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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2011 - 2:58 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbosa212:


    It is a matter of opinion combined with simple statistics:  Do you think the Reds would win this game out right with this exact scenario 61% of the time, or do you think they would win this game by 2 runs 43% of the time.  Both are decent bets statistically...I would prefer to take the run line personally, and assume that CIN would win this scenario 6 out of 10 times.

    Make Money Monday





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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbosa212:


    It is a matter of opinion combined with simple statistics:  Do you think the Reds would win this game out right with this exact scenario 61% of the time, or do you think they would win this game by 2 runs 43% of the time.  Both are decent bets statistically...I would prefer to take the run line personally, and assume that CIN would win this scenario 6 out of 10 times.

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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2011 - 3:00 PM ET #27

    GL bodio
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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2011 - 3:02 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by giangho_viet:

    laying big juice on Red , are you not confident with the pick Bodio ? you dont think they can win by 2 run plus ? 

    Always confident  :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by giangho_viet:

    laying big juice on Red , are you not confident with the pick Bodio ? you dont think they can win by 2 run plus ? 

    Always confident  :)
     
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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2011 - 3:04 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by LeagueCapper:

    Word of advice if you want to get better value on the juice and this is what I did:

    Split your unit up to 60% on the moneyline and 40% on the Runline giving you the Reds at -1 (-113) . If they end up winning by 1 worst you do is push.

    If they end up winning by 1, you push and I win.
    I like winning better  :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeagueCapper:

    Word of advice if you want to get better value on the juice and this is what I did:

    Split your unit up to 60% on the moneyline and 40% on the Runline giving you the Reds at -1 (-113) . If they end up winning by 1 worst you do is push.

    If they end up winning by 1, you push and I win.
    I like winning better  :)
     
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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2011 - 3:16 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by bodio:


    If they end up winning by 1, you push and I win.
    I like winning better  :)


    I guess you got a point there but over the course of the season always better trying to get better value/juice and im sure it will save you money in the longrun. just tryin to help
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    Quote Originally Posted by bodio:


    If they end up winning by 1, you push and I win.
    I like winning better  :)


    I guess you got a point there but over the course of the season always better trying to get better value/juice and im sure it will save you money in the longrun. just tryin to help
     
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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2011 - 3:18 PM ET #31

    gl with your MLB today bodio, no NBA write up today??
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    gl with your MLB today bodio, no NBA write up today??
     
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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2011 - 3:23 PM ET #32

    like em....im a cubs fan but like Sox here after getting punched in the face at home....TB got me twice against Twins and but going against em again!
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    like em....im a cubs fan but like Sox here after getting punched in the face at home....TB got me twice against Twins and but going against em again!
     
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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2011 - 3:29 PM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by bodio:


    If they end up winning by 1, you push and I win.
    I like winning better  :)

    ***Your numbers are off I think***.  Lets assume you play "to win" the same $ amount every game, which is a unit, which Bo says he does, and the way I do.  Lets assume for this example a unit is $200.

    If you spit the unit up 60/40 ML vs RL and a unit is $200, this is what happens.

    If CIN loses: you lose both bets ML of 200/120 and RL of 62/80
    you actually only lose $262 instead of losing $332 on a normal bet.

    If CIN wins by +1, you STILL WIN $58.  You win $120 on ML and lose $62 on RL

    If CIN wins by +2 or greater you win a full unit, $200

    I think you are on to something here my friend... you are risking $70 less of juice in total then if you just took the ML alone, and you still make .29 of a unit if they win by 1, and full unit if they win by 2.

    Is all this worth it to bring your odds down from -160 to -131.  I don't know if it is....gota think about that.







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    Quote Originally Posted by bodio:


    If they end up winning by 1, you push and I win.
    I like winning better  :)

    ***Your numbers are off I think***.  Lets assume you play "to win" the same $ amount every game, which is a unit, which Bo says he does, and the way I do.  Lets assume for this example a unit is $200.

    If you spit the unit up 60/40 ML vs RL and a unit is $200, this is what happens.

    If CIN loses: you lose both bets ML of 200/120 and RL of 62/80
    you actually only lose $262 instead of losing $332 on a normal bet.

    If CIN wins by +1, you STILL WIN $58.  You win $120 on ML and lose $62 on RL

    If CIN wins by +2 or greater you win a full unit, $200

    I think you are on to something here my friend... you are risking $70 less of juice in total then if you just took the ML alone, and you still make .29 of a unit if they win by 1, and full unit if they win by 2.

    Is all this worth it to bring your odds down from -160 to -131.  I don't know if it is....gota think about that.







     
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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2011 - 3:31 PM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by LeagueCapper:



    I guess you got a point there but over the course of the season always better trying to get better value/juice and im sure it will save you money in the longrun. just tryin to help

    I appreciate you trying to help.  I'm just wondering if it over the course of the season it's better to reduce juice, then to win the 30% or so of the 1-run games.

    I've looked up Reds schedule from last year.  They won 27 1-run games in 2010.  They won a total of 91 games in 2010.  So that indicates that 30% of all of their wins were by 1 run.  (No idea what it is long-term for all MLB teams..does anyone?)  The Reds went 91-71 last year for a 56% win-rate.  If you take out their 1-run wins, they've gone 64-98 (40%), winning 64 games by 2+ runs and either losing or winning by 1, the other 98.  I know this is a very simplistic way of looking at it, especially since if they're a dog not many people would lay -1.5 on the Reds, but basically I'm curious if anyone has done the analysis to see if it's more beneficial in the long-run to play RL to save the juice on a bigger favorite, or to take the ML, thus improving your chance of winning by 30% (assumption).

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    I guess you got a point there but over the course of the season always better trying to get better value/juice and im sure it will save you money in the longrun. just tryin to help

    I appreciate you trying to help.  I'm just wondering if it over the course of the season it's better to reduce juice, then to win the 30% or so of the 1-run games.

    I've looked up Reds schedule from last year.  They won 27 1-run games in 2010.  They won a total of 91 games in 2010.  So that indicates that 30% of all of their wins were by 1 run.  (No idea what it is long-term for all MLB teams..does anyone?)  The Reds went 91-71 last year for a 56% win-rate.  If you take out their 1-run wins, they've gone 64-98 (40%), winning 64 games by 2+ runs and either losing or winning by 1, the other 98.  I know this is a very simplistic way of looking at it, especially since if they're a dog not many people would lay -1.5 on the Reds, but basically I'm curious if anyone has done the analysis to see if it's more beneficial in the long-run to play RL to save the juice on a bigger favorite, or to take the ML, thus improving your chance of winning by 30% (assumption).

    thanks




     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bodio:


    I appreciate you trying to help.  I'm just wondering if it over the course of the season it's better to reduce juice, then to win the 30% or so of the 1-run games.

    I've looked up Reds schedule from last year.  They won 27 1-run games in 2010.  They won a total of 91 games in 2010.  So that indicates that 30% of all of their wins were by 1 run.  (No idea what it is long-term for all MLB teams..does anyone?)  The Reds went 91-71 last year for a 56% win-rate.  If you take out their 1-run wins, they've gone 64-98 (40%), winning 64 games by 2+ runs and either losing or winning by 1, the other 98.  I know this is a very simplistic way of looking at it, especially since if they're a dog not many people would lay -1.5 on the Reds, but basically I'm curious if anyone has done the analysis to see if it's more beneficial in the long-run to play RL to save the juice on a bigger favorite, or to take the ML, thus improving your chance of winning by 30% (assumption).

    thanks






    i found this while checking it out..hopefully it helps a bit

    https://www.pickmonitor.com/sports-betting-forum/thread/985-MLB%3A+MoneyLine+or+1.5+spread%3F+A+stats+analysis/
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    I appreciate you trying to help.  I'm just wondering if it over the course of the season it's better to reduce juice, then to win the 30% or so of the 1-run games.

    I've looked up Reds schedule from last year.  They won 27 1-run games in 2010.  They won a total of 91 games in 2010.  So that indicates that 30% of all of their wins were by 1 run.  (No idea what it is long-term for all MLB teams..does anyone?)  The Reds went 91-71 last year for a 56% win-rate.  If you take out their 1-run wins, they've gone 64-98 (40%), winning 64 games by 2+ runs and either losing or winning by 1, the other 98.  I know this is a very simplistic way of looking at it, especially since if they're a dog not many people would lay -1.5 on the Reds, but basically I'm curious if anyone has done the analysis to see if it's more beneficial in the long-run to play RL to save the juice on a bigger favorite, or to take the ML, thus improving your chance of winning by 30% (assumption).

    thanks






    i found this while checking it out..hopefully it helps a bit

    https://www.pickmonitor.com/sports-betting-forum/thread/985-MLB%3A+MoneyLine+or+1.5+spread%3F+A+stats+analysis/
     
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    Thanks patriots
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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2011 - 3:47 PM ET #37

    Also Bodio, my advice i guess was meant for people that were betting the runline as opposed to people like you that were taking the moneyline. Safer going from the runline to the -1
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    Also Bodio, my advice i guess was meant for people that were betting the runline as opposed to people like you that were taking the moneyline. Safer going from the runline to the -1
     
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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2011 - 3:48 PM ET #38

    Like the plays today Bodio. Love to read the writeups everyday. Keep up the good work! Any opinion on Texas today? I was thinking of taking them today as well. Thanks
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    Like the plays today Bodio. Love to read the writeups everyday. Keep up the good work! Any opinion on Texas today? I was thinking of taking them today as well. Thanks
     
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    Thanks for the nice write up as always. Hope for a great Mondaqy to you my friend.

    Are you doing anything in NBA today?

     

     

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    Thanks for the nice write up as always. Hope for a great Mondaqy to you my friend.

    Are you doing anything in NBA today?

     

     

     
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    I really appreciate your work! Keep it up.

    "Are you doing anything in NBA today?"

    Are we going for the under in the Chicage game?

    Great writeup as always. Lets get som winners...

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    I really appreciate your work! Keep it up.

    "Are you doing anything in NBA today?"

    Are we going for the under in the Chicage game?

    Great writeup as always. Lets get som winners...

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConcreteFeet87:

    gl with your MLB today bodio, no NBA write up today??

    yes, 1 play

    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=22&sub=101036634
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    gl with your MLB today bodio, no NBA write up today??

    yes, 1 play

    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=22&sub=101036634
     
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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2011 - 4:34 PM ET #43

    "Here is how to calculate the 1RL. It is two bets: one on the Money Line and one on the Run Line:

    This is mainly used for betting favorites to make your own -1 line (mainly to reduce the juice on larger chalk favorites). Whatever you bet on the money line, whatever the winnings are bet it on the run line.

    Example: Say you liked Minnesota at -155, -1.5 +150 runline

    Bet 155 to win 100 and bet 100 to win 150 on Minnesota -1.5
    You now have Minnesota 1RL for -103 odds instead of -155
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    If they win by 2 or more you win $250, if they win by 1 you push. If they lose you lose $255 and not $387.50
    So your risking $255 to win $250, which comes out to be a line of -103

    To do the +1RL, its just the opposite:

    Example: If you liked the Kansas City Royals today, line was +155, +1.5 -140 run line

    Bet $140 to win $100 on the RL, then bet $100 on KC ml to win $155.

    You now have KC +1 for +106 odds instead of -140

    IF KC wins the game you win $255, if they lose by 1 you push, if they lose by 2 or more, you lose $240 and not $357.
    So your risking $240 to win $255 which is a line of +106.

    By using the 1RL Calculator you are saving over 30% and that is what I like. In general I really don't like any bet over -130 odds"

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    "Here is how to calculate the 1RL. It is two bets: one on the Money Line and one on the Run Line:

    This is mainly used for betting favorites to make your own -1 line (mainly to reduce the juice on larger chalk favorites). Whatever you bet on the money line, whatever the winnings are bet it on the run line.

    Example: Say you liked Minnesota at -155, -1.5 +150 runline

    Bet 155 to win 100 and bet 100 to win 150 on Minnesota -1.5
    You now have Minnesota 1RL for -103 odds instead of -155
    1
    If they win by 2 or more you win $250, if they win by 1 you push. If they lose you lose $255 and not $387.50
    So your risking $255 to win $250, which comes out to be a line of -103

    To do the +1RL, its just the opposite:

    Example: If you liked the Kansas City Royals today, line was +155, +1.5 -140 run line

    Bet $140 to win $100 on the RL, then bet $100 on KC ml to win $155.

    You now have KC +1 for +106 odds instead of -140

    IF KC wins the game you win $255, if they lose by 1 you push, if they lose by 2 or more, you lose $240 and not $357.
    So your risking $240 to win $255 which is a line of +106.

    By using the 1RL Calculator you are saving over 30% and that is what I like. In general I really don't like any bet over -130 odds"

     
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    my REDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeagueCapper:

    Also Bodio, my advice i guess was meant for people that were betting the runline as opposed to people like you that were taking the moneyline. Safer going from the runline to the -1

    I'm confused.  How is it safer?  If it's a 1-run game, you win the bet +1 Unit.  If you bet -1, you push...+/- 0.  I think the mentality that people need to have is that you're looking to maximize profits, not to come out EVEN (which is a push strategy).  

    Let's look at this example here.  I think Cincy has 70% chance of winning this game (that's why I'm betting -165, which is around 62% chance of winning).  So let's compare the 3 different outcomes (ML, RL -1.5, and RL -1 Push-line)

    ML: So out of 10 games, I would win 7 and lose 3.  
    Net Unit gain:+7 units - 4.95 (3*1.65 odds) = +2.05 Units

    RL-1.5: Since 30% of all the wins end up being by 1 run, we have to assume that out of those 7 ML wins, at least 2 will be by 1-run (7 * 30% = 2.1).  So, people that bet the RL (+125 odds) will win 5 games and lose 5.
    Net Unit gain: +6.25 units (5 *1.25) - 5 units = +1.25 Units

    RL -1 (-122 odds): I believe this is what you're suggesting.  So if Cincy wins by 1, it's a push. Keep in mind that you're still laying juice here, but it's not as large as the ML (about 40 cents less).  So now we have a scenario where you win 5, lose 3, and push on 2. 
    Net Unit gain: +5 units - 3.66 (3*1.22) = +1.34 Units


    To me it's pretty clear that ML is the right long-term wager, if my assumption that this bet wins 70% of the time is correct.  Either way, betting RL -1, is something that I don't think is in our favor long-term.  It's something the books designed, to make us feel 'warm and fuzzy' inside about reducing the vig, but is this really the best option??  Gambling is a risk, and we are all programmed to take on a certain amount of risk (at least I assume we are, since we all are gambling).  If we can't stomach certain risk, when the wager warrants it of course, then we should PASS altogether, since we're not convinced that this is a 'good' wager in the first place. (Also sometimes we're not convinced a wager is a good wager, but there could be too much 'value' to pass up...but this is a different discussion for a different time) Either way to try and 'reduce' some risk (only about 40/45 cents worth) and accept 30% of OUR wins as PUSHES is something that I don't particularly find acceptable for ME, hence the reason I primarily bet ML's.  I think long-term, finding the right ML wagers is the right way to go, instead of making myself feel 'warm and fuzzy' with reduced juice and 30% less winners... 

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeagueCapper:

    Also Bodio, my advice i guess was meant for people that were betting the runline as opposed to people like you that were taking the moneyline. Safer going from the runline to the -1

    I'm confused.  How is it safer?  If it's a 1-run game, you win the bet +1 Unit.  If you bet -1, you push...+/- 0.  I think the mentality that people need to have is that you're looking to maximize profits, not to come out EVEN (which is a push strategy).  

    Let's look at this example here.  I think Cincy has 70% chance of winning this game (that's why I'm betting -165, which is around 62% chance of winning).  So let's compare the 3 different outcomes (ML, RL -1.5, and RL -1 Push-line)

    ML: So out of 10 games, I would win 7 and lose 3.  
    Net Unit gain:+7 units - 4.95 (3*1.65 odds) = +2.05 Units

    RL-1.5: Since 30% of all the wins end up being by 1 run, we have to assume that out of those 7 ML wins, at least 2 will be by 1-run (7 * 30% = 2.1).  So, people that bet the RL (+125 odds) will win 5 games and lose 5.
    Net Unit gain: +6.25 units (5 *1.25) - 5 units = +1.25 Units

    RL -1 (-122 odds): I believe this is what you're suggesting.  So if Cincy wins by 1, it's a push. Keep in mind that you're still laying juice here, but it's not as large as the ML (about 40 cents less).  So now we have a scenario where you win 5, lose 3, and push on 2. 
    Net Unit gain: +5 units - 3.66 (3*1.22) = +1.34 Units


    To me it's pretty clear that ML is the right long-term wager, if my assumption that this bet wins 70% of the time is correct.  Either way, betting RL -1, is something that I don't think is in our favor long-term.  It's something the books designed, to make us feel 'warm and fuzzy' inside about reducing the vig, but is this really the best option??  Gambling is a risk, and we are all programmed to take on a certain amount of risk (at least I assume we are, since we all are gambling).  If we can't stomach certain risk, when the wager warrants it of course, then we should PASS altogether, since we're not convinced that this is a 'good' wager in the first place. (Also sometimes we're not convinced a wager is a good wager, but there could be too much 'value' to pass up...but this is a different discussion for a different time) Either way to try and 'reduce' some risk (only about 40/45 cents worth) and accept 30% of OUR wins as PUSHES is something that I don't particularly find acceptable for ME, hence the reason I primarily bet ML's.  I think long-term, finding the right ML wagers is the right way to go, instead of making myself feel 'warm and fuzzy' with reduced juice and 30% less winners... 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by mel2233:

    Like the plays today Bodio. Love to read the writeups everyday. Keep up the good work! Any opinion on Texas today? I was thinking of taking them today as well. Thanks

    Wilson didn't look 'right' last time out. 
    Plus both pitchers are fairly equal.  I think 'value' is on the Angels here.
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    Like the plays today Bodio. Love to read the writeups everyday. Keep up the good work! Any opinion on Texas today? I was thinking of taking them today as well. Thanks

    Wilson didn't look 'right' last time out. 
    Plus both pitchers are fairly equal.  I think 'value' is on the Angels here.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeagueCapper:

    "Here is how to calculate the 1RL. It is two bets: one on the Money Line and one on the Run Line:

    This is mainly used for betting favorites to make your own -1 line (mainly to reduce the juice on larger chalk favorites). Whatever you bet on the money line, whatever the winnings are bet it on the run line.

    Example: Say you liked Minnesota at -155, -1.5 +150 runline

    Bet 155 to win 100 and bet 100 to win 150 on Minnesota -1.5
    You now have Minnesota 1RL for -103 odds instead of -155
    1
    If they win by 2 or more you win $250, if they win by 1 you push. If they lose you lose $255 and not $387.50
    So your risking $255 to win $250, which comes out to be a line of -103

    To do the +1RL, its just the opposite:

    Example: If you liked the Kansas City Royals today, line was +155, +1.5 -140 run line

    Bet $140 to win $100 on the RL, then bet $100 on KC ml to win $155.

    You now have KC +1 for +106 odds instead of -140

    IF KC wins the game you win $255, if they lose by 1 you push, if they lose by 2 or more, you lose $240 and not $357.
    So your risking $240 to win $255 which is a line of +106.

    By using the 1RL Calculator you are saving over 30% and that is what I like. In general I really don't like any bet over -130 odds"


    You are incorrect in your assumptions.  You're forgetting to account for the 30% of wagers that you do NOT win when doing what you're suggesting. From the article that Patriots sent, 30% of all the wins are by 1 run.  To say that you've reduced your juice to -103, without properly accounting for the opportunity cost you've lost on 30% of all the wins, is incorrect.  I understand what you're trying to do, but your thinking about it is flawed. You just can't completely discount that 30% "PUSH-wagers" factor, and not include that in your odds.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeagueCapper:

    "Here is how to calculate the 1RL. It is two bets: one on the Money Line and one on the Run Line:

    This is mainly used for betting favorites to make your own -1 line (mainly to reduce the juice on larger chalk favorites). Whatever you bet on the money line, whatever the winnings are bet it on the run line.

    Example: Say you liked Minnesota at -155, -1.5 +150 runline

    Bet 155 to win 100 and bet 100 to win 150 on Minnesota -1.5
    You now have Minnesota 1RL for -103 odds instead of -155
    1
    If they win by 2 or more you win $250, if they win by 1 you push. If they lose you lose $255 and not $387.50
    So your risking $255 to win $250, which comes out to be a line of -103

    To do the +1RL, its just the opposite:

    Example: If you liked the Kansas City Royals today, line was +155, +1.5 -140 run line

    Bet $140 to win $100 on the RL, then bet $100 on KC ml to win $155.

    You now have KC +1 for +106 odds instead of -140

    IF KC wins the game you win $255, if they lose by 1 you push, if they lose by 2 or more, you lose $240 and not $357.
    So your risking $240 to win $255 which is a line of +106.

    By using the 1RL Calculator you are saving over 30% and that is what I like. In general I really don't like any bet over -130 odds"


    You are incorrect in your assumptions.  You're forgetting to account for the 30% of wagers that you do NOT win when doing what you're suggesting. From the article that Patriots sent, 30% of all the wins are by 1 run.  To say that you've reduced your juice to -103, without properly accounting for the opportunity cost you've lost on 30% of all the wins, is incorrect.  I understand what you're trying to do, but your thinking about it is flawed. You just can't completely discount that 30% "PUSH-wagers" factor, and not include that in your odds.  
     
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    Appreciate your input. Hopefully it wont come in to effect on the cincy game later and we both win. BOL to ya tonight
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    Appreciate your input. Hopefully it wont come in to effect on the cincy game later and we both win. BOL to ya tonight
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bodio:


    I'm confused.  How is it safer?  If it's a 1-run game, you win the bet +1 Unit.  If you bet -1, you push...+/- 0.  I think the mentality that people need to have is that you're looking to maximize profits, not to come out EVEN (which is a push strategy).  

    Let's look at this example here.  I think Cincy has 70% chance of winning this game (that's why I'm betting -165, which is around 62% chance of winning).  So let's compare the 3 different outcomes (ML, RL -1.5, and RL -1 Push-line)

    ML: So out of 10 games, I would win 7 and lose 3.  
    Net Unit gain:+7 units - 4.95 (3*1.65 odds) = +2.05 Units

    RL-1.5: Since 30% of all the wins end up being by 1 run, we have to assume that out of those 7 ML wins, at least 2 will be by 1-run (7 * 30% = 2.1).  So, people that bet the RL (+125 odds) will win 5 games and lose 5.
    Net Unit gain: +6.25 units (5 *1.25) - 5 units = +1.25 Units

    RL -1 (-122 odds): I believe this is what you're suggesting.  So if Cincy wins by 1, it's a push. Keep in mind that you're still laying juice here, but it's not as large as the ML (about 40 cents less).  So now we have a scenario where you win 5, lose 3, and push on 2. 
    Net Unit gain: +5 units - 3.66 (3*1.22) = +1.34 Units


    To me it's pretty clear that ML is the right long-term wager, if my assumption that this bet wins 70% of the time is correct.  Either way, betting RL -1, is something that I don't think is in our favor long-term.  It's something the books designed, to make us feel 'warm and fuzzy' inside about reducing the vig, but is this really the best option??  Gambling is a risk, and we are all programmed to take on a certain amount of risk (at least I assume we are, since we all are gambling).  If we can't stomach certain risk, when the wager warrants it of course, then we should PASS altogether, since we're not convinced that this is a 'good' wager in the first place. (Also sometimes we're not convinced a wager is a good wager, but there could be too much 'value' to pass up...but this is a different discussion for a different time) Either way to try and 'reduce' some risk (only about 40/45 cents worth) and accept 30% of OUR wins as PUSHES is something that I don't particularly find acceptable for ME, hence the reason I primarily bet ML's.  I think long-term, finding the right ML wagers is the right way to go, instead of making myself feel 'warm and fuzzy' with reduced juice and 30% less winners... 



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    I'm confused.  How is it safer?  If it's a 1-run game, you win the bet +1 Unit.  If you bet -1, you push...+/- 0.  I think the mentality that people need to have is that you're looking to maximize profits, not to come out EVEN (which is a push strategy).  

    Let's look at this example here.  I think Cincy has 70% chance of winning this game (that's why I'm betting -165, which is around 62% chance of winning).  So let's compare the 3 different outcomes (ML, RL -1.5, and RL -1 Push-line)

    ML: So out of 10 games, I would win 7 and lose 3.  
    Net Unit gain:+7 units - 4.95 (3*1.65 odds) = +2.05 Units

    RL-1.5: Since 30% of all the wins end up being by 1 run, we have to assume that out of those 7 ML wins, at least 2 will be by 1-run (7 * 30% = 2.1).  So, people that bet the RL (+125 odds) will win 5 games and lose 5.
    Net Unit gain: +6.25 units (5 *1.25) - 5 units = +1.25 Units

    RL -1 (-122 odds): I believe this is what you're suggesting.  So if Cincy wins by 1, it's a push. Keep in mind that you're still laying juice here, but it's not as large as the ML (about 40 cents less).  So now we have a scenario where you win 5, lose 3, and push on 2. 
    Net Unit gain: +5 units - 3.66 (3*1.22) = +1.34 Units


    To me it's pretty clear that ML is the right long-term wager, if my assumption that this bet wins 70% of the time is correct.  Either way, betting RL -1, is something that I don't think is in our favor long-term.  It's something the books designed, to make us feel 'warm and fuzzy' inside about reducing the vig, but is this really the best option??  Gambling is a risk, and we are all programmed to take on a certain amount of risk (at least I assume we are, since we all are gambling).  If we can't stomach certain risk, when the wager warrants it of course, then we should PASS altogether, since we're not convinced that this is a 'good' wager in the first place. (Also sometimes we're not convinced a wager is a good wager, but there could be too much 'value' to pass up...but this is a different discussion for a different time) Either way to try and 'reduce' some risk (only about 40/45 cents worth) and accept 30% of OUR wins as PUSHES is something that I don't particularly find acceptable for ME, hence the reason I primarily bet ML's.  I think long-term, finding the right ML wagers is the right way to go, instead of making myself feel 'warm and fuzzy' with reduced juice and 30% less winners... 



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