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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2008 - 2:16 AM ET #1

    I am familiar with stocks but recently ran into a customer of mine and he was saying that he was have good success with option (maybe bullshit). I am not to familiar with options and am interested in looking into it. Any opinions, recommendations, info on where to get some education on this. How do you guys feel about option. Any input would be of great help. Thanks for the time!
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    I am familiar with stocks but recently ran into a customer of mine and he was saying that he was have good success with option (maybe bullshit). I am not to familiar with options and am interested in looking into it. Any opinions, recommendations, info on where to get some education on this. How do you guys feel about option. Any input would be of great help. Thanks for the time!
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2008 - 8:30 AM ET #2

    I spent a few months reading anything I could to learn about them and just watching on a daily basis.  Yes you can make money, however, most options end up worthless, as in zero dollars of value.

    Check the usual places for info, investopedia, etc and there is a thread on here from May I think that I started when I had a few questions.

    Definately not something I would recommend for most people
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    I spent a few months reading anything I could to learn about them and just watching on a daily basis.  Yes you can make money, however, most options end up worthless, as in zero dollars of value.

    Check the usual places for info, investopedia, etc and there is a thread on here from May I think that I started when I had a few questions.

    Definately not something I would recommend for most people
     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2008 - 10:27 AM ET #3

    I only trade options.  Any stock I own is collared with options.  IMO its the only way to trade.  Stock by itself costs way too much and offers no leverage.  I have plenty of educations sites that I use.  I don't want to get in trouble for posting links.  If you want to post your email on your space and shoot me a comment I'll hit you up.
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    I only trade options.  Any stock I own is collared with options.  IMO its the only way to trade.  Stock by itself costs way too much and offers no leverage.  I have plenty of educations sites that I use.  I don't want to get in trouble for posting links.  If you want to post your email on your space and shoot me a comment I'll hit you up.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2008 - 11:01 AM ET #4

    djvox,

    If they are just investment related links it is fine..no affiliate spamming or other sports types of sites.


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    djvox,

    If they are just investment related links it is fine..no affiliate spamming or other sports types of sites.


     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2008 - 11:45 AM ET #5

    Here is my take on options.
     
    The deep in the moneys (puts or calls) are decent for leverage purposes, and any fool with a 3rd grade education can price them.
     
    No one on the planet can give anything close to an accurate model on "at/near money" pricing in the same month.  Why? Cause the market makers jimmy the prices based on current monentum.  Therefore, at/near money options should only be used for naked selling or covered writing, period.
     
    Buy common or short common.  That is the best way to go.  And if you're going to hedge those common, then hedge with deep in the moneys.
     
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    Here is my take on options.
     
    The deep in the moneys (puts or calls) are decent for leverage purposes, and any fool with a 3rd grade education can price them.
     
    No one on the planet can give anything close to an accurate model on "at/near money" pricing in the same month.  Why? Cause the market makers jimmy the prices based on current monentum.  Therefore, at/near money options should only be used for naked selling or covered writing, period.
     
    Buy common or short common.  That is the best way to go.  And if you're going to hedge those common, then hedge with deep in the moneys.
     
    Cheers
     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2008 - 11:55 AM ET #6

    another arsenal fan... i like it.  i also just noticed another poster on the GD that is gunners28 or something
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    another arsenal fan... i like it.  i also just noticed another poster on the GD that is gunners28 or something
     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2008 - 2:17 PM ET #7

    Sorry claycourt.  I would have to disagree with that.  If your broker can't give you proper ATM option prices then find another broker.  And if you don't understand IV (implied volatility) of ATM front month options then just study up.  It does take some education and experience to get comfortable with some of the concepts.  But to say no one on the planet can price them is just incorrect.

     

    Deep ITM options are easy cause their delta is pretty much 1.00.  This means they move just like the stock.  So if your stock makes a dollar then so will the option.

     

    Selling naked options is one of the most risky strategies you can do.  I would only recommend this to very advanced traders in unique situational trades.  I would also not recommend cover calls either.  This is a very poor strategy that your miss-informed broker might suggest only because it's the extent of his option knowledge.  A covered call is a synthetic naked put.  Their risk graphs are the same.  It gives you limited reward and unlimited risk.  Sounds like a losing combo if you ask me.

     

    I would not hedge with deep ITM either.  You will be paying a massive amount of money for your hedge.  If you own a 100 dollar stock you should be looking to hedge with somewhere between 85-95 puts depending on current IV and pricing of the front month options.  This is call a married put and is a great strategy if learned correct.  Your risk say with the 90 put is now $10.  The thing to remember is as your stock rallies you need to roll your puts up to keep the insurance floor in place.

     

    Education links I use and recommend.

     

    www.optionetics.com

    www.profitstrategies.com

    www.redoption.com

    www.thinkorswim.com

    www.investools.com

    www.randomwalktrading.com

     

    Oh and yes, COME ON YOU GOONERS!  Season kicks of next tuesday!

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    Sorry claycourt.  I would have to disagree with that.  If your broker can't give you proper ATM option prices then find another broker.  And if you don't understand IV (implied volatility) of ATM front month options then just study up.  It does take some education and experience to get comfortable with some of the concepts.  But to say no one on the planet can price them is just incorrect.

     

    Deep ITM options are easy cause their delta is pretty much 1.00.  This means they move just like the stock.  So if your stock makes a dollar then so will the option.

     

    Selling naked options is one of the most risky strategies you can do.  I would only recommend this to very advanced traders in unique situational trades.  I would also not recommend cover calls either.  This is a very poor strategy that your miss-informed broker might suggest only because it's the extent of his option knowledge.  A covered call is a synthetic naked put.  Their risk graphs are the same.  It gives you limited reward and unlimited risk.  Sounds like a losing combo if you ask me.

     

    I would not hedge with deep ITM either.  You will be paying a massive amount of money for your hedge.  If you own a 100 dollar stock you should be looking to hedge with somewhere between 85-95 puts depending on current IV and pricing of the front month options.  This is call a married put and is a great strategy if learned correct.  Your risk say with the 90 put is now $10.  The thing to remember is as your stock rallies you need to roll your puts up to keep the insurance floor in place.

     

    Education links I use and recommend.

     

    www.optionetics.com

    www.profitstrategies.com

    www.redoption.com

    www.thinkorswim.com

    www.investools.com

    www.randomwalktrading.com

     

    Oh and yes, COME ON YOU GOONERS!  Season kicks of next tuesday!

     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2008 - 2:23 PM ET #8

    djVox,

    Good post.

    How about you share what you feel is the strategy you use, give some examples and trades you make. I am quite sure that plenty of people would find what you post very interesting and the group here is open to everyone.
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    djVox,

    Good post.

    How about you share what you feel is the strategy you use, give some examples and trades you make. I am quite sure that plenty of people would find what you post very interesting and the group here is open to everyone.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2008 - 3:18 PM ET #9

    dj........no offense, but
     
    yeah, man,  no one can give an accurate pricing  model.
     
    maybe you don't ever feel  this cause you play with small size contracts, but a fractional shave off a price can hurt you really badly.
     
    the pricing on these is too arbitrary, so best of luck shooting in the dark.
     
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    dj........no offense, but
     
    yeah, man,  no one can give an accurate pricing  model.
     
    maybe you don't ever feel  this cause you play with small size contracts, but a fractional shave off a price can hurt you really badly.
     
    the pricing on these is too arbitrary, so best of luck shooting in the dark.
     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2008 - 3:31 PM ET #10

    Thanks.  Well if you are new and just starting out I would keep it simple.  Start with buying just calls and puts and trading vertical spreads.  A vertical is buying one strike and selling another strike.  Example...

     

    You are bullish on SPY currently trading around 127.  You could buy the 130 calls and sell the 135 calls.  This would be called a bull call spread.

     

    I would recommend getting a good understanding of vertical spreads as soon as possible.  One of the great things about them is that you are hedged against volatility.  See as IV rises the options get more expensive.  So this is good for sellers but bad for buyers.  If you buy just a single call or put when IV is high and during your trade IV decreases, then the stock could move in your direction yet your option could not make any money, or worse could lose money.  This can be very confusing and frustrating for a new trader to the options market.  So if you buy and sell options in a spread format you are both a buyer and a seller and IV does not affect you as much.  It is still something to be aware of but not as much.  When I find an opportunity and see that IV is not low then I will look to put on a spread even if a single call or put has a better risk to reward.  I avoid IV krush at all costs.

     

    Next I would tell you to get some tools!  Good options analysis software will be key in comparing and deciding which options to buy.  It can be tough picking the right strike and right month to get the most money out of a move you believe will happen with the stock.

     

    And from there you can progress to more complex strategies.  You got Iron Condors and ratio back spreads and broken-wing butterflies.  For new options traders these can seem crazy sounding.  What they really are, are just different ways to arrange vertical spreads and combine different months.

     

    Keep it simple to start and always continue your education.  I am by no means a professional trader "yet."  I work at it everyday.  So I'm always up for talking shop.

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    Thanks.  Well if you are new and just starting out I would keep it simple.  Start with buying just calls and puts and trading vertical spreads.  A vertical is buying one strike and selling another strike.  Example...

     

    You are bullish on SPY currently trading around 127.  You could buy the 130 calls and sell the 135 calls.  This would be called a bull call spread.

     

    I would recommend getting a good understanding of vertical spreads as soon as possible.  One of the great things about them is that you are hedged against volatility.  See as IV rises the options get more expensive.  So this is good for sellers but bad for buyers.  If you buy just a single call or put when IV is high and during your trade IV decreases, then the stock could move in your direction yet your option could not make any money, or worse could lose money.  This can be very confusing and frustrating for a new trader to the options market.  So if you buy and sell options in a spread format you are both a buyer and a seller and IV does not affect you as much.  It is still something to be aware of but not as much.  When I find an opportunity and see that IV is not low then I will look to put on a spread even if a single call or put has a better risk to reward.  I avoid IV krush at all costs.

     

    Next I would tell you to get some tools!  Good options analysis software will be key in comparing and deciding which options to buy.  It can be tough picking the right strike and right month to get the most money out of a move you believe will happen with the stock.

     

    And from there you can progress to more complex strategies.  You got Iron Condors and ratio back spreads and broken-wing butterflies.  For new options traders these can seem crazy sounding.  What they really are, are just different ways to arrange vertical spreads and combine different months.

     

    Keep it simple to start and always continue your education.  I am by no means a professional trader "yet."  I work at it everyday.  So I'm always up for talking shop.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2008 - 3:36 PM ET #11

    Yes Clay, slippage is a major concern when entering a trade and should be factored in to the risk of your trade just like commissions.  A good trader will always look at the risk first.  If you are finding very wide spreads on the options you want to trade that would suggest to me the product you are trading does not have liquid options.  Some products are very liquid like SPY.  They have penny wide bid/asks.  Other options have spreads you can drive a truck through.  These I would avoid.
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    Yes Clay, slippage is a major concern when entering a trade and should be factored in to the risk of your trade just like commissions.  A good trader will always look at the risk first.  If you are finding very wide spreads on the options you want to trade that would suggest to me the product you are trading does not have liquid options.  Some products are very liquid like SPY.  They have penny wide bid/asks.  Other options have spreads you can drive a truck through.  These I would avoid.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2008 - 3:53 PM ET #12

    djVox,

    I doubt too many posters here have Level III access for options, meaning spreads and selling uncovered.

    Which sites do you feel give the best tools and the best definitions to those who might need more detailed instruction?
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    djVox,

    I doubt too many posters here have Level III access for options, meaning spreads and selling uncovered.

    Which sites do you feel give the best tools and the best definitions to those who might need more detailed instruction?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2008 - 4:23 PM ET #13

    That's what's good about this room here.
     
    We can disagree in a civil manner without acting childish.
     
    Look it, if you like options and trading them, and it works for you, then more power to you.  Personally,  I 100% believe that the slippage and chicanery of market makers will erode potential gains that the trader/investor/gambler/whatever could get by just using the same disciplined strategy with buying or shorting the common.
     
    Also, I am not sure on this...............but can options positions be closed out after hours?  As well, does the option market open at the exact same time as the common does every trading morning?  To me, you got to be able to have both barrels fully loaded to play this game, and nothing can ever be left to chance.
     
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    That's what's good about this room here.
     
    We can disagree in a civil manner without acting childish.
     
    Look it, if you like options and trading them, and it works for you, then more power to you.  Personally,  I 100% believe that the slippage and chicanery of market makers will erode potential gains that the trader/investor/gambler/whatever could get by just using the same disciplined strategy with buying or shorting the common.
     
    Also, I am not sure on this...............but can options positions be closed out after hours?  As well, does the option market open at the exact same time as the common does every trading morning?  To me, you got to be able to have both barrels fully loaded to play this game, and nothing can ever be left to chance.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2008 - 4:25 PM ET #14

    If your broker makes you jump through hoops to get access to trade spreads, get another broker.  Uncovered is another case, but spreads are bread & butter.  I would look for an options broker to start with.  The big box retail brokers are the ones that make you get these access levels.  They are also the ones with the platforms not streamlined for options.  If you have ever tried to trade options on ameritrade or schawb then you know what I'm talking about.  Hell on those platforms they make you type in the ID code for the option.  Thats like being in the checkout line and having to read the upc bar codes.
     
    You want a broker that understands what you are doing as well as having the tools to do it quick and easy.  The number one tool I would recommend is the platform that Think or Swim offers.  They are my broker.  And their platform is FREE!  It is jam packed with tools for option and stock analysis.  Risk graphs, backtesting, two different charting programs, live cnbc feed.  The list of features that it has is way too long to post, but you can download it in a fully fuctional paper or live desktop program.  Not many brokers are going to give you ALL of their tools without sending them some money.  Even if you place your trades with a different broker, I would have the TOS program as a tool.
     
    If you are looking for basic info to get started learning about the wide world of options.  Think or Swim and Red option (sister companies) have free reading resources on their site and well as free seminars!  Go to optionplanet.com to see the list of upcoming cities.
     
    For the more serious student I would look at becoming a member of optionetics.  There is lots of free info on their site and profitstrategies (sister companies) especially on their message boards.  But their seminars (which are not free) are excellent if you want to really become a professional trader.
     
     
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    If your broker makes you jump through hoops to get access to trade spreads, get another broker.  Uncovered is another case, but spreads are bread & butter.  I would look for an options broker to start with.  The big box retail brokers are the ones that make you get these access levels.  They are also the ones with the platforms not streamlined for options.  If you have ever tried to trade options on ameritrade or schawb then you know what I'm talking about.  Hell on those platforms they make you type in the ID code for the option.  Thats like being in the checkout line and having to read the upc bar codes.
     
    You want a broker that understands what you are doing as well as having the tools to do it quick and easy.  The number one tool I would recommend is the platform that Think or Swim offers.  They are my broker.  And their platform is FREE!  It is jam packed with tools for option and stock analysis.  Risk graphs, backtesting, two different charting programs, live cnbc feed.  The list of features that it has is way too long to post, but you can download it in a fully fuctional paper or live desktop program.  Not many brokers are going to give you ALL of their tools without sending them some money.  Even if you place your trades with a different broker, I would have the TOS program as a tool.
     
    If you are looking for basic info to get started learning about the wide world of options.  Think or Swim and Red option (sister companies) have free reading resources on their site and well as free seminars!  Go to optionplanet.com to see the list of upcoming cities.
     
    For the more serious student I would look at becoming a member of optionetics.  There is lots of free info on their site and profitstrategies (sister companies) especially on their message boards.  But their seminars (which are not free) are excellent if you want to really become a professional trader.
     
     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2008 - 4:33 PM ET #15

    Claycourt, I agree 100% on the civil manner!  Respect of opinion is always important.
     
    Options cannot be traded afterhours.  At least to the best of my knowlege they can't.  They are open 9:30 to 4:00 EST monday-friday. I agree with you that market makers are there to make a buck.  But they also provide liquidity.  Its the cost of doing business in this industry.  I am very aggressive on my entries because I don't want to give the maker a penny more than I have to.  But if you excute and find good trades I find that the profits dwarf what you have to give up on the spread to the market maker.
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    Claycourt, I agree 100% on the civil manner!  Respect of opinion is always important.
     
    Options cannot be traded afterhours.  At least to the best of my knowlege they can't.  They are open 9:30 to 4:00 EST monday-friday. I agree with you that market makers are there to make a buck.  But they also provide liquidity.  Its the cost of doing business in this industry.  I am very aggressive on my entries because I don't want to give the maker a penny more than I have to.  But if you excute and find good trades I find that the profits dwarf what you have to give up on the spread to the market maker.
     
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    djVox,

    You right concerning the big box comments..getting options trades done are not easy and forget about getting streaming charts on options using nearly any big broker.

    CC is right to a point and you have to agree with his thinking..liquidity with options contracts are a joke unless you are trading a MONSTER volume stock and are near the current price relative to the option.

    I havent looked into this but I heard options MMs were whining and threatening liquidity pull when they were possibly going to be stopped from selling uncovered..

    I enjoy options quite a bit and use them regularly, our site could use more conversation regarding options and I particularly enjoy talking about strategy and trades, so I welcome your comments and participation.
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    djVox,

    You right concerning the big box comments..getting options trades done are not easy and forget about getting streaming charts on options using nearly any big broker.

    CC is right to a point and you have to agree with his thinking..liquidity with options contracts are a joke unless you are trading a MONSTER volume stock and are near the current price relative to the option.

    I havent looked into this but I heard options MMs were whining and threatening liquidity pull when they were possibly going to be stopped from selling uncovered..

    I enjoy options quite a bit and use them regularly, our site could use more conversation regarding options and I particularly enjoy talking about strategy and trades, so I welcome your comments and participation.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2008 - 4:35 PM ET #17

    Oh and no options are not able to be traded after market hours. At a point I thought that they ran to 4:15 and maybe they do..but no options in AH trading.
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    Oh and no options are not able to be traded after market hours. At a point I thought that they ran to 4:15 and maybe they do..but no options in AH trading.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2008 - 4:40 PM ET #18

    I believe DIA and maybe a few other trade till 4:15 but their options still cloase at 4:00.
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    I believe DIA and maybe a few other trade till 4:15 but their options still cloase at 4:00.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2008 - 3:56 AM ET #19

    I thank everyone for the input. 

    DJ if you were a beginner and were starting from scratch what you start with? Any books, websites, articles etc.??? I want to try this out. 
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    I thank everyone for the input. 

    DJ if you were a beginner and were starting from scratch what you start with? Any books, websites, articles etc.??? I want to try this out. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2008 - 9:51 AM ET #20

    The link below will take you to the options school section on think or swim.
    https://www.thinkorswim.com/tos/displayPage.tos?webpage=trainingProducts
     
    This one will take you two the eduction tab on optionetics.
    https://www.optionetics.com/education/
     
    And this one is for something new.  Optionetics is offering 2 free 60min starter webinars.  Might be a good introduction.
    https://starter.optionetics.com/instantcredit/registration.asp?source=srsic-opt2&utm_source=optioneticshomepage&utm_medium=webad&utm_campaign=srsic-opt2
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    The link below will take you to the options school section on think or swim.
    https://www.thinkorswim.com/tos/displayPage.tos?webpage=trainingProducts
     
    This one will take you two the eduction tab on optionetics.
    https://www.optionetics.com/education/
     
    And this one is for something new.  Optionetics is offering 2 free 60min starter webinars.  Might be a good introduction.
    https://starter.optionetics.com/instantcredit/registration.asp?source=srsic-opt2&utm_source=optioneticshomepage&utm_medium=webad&utm_campaign=srsic-opt2
     
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    I have to say that back in the DAY when I learned options, it took me a good year of study, paper trading and observation before I got it on how it worked and learning the proper strategy.

    To that credit when I took the Series 7, the options section was my highest scoring section, I think I got a 96 or 97 percent which meant I missed one Q.
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    I have to say that back in the DAY when I learned options, it took me a good year of study, paper trading and observation before I got it on how it worked and learning the proper strategy.

    To that credit when I took the Series 7, the options section was my highest scoring section, I think I got a 96 or 97 percent which meant I missed one Q.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2008 - 1:19 PM ET #22

    I would agree with wallstreet.  I good solid year of study just to get basic understandings and simple trades under your belt.  But thats just the start.  Learning how to roll and make trade adjustments will be where the real money is made.  This is not a weekend study course.  It's a profession.  Be honest with yourself about how much time and commitment you are willing to give.
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    I would agree with wallstreet.  I good solid year of study just to get basic understandings and simple trades under your belt.  But thats just the start.  Learning how to roll and make trade adjustments will be where the real money is made.  This is not a weekend study course.  It's a profession.  Be honest with yourself about how much time and commitment you are willing to give.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2008 - 7:20 PM ET #23

    Thanks I appreciate it. DJVOX/Wallstreet you guys are great
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    Thanks I appreciate it. DJVOX/Wallstreet you guys are great
     
     
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    DJ vox Have you ever heard of Optionvue. Check them out at www.optionvue.com They have by far the best software in the industry.They have been around for 25 years and thats because the software is like no other.It does cost around $3,500 but it is the best tool in the industry. Being able to see your current position on the graph alond with adjusted all on the same screen is awsome. The software also has a "Back Trader" module that is by far the best in the industry Think or Swims "Think Back doesn't even work. The software also has a trade finder that helps locate trades with every imaginable spread.  I was also told they have a great one on one mentoring program and I think it is www.discoveroptions.com this site has real archived web cast on option trading and I think they do some live shows twice a week in the morning that are interesting. I bought my software from a guy named Tom who discounted it by I think $1,200 and taught me how to use the software and assisted on some trade ideas.Great guy and company check them out.
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    DJ vox Have you ever heard of Optionvue. Check them out at www.optionvue.com They have by far the best software in the industry.They have been around for 25 years and thats because the software is like no other.It does cost around $3,500 but it is the best tool in the industry. Being able to see your current position on the graph alond with adjusted all on the same screen is awsome. The software also has a "Back Trader" module that is by far the best in the industry Think or Swims "Think Back doesn't even work. The software also has a trade finder that helps locate trades with every imaginable spread.  I was also told they have a great one on one mentoring program and I think it is www.discoveroptions.com this site has real archived web cast on option trading and I think they do some live shows twice a week in the morning that are interesting. I bought my software from a guy named Tom who discounted it by I think $1,200 and taught me how to use the software and assisted on some trade ideas.Great guy and company check them out.
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