THEN WHY HAS IT NEVER,EVER,EVER BEEN DONE IN THE PAST?????
BECAUSE THERE WAS AN URGENT NEED YOU MORON
bahahahahaha..well first off thats debatable but i'll humour you...just because theres an urgent need for a solution to something does not mean that we all of a sudden magically have the know-how or ability to come up with said solution in a timely manner.according to anyone that should know about this stuff it is VERY difficult and complex and evolving and you cant just rush it or "think harder" to come up with ways to thwart certain ailments or viruses.
ya dont think that theres a FAAAAAAAAAR MORE urgent need to find cures for cancer??and yet they cant just "try harder" and pop something out in 9 months can they??thats a logical fallacy to the nth degree to suggest that they "really needed to do it" so they were able to pump it out 20 X faster than it might normally take and try and suggest its all safe beyond reasonable doubt.
its like saying "i really need this house built" and expected a team of builders to get it completely done in 5 hours.
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Quote Originally Posted by Ruby664:
THEN WHY HAS IT NEVER,EVER,EVER BEEN DONE IN THE PAST?????
BECAUSE THERE WAS AN URGENT NEED YOU MORON
bahahahahaha..well first off thats debatable but i'll humour you...just because theres an urgent need for a solution to something does not mean that we all of a sudden magically have the know-how or ability to come up with said solution in a timely manner.according to anyone that should know about this stuff it is VERY difficult and complex and evolving and you cant just rush it or "think harder" to come up with ways to thwart certain ailments or viruses.
ya dont think that theres a FAAAAAAAAAR MORE urgent need to find cures for cancer??and yet they cant just "try harder" and pop something out in 9 months can they??thats a logical fallacy to the nth degree to suggest that they "really needed to do it" so they were able to pump it out 20 X faster than it might normally take and try and suggest its all safe beyond reasonable doubt.
its like saying "i really need this house built" and expected a team of builders to get it completely done in 5 hours.
everything we have always understood and known about vaccine development for a century or more just thrown in the trash can as now all of a sudden we have the genius minds and technology capable of getting this stuff done and reliably tested at fuccin warp speed. theres something seriously,tragically wrong with you if you dont see anything wrong with this picture.
Are you a physician or a scientist? Have you read any of the thousands of studies that have been done on this virus? This thing is the most studied item on the goddamn planet bro
Look, I'm not here to convince you one way or the other, I've tried to provide evidence but I can see its not gonna matter. So im gonna just stick to trying to pick winners and leave it at that.
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Quote Originally Posted by melossinglet:
everything we have always understood and known about vaccine development for a century or more just thrown in the trash can as now all of a sudden we have the genius minds and technology capable of getting this stuff done and reliably tested at fuccin warp speed. theres something seriously,tragically wrong with you if you dont see anything wrong with this picture.
Are you a physician or a scientist? Have you read any of the thousands of studies that have been done on this virus? This thing is the most studied item on the goddamn planet bro
Look, I'm not here to convince you one way or the other, I've tried to provide evidence but I can see its not gonna matter. So im gonna just stick to trying to pick winners and leave it at that.
Quote Originally Posted by melossinglet: everything we have always understood and known about vaccine development for a century or more just thrown in the trash can as now all of a sudden we have the genius minds and technology capable of getting this stuff done and reliably tested at fuccin warp speed. theres something seriously,tragically wrong with you if you dont see anything wrong with this picture. Are you a physician or a scientist? Have you read any of the thousands of studies that have been done on this virus? This thing is the most studied item on the goddamn planet bro Look, I'm not here to convince you one way or the other, I've tried to provide evidence but I can see its not gonna matter. So im gonna just stick to trying to pick winners and leave it at that.
no,i am as far from a scientist as it gets..i am just passing on WHAT OTHER MEDICAL EXPERTS/SCIENTISTS have clearly told us in the past about vaccine trialing and development..and now thats all been thrown out the window just because we "need" it to be done faster??it just makes no sense whatsoever.
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Quote Originally Posted by Ruby664:
Quote Originally Posted by melossinglet: everything we have always understood and known about vaccine development for a century or more just thrown in the trash can as now all of a sudden we have the genius minds and technology capable of getting this stuff done and reliably tested at fuccin warp speed. theres something seriously,tragically wrong with you if you dont see anything wrong with this picture. Are you a physician or a scientist? Have you read any of the thousands of studies that have been done on this virus? This thing is the most studied item on the goddamn planet bro Look, I'm not here to convince you one way or the other, I've tried to provide evidence but I can see its not gonna matter. So im gonna just stick to trying to pick winners and leave it at that.
no,i am as far from a scientist as it gets..i am just passing on WHAT OTHER MEDICAL EXPERTS/SCIENTISTS have clearly told us in the past about vaccine trialing and development..and now thats all been thrown out the window just because we "need" it to be done faster??it just makes no sense whatsoever.
100% agree....most doctors were even against rushing the vaccine at first.....almost every doctor early on was like hold on we need to run 1-3 year clinicals with paid volunteers......
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@melossinglet
100% agree....most doctors were even against rushing the vaccine at first.....almost every doctor early on was like hold on we need to run 1-3 year clinicals with paid volunteers......
Does anyone know that this vaccine is only AUTHORIZED, NOT APPROVED by the FDA. It's an EAU. And the only way they are allowed to keep distributing it, is if there is still CURRENTLY a state of emergency. So that's why they are pushing so hard to get the vaccine out quickly. Because the EAU will expire and with states opening up they can't keep a state of emergency intact if there's obviously no emergency anymore. All those Alphabet companies and orgs mentioned are all funded by the gov or by people who put tons of money into this vaccine. So they are going to tout this vaccine like they are told to do. If anyone of those orgs said they weren't sure it would put so much doubt into anyone who is questionable about getting it. They can't say they aren't sure, they'd be cutting their own throats. Not only that, but the only way to get FDA approved after an EAU is to keep the Phase 3 trial going. So think about it. This IS the Phase 3 trial. At Phase 3 the vaccine has to be given to much greater than 3000 people. Which it was before they released it, around 34000 for one company, but they MUST keep Phase 3 going in order to get FDA APPROVED down the road, which can take years. Which means the recipients of the vaccine will not know if they are getting a placebo or not. After testing the real vaccine on 34000+ people, they came back with the results that only 8 still got Covid out of the 17000 that got the real vaccine, but the 17000 that got the placebo, 162 got Covid. That's where they came up with this 95% effective number. They cant obviously keep a Phase 3 trial going when people want the vaccine, but at the same time they must or else they will never get FDA APPROVED.
My mother got the shot and said she felt nothing in the next few days. Her sister got it and couldn't move her arm for about 5 days. I know most people were really sore after or slept all the next day, but a few it was like nothing happened. In my opinion the Placebos are still going out. My doctor just smiled when I asked him that.
I did NOT get vaccinated as I probably won't unless I'm required to do so in order to travel. I do believe the vaccine is safe, but believe me when I say, we are the test subjects here. I highly doubt it is really that effective. Plus it only lasts maybe 6 months and then you need to get vaccinated again. Oh wait, they didn't tell you that part. This isn't a lifetime one-and-done vaccine. This is a bandaid until they can actually study this virus long term and hopefully come out with something that is actually effective in the future. There is no history of this, there is no playbook to go off. They are doing whatever they can to try and just calm people down and at the same time save face for the mess up they've created. They are doing everything from shaming people to guilt tripping people in order to make everyone think this is the only way forward. The fact is when they are pushing something this hard, there's a lot more behind it. Name one medicine that has been required before. Some people don't vaccinate their kids and those kids are still allowed in public schools next to your children, as long as the parent of the non vaccinated signs a waiver. Not you signing a waiver the parent of the non-vaccinated kid. You don't even know about the kid sharing lunch with your child who was never vaccinated for Polio or Measles or TB. Yet this, they are trying to make mandatory with very little history of anything behind it. Think for yourself and realize that there is more behind all this that what they tell you on the news.
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Does anyone know that this vaccine is only AUTHORIZED, NOT APPROVED by the FDA. It's an EAU. And the only way they are allowed to keep distributing it, is if there is still CURRENTLY a state of emergency. So that's why they are pushing so hard to get the vaccine out quickly. Because the EAU will expire and with states opening up they can't keep a state of emergency intact if there's obviously no emergency anymore. All those Alphabet companies and orgs mentioned are all funded by the gov or by people who put tons of money into this vaccine. So they are going to tout this vaccine like they are told to do. If anyone of those orgs said they weren't sure it would put so much doubt into anyone who is questionable about getting it. They can't say they aren't sure, they'd be cutting their own throats. Not only that, but the only way to get FDA approved after an EAU is to keep the Phase 3 trial going. So think about it. This IS the Phase 3 trial. At Phase 3 the vaccine has to be given to much greater than 3000 people. Which it was before they released it, around 34000 for one company, but they MUST keep Phase 3 going in order to get FDA APPROVED down the road, which can take years. Which means the recipients of the vaccine will not know if they are getting a placebo or not. After testing the real vaccine on 34000+ people, they came back with the results that only 8 still got Covid out of the 17000 that got the real vaccine, but the 17000 that got the placebo, 162 got Covid. That's where they came up with this 95% effective number. They cant obviously keep a Phase 3 trial going when people want the vaccine, but at the same time they must or else they will never get FDA APPROVED.
My mother got the shot and said she felt nothing in the next few days. Her sister got it and couldn't move her arm for about 5 days. I know most people were really sore after or slept all the next day, but a few it was like nothing happened. In my opinion the Placebos are still going out. My doctor just smiled when I asked him that.
I did NOT get vaccinated as I probably won't unless I'm required to do so in order to travel. I do believe the vaccine is safe, but believe me when I say, we are the test subjects here. I highly doubt it is really that effective. Plus it only lasts maybe 6 months and then you need to get vaccinated again. Oh wait, they didn't tell you that part. This isn't a lifetime one-and-done vaccine. This is a bandaid until they can actually study this virus long term and hopefully come out with something that is actually effective in the future. There is no history of this, there is no playbook to go off. They are doing whatever they can to try and just calm people down and at the same time save face for the mess up they've created. They are doing everything from shaming people to guilt tripping people in order to make everyone think this is the only way forward. The fact is when they are pushing something this hard, there's a lot more behind it. Name one medicine that has been required before. Some people don't vaccinate their kids and those kids are still allowed in public schools next to your children, as long as the parent of the non vaccinated signs a waiver. Not you signing a waiver the parent of the non-vaccinated kid. You don't even know about the kid sharing lunch with your child who was never vaccinated for Polio or Measles or TB. Yet this, they are trying to make mandatory with very little history of anything behind it. Think for yourself and realize that there is more behind all this that what they tell you on the news.
Because if the country I live in is going to make the quality of life so terrible unless I obey, I would rather have the quality of life to be able to come and go as I please. I really don't think they will make it mandatory. So many law suits will come out of it telling these companies and places to then prove that everyone is vaccinated for EVERYTHING. He might not have Covid but how do you know he doesn't have Measles. They are just trying to keep living the lie they created. Yes, there is a virus, I'm not saying that. But they went so big and so far with this that if they give up the fact that it wasn't as big as they lead on, they would lose all credibility in the future. Plus I really don't think this is probably much more than an alternative Flu vaccine. There's no way a real vaccine came out within a year for a virus they haven't had a chance to study. This is probably a one-size-fits-all vaccine, might work a little bit, but you can't prove it didn't work if you didn't get the virus. Plus they aren't liable for anything if something happens to you. So much pressure on the makers of it. Just push something out the door as fast as possible to beat the next company to market, that hopefully won't kill a lot of people so our stock doesn't drop.
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@jpot34
Because if the country I live in is going to make the quality of life so terrible unless I obey, I would rather have the quality of life to be able to come and go as I please. I really don't think they will make it mandatory. So many law suits will come out of it telling these companies and places to then prove that everyone is vaccinated for EVERYTHING. He might not have Covid but how do you know he doesn't have Measles. They are just trying to keep living the lie they created. Yes, there is a virus, I'm not saying that. But they went so big and so far with this that if they give up the fact that it wasn't as big as they lead on, they would lose all credibility in the future. Plus I really don't think this is probably much more than an alternative Flu vaccine. There's no way a real vaccine came out within a year for a virus they haven't had a chance to study. This is probably a one-size-fits-all vaccine, might work a little bit, but you can't prove it didn't work if you didn't get the virus. Plus they aren't liable for anything if something happens to you. So much pressure on the makers of it. Just push something out the door as fast as possible to beat the next company to market, that hopefully won't kill a lot of people so our stock doesn't drop.
jpot34, I have tried to do some de-programming here on Covers for what it's worth. But the delusional person rejects reality. "Obey the rules" becomes more important than questioning if the rules make sense or were legitimate to begin with. Delusion is believing something that doesn't conform with reality.
So we now have widespread insanity caused by a delusional fear of Covid. Even when statistics point to an extremely low fatality rate, people are still terrorized by the chokehold of irrational fear. Or you could say it's a media created virus/pandemic that's created this outdoor insane asylum we now live in.
"The whole aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblems, all of them imaginary." H.L. Mencke. Btw, looks like the UT/Bost game will be close to the end.
Relax. I'm unvaxxed!
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@jpot34
jpot34, I have tried to do some de-programming here on Covers for what it's worth. But the delusional person rejects reality. "Obey the rules" becomes more important than questioning if the rules make sense or were legitimate to begin with. Delusion is believing something that doesn't conform with reality.
So we now have widespread insanity caused by a delusional fear of Covid. Even when statistics point to an extremely low fatality rate, people are still terrorized by the chokehold of irrational fear. Or you could say it's a media created virus/pandemic that's created this outdoor insane asylum we now live in.
"The whole aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblems, all of them imaginary." H.L. Mencke. Btw, looks like the UT/Bost game will be close to the end.
Some good points - but did you know that the reason hydroxichloriquine was demonized was to remove a safe and effective treatment for coronavirus (and cheap) so that big pharma would have a reason (no alternative treatment) to get "emergency approval" for the fake vaccines? It's all been planned out so that people will be held hostage until they get the jabs.
Relax. I'm unvaxxed!
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@elsharko1
Some good points - but did you know that the reason hydroxichloriquine was demonized was to remove a safe and effective treatment for coronavirus (and cheap) so that big pharma would have a reason (no alternative treatment) to get "emergency approval" for the fake vaccines? It's all been planned out so that people will be held hostage until they get the jabs.
@jpot34 jpot34, I have tried to do some de-programming here on Covers for what it's worth. But the delusional person rejects reality. "Obey the rules" becomes more important than questioning if the rules make sense or were legitimate to begin with. Delusion is believing something that doesn't conform with reality. So we now have widespread insanity caused by a delusional fear of Covid. Even when statistics point to an extremely low fatality rate, people are still terrorized by the chokehold of irrational fear. Or you could say it's a media created virus/pandemic that's created this outdoor insane asylum we now live in. "The whole aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblems, all of them imaginary." H.L. Mencke. Btw, looks like the UT/Bost game will be close to the end.
..people in a state of panic/fear do not think straight/rationally and always turn immediately to the authority figures they have been conditioned to obey their whole lives for guidance..there is so much fear-por.n these past decades that average folk are traumatised and living a meek,fearful existence..this scenario makes them awfully obedient/compliant and looking to their "masters" at every turn for what to do.
thats how you end up with dudes like ruby who just swallow it all up without any question whatsoever instead of going "hmm,hang on a minute.something doesnt quite add up here"....its orwells 1984 come to life.we are at war with eurasia this week,trust me....vaccines can now safely be developed in under 12 months,trust me.
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Quote Originally Posted by mctrap:
@jpot34 jpot34, I have tried to do some de-programming here on Covers for what it's worth. But the delusional person rejects reality. "Obey the rules" becomes more important than questioning if the rules make sense or were legitimate to begin with. Delusion is believing something that doesn't conform with reality. So we now have widespread insanity caused by a delusional fear of Covid. Even when statistics point to an extremely low fatality rate, people are still terrorized by the chokehold of irrational fear. Or you could say it's a media created virus/pandemic that's created this outdoor insane asylum we now live in. "The whole aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblems, all of them imaginary." H.L. Mencke. Btw, looks like the UT/Bost game will be close to the end.
..people in a state of panic/fear do not think straight/rationally and always turn immediately to the authority figures they have been conditioned to obey their whole lives for guidance..there is so much fear-por.n these past decades that average folk are traumatised and living a meek,fearful existence..this scenario makes them awfully obedient/compliant and looking to their "masters" at every turn for what to do.
thats how you end up with dudes like ruby who just swallow it all up without any question whatsoever instead of going "hmm,hang on a minute.something doesnt quite add up here"....its orwells 1984 come to life.we are at war with eurasia this week,trust me....vaccines can now safely be developed in under 12 months,trust me.
Wow, that makes a lot of sense now, I know they demonized it for a reason, and that reason had to be money somewhere, but I didn't know that. Yea, because they couldn't have gotten an EAU without there being no other alternative. I hadn't put that one together yet. Thanks.
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@mctrap
Wow, that makes a lot of sense now, I know they demonized it for a reason, and that reason had to be money somewhere, but I didn't know that. Yea, because they couldn't have gotten an EAU without there being no other alternative. I hadn't put that one together yet. Thanks.
It's like nobody ever saw, They Live or Outbreak or Contagion. It's hard to do your own research now because a lot is suppressed and impossible to find. But if you can't at least question WTF is going on here, and realize that the gov doesn't always have your best interest at heart. I mean name one time in history that the people banning free speech or banning books ended up being the good guys. I'm sure those US Navy men who watched that nuclear bomb go off in the ocean and were just told not to look at the bright light, all realize that the gov didn't really have their best interest at heart. And when people say that science is settled. Most of it is not settled. If it was then we'd still be getting heroin for headaches and cigarettes would still be healthy. Science is always changing and even gravity is just a THEORY! Hasn't been proven wrong yet. But Doctors have a "Practice" and most of science is theory! And as much as I like to gamble, I really don't want to gamble with unproven theories (rushed unproven vaccines).
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It's like nobody ever saw, They Live or Outbreak or Contagion. It's hard to do your own research now because a lot is suppressed and impossible to find. But if you can't at least question WTF is going on here, and realize that the gov doesn't always have your best interest at heart. I mean name one time in history that the people banning free speech or banning books ended up being the good guys. I'm sure those US Navy men who watched that nuclear bomb go off in the ocean and were just told not to look at the bright light, all realize that the gov didn't really have their best interest at heart. And when people say that science is settled. Most of it is not settled. If it was then we'd still be getting heroin for headaches and cigarettes would still be healthy. Science is always changing and even gravity is just a THEORY! Hasn't been proven wrong yet. But Doctors have a "Practice" and most of science is theory! And as much as I like to gamble, I really don't want to gamble with unproven theories (rushed unproven vaccines).
@jpot34 @elsharko1 @melossinglet @mctrap Lol you guys should start your own cult...
ONCE AGAIN,ad hominem/ridicule...you literally do not have the brainpower to think for yourself and refute the fairly logical issues being raised here.nothing "cultish" about a perfectly rational,linear thought process as layed out up above.best of luck if you got the jab.you might just need it.
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Quote Originally Posted by Ruby664:
@jpot34 @elsharko1 @melossinglet @mctrap Lol you guys should start your own cult...
ONCE AGAIN,ad hominem/ridicule...you literally do not have the brainpower to think for yourself and refute the fairly logical issues being raised here.nothing "cultish" about a perfectly rational,linear thought process as layed out up above.best of luck if you got the jab.you might just need it.
Thank u mctrap, melo, jpot and sharko reading your posts has restored my faith, that not all my fellow Americans are sheep that listen to whatever mainstream media spews.
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Thank u mctrap, melo, jpot and sharko reading your posts has restored my faith, that not all my fellow Americans are sheep that listen to whatever mainstream media spews.
Thank u mctrap, melo, jpot and sharko reading your posts has restored my faith, that not all my fellow Americans are sheep that listen to whatever mainstream media spews.
someone help, quick! The morons are reproducing!!
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Thank u mctrap, melo, jpot and sharko reading your posts has restored my faith, that not all my fellow Americans are sheep that listen to whatever mainstream media spews.
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