represents good news.In fact, if anything, while the market may be a leading indicator, in general, I think this market is just now really getting the idea that plenty of average Americans have known for quite some time:this economy is in deep trouble. It will remain so.
     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2008 - 9:14 PM ET #25

    the sky is falling......and I will strike when the pessimist are in full bloom.....and make money on the hype.....keep running for cover
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    the sky is falling......and I will strike when the pessimist are in full bloom.....and make money on the hype.....keep running for cover
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