I don't care how you structure the contract 210 million for him is stupid. A guy with 1 CG gets this money? I would've locked up Zimmermann long term i'd take Zimmermann over Scherzer. Not just for 7 years but for just the next 3 years
Mike Rizzo is starting to become a very arrogant GM. He made a deal with the devil to sign the devil he didn't know. Instead of just signing the devil he knew
Good Riddance to Scherzer as far as i'm concerned and the Nats soon will be down the toilet
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I don't care how you structure the contract 210 million for him is stupid. A guy with 1 CG gets this money? I would've locked up Zimmermann long term i'd take Zimmermann over Scherzer. Not just for 7 years but for just the next 3 years
Mike Rizzo is starting to become a very arrogant GM. He made a deal with the devil to sign the devil he didn't know. Instead of just signing the devil he knew
Good Riddance to Scherzer as far as i'm concerned and the Nats soon will be down the toilet
You don't make a deal with the devil to sign the devil you don't know when all you had to do was pay Jordan Zimmermann. Zimmermann and Scherzer are the same pitcher
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Um HoustonSports to me they do
You don't make a deal with the devil to sign the devil you don't know when all you had to do was pay Jordan Zimmermann. Zimmermann and Scherzer are the same pitcher
You are correct. They don't mean a da.mn thing anymore
Not meaningless, but you do make a very valid point. A good example from last year might be Danny Duffy. A W-L record of 9-12 is not going to impress anyone that is an off-the-top-of-my-head analyst.
But deeper investigation by any analytic metric is going to reveal a lot more. If a guy posts a 16-9 quality start record (per my metrics) with a 2.53 era and only 6.8 hits per 9 innings, he is one hell of a chucker. Coupling that with an identical 16-9 record versus his opposite number (the other starter) tells me the 9-12 "official" W-L record is not at all reflective of the guys ability. All that happened is he took the loss in a bunch of games where his offense failed him. Losing 1-0, 2-1 or 3-2 is not indicative of a pitcher's value.
Duffy, by his absence due to a cracked rib, may even have been the difference between the Royals losing the World Series or winning it. We can never know, but certainly he would have been a tough opponent for any team and in a series that close you just can never know.
I have had a little success at this and I am one of those that totally ignores "official" W-L records.
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Quote Originally Posted by HoustonSports:
You are correct. They don't mean a da.mn thing anymore
Not meaningless, but you do make a very valid point. A good example from last year might be Danny Duffy. A W-L record of 9-12 is not going to impress anyone that is an off-the-top-of-my-head analyst.
But deeper investigation by any analytic metric is going to reveal a lot more. If a guy posts a 16-9 quality start record (per my metrics) with a 2.53 era and only 6.8 hits per 9 innings, he is one hell of a chucker. Coupling that with an identical 16-9 record versus his opposite number (the other starter) tells me the 9-12 "official" W-L record is not at all reflective of the guys ability. All that happened is he took the loss in a bunch of games where his offense failed him. Losing 1-0, 2-1 or 3-2 is not indicative of a pitcher's value.
Duffy, by his absence due to a cracked rib, may even have been the difference between the Royals losing the World Series or winning it. We can never know, but certainly he would have been a tough opponent for any team and in a series that close you just can never know.
I have had a little success at this and I am one of those that totally ignores "official" W-L records.
Win loss record for a pitcher is an absolute meaningless statistic when evaluating a pitchers performance. I agree with Key 100 percent.... I don't look at the win loss records of teams either except to know the standings. Based on strength of schedule, where they played, who they faced and so on they can be terribly misleading as to the true nature of the team at any given time.
As far as Scherzer finding a sucker, we know from history that deals of 7 years or longer for pitchers generally have not worked out well and especially for guys at 30 or older. Max should dominate in the NL Least here the next couple of years but the back end most likely won't be pretty, but as always time will tell.
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Win loss record for a pitcher is an absolute meaningless statistic when evaluating a pitchers performance. I agree with Key 100 percent.... I don't look at the win loss records of teams either except to know the standings. Based on strength of schedule, where they played, who they faced and so on they can be terribly misleading as to the true nature of the team at any given time.
As far as Scherzer finding a sucker, we know from history that deals of 7 years or longer for pitchers generally have not worked out well and especially for guys at 30 or older. Max should dominate in the NL Least here the next couple of years but the back end most likely won't be pretty, but as always time will tell.
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