Quote Originally Posted by nikon:
the answer is we would never know. but prime mj bosh wade and a great shooter ray allen. especially in todays nba where no defense is played and all about offense. And add that the east is super weak. i am pretty sure mj and that cast would easily be the greatest team ever and win more rings then lebron.
and i love how people think this gs team is the best ever. when i think its not. the nba is just weak in general and there are far less talent now then before. even the old age spurs won 65 games that season when gs won 73. people cannot just look at stats. but look at other aspects. there is a reason why lebron is in the finals every year. yea hes good but the east is weak as fuk. even kobe,duncan and mj couldnt make it to the finals every year. why? Simply cuz in those era there was more competition. todays nba is weak. this is a fact. out of all super stars consider to be goat’s. lebron has had the easiest path to the finals.
in my opinion. the fact lebron had to team up with 3 other future hof. then comes back to cleveland when they had like what 3 first round picks? Doesnt belong in mj or even kobe’s level.
of course we dont know,i was just asking for an opinion..i think most opinions would be the same though.
as for jordan on those heat teams,yea i agree that he would not have shrivelled against the mavs the way lebron did...but you are not looking at things in the context in which they occurred..in that loss versus the spurs lebron got basically NO HELP from a broken down wade and mentally fatigued supporting cast,including bosh,plus san antonio was super motivated and playing insane in that series..so im not willing to say that even michael could have carried that group to a win..but for sure that would have been one powerful squad...just as it was with lebron.
you think the game these days is weak in general??wow,im not sure what it is youre even watching...there are more players globally than ever before in history,they are devoting more hours from a younger age to improving their game,they are demonstrably stronger,faster,more well conditioned and concentrate on shooting alot more so are waaay more efficient in that department..and are better at most skills and dexterity etc...look at guys like anthony davis and kevin durant and joel embiid/porzingis and the range of skills they have,there was NOTHING like that in jordans day and absolutely not prior to that..dude,you need to take your rose-tinted glasses off for a minute and look at reality...i too grew up in jordans era and would like to keep thinking its the greatest ever..but guess what,??they have ways of measuring and comparing these things objectively and EVERYTHING points to the average player now being superior to that which played 25 years ago.....just dig up the tapes and have a look at some of the dudes guarding jordan,lots of slow,unathletic white guys and/or guys with limited skills....youre definitely from the "everything was better in my day" school of thinking...the reason that defense looks weak now is because it is SO MUCH HARDER to defend than what it was in jordans day where they just played a more simple isolation or bully-ball game..now everything moves at light speed,you have multiple shooting options spread out all over the court and offenses with much greater intricacy and nuance and counters..defense ISNT weaker,its just much harder to play and the softer rules have made it almost impossible to stop anyone.
im not so sure the warriors are the best all time but they are very,very good by any metric you wanna use..definitely top 5 or 6 im sure....as for lebron not being a better player than kobe??come on man,you make good points but its hard to take you seriously if you say this......wait,youre gonna trot out his finals record,right??yea,ya pretty much have to when the guy gets annihalated in every single statistical category by lebron except for free throw %....points,rebounds,assists,fg %,even 3 point % lebron is a touch better and he supposedly cant shoot at all...steals,blocks,PER....there isnt one thing kobe was better at,correct me if im wrong??..oh but then he beat the incredible sixers,the amazing pacers,the astonishing nets and the juggernaut orlando fugging magic in the finals so that elevates him waaay above lebron,yea??.....oooookay then....you sure you dont want to re-think that claim??cos i would hate to have to point out the actual facts when it comes to "clutch" performance comparison between the 2 of them,the one and only thing kobe fans once tried to hang their hats on.
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