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    ProudJagsfan
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2017 - 1:42 PM ET #1

    2-0 YTD +$220


    Notable Lines:


    Mets +111 (must close at +110 or lower)

    Jays +174 (must close +140 or lower)

    Twins +102 (must close at +101 or lower)

    A's +115 (must close at +114 or lower)


    Lock in when  you feel comfortable.  Last night the Rays were able to be locked in rather early.  Dogs can only be +140 at the max, therefore the Jays need to close at +140 or lower.  Favorites, it's -150.
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    2-0 YTD +$220


    Notable Lines:


    Mets +111 (must close at +110 or lower)

    Jays +174 (must close +140 or lower)

    Twins +102 (must close at +101 or lower)

    A's +115 (must close at +114 or lower)


    Lock in when  you feel comfortable.  Last night the Rays were able to be locked in rather early.  Dogs can only be +140 at the max, therefore the Jays need to close at +140 or lower.  Favorites, it's -150.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2017 - 1:43 PM ET #2

    This is his explanation: 


    The manipulated game system is built around a couple key concepts used by lines makers and books to make money, and by successful bettors to make money.  It's a best of both worlds system.


    The first thing we look at is the opening line.  This is the KEY and biggest thing that separates this system from most other contrarian systems.  We're using the win probabilities 538 has calculated for us to calculate our ROI's with.  For a team to be added to the "notable lines" they MUST be a team with under a 50% win probability deemed by 538 and have an ROI of at least -7%.  ROIs are used because they are a calculation of how much the line has to move rather than just taking all games that have a negative move.  Lines have to move more or less to move a 1% in ROI based on their % to win and their price.  It's not the same amount for every game, that's why we use the ROI calculation.  


    The way we calculate ROI's is taking the win probability and multiplying by the line.


    Example.  


    A's 39% +115.  (39 x 115) = 4485.  This is the amount of money we have won out of 100 games.


    Now we calculate the losses, which is just taking the other teams win %, which is 61% and multiplying 61 x 100, which are your losses which gives you -6100.


    You add 4485 and -6100 which gives you -1615 divide by 100, which gives you 16%.


    This is your opening ROI and since -16% is greater than -7% it's a "notable line"

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    This is his explanation: 


    The manipulated game system is built around a couple key concepts used by lines makers and books to make money, and by successful bettors to make money.  It's a best of both worlds system.


    The first thing we look at is the opening line.  This is the KEY and biggest thing that separates this system from most other contrarian systems.  We're using the win probabilities 538 has calculated for us to calculate our ROI's with.  For a team to be added to the "notable lines" they MUST be a team with under a 50% win probability deemed by 538 and have an ROI of at least -7%.  ROIs are used because they are a calculation of how much the line has to move rather than just taking all games that have a negative move.  Lines have to move more or less to move a 1% in ROI based on their % to win and their price.  It's not the same amount for every game, that's why we use the ROI calculation.  


    The way we calculate ROI's is taking the win probability and multiplying by the line.


    Example.  


    A's 39% +115.  (39 x 115) = 4485.  This is the amount of money we have won out of 100 games.


    Now we calculate the losses, which is just taking the other teams win %, which is 61% and multiplying 61 x 100, which are your losses which gives you -6100.


    You add 4485 and -6100 which gives you -1615 divide by 100, which gives you 16%.


    This is your opening ROI and since -16% is greater than -7% it's a "notable line"

     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2017 - 1:44 PM ET #3

    Somebody once asked, well why are we taking the teams, that 538 has projected to lose.  Doesn't that just mean their projections are off?  You could look at it that way, but considering there are other variables, such as (x) which Barney alluded to, it's hard to justify them being off when their projections mainly take statistics and some of more predictable variables such as travel and starting pitching into consideration.  Database and number enthusiasts would be in the same ball park for an expected win % based off the same factors that aren't necessarily the kind of factors that change with real time like weather, psyche of a players. etc.  That's why we also rely on the line movements also.  They help us get a good idea of some of those game time variables and how much they affect or don't affect the game.  These teams will almost always have less bet tickets which would make the move an RLM, which is always a good thing.


    The cool thing about baseball is that the lines don't have to move in relation to one another like a spread.  The lines can be adjusted more for one team than another.  That's how the money is made for the books.  They can cut the line down more on what's deemed to be the sharp side, and less on the square side.



    When they lose, they have already minimized their losses by cutting out the value from the opening line, it's almost like they expect to lose.  If a line jumps back up, it could have just been an "off line" and for us it's considered a no play, and for the books it still doesn't hurt them back that much because when it jumps up, since it already opened so low, it may end up at the point it was supposed to start at to begin with.  Pinnacle has even made it public many times that they're cool with losing to the sharps.  They rely on the sharps to shape their lines, and their goals to rape the public, and they do.


    Most all these plays are not only sharp plays, but their the most "off or manipulated" plays.  They're the plays that are intended to bait you into betting the favorite at low price.  


    To beat the books, you have to think like them too.

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    Somebody once asked, well why are we taking the teams, that 538 has projected to lose.  Doesn't that just mean their projections are off?  You could look at it that way, but considering there are other variables, such as (x) which Barney alluded to, it's hard to justify them being off when their projections mainly take statistics and some of more predictable variables such as travel and starting pitching into consideration.  Database and number enthusiasts would be in the same ball park for an expected win % based off the same factors that aren't necessarily the kind of factors that change with real time like weather, psyche of a players. etc.  That's why we also rely on the line movements also.  They help us get a good idea of some of those game time variables and how much they affect or don't affect the game.  These teams will almost always have less bet tickets which would make the move an RLM, which is always a good thing.


    The cool thing about baseball is that the lines don't have to move in relation to one another like a spread.  The lines can be adjusted more for one team than another.  That's how the money is made for the books.  They can cut the line down more on what's deemed to be the sharp side, and less on the square side.



    When they lose, they have already minimized their losses by cutting out the value from the opening line, it's almost like they expect to lose.  If a line jumps back up, it could have just been an "off line" and for us it's considered a no play, and for the books it still doesn't hurt them back that much because when it jumps up, since it already opened so low, it may end up at the point it was supposed to start at to begin with.  Pinnacle has even made it public many times that they're cool with losing to the sharps.  They rely on the sharps to shape their lines, and their goals to rape the public, and they do.


    Most all these plays are not only sharp plays, but their the most "off or manipulated" plays.  They're the plays that are intended to bait you into betting the favorite at low price.  


    To beat the books, you have to think like them too.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2017 - 1:46 PM ET #4

    good- no more pasting in from emails or word docs - paste into notepad first as to strip out the html hidden on the clipboard.

    Oh and when the plays are official and meet the criteria please post them even if it is a minute before first pitch. 

    Otherwise they are just notable lines. Thanks Jags Fan.
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    good- no more pasting in from emails or word docs - paste into notepad first as to strip out the html hidden on the clipboard.

    Oh and when the plays are official and meet the criteria please post them even if it is a minute before first pitch. 

    Otherwise they are just notable lines. Thanks Jags Fan.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2017 - 1:52 PM ET #5

    Lock in when you feel comfortable that the line won't go back up. Good rule of thumb is 10-15 dollar drop. If that drop doesn't happen then you'll have to wait until right before game time. He will be busy but i'll try to be here right before game time so that everything is clear. But everything should be clear already. The instructions are right here and here's the link to the odds page for pinnacle: https://www.pinnacle.com/en/odds/match/baseball/usa/mlb#height


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    Lock in when you feel comfortable that the line won't go back up. Good rule of thumb is 10-15 dollar drop. If that drop doesn't happen then you'll have to wait until right before game time. He will be busy but i'll try to be here right before game time so that everything is clear. But everything should be clear already. The instructions are right here and here's the link to the odds page for pinnacle: https://www.pinnacle.com/en/odds/match/baseball/usa/mlb#height


     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2017 - 1:57 PM ET #6

    Damn bro please keep a low profile.. I just realized who the 1515 was
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    Damn bro please keep a low profile.. I just realized who the 1515 was
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2017 - 1:58 PM ET #7

    Thanks to you sir & Mr. 1515 too!
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    Thanks to you sir & Mr. 1515 too!
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2017 - 2:01 PM ET #8

    So in your example with the A's how much does the line have to move to make them an official play ?
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    So in your example with the A's how much does the line have to move to make them an official play ?
     
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    Instructions are perfectly clear Jags. Folks just have to take time out to watch lines every so often if they're serious about this system. I wake up as early as 5am to start my busy day and sometimes don't get home til 8pm but, I keep watch on my stock account and my wagering lines quite often so that I won't " miss a beat " . Thanks Jags ....
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    Instructions are perfectly clear Jags. Folks just have to take time out to watch lines every so often if they're serious about this system. I wake up as early as 5am to start my busy day and sometimes don't get home til 8pm but, I keep watch on my stock account and my wagering lines quite often so that I won't " miss a beat " . Thanks Jags ....
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2017 - 2:07 PM ET #11

    Who was 1515??
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    Who was 1515??
     
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    Well, I understand the formula, and I understand that this was probably prepared some time ago, but as of today the A's have won 44% of their games. The formula allows nothing regarding the game itself. You have a relatively weak pitcher in Cotton, facing a complete unknown in Scribner, on the road (32%) and nothing else. Frankly, it reeks of mathematical voodoo aimed at fading the public. 

    It also looks much too convenient to be able to throw out an apparent play because it did not close at the right number. It would be much more valuable to say "play it at this number"  Use it every day for the balance of the season and I will reassess it. 
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    Well, I understand the formula, and I understand that this was probably prepared some time ago, but as of today the A's have won 44% of their games. The formula allows nothing regarding the game itself. You have a relatively weak pitcher in Cotton, facing a complete unknown in Scribner, on the road (32%) and nothing else. Frankly, it reeks of mathematical voodoo aimed at fading the public. 

    It also looks much too convenient to be able to throw out an apparent play because it did not close at the right number. It would be much more valuable to say "play it at this number"  Use it every day for the balance of the season and I will reassess it. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2017 - 2:10 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by DialedCaper7:

    Who was 1515??
    The son of 1414
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    Quote Originally Posted by DialedCaper7:

    Who was 1515??
    The son of 1414
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2017 - 2:13 PM ET #14

    Barney, why do you wait for a square bump? I don't think this is a requirement of the system. As long as there is a sharp takeback after the initial line, that's all that is needed. 
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    Barney, why do you wait for a square bump? I don't think this is a requirement of the system. As long as there is a sharp takeback after the initial line, that's all that is needed. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    Well, I understand the formula, and I understand that this was probably prepared some time ago, but as of today the A's have won 44% of their games. The formula allows nothing regarding the game itself. You have a relatively weak pitcher in Cotton, facing a complete unknown in Scribner, on the road (32%) and nothing else. Frankly, it reeks of mathematical voodoo aimed at fading the public. 

    It also looks much too convenient to be able to throw out an apparent play because it did not close at the right number. It would be much more valuable to say "play it at this number"  Use it every day for the balance of the season and I will reassess it. 

    Wow and then will it get your stamp of approval, O great one?!

    Backtrack the system and see for yourself. The success rate is undeniable and frankly, nobody is asking for any money. All you have to do is do some line watching and this is my buddy sharing a recipe for success that has been working for him for a long time already.

    And again, go promote yourself somewhere else. I'm so sick of your arrogance and disdain, when you constantly show that you don't even understand the system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    Well, I understand the formula, and I understand that this was probably prepared some time ago, but as of today the A's have won 44% of their games. The formula allows nothing regarding the game itself. You have a relatively weak pitcher in Cotton, facing a complete unknown in Scribner, on the road (32%) and nothing else. Frankly, it reeks of mathematical voodoo aimed at fading the public. 

    It also looks much too convenient to be able to throw out an apparent play because it did not close at the right number. It would be much more valuable to say "play it at this number"  Use it every day for the balance of the season and I will reassess it. 

    Wow and then will it get your stamp of approval, O great one?!

    Backtrack the system and see for yourself. The success rate is undeniable and frankly, nobody is asking for any money. All you have to do is do some line watching and this is my buddy sharing a recipe for success that has been working for him for a long time already.

    And again, go promote yourself somewhere else. I'm so sick of your arrogance and disdain, when you constantly show that you don't even understand the system.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DialedCaper7:

    Who was 1515??
    And Key is 1313, father of 1414 but thought it was unlucky to have 13 twice so changed his name to KeyElement.
    The pen is mightier than the pigs
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    Quote Originally Posted by DialedCaper7:

    Who was 1515??
    And Key is 1313, father of 1414 but thought it was unlucky to have 13 twice so changed his name to KeyElement.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2017 - 2:17 PM ET #17

    This is a system devised to side with both the sharps and the books. To side with those who do know about a given game
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    This is a system devised to side with both the sharps and the books. To side with those who do know about a given game
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2017 - 2:22 PM ET #18

    Jags, could you please confirm if the intermediate square bump is needed? Or if all that is needed is the drop in the line? thanks
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    Jags, could you please confirm if the intermediate square bump is needed? Or if all that is needed is the drop in the line? thanks
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2017 - 2:23 PM ET #19

    Key will get a kick out of that one Bean ... too funny.. Twins dropped again ...
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    Key will get a kick out of that one Bean ... too funny.. Twins dropped again ...
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2017 - 2:24 PM ET #20

    Mets starting to drop ...
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    Mets starting to drop ...
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2017 - 2:28 PM ET #21

    Just watch for the line drop: after it drops 10-15 dollars, feel free to lock it in. Otherwise, the given highest allowable closing numbers are posted in the first post above.
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    Just watch for the line drop: after it drops 10-15 dollars, feel free to lock it in. Otherwise, the given highest allowable closing numbers are posted in the first post above.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2017 - 2:33 PM ET #22

    Minny about to SLAM
    No team is as good as it looks when winning nor are they as bad as they look when losing
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    Minny about to SLAM
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2017 - 2:42 PM ET #23

    will ther ebe a new thread posted every day for the picks or will it all be in one? and if so, which one of the many threads will these leans/picks be located in?
    No team is as good as it looks when winning nor are they as bad as they look when losing
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    will ther ebe a new thread posted every day for the picks or will it all be in one? and if so, which one of the many threads will these leans/picks be located in?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2017 - 2:47 PM ET #24

    New thread everyday. Watch for my username
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    New thread everyday. Watch for my username
     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2017 - 2:47 PM ET #25

    this is gonna be fun to watch if it goes like 3-1 or 4-0 or whatever or if it falls on its face and goes 0-2, 0-3....people wil either panic and kill it or if it wins, holy lord will this thread have 22 pages of people mortgaging their homes to bet lol....GL fellas
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    this is gonna be fun to watch if it goes like 3-1 or 4-0 or whatever or if it falls on its face and goes 0-2, 0-3....people wil either panic and kill it or if it wins, holy lord will this thread have 22 pages of people mortgaging their homes to bet lol....GL fellas
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