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    Angels with Kazmir at home +126, whos with me?

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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2009 - 3:49 PM ET #101

    Quote Originally Posted by Serb89:

    This thread is for people who are backing me by taking the Angels, not for Yankee homers to come in here and tell us how great their team is. Move on

    My apologies this all started with me commenting on someone's statement about the bullpens...I didn't know that I wasn't permitted to offer a respectful opinion supported with factual data.  Thought that was what the purpose of these forums were...to interact with people and get their thoughts and different perspectives. BOL with your Angels play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serb89:

    This thread is for people who are backing me by taking the Angels, not for Yankee homers to come in here and tell us how great their team is. Move on

    My apologies this all started with me commenting on someone's statement about the bullpens...I didn't know that I wasn't permitted to offer a respectful opinion supported with factual data.  Thought that was what the purpose of these forums were...to interact with people and get their thoughts and different perspectives. BOL with your Angels play.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2009 - 3:49 PM ET #102

    yeah i agree lets go angels !!!

    because we dont carewho we play if we win one more 

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    yeah i agree lets go angels !!!

    because we dont carewho we play if we win one more 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2009 - 3:50 PM ET #103

    I really think the stance needs to be value.  Yes the Yanks can win?  Hell when it comes down to it its a 50/50 bet.   But given the circumstances LAA around +130 is a value bet.

    PS:  my book has  NYY -130,   LAA +110......  eliminates the value I had just been discussing.

    Does anyone have a lean towards the Over tonight?  Seems like the weather will be fair again, and both bullpens have put in some serious time.  Last night the game started an hour earlier.  This pushed the "Pitching Shadow Effect" into the 4th-5th innings.  Tonight the game starts later and the shadows should be gone sooner and thus giving the hitters clear vision of the traveling pitch much sooner and for more innings.

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    I really think the stance needs to be value.  Yes the Yanks can win?  Hell when it comes down to it its a 50/50 bet.   But given the circumstances LAA around +130 is a value bet.

    PS:  my book has  NYY -130,   LAA +110......  eliminates the value I had just been discussing.

    Does anyone have a lean towards the Over tonight?  Seems like the weather will be fair again, and both bullpens have put in some serious time.  Last night the game started an hour earlier.  This pushed the "Pitching Shadow Effect" into the 4th-5th innings.  Tonight the game starts later and the shadows should be gone sooner and thus giving the hitters clear vision of the traveling pitch much sooner and for more innings.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2009 - 3:56 PM ET #104

    Of course you have the Rally Monkey on your side!

    Good luck

     

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    Of course you have the Rally Monkey on your side!

    Good luck

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2009 - 3:57 PM ET #105

    Quote Originally Posted by diamonddicer:

    My apologies this all started with me commenting on someone's statement about the bullpens...I didn't know that I wasn't permitted to offer a respectful opinion supported with factual data.  Thought that was what the purpose of these forums were...to interact with people and get their thoughts and different perspectives. BOL with your Angels play.



    Sorry but i got boxed for going into someones forum and rooting against the other team, i dont want you to get boxed
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    Quote Originally Posted by diamonddicer:

    My apologies this all started with me commenting on someone's statement about the bullpens...I didn't know that I wasn't permitted to offer a respectful opinion supported with factual data.  Thought that was what the purpose of these forums were...to interact with people and get their thoughts and different perspectives. BOL with your Angels play.



    Sorry but i got boxed for going into someones forum and rooting against the other team, i dont want you to get boxed
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2009 - 3:57 PM ET #106

    yanks putting the smash down on the angels tonight!!
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    yanks putting the smash down on the angels tonight!!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2009 - 4:13 PM ET #107

    Quote Originally Posted by fedex11204:

    it's funny how you Bator change your thoughts ..all you needed was a loss taking the yanks and your mindset has completely changed

     

     

    It has more to do with the manner in which the Yankees blew the game and thus politely handed ALL the momentum over to the Angels.  They had a comfortable lead, had at least two good chances to blow it open, but instead let the Angels hang around and ultimately let the Angels win it thanks to Joe Girardi's latest bonehead pitching change. 

    The Yankees are loaded with talent, no doubt, but they aren't the most mentally tough team in baseball, and they sure as hell are not the more mentally tough team in this series.  If the Yankees were at home, I wouldn't doubt their ability to shake off such a bad loss, but being on the road, in their Anaheim House of Horrors, I could more easily see them crumbling again sooner than I could see them bouncing back strong. 

    How come I didn't hear any Yankee fans or backers complaing about Sabathia being allowed to pitch the 8th inning of Game 1?  That extra inning of work was unnecessary.  Sabathia was at 100 pitches at the end of 7 innings and the Yankees had a 4-1 lead, a lead which might as well have been 10-1 with the way the bundled-up Halos were swinging frozen popsicle sticks at the plate.  Knowing that they were going to use him in Game 4 on short rest, why didn't the Yankees pull him after 7 innings knowing that any rag arm out of the Yankee pen could've handled the 8th?  What was the logic in letting Sabathia climb up to 113 pitches?  It was just a stupid move, and it's another reason I'm eager to bet against these guys tonight.

    The Angels are now 52-32 at Angel Stadium this season.  That's a .620 winning percentage.  One of my regular plays every baseball season is to bet on a homedog with a home winning percentage of better than .600.  I start looking for these plays on June 1st, and the deeper it gets into the season, the better I like them.  In the playoffs, I love them.  Some guys on here are making the claim that Sabathia -135 is cheap.  Those guys are nuts.  No team and no pitcher should be favored over these Angels in Angel Stadium.  I think the Angels have earned that respect over 84 home games.  But, the lines are shaped largely by public perception, and public perception insists that C.C. Sabathia is an almost unstoppable force. 

    Hey, speaking of Sabathia again, I'm going to annoy Yankee fans once again by suggesting that his excellent postseason is being exaggerated.  In his start against the Twins, he enjoyed the enormous advantage of facing a team playing with very little rest following an incredibly emotional one-game playoff thriller and subsequent champagne celebration.  Even the Twins admitted after Game 1 that fatigue hit them hard a few innings into the game (when they were up 2-0 on Sabathia).  In his start against the Angels, Sabathia again enjoyed another enormous advantage, this time getting to face a Southern California team ill-prepared for what (to them) had to feel like arctic conditions.  The Angels played like they were in no mood to compete in freezing weather and said afterwards that watery eyes made it almost impossible to hit.  I'm not saying a well-rested Sabathia wasn't on his game in those two starts, but I am suggesting that fatigue and cold weather helped him out a lot.  No such enormous edge for the big man tonight.

    Up above I mentioned that the Yankees aren't as mentally tough as the Angels.  Yesterday the Yankees slowly built up a solid lead only to quickly get tied up before finally giving in after one pitching change too many.  There's good reason to believe that it'll be tough for the Yankees to simply bounce back after a loss that agonizing.

     

    On April 24th, the Yankees held a 4-2 lead in the bottom of the 9th in Boston, but Rivera gave up a two-out, two-run homer to Jason Bay and the Yanks went on to lose in 11 innings.  The next day, they got battered by the Red Sox, 16-11.

    In that 16-11 loss the following day, the Yankees built up a 6-0 lead by the 4th inning, but A.J. Burnett couldn't hold it and the Yanks went on to get buried.  The next day, the Yankees lost to the Red Sox again, 4-1.

    On July 10th, the Yankees held leads of 4-0 and 5-1 over the Angels in Anaheim, but allowed 9 runs in the 5th, 6th, and 7th to get blown away, 10-6.  The next day, the Yankees lost to the Angels again.

    The following day, Saturday, July 11th, the Yankees again had an early 4-0 lead, and again the pitching staff imploded, letting the Angels score 7 runs in the 5th inning on their way to a 14-8 laugher.  The next day, the Yankees lost to the Angels again as a road favorite behind C.C. Sabathia, who took the loss.

    On July 31st, the Yankees scored three times in the top of the first against the White Sox in Chicago but blew the lead by the 2nd inning.  They went on to get smoked, 10-5.  The next day, the Yankees lost to the White Sox again.

    The Yankees lost consecutive road games to the same team seven times this season, and on five of those occasions, they had blown a big lead the day before and failed miserably in bouncing back the next day.  And if you don't think that a lot of regular season bad habits don't follow teams into the postseason, you're mistaken.

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fedex11204:

    it's funny how you Bator change your thoughts ..all you needed was a loss taking the yanks and your mindset has completely changed

     

     

    It has more to do with the manner in which the Yankees blew the game and thus politely handed ALL the momentum over to the Angels.  They had a comfortable lead, had at least two good chances to blow it open, but instead let the Angels hang around and ultimately let the Angels win it thanks to Joe Girardi's latest bonehead pitching change. 

    The Yankees are loaded with talent, no doubt, but they aren't the most mentally tough team in baseball, and they sure as hell are not the more mentally tough team in this series.  If the Yankees were at home, I wouldn't doubt their ability to shake off such a bad loss, but being on the road, in their Anaheim House of Horrors, I could more easily see them crumbling again sooner than I could see them bouncing back strong. 

    How come I didn't hear any Yankee fans or backers complaing about Sabathia being allowed to pitch the 8th inning of Game 1?  That extra inning of work was unnecessary.  Sabathia was at 100 pitches at the end of 7 innings and the Yankees had a 4-1 lead, a lead which might as well have been 10-1 with the way the bundled-up Halos were swinging frozen popsicle sticks at the plate.  Knowing that they were going to use him in Game 4 on short rest, why didn't the Yankees pull him after 7 innings knowing that any rag arm out of the Yankee pen could've handled the 8th?  What was the logic in letting Sabathia climb up to 113 pitches?  It was just a stupid move, and it's another reason I'm eager to bet against these guys tonight.

    The Angels are now 52-32 at Angel Stadium this season.  That's a .620 winning percentage.  One of my regular plays every baseball season is to bet on a homedog with a home winning percentage of better than .600.  I start looking for these plays on June 1st, and the deeper it gets into the season, the better I like them.  In the playoffs, I love them.  Some guys on here are making the claim that Sabathia -135 is cheap.  Those guys are nuts.  No team and no pitcher should be favored over these Angels in Angel Stadium.  I think the Angels have earned that respect over 84 home games.  But, the lines are shaped largely by public perception, and public perception insists that C.C. Sabathia is an almost unstoppable force. 

    Hey, speaking of Sabathia again, I'm going to annoy Yankee fans once again by suggesting that his excellent postseason is being exaggerated.  In his start against the Twins, he enjoyed the enormous advantage of facing a team playing with very little rest following an incredibly emotional one-game playoff thriller and subsequent champagne celebration.  Even the Twins admitted after Game 1 that fatigue hit them hard a few innings into the game (when they were up 2-0 on Sabathia).  In his start against the Angels, Sabathia again enjoyed another enormous advantage, this time getting to face a Southern California team ill-prepared for what (to them) had to feel like arctic conditions.  The Angels played like they were in no mood to compete in freezing weather and said afterwards that watery eyes made it almost impossible to hit.  I'm not saying a well-rested Sabathia wasn't on his game in those two starts, but I am suggesting that fatigue and cold weather helped him out a lot.  No such enormous edge for the big man tonight.

    Up above I mentioned that the Yankees aren't as mentally tough as the Angels.  Yesterday the Yankees slowly built up a solid lead only to quickly get tied up before finally giving in after one pitching change too many.  There's good reason to believe that it'll be tough for the Yankees to simply bounce back after a loss that agonizing.

     

    On April 24th, the Yankees held a 4-2 lead in the bottom of the 9th in Boston, but Rivera gave up a two-out, two-run homer to Jason Bay and the Yanks went on to lose in 11 innings.  The next day, they got battered by the Red Sox, 16-11.

    In that 16-11 loss the following day, the Yankees built up a 6-0 lead by the 4th inning, but A.J. Burnett couldn't hold it and the Yanks went on to get buried.  The next day, the Yankees lost to the Red Sox again, 4-1.

    On July 10th, the Yankees held leads of 4-0 and 5-1 over the Angels in Anaheim, but allowed 9 runs in the 5th, 6th, and 7th to get blown away, 10-6.  The next day, the Yankees lost to the Angels again.

    The following day, Saturday, July 11th, the Yankees again had an early 4-0 lead, and again the pitching staff imploded, letting the Angels score 7 runs in the 5th inning on their way to a 14-8 laugher.  The next day, the Yankees lost to the Angels again as a road favorite behind C.C. Sabathia, who took the loss.

    On July 31st, the Yankees scored three times in the top of the first against the White Sox in Chicago but blew the lead by the 2nd inning.  They went on to get smoked, 10-5.  The next day, the Yankees lost to the White Sox again.

    The Yankees lost consecutive road games to the same team seven times this season, and on five of those occasions, they had blown a big lead the day before and failed miserably in bouncing back the next day.  And if you don't think that a lot of regular season bad habits don't follow teams into the postseason, you're mistaken.

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2009 - 4:15 PM ET #108

    Uh oh, Lang isn't on the Yankees is he?   That could be knocking it down..

     

    Brandon LANG is on the Angels.

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    Brandon LANG is on the Angels.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2009 - 4:18 PM ET #109

    Quote Originally Posted by ebbottom:

    the yankees are coming to play tonight.  dont think the angels will win if they're loading the bases and not scoring in extra innings.  think the yankees will roll once thee are some people on base when the homers go off. the best team in baseball won't lose two nights in a row after some bullshit.  yankees -132 exactly where it should be... 

     

     

    You're exactly right, my man.  There is no possible way the Angels could load the bases in extra innings against the Yankees and fail to score and still expect to win the ballgame.  No way, no chance, no how!

     

    Well, except for yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebbottom:

    the yankees are coming to play tonight.  dont think the angels will win if they're loading the bases and not scoring in extra innings.  think the yankees will roll once thee are some people on base when the homers go off. the best team in baseball won't lose two nights in a row after some bullshit.  yankees -132 exactly where it should be... 

     

     

    You're exactly right, my man.  There is no possible way the Angels could load the bases in extra innings against the Yankees and fail to score and still expect to win the ballgame.  No way, no chance, no how!

     

    Well, except for yesterday.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2009 - 4:19 PM ET #110

    bator, you can watch your angels get rolled up tonight. after the game, i hope you get run over by a bus! so i don't have to read your nonsense on covers anymore!!
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    bator, you can watch your angels get rolled up tonight. after the game, i hope you get run over by a bus! so i don't have to read your nonsense on covers anymore!!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean808:

    Uh oh, Lang isn't on the Yankees is he?   That could be knocking it down..

     

    Brandon LANG is on the Angels.

     

     

    That's okay.  Lang's jinxy backing of the Angels is offset by Anaheim's Rally Monkey.  In fact, the Rally Monkey is smarter than Lang.  And better looking.

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    Uh oh, Lang isn't on the Yankees is he?   That could be knocking it down..

     

    Brandon LANG is on the Angels.

     

     

    That's okay.  Lang's jinxy backing of the Angels is offset by Anaheim's Rally Monkey.  In fact, the Rally Monkey is smarter than Lang.  And better looking.

     
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    bator, you can watch your angels get rolled up tonight. after the game, i hope you get run over by a bus! so i don't have to read your nonsense on covers anymore!!

     

     

    Just to make your life even more difficult, I'm going to write even more nonsense.  And you're going to keep reading it, bitch!!

     

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    bator, you can watch your angels get rolled up tonight. after the game, i hope you get run over by a bus! so i don't have to read your nonsense on covers anymore!!

     

     

    Just to make your life even more difficult, I'm going to write even more nonsense.  And you're going to keep reading it, bitch!!

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beechernic:

    I really think the stance needs to be value.  Yes the Yanks can win?  Hell when it comes down to it its a 50/50 bet.   But given the circumstances LAA around +130 is a value bet.

    PS:  my book has  NYY -130,   LAA +110......  eliminates the value I had just been discussing.

     

     

    You speak intelligently about the importance of value in the lines, but you're betting with some piece of shit book with ripoff 20 cent baseball lines?  Why??

     

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    I really think the stance needs to be value.  Yes the Yanks can win?  Hell when it comes down to it its a 50/50 bet.   But given the circumstances LAA around +130 is a value bet.

    PS:  my book has  NYY -130,   LAA +110......  eliminates the value I had just been discussing.

     

     

    You speak intelligently about the importance of value in the lines, but you're betting with some piece of shit book with ripoff 20 cent baseball lines?  Why??

     

     
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    Like the Angels in this spot! 
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBator:

     

     

    That's okay.  Lang's jinxy backing of the Angels is offset by Anaheim's Rally Monkey.  In fact, the Rally Monkey is smarter than Lang.  And better looking.





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    That's okay.  Lang's jinxy backing of the Angels is offset by Anaheim's Rally Monkey.  In fact, the Rally Monkey is smarter than Lang.  And better looking.





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    On the other side of the spectrum if the Yankees take pitches and knock Kazmir out who do the Angels have in their bullpen? They are spent too. Is Kazmir know to go deep into games? No
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    On the other side of the spectrum if the Yankees take pitches and knock Kazmir out who do the Angels have in their bullpen? They are spent too. Is Kazmir know to go deep into games? No
     
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    hope you are right tonight bro......I put a significant amount of my winnings from yesterdays Bronco game on the Angels ML for 10 units and 1st five innings for 5 units
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    hope you are right tonight bro......I put a significant amount of my winnings from yesterdays Bronco game on the Angels ML for 10 units and 1st five innings for 5 units
     
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    It has more to do with the manner in which the Yankees blew the game and thus politely handed ALL the momentum over to the Angels.  They had a comfortable lead, had at least two good chances to blow it open, but instead let the Angels hang around and ultimately let the Angels win it thanks to Joe Girardi's latest bonehead pitching change. 

    The Yankees are loaded with talent, no doubt, but they aren't the most mentally tough team in baseball, and they sure as hell are not the more mentally tough team in this series.  If the Yankees were at home, I wouldn't doubt their ability to shake off such a bad loss, but being on the road, in their Anaheim House of Horrors, I could more easily see them crumbling again sooner than I could see them bouncing back strong. 

    How come I didn't hear any Yankee fans or backers complaing about Sabathia being allowed to pitch the 8th inning of Game 1?  That extra inning of work was unnecessary.  Sabathia was at 100 pitches at the end of 7 innings and the Yankees had a 4-1 lead, a lead which might as well have been 10-1 with the way the bundled-up Halos were swinging frozen popsicle sticks at the plate.  Knowing that they were going to use him in Game 4 on short rest, why didn't the Yankees pull him after 7 innings knowing that any rag arm out of the Yankee pen could've handled the 8th?  What was the logic in letting Sabathia climb up to 113 pitches?  It was just a stupid move, and it's another reason I'm eager to bet against these guys tonight.

    The Angels are now 52-32 at Angel Stadium this season.  That's a .620 winning percentage.  One of my regular plays every baseball season is to bet on a homedog with a home winning percentage of better than .600.  I start looking for these plays on June 1st, and the deeper it gets into the season, the better I like them.  In the playoffs, I love them.  Some guys on here are making the claim that Sabathia -135 is cheap.  Those guys are nuts.  No team and no pitcher should be favored over these Angels in Angel Stadium.  I think the Angels have earned that respect over 84 home games.  But, the lines are shaped largely by public perception, and public perception insists that C.C. Sabathia is an almost unstoppable force. 

    Hey, speaking of Sabathia again, I'm going to annoy Yankee fans once again by suggesting that his excellent postseason is being exaggerated.  In his start against the Twins, he enjoyed the enormous advantage of facing a team playing with very little rest following an incredibly emotional one-game playoff thriller and subsequent champagne celebration.  Even the Twins admitted after Game 1 that fatigue hit them hard a few innings into the game (when they were up 2-0 on Sabathia).  In his start against the Angels, Sabathia again enjoyed another enormous advantage, this time getting to face a Southern California team ill-prepared for what (to them) had to feel like arctic conditions.  The Angels played like they were in no mood to compete in freezing weather and said afterwards that watery eyes made it almost impossible to hit.  I'm not saying a well-rested Sabathia wasn't on his game in those two starts, but I am suggesting that fatigue and cold weather helped him out a lot.  No such enormous edge for the big man tonight.

    Up above I mentioned that the Yankees aren't as mentally tough as the Angels.  Yesterday the Yankees slowly built up a solid lead only to quickly get tied up before finally giving in after one pitching change too many.  There's good reason to believe that it'll be tough for the Yankees to simply bounce back after a loss that agonizing.

     

    On April 24th, the Yankees held a 4-2 lead in the bottom of the 9th in Boston, but Rivera gave up a two-out, two-run homer to Jason Bay and the Yanks went on to lose in 11 innings.  The next day, they got battered by the Red Sox, 16-11.

    In that 16-11 loss the following day, the Yankees built up a 6-0 lead by the 4th inning, but A.J. Burnett couldn't hold it and the Yanks went on to get buried.  The next day, the Yankees lost to the Red Sox again, 4-1.

    On July 10th, the Yankees held leads of 4-0 and 5-1 over the Angels in Anaheim, but allowed 9 runs in the 5th, 6th, and 7th to get blown away, 10-6.  The next day, the Yankees lost to the Angels again.

    The following day, Saturday, July 11th, the Yankees again had an early 4-0 lead, and again the pitching staff imploded, letting the Angels score 7 runs in the 5th inning on their way to a 14-8 laugher.  The next day, the Yankees lost to the Angels again as a road favorite behind C.C. Sabathia, who took the loss.

    On July 31st, the Yankees scored three times in the top of the first against the White Sox in Chicago but blew the lead by the 2nd inning.  They went on to get smoked, 10-5.  The next day, the Yankees lost to the White Sox again.

    The Yankees lost consecutive road games to the same team seven times this season, and on five of those occasions, they had blown a big lead the day before and failed miserably in bouncing back the next day.  And if you don't think that a lot of regular season bad habits don't follow teams into the postseason, you're mistaken.

     

     

     



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    It has more to do with the manner in which the Yankees blew the game and thus politely handed ALL the momentum over to the Angels.  They had a comfortable lead, had at least two good chances to blow it open, but instead let the Angels hang around and ultimately let the Angels win it thanks to Joe Girardi's latest bonehead pitching change. 

    The Yankees are loaded with talent, no doubt, but they aren't the most mentally tough team in baseball, and they sure as hell are not the more mentally tough team in this series.  If the Yankees were at home, I wouldn't doubt their ability to shake off such a bad loss, but being on the road, in their Anaheim House of Horrors, I could more easily see them crumbling again sooner than I could see them bouncing back strong. 

    How come I didn't hear any Yankee fans or backers complaing about Sabathia being allowed to pitch the 8th inning of Game 1?  That extra inning of work was unnecessary.  Sabathia was at 100 pitches at the end of 7 innings and the Yankees had a 4-1 lead, a lead which might as well have been 10-1 with the way the bundled-up Halos were swinging frozen popsicle sticks at the plate.  Knowing that they were going to use him in Game 4 on short rest, why didn't the Yankees pull him after 7 innings knowing that any rag arm out of the Yankee pen could've handled the 8th?  What was the logic in letting Sabathia climb up to 113 pitches?  It was just a stupid move, and it's another reason I'm eager to bet against these guys tonight.

    The Angels are now 52-32 at Angel Stadium this season.  That's a .620 winning percentage.  One of my regular plays every baseball season is to bet on a homedog with a home winning percentage of better than .600.  I start looking for these plays on June 1st, and the deeper it gets into the season, the better I like them.  In the playoffs, I love them.  Some guys on here are making the claim that Sabathia -135 is cheap.  Those guys are nuts.  No team and no pitcher should be favored over these Angels in Angel Stadium.  I think the Angels have earned that respect over 84 home games.  But, the lines are shaped largely by public perception, and public perception insists that C.C. Sabathia is an almost unstoppable force. 

    Hey, speaking of Sabathia again, I'm going to annoy Yankee fans once again by suggesting that his excellent postseason is being exaggerated.  In his start against the Twins, he enjoyed the enormous advantage of facing a team playing with very little rest following an incredibly emotional one-game playoff thriller and subsequent champagne celebration.  Even the Twins admitted after Game 1 that fatigue hit them hard a few innings into the game (when they were up 2-0 on Sabathia).  In his start against the Angels, Sabathia again enjoyed another enormous advantage, this time getting to face a Southern California team ill-prepared for what (to them) had to feel like arctic conditions.  The Angels played like they were in no mood to compete in freezing weather and said afterwards that watery eyes made it almost impossible to hit.  I'm not saying a well-rested Sabathia wasn't on his game in those two starts, but I am suggesting that fatigue and cold weather helped him out a lot.  No such enormous edge for the big man tonight.

    Up above I mentioned that the Yankees aren't as mentally tough as the Angels.  Yesterday the Yankees slowly built up a solid lead only to quickly get tied up before finally giving in after one pitching change too many.  There's good reason to believe that it'll be tough for the Yankees to simply bounce back after a loss that agonizing.

     

    On April 24th, the Yankees held a 4-2 lead in the bottom of the 9th in Boston, but Rivera gave up a two-out, two-run homer to Jason Bay and the Yanks went on to lose in 11 innings.  The next day, they got battered by the Red Sox, 16-11.

    In that 16-11 loss the following day, the Yankees built up a 6-0 lead by the 4th inning, but A.J. Burnett couldn't hold it and the Yanks went on to get buried.  The next day, the Yankees lost to the Red Sox again, 4-1.

    On July 10th, the Yankees held leads of 4-0 and 5-1 over the Angels in Anaheim, but allowed 9 runs in the 5th, 6th, and 7th to get blown away, 10-6.  The next day, the Yankees lost to the Angels again.

    The following day, Saturday, July 11th, the Yankees again had an early 4-0 lead, and again the pitching staff imploded, letting the Angels score 7 runs in the 5th inning on their way to a 14-8 laugher.  The next day, the Yankees lost to the Angels again as a road favorite behind C.C. Sabathia, who took the loss.

    On July 31st, the Yankees scored three times in the top of the first against the White Sox in Chicago but blew the lead by the 2nd inning.  They went on to get smoked, 10-5.  The next day, the Yankees lost to the White Sox again.

    The Yankees lost consecutive road games to the same team seven times this season, and on five of those occasions, they had blown a big lead the day before and failed miserably in bouncing back the next day.  And if you don't think that a lot of regular season bad habits don't follow teams into the postseason, you're mistaken.

     

     

     



    Will you be hitting the live betting if the Yanks grab the lead first?

     
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    Will you be hitting the live betting if the Yanks grab the lead first?

     

     

    You know me too well.

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    Will you be hitting the live betting if the Yanks grab the lead first?

     

     

    You know me too well.

     
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    Let's get out front early and not look back.

    Yankees are scared now, as they should be.

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    Let's get out front early and not look back.

    Yankees are scared now, as they should be.

     
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    hey bator......someone just mentioned to me that the yankees had 50 come from behind wins this year..........wouldnt that offset some of the things in your writeup? it sure doesnt tell me they arent mentally tough...........

    i am on the angels, but just playing devils advocate

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    hey bator......someone just mentioned to me that the yankees had 50 come from behind wins this year..........wouldnt that offset some of the things in your writeup? it sure doesnt tell me they arent mentally tough...........

    i am on the angels, but just playing devils advocate

     
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    so your gonna bet the angels.. and if they down 1-0 after 1,2,3.... inning your gonna live bet on to the yankees? i dont get it. youll give up on the team you put money on if theyre down earl... if youdid that lasst night i dont know how happy you would have been mr b.. can you explain alil bit

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    so your gonna bet the angels.. and if they down 1-0 after 1,2,3.... inning your gonna live bet on to the yankees? i dont get it. youll give up on the team you put money on if theyre down earl... if youdid that lasst night i dont know how happy you would have been mr b.. can you explain alil bit

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by qweasd123:

    so your gonna bet the angels.. and if they down 1-0 after 1,2,3.... inning your gonna live bet on to the yankees? i dont get it. youll give up on the team you put money on if theyre down earl... if youdid that lasst night i dont know how happy you would have been mr b.. can you explain alil bit

     

     

    No, not live bet on the Yankees!  I'll be looking for opportunities to add to my Angels action.

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    so your gonna bet the angels.. and if they down 1-0 after 1,2,3.... inning your gonna live bet on to the yankees? i dont get it. youll give up on the team you put money on if theyre down earl... if youdid that lasst night i dont know how happy you would have been mr b.. can you explain alil bit

     

     

    No, not live bet on the Yankees!  I'll be looking for opportunities to add to my Angels action.

     
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    haaha oh alright fsho i like that.. got me scared for a sec, i know  your Good so it sounded weird at first reading what you meant. thanks
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    haaha oh alright fsho i like that.. got me scared for a sec, i know  your Good so it sounded weird at first reading what you meant. thanks
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by luckythirteen:

    hey bator......someone just mentioned to me that the yankees had 50 come from behind wins this year..........wouldnt that offset some of the things in your writeup? it sure doesnt tell me they arent mentally tough...........

    i am on the angels, but just playing devils advocate

     

     

    Like I wrote up above, "if the Yankees were at home, I wouldn't doubt their ability to shake off a tough loss."  But as we've seen this season, they haven't shown that they can respond well at all on the road the day after blowing a big lead. 

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    hey bator......someone just mentioned to me that the yankees had 50 come from behind wins this year..........wouldnt that offset some of the things in your writeup? it sure doesnt tell me they arent mentally tough...........

    i am on the angels, but just playing devils advocate

     

     

    Like I wrote up above, "if the Yankees were at home, I wouldn't doubt their ability to shake off a tough loss."  But as we've seen this season, they haven't shown that they can respond well at all on the road the day after blowing a big lead. 

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