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    4 reasons you shouldn't be afraid to bet on the Clippers

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    begginerboy
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    Posted: Apr. 27, 2014 - 4:57 AM ET #1

    1) They are clearly the better team. Except for game 1 (where refs got involved) and a late game collapse in game 3, they have proven it. Folks, despite what the networks want you to think, this is not the Grizz vs OKC. This is more like David v Goliath (without the happy ending).

    2) The recent controversy will bring the team together, like soldiers in a war that must stick together to survive.

    3) The league no longer cares to extend this series (they already have several good series going). In fact, the sooner it ends the better for everyone. I promise you if they could get the Clips off the air now they would. The next best thing is a quick 5 game series, and then we don't have to see them for another week. This is also the best thing for the players who simply want to get off the stage (and out of the media spotlight) and regroup. 

    4) Seeing the Thunder and Grizz fighting it out is another incentive to end this thing quickly, rest (Paul is a bit banged up) and await the winner of that heavy weight fight.


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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    1) They are clearly the better team. Except for game 1 (where refs got involved) and a late game collapse in game 3, they have proven it. Folks, despite what the networks want you to think, this is not the Grizz vs OKC. This is more like David v Goliath (without the happy ending).

    2) The recent controversy will bring the team together, like soldiers in a war that must stick together to survive.

    3) The league no longer cares to extend this series (they already have several good series going). In fact, the sooner it ends the better for everyone. I promise you if they could get the Clips off the air now they would. The next best thing is a quick 5 game series, and then we don't have to see them for another week. This is also the best thing for the players who simply want to get off the stage (and out of the media spotlight) and regroup. 

    4) Seeing the Thunder and Grizz fighting it out is another incentive to end this thing quickly, rest (Paul is a bit banged up) and await the winner of that heavy weight fight.


     
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    Posted: Apr. 27, 2014 - 5:03 AM ET #2

    soldiers in a war who were under a platoon-leader that thought they were worthless n****r's would probably abandon the war and beat the dude to death with the barrels of their shot-guns...then go take a holiday someplace nice and quiet.
    valid points tho....
    hard to ever find a reason to back the warriors
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    soldiers in a war who were under a platoon-leader that thought they were worthless n****r's would probably abandon the war and beat the dude to death with the barrels of their shot-guns...then go take a holiday someplace nice and quiet.
    valid points tho....
    hard to ever find a reason to back the warriors
     
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    Posted: Apr. 27, 2014 - 5:05 AM ET #3

    Are you taking clips in game 3?
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    Are you taking clips in game 3?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 27, 2014 - 5:05 AM ET #4

    Game four i mean
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    Game four i mean
     
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    Posted: Apr. 27, 2014 - 5:11 AM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by melossinglet:

    soldiers in a war who were under a platoon-leader that thought they were worthless n****r's would probably abandon the war and beat the dude to death with the barrels of their shot-guns...then go take a holiday someplace nice and quiet.
    valid points tho....
    hard to ever find a reason to back the warriors

    Nice theory, but does that ever happen in reality? Don't think so, "platoon-leader" is behind closed doors. If Doc were to have such comments on the other hand (obviously not because he's black), then that'd be a different story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by melossinglet:

    soldiers in a war who were under a platoon-leader that thought they were worthless n****r's would probably abandon the war and beat the dude to death with the barrels of their shot-guns...then go take a holiday someplace nice and quiet.
    valid points tho....
    hard to ever find a reason to back the warriors

    Nice theory, but does that ever happen in reality? Don't think so, "platoon-leader" is behind closed doors. If Doc were to have such comments on the other hand (obviously not because he's black), then that'd be a different story.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 27, 2014 - 5:42 AM ET #6

    But don't u think warriors will win 1 game at home? If this go back to clips, it will end there. I think it will be 4-2.
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    But don't u think warriors will win 1 game at home? If this go back to clips, it will end there. I think it will be 4-2.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 27, 2014 - 8:27 AM ET #7




    Did you end up pulling the all-in trigger on the OKC ML?

    At 75-80 Memphis, I thought there was no way...I was really feeling for ya if you were all in murmuring "this is it for him" (feeling for myself too since I hit up the OKC ML but for not nearly the amount you did).

    That line opened at 3 almost everywhere and got to 3.5 ( so the OKC side either paid nothing or lost for the overwhelming majority of bettors if not on the ML (which was the right bet).  Unbelievably sharp line (if not a line that should have ropes in OKC backers only to hose them). 

    I kept thinking about your 'low IQ" statement concerning OKC. Some of the shot selection by Durant is baffling and really hurts the team. And what a no show game for him in the biggest one of the year. And Westbrook, although wild, follows up a lot of his shots for crazy tip ins and disrupts the rebound for the opposing team so I can't fault him for it. He's got unreal hustle. Memphis is an incredibly rock solid team though. My money for their play is worth it.

    And how about the spurs series bet. I knew the ball was going to vince. He did that many years for the nets. Dirk is to long and worry to pull that shot off. Vince has no problem with the catch and shoot where he got it (reminded me al Ray's 3 against the spurs in game 6).



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    Did you end up pulling the all-in trigger on the OKC ML?

    At 75-80 Memphis, I thought there was no way...I was really feeling for ya if you were all in murmuring "this is it for him" (feeling for myself too since I hit up the OKC ML but for not nearly the amount you did).

    That line opened at 3 almost everywhere and got to 3.5 ( so the OKC side either paid nothing or lost for the overwhelming majority of bettors if not on the ML (which was the right bet).  Unbelievably sharp line (if not a line that should have ropes in OKC backers only to hose them). 

    I kept thinking about your 'low IQ" statement concerning OKC. Some of the shot selection by Durant is baffling and really hurts the team. And what a no show game for him in the biggest one of the year. And Westbrook, although wild, follows up a lot of his shots for crazy tip ins and disrupts the rebound for the opposing team so I can't fault him for it. He's got unreal hustle. Memphis is an incredibly rock solid team though. My money for their play is worth it.

    And how about the spurs series bet. I knew the ball was going to vince. He did that many years for the nets. Dirk is to long and worry to pull that shot off. Vince has no problem with the catch and shoot where he got it (reminded me al Ray's 3 against the spurs in game 6).



     
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    Posted: Apr. 27, 2014 - 8:34 AM ET #8

    I'm betting the Clippers because of Doc Rivers. Agree with most of the points made above, but for me it comes down to the coach in this type of situation. Got to watch him in Boston. The players like, respect, and, most importantly, play hard for him. He'll have the team focused and united.
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    I'm betting the Clippers because of Doc Rivers. Agree with most of the points made above, but for me it comes down to the coach in this type of situation. Got to watch him in Boston. The players like, respect, and, most importantly, play hard for him. He'll have the team focused and united.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 27, 2014 - 8:44 AM ET #9

    Doc is for sure a coach that is up to the task and respected by his players. 
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    Doc is for sure a coach that is up to the task and respected by his players. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 27, 2014 - 8:59 AM ET #10

    Listen to Baron Davis comments on Sterling and he effect he had over his play and he teams play when he is present  over the years .Could be why he Clip have been a underperformer in the playoffs in recent years .Distractions  are always a cause for teams to lose focus, , I would think that this team would be affected by all this bad press ,add to that . GS is in a must must win at home today ,which is always a dangerous spot for opposing teams .This series especially for me even before the sterling thing,I thought that GS only shot was to win this game at home .Most matchups ,I don't feel must wins so early in the series Clip will find a way to win the series but today the series gets even 2-2

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    Listen to Baron Davis comments on Sterling and he effect he had over his play and he teams play when he is present  over the years .Could be why he Clip have been a underperformer in the playoffs in recent years .Distractions  are always a cause for teams to lose focus, , I would think that this team would be affected by all this bad press ,add to that . GS is in a must must win at home today ,which is always a dangerous spot for opposing teams .This series especially for me even before the sterling thing,I thought that GS only shot was to win this game at home .Most matchups ,I don't feel must wins so early in the series Clip will find a way to win the series but today the series gets even 2-2

     
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    Posted: Apr. 27, 2014 - 9:42 AM ET #11

    Beginner I am 100 percent with you -- the NBA needs this series done soon so people quit talking about the Clippers -- Clippers roll hard today
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    Beginner I am 100 percent with you -- the NBA needs this series done soon so people quit talking about the Clippers -- Clippers roll hard today
     
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    Posted: Apr. 27, 2014 - 9:51 AM ET #12

    This will be like the OKC game for me yesterday....wait to watch the 1st qtr and find an entry point in game.  Jumped on OKC PK -119 1st qtr, which was a nail biter to say the least.  Want to see the intensity level of Clippers before betting.  They may have an "us vs the world" mentality, or they may be distracted or disillusioned about winning for a racist owner.  You have to at least consider the latter given that they talked about forfeiting the game.
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    This will be like the OKC game for me yesterday....wait to watch the 1st qtr and find an entry point in game.  Jumped on OKC PK -119 1st qtr, which was a nail biter to say the least.  Want to see the intensity level of Clippers before betting.  They may have an "us vs the world" mentality, or they may be distracted or disillusioned about winning for a racist owner.  You have to at least consider the latter given that they talked about forfeiting the game.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 27, 2014 - 10:28 AM ET #13

    Scal, I thought that was it for me too. And as mentioned, Durant has been chocking like this since last years playoffs, when i kept backing this team. Why do you think i know them so well? The spurs losing really cut into my profits. So okc winning didnt help much, it just aged me and brought me closer to death, which might not be a bad thing.
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    Scal, I thought that was it for me too. And as mentioned, Durant has been chocking like this since last years playoffs, when i kept backing this team. Why do you think i know them so well? The spurs losing really cut into my profits. So okc winning didnt help much, it just aged me and brought me closer to death, which might not be a bad thing.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 27, 2014 - 10:31 AM ET #14

    James, since the clips cant take their anger and hurt out on their owner they will displace it on the warriors, the next best thing. As doc said, their play will be their protest!
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    James, since the clips cant take their anger and hurt out on their owner they will displace it on the warriors, the next best thing. As doc said, their play will be their protest!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    Scal, I thought that was it for me too. And as mentioned, Durant has been chocking like this since last years playoffs, when i kept backing this team. Why do you think i know them so well? The spurs losing really cut into my profits. So okc winning didnt help much, it just aged me and brought me closer to death, which might not be a bad thing.

    BB,

    I'm going to be firm with you because it needs to be said.

    You lack commitment. Commit to a path and that leads to certainty with regard to a choice, no matter the outcome. Certainty leads to confidence. Confidence counters anxiety and gives someone purpose. Purpose then leads to a reason to live and with purpose you wouldn't be feeling the way you are feeling.

    Look at what you've done since in a mere month with regard to lack of commitment:

    1) You POSTED all these great teasing opportunities with tanking teams at the end of season.

    How do I know they were great? I played them and won.

    Then later, you admit (and thanks for the honesty) you never played them! And if you did, they weren't for any real profit!

    2) Then you say you might go all in on the Brooklyn ML in Game 3. 

    Do I EVER endorse doing all in all in on a huge ML. NO! But if it must be done, and I am going to discuss a pick with someone, since I had a write-up on the Brooklyn ML being very strong, if you went all in, that would be the game. I agreed with the pick.

    Did you? No. And that lead you to getting involved in the game later games which cost you dearly.

    3) Now I watch Thunder Grizz thinking you are all-in. The line? It was 3 for me and many others and even got to 3.5 and that would give you a profit of $0 if not a huge loss. What did you say you were going to do? Correctly go all in on the ML. 

    Did you? No.

    Here you say you got involved with the Spurs game which I even pulled back on and that ate into your profits.

    So due to lack of commitment, that's not one mistake, not two mistakes, but THREE HUGE mistakes that would have left you in a MUCH better place bankroll wise than you are now!

    I'm not saying go all in on ML's with crazy bets but more commitment would be nice no?

    It's like your "Covers self" is an angle on your right shoulder with regards to capped games and your "Betting self" is the devil on your left overruling all the good you can do with your bankroll. Your "Betting Self" is sabotaging you.  Let your "Covers self" dominate!

    I'm saying this because you should be winning a lot of money and you just aren't pulling the trigger on bets you clearly LOVE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    Scal, I thought that was it for me too. And as mentioned, Durant has been chocking like this since last years playoffs, when i kept backing this team. Why do you think i know them so well? The spurs losing really cut into my profits. So okc winning didnt help much, it just aged me and brought me closer to death, which might not be a bad thing.

    BB,

    I'm going to be firm with you because it needs to be said.

    You lack commitment. Commit to a path and that leads to certainty with regard to a choice, no matter the outcome. Certainty leads to confidence. Confidence counters anxiety and gives someone purpose. Purpose then leads to a reason to live and with purpose you wouldn't be feeling the way you are feeling.

    Look at what you've done since in a mere month with regard to lack of commitment:

    1) You POSTED all these great teasing opportunities with tanking teams at the end of season.

    How do I know they were great? I played them and won.

    Then later, you admit (and thanks for the honesty) you never played them! And if you did, they weren't for any real profit!

    2) Then you say you might go all in on the Brooklyn ML in Game 3. 

    Do I EVER endorse doing all in all in on a huge ML. NO! But if it must be done, and I am going to discuss a pick with someone, since I had a write-up on the Brooklyn ML being very strong, if you went all in, that would be the game. I agreed with the pick.

    Did you? No. And that lead you to getting involved in the game later games which cost you dearly.

    3) Now I watch Thunder Grizz thinking you are all-in. The line? It was 3 for me and many others and even got to 3.5 and that would give you a profit of $0 if not a huge loss. What did you say you were going to do? Correctly go all in on the ML. 

    Did you? No.

    Here you say you got involved with the Spurs game which I even pulled back on and that ate into your profits.

    So due to lack of commitment, that's not one mistake, not two mistakes, but THREE HUGE mistakes that would have left you in a MUCH better place bankroll wise than you are now!

    I'm not saying go all in on ML's with crazy bets but more commitment would be nice no?

    It's like your "Covers self" is an angle on your right shoulder with regards to capped games and your "Betting self" is the devil on your left overruling all the good you can do with your bankroll. Your "Betting Self" is sabotaging you.  Let your "Covers self" dominate!

    I'm saying this because you should be winning a lot of money and you just aren't pulling the trigger on bets you clearly LOVE.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    James, since the clips cant take their anger and hurt out on their owner they will displace it on the warriors, the next best thing. As doc said, their play will be their protest! 

    As far as the Clips go, I agree completely.



    This situation reminds me so much of the Hawks and their tanking at the end of the year (or what we thought was tanking).


    Everyone (including myself) thought the Hawks were dead and buried as they dropped to a tie with the Knicks for 8th (my pick vs. the Cavs said it all), all while Danny Ferry (not an owner but someone in management) said we don't care about the 8th seed. Now if management doesn't care, how can the players care? They do of course and continue to play on regardless of drafts and the like (just like the Jazz did in the last game of the season in the Wolves debacle to 'almost' lose the 4th pick, which as you noted, they ended up getting).


    Then with the entire world watching, thinking they would fold quickly, and even purposely tank, the Hawks beat some excellent teams to close out the season (teams they couldn't have beaten at one point even if those teams sat their stars) and are now at 2-2 vs. Indy in a 1-8 match-up that is going at least 7.



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    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    James, since the clips cant take their anger and hurt out on their owner they will displace it on the warriors, the next best thing. As doc said, their play will be their protest! 

    As far as the Clips go, I agree completely.



    This situation reminds me so much of the Hawks and their tanking at the end of the year (or what we thought was tanking).


    Everyone (including myself) thought the Hawks were dead and buried as they dropped to a tie with the Knicks for 8th (my pick vs. the Cavs said it all), all while Danny Ferry (not an owner but someone in management) said we don't care about the 8th seed. Now if management doesn't care, how can the players care? They do of course and continue to play on regardless of drafts and the like (just like the Jazz did in the last game of the season in the Wolves debacle to 'almost' lose the 4th pick, which as you noted, they ended up getting).


    Then with the entire world watching, thinking they would fold quickly, and even purposely tank, the Hawks beat some excellent teams to close out the season (teams they couldn't have beaten at one point even if those teams sat their stars) and are now at 2-2 vs. Indy in a 1-8 match-up that is going at least 7.



     
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    What does the world expect the Clippers to do here?


    Tank because it would hurt the guy that owns them (much like it would hurt Ferry in the management position although in this situation, it goes to the top of the mountain in Sterling, not the middle of it).


    But like the Hawks, I think the players have something different in mind.


    They will win and they will win in spite of Sterling as you said.


    What he said on that tape was SO offensive (and go back and give it a listen, it is deep south Civil Rights era talk without the direct slurs!), I think the only way you counter it is not with a statement to the press, but performance in your craft. Take your aggression out with what you do best at. Bring attention to the issue by winning and making the Clippers a bigger national story than they already are. And the media spotlight will burn so bright it will tan Sterling's sour puss frowning face darker than a beat up leather sofa.


    It would make for such an outstanding media circus if the Clippers continued to win while the very same man who defamed the race of those he pays on the court continued to perform in spite of him.



    And what do we have as a bonus in our back pocket?


    Ubuntu which means, "humanity towards others".


    Isn't this tremendous?


    Doc Rivers who won a championship with the Ubuntu philosophy (and make no mistake talent was not enough to win in 2008, Rivers and his unifying coaching philosophy was vital as the players have said many, many times), is now coaching the very team that has an owner who showed NO humanity towards his own team.


    How do the players respond? By doing the opposite and winning on the court.


    They discussed a boycott of the playoffs. 


    What did they choose? To keep playing. 



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    What does the world expect the Clippers to do here?


    Tank because it would hurt the guy that owns them (much like it would hurt Ferry in the management position although in this situation, it goes to the top of the mountain in Sterling, not the middle of it).


    But like the Hawks, I think the players have something different in mind.


    They will win and they will win in spite of Sterling as you said.


    What he said on that tape was SO offensive (and go back and give it a listen, it is deep south Civil Rights era talk without the direct slurs!), I think the only way you counter it is not with a statement to the press, but performance in your craft. Take your aggression out with what you do best at. Bring attention to the issue by winning and making the Clippers a bigger national story than they already are. And the media spotlight will burn so bright it will tan Sterling's sour puss frowning face darker than a beat up leather sofa.


    It would make for such an outstanding media circus if the Clippers continued to win while the very same man who defamed the race of those he pays on the court continued to perform in spite of him.



    And what do we have as a bonus in our back pocket?


    Ubuntu which means, "humanity towards others".


    Isn't this tremendous?


    Doc Rivers who won a championship with the Ubuntu philosophy (and make no mistake talent was not enough to win in 2008, Rivers and his unifying coaching philosophy was vital as the players have said many, many times), is now coaching the very team that has an owner who showed NO humanity towards his own team.


    How do the players respond? By doing the opposite and winning on the court.


    They discussed a boycott of the playoffs. 


    What did they choose? To keep playing. 



     
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    If you keep playing, what is the one thing you want to do to counter what has been said. Win. Why? Because the pursuit of a championship, for the players not the owner, heals wounds. Why sit home and stew and still be pursued by the media about this when you can win on the court at your job, pursue a ring and be pursued by the media about this every minute of every day anyway?


    Winning keeps this issue alive too.


    The longer the Clips play on, the more focus and embarrassment will be brought to the team owner.


    Another layer of intrigue which heightens this: Chris Paul is the president of the NBA player's union and will be the voice box of the players in the coming days with regard to their perspectives.


    Does he want to do it address the controversy:


    1) After being eliminated from the playoffs?

    2) While pursuing a championship?


    2) is the obvious choice as his words would be given more credibility (what psychologists call a 'halo effect' from your performance carrying over to your opinion). 


    And if he doesn't want to address it (and who would), winning keeps it further away from you till a later date.




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    If you keep playing, what is the one thing you want to do to counter what has been said. Win. Why? Because the pursuit of a championship, for the players not the owner, heals wounds. Why sit home and stew and still be pursued by the media about this when you can win on the court at your job, pursue a ring and be pursued by the media about this every minute of every day anyway?


    Winning keeps this issue alive too.


    The longer the Clips play on, the more focus and embarrassment will be brought to the team owner.


    Another layer of intrigue which heightens this: Chris Paul is the president of the NBA player's union and will be the voice box of the players in the coming days with regard to their perspectives.


    Does he want to do it address the controversy:


    1) After being eliminated from the playoffs?

    2) While pursuing a championship?


    2) is the obvious choice as his words would be given more credibility (what psychologists call a 'halo effect' from your performance carrying over to your opinion). 


    And if he doesn't want to address it (and who would), winning keeps it further away from you till a later date.




     
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    I think today will be the huge litmus test for all of what I said and what you said. Beat the Warriors in a must-win game for GS convincingly and you will show the world what you are bringing to the table in these playoffs.



    If they win convincingly today, I'm going to buy up some action for them to win the West, just to take a shot at it.


    Big Bonus: The Spurs and OKC have obvious problems and I would be BIG on the Clips for a great series price if Memphis takes out OKC (which we almost got last night if they went up 3-1, and I REALLY hope that happens at the series price would be very reasonable) in a huge revenge match-up after they knocked them out last year.


    I was going to be on GS today, but not after this. I will load up later if the Clips convince me they have what it takes to use this controversy as a protest instead of something that demoralizes. I looked to GS to have all the momentum in their comeback and then 'no-call' to end the game but now the focus has shifted. This next game will be the test for the Clips. Win convincingly after all they will go far especially since the West's biggest dogs are having trouble with the 7th and 8th seeds (who are very good teams but not nearly as good as who they are up against).


    This may be what brings back all the bacon from the Hawks (for me) and the Jazz (for you) debacle with a very similar storyline: "Players win to spite the higher ups!"


    Today may be the start of something very good BB. Very good in terms of riding this Clips team as a cash train. Win convincingly today and show up how you get off the canvas.


    Let's see how the Clips respond because the West has become of Wild West shootout after yesterday's results!

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    I think today will be the huge litmus test for all of what I said and what you said. Beat the Warriors in a must-win game for GS convincingly and you will show the world what you are bringing to the table in these playoffs.



    If they win convincingly today, I'm going to buy up some action for them to win the West, just to take a shot at it.


    Big Bonus: The Spurs and OKC have obvious problems and I would be BIG on the Clips for a great series price if Memphis takes out OKC (which we almost got last night if they went up 3-1, and I REALLY hope that happens at the series price would be very reasonable) in a huge revenge match-up after they knocked them out last year.


    I was going to be on GS today, but not after this. I will load up later if the Clips convince me they have what it takes to use this controversy as a protest instead of something that demoralizes. I looked to GS to have all the momentum in their comeback and then 'no-call' to end the game but now the focus has shifted. This next game will be the test for the Clips. Win convincingly after all they will go far especially since the West's biggest dogs are having trouble with the 7th and 8th seeds (who are very good teams but not nearly as good as who they are up against).


    This may be what brings back all the bacon from the Hawks (for me) and the Jazz (for you) debacle with a very similar storyline: "Players win to spite the higher ups!"


    Today may be the start of something very good BB. Very good in terms of riding this Clips team as a cash train. Win convincingly today and show up how you get off the canvas.


    Let's see how the Clips respond because the West has become of Wild West shootout after yesterday's results!

     
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    Scal, I have a lot to say but will do it later. You are right about me. Another game I was gonna write-up but didn't and did not even bet on was the Heat yesterday. I did a lot of research and came to the conclusion that they would crush the bobcats. You don't mess with a man's livelihood, which is what the bobcats did (kind of like what the Rockets did to Westbrook, tough not "intentionally"). That is some powerful motivation. But like I said, I was so demoralized after the spurs I didn't even bet it!
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    Scal, I have a lot to say but will do it later. You are right about me. Another game I was gonna write-up but didn't and did not even bet on was the Heat yesterday. I did a lot of research and came to the conclusion that they would crush the bobcats. You don't mess with a man's livelihood, which is what the bobcats did (kind of like what the Rockets did to Westbrook, tough not "intentionally"). That is some powerful motivation. But like I said, I was so demoralized after the spurs I didn't even bet it!
     
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    Posted: Apr. 27, 2014 - 12:01 PM ET #21

    Yet ANOTHER game in the Heat left on the table BB? 

    I could have used that write-up as I wanted to pull the trigger on Miami but didn't have the time cap it fully to do so. 
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    Yet ANOTHER game in the Heat left on the table BB? 

    I could have used that write-up as I wanted to pull the trigger on Miami but didn't have the time cap it fully to do so. 
     
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    I love Golden St today.

     

     

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    I love Golden St today.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 27, 2014 - 12:42 PM ET #23

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:


    BB,

    I'm going to be firm with you because it needs to be said.

    You lack commitment. Commit to a path and that leads to certainty with regard to a choice, no matter the outcome. Certainty leads to confidence. Confidence counters anxiety and gives someone purpose. Purpose then leads to a reason to live and with purpose you wouldn't be feeling the way you are feeling.

    Look at what you've done since in a mere month with regard to lack of commitment:

    1) You POSTED all these great teasing opportunities with tanking teams at the end of season.

    How do I know they were great? I played them and won.

    Then later, you admit (and thanks for the honesty) you never played them! And if you did, they weren't for any real profit!

    2) Then you say you might go all in on the Brooklyn ML in Game 3. 

    Do I EVER endorse doing all in all in on a huge ML. NO! But if it must be done, and I am going to discuss a pick with someone, since I had a write-up on the Brooklyn ML being very strong, if you went all in, that would be the game. I agreed with the pick.

    Did you? No. And that lead you to getting involved in the game later games which cost you dearly.

    3) Now I watch Thunder Grizz thinking you are all-in. The line? It was 3 for me and many others and even got to 3.5 and that would give you a profit of $0 if not a huge loss. What did you say you were going to do? Correctly go all in on the ML. 

    Did you? No.

    Here you say you got involved with the Spurs game which I even pulled back on and that ate into your profits.

    So due to lack of commitment, that's not one mistake, not two mistakes, but THREE HUGE mistakes that would have left you in a MUCH better place bankroll wise than you are now!

    I'm not saying go all in on ML's with crazy bets but more commitment would be nice no?

    It's like your "Covers self" is an angle on your right shoulder with regards to capped games and your "Betting self" is the devil on your left overruling all the good you can do with your bankroll. Your "Betting Self" is sabotaging you.  Let your "Covers self" dominate!

    I'm saying this because you should be winning a lot of money and you just aren't pulling the trigger on bets you clearly LOVE.

    Scal, 

    The advice you give me applies to my entire life! I'm a fairly smart, talented guy and can do (and could have done) a lot more with my life if I just had a sense of purpose. Part of the reason I don't have a purpose is because I don't believe in it; or don't believe in any transcendent sense of purpose, or a transcendent meaning to "purpose." And the idea of giving myself a sense of purpose (or that we choose a purpose, so we can have a reason to go on), instead of liberating me, only cripples me. I often stop just short of success because I'm afraid of succeeding, of being happy, of finding purpose, like all the other schmucks out there that I scoff at and look down on because I see them living in a lie; a big fat lie! I know that a man must believe in something, but what? And why? These questions cling to me like the dandruff on my head and turn every possible joy (and there is no joy when there is no sense of purpose) into joylessness.

    But then, there is the other angel (or "angle," ha, ha, ha, as you put it), telling me that this story I'm telling myself is also a big fat lie. And the only thing out there is a giant void that doesn't give a rat's behind what I think or anyone else thinks, and that, eventually, I must fill this void with some "purpose" (a purpose that I believe in) or die a miserable man. 

    Now, picture this Hamlet like character (me), trying to place a bet. Full of doubt and trepidation (To bet or not to bet, to hedge or not to hedge?) I make a choice. Then question that choice. Then question questioning that choice, and so on...

    You see, my way of thinking, my skeptical disposition, if you will, works against me in the arena of gambling as much as every other arena I've ever dabbled in. I wish I was not cursed to doubt, and to question, which, ironically enough, are my biggest strengths, since I would be nowhere, intellectually, if I did not question or inquire into the nature of things. But I agree, in order to be a successful gambler you must have confidence, and there is no confidence without certainty, and no purpose without confidence. And yet, how can one ever hope to find confidence when one lacks a sense of purpose?

    Thanks for the advice, friend. And I agree with you about the Clippers, this just might turn into a great opportunity for those with a sense of confidence and purpose. And the Thunder, well, they really should have lost that game. And, as you pointed out, I had so many points against this team that I actually thought they had a greater chance of losing than winning. So why did I bet, because of all the things I said before and because a part me wants to be done with this and the only way I can be done is to have no money to play with. I'm a self divided. Not committed to anyone or anything that will take away my freedom to commit to anything else I fear committing myself to; and all this from a married man!

     


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    BB,

    I'm going to be firm with you because it needs to be said.

    You lack commitment. Commit to a path and that leads to certainty with regard to a choice, no matter the outcome. Certainty leads to confidence. Confidence counters anxiety and gives someone purpose. Purpose then leads to a reason to live and with purpose you wouldn't be feeling the way you are feeling.

    Look at what you've done since in a mere month with regard to lack of commitment:

    1) You POSTED all these great teasing opportunities with tanking teams at the end of season.

    How do I know they were great? I played them and won.

    Then later, you admit (and thanks for the honesty) you never played them! And if you did, they weren't for any real profit!

    2) Then you say you might go all in on the Brooklyn ML in Game 3. 

    Do I EVER endorse doing all in all in on a huge ML. NO! But if it must be done, and I am going to discuss a pick with someone, since I had a write-up on the Brooklyn ML being very strong, if you went all in, that would be the game. I agreed with the pick.

    Did you? No. And that lead you to getting involved in the game later games which cost you dearly.

    3) Now I watch Thunder Grizz thinking you are all-in. The line? It was 3 for me and many others and even got to 3.5 and that would give you a profit of $0 if not a huge loss. What did you say you were going to do? Correctly go all in on the ML. 

    Did you? No.

    Here you say you got involved with the Spurs game which I even pulled back on and that ate into your profits.

    So due to lack of commitment, that's not one mistake, not two mistakes, but THREE HUGE mistakes that would have left you in a MUCH better place bankroll wise than you are now!

    I'm not saying go all in on ML's with crazy bets but more commitment would be nice no?

    It's like your "Covers self" is an angle on your right shoulder with regards to capped games and your "Betting self" is the devil on your left overruling all the good you can do with your bankroll. Your "Betting Self" is sabotaging you.  Let your "Covers self" dominate!

    I'm saying this because you should be winning a lot of money and you just aren't pulling the trigger on bets you clearly LOVE.

    Scal, 

    The advice you give me applies to my entire life! I'm a fairly smart, talented guy and can do (and could have done) a lot more with my life if I just had a sense of purpose. Part of the reason I don't have a purpose is because I don't believe in it; or don't believe in any transcendent sense of purpose, or a transcendent meaning to "purpose." And the idea of giving myself a sense of purpose (or that we choose a purpose, so we can have a reason to go on), instead of liberating me, only cripples me. I often stop just short of success because I'm afraid of succeeding, of being happy, of finding purpose, like all the other schmucks out there that I scoff at and look down on because I see them living in a lie; a big fat lie! I know that a man must believe in something, but what? And why? These questions cling to me like the dandruff on my head and turn every possible joy (and there is no joy when there is no sense of purpose) into joylessness.

    But then, there is the other angel (or "angle," ha, ha, ha, as you put it), telling me that this story I'm telling myself is also a big fat lie. And the only thing out there is a giant void that doesn't give a rat's behind what I think or anyone else thinks, and that, eventually, I must fill this void with some "purpose" (a purpose that I believe in) or die a miserable man. 

    Now, picture this Hamlet like character (me), trying to place a bet. Full of doubt and trepidation (To bet or not to bet, to hedge or not to hedge?) I make a choice. Then question that choice. Then question questioning that choice, and so on...

    You see, my way of thinking, my skeptical disposition, if you will, works against me in the arena of gambling as much as every other arena I've ever dabbled in. I wish I was not cursed to doubt, and to question, which, ironically enough, are my biggest strengths, since I would be nowhere, intellectually, if I did not question or inquire into the nature of things. But I agree, in order to be a successful gambler you must have confidence, and there is no confidence without certainty, and no purpose without confidence. And yet, how can one ever hope to find confidence when one lacks a sense of purpose?

    Thanks for the advice, friend. And I agree with you about the Clippers, this just might turn into a great opportunity for those with a sense of confidence and purpose. And the Thunder, well, they really should have lost that game. And, as you pointed out, I had so many points against this team that I actually thought they had a greater chance of losing than winning. So why did I bet, because of all the things I said before and because a part me wants to be done with this and the only way I can be done is to have no money to play with. I'm a self divided. Not committed to anyone or anything that will take away my freedom to commit to anything else I fear committing myself to; and all this from a married man!

     


     
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    It seems, your reasoning Item 2 is a fighting word. Let's flip the coin, how do you think GS will react this afternoon? smh
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    It seems, your reasoning Item 2 is a fighting word. Let's flip the coin, how do you think GS will react this afternoon? smh
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Copag07:

    It seems, your reasoning Item 2 is a fighting word. Let's flip the coin, how do you think GS will react this afternoon? smh

    The Warriors (without Bogut) are lightweights. They know (in the back of their minds) that even if they win this game they aint going anywhere; only prolonging the inevitable. To me, that subconscious knowledge (in the back of their minds), diminishes (or undermines) some of their motivation for today. Yeah, the dubs will wanna put on a good show for the crowd but the Clippers are gonna wanna win. Is this a bet you go heavy on, no. But you certainly should not back the dubs: unless you like betting on a turnover prone, bad shot selection, poorly coached teams (like the Thunder).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Copag07:

    It seems, your reasoning Item 2 is a fighting word. Let's flip the coin, how do you think GS will react this afternoon? smh

    The Warriors (without Bogut) are lightweights. They know (in the back of their minds) that even if they win this game they aint going anywhere; only prolonging the inevitable. To me, that subconscious knowledge (in the back of their minds), diminishes (or undermines) some of their motivation for today. Yeah, the dubs will wanna put on a good show for the crowd but the Clippers are gonna wanna win. Is this a bet you go heavy on, no. But you certainly should not back the dubs: unless you like betting on a turnover prone, bad shot selection, poorly coached teams (like the Thunder).
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