I can understand someone buying a half point especially at critical numbers, if you buy 2 pts on every play you have ever made you are putting yourself at a serious disadvantage by playing every single game at -150 and you have to hit over 60% of your plays to make money.
At -150 if you go 5-5 you lose (150x5) 750, you win (100x5) 500, net loss of 250
If you go 6-4 you break even
at 7-3 you win 250
3-7 you lose 750
At -110 you go 5-5 lose 50
6-4 win 160
7-3 win 370
3-7 lose 470
Buying points is retarded in most cases, buying 2 pts in every single game you play is flat out ridiculous. I challenge anyone who does this to prove to me they make money in the long term buying 2 pts in every game blindly.
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I can understand someone buying a half point especially at critical numbers, if you buy 2 pts on every play you have ever made you are putting yourself at a serious disadvantage by playing every single game at -150 and you have to hit over 60% of your plays to make money.
At -150 if you go 5-5 you lose (150x5) 750, you win (100x5) 500, net loss of 250
If you go 6-4 you break even
at 7-3 you win 250
3-7 you lose 750
At -110 you go 5-5 lose 50
6-4 win 160
7-3 win 370
3-7 lose 470
Buying points is retarded in most cases, buying 2 pts in every single game you play is flat out ridiculous. I challenge anyone who does this to prove to me they make money in the long term buying 2 pts in every game blindly.
I didn't see where this was discussed but whoever brought it up is right than. For every moron that follows pucku they deserve to lose their money, I don't even feel bad for them.
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I didn't see where this was discussed but whoever brought it up is right than. For every moron that follows pucku they deserve to lose their money, I don't even feel bad for them.
I agree 100%. The ONLY time I will by a point is in NFL. The save by the hook is worth it there, were you know that scoring comes in usually 3 or 7 point increments. So in say a 4 point spread it may be worth getting the push. But in hoops, forget about it.
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I agree 100%. The ONLY time I will by a point is in NFL. The save by the hook is worth it there, were you know that scoring comes in usually 3 or 7 point increments. So in say a 4 point spread it may be worth getting the push. But in hoops, forget about it.
I can understand someone buying a half point especially at critical numbers, if you buy 2 pts on every play you have ever made you are putting yourself at a serious disadvantage by playing every single game at -150 and you have to hit over 60% of your plays to make money.
At -150 if you go 5-5 you lose (150x5) 750, you win (100x5) 500, net loss of 250
If you go 6-4 you break even
at 7-3 you win 250
3-7 you lose 750
At -110 you go 5-5 lose 50
6-4 win 160
7-3 win 370
3-7 lose 470
Buying points is retarded in most cases, buying 2 pts in every single game you play is flat out ridiculous. I challenge anyone who does this to prove to me they make money in the long term buying 2 pts in every game blindly.
I play flat bets.
At -150, if I win, it's $66.67 (risking $100), if I lose it's $100 (risking $100)
It's as simple as that.
Damn, that was easy.....
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Quote Originally Posted by arod1186:
I can understand someone buying a half point especially at critical numbers, if you buy 2 pts on every play you have ever made you are putting yourself at a serious disadvantage by playing every single game at -150 and you have to hit over 60% of your plays to make money.
At -150 if you go 5-5 you lose (150x5) 750, you win (100x5) 500, net loss of 250
If you go 6-4 you break even
at 7-3 you win 250
3-7 you lose 750
At -110 you go 5-5 lose 50
6-4 win 160
7-3 win 370
3-7 lose 470
Buying points is retarded in most cases, buying 2 pts in every single game you play is flat out ridiculous. I challenge anyone who does this to prove to me they make money in the long term buying 2 pts in every game blindly.
I play flat bets.
At -150, if I win, it's $66.67 (risking $100), if I lose it's $100 (risking $100)
I agree 100%. The ONLY time I will by a point is in NFL. The save by the hook is worth it there, were you know that scoring comes in usually 3 or 7 point increments. So in say a 4 point spread it may be worth getting the push. But in hoops, forget about it.
In the NFL
I buy 2.5 to 3, 3.5-4 and 6.5-7 when betting underdogs
I buy 3.5 to 3, 4.5-4 and 7.5-7 when betting favorites
That is the lone exception.
In basketball I may buy 4.5 to 4 or 6.5 to 6 If I feel strongly it will be around that number, but if I feel it is going to be that close more often than not I will just lay off.
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Quote Originally Posted by TONYMACK:
I agree 100%. The ONLY time I will by a point is in NFL. The save by the hook is worth it there, were you know that scoring comes in usually 3 or 7 point increments. So in say a 4 point spread it may be worth getting the push. But in hoops, forget about it.
In the NFL
I buy 2.5 to 3, 3.5-4 and 6.5-7 when betting underdogs
I buy 3.5 to 3, 4.5-4 and 7.5-7 when betting favorites
That is the lone exception.
In basketball I may buy 4.5 to 4 or 6.5 to 6 If I feel strongly it will be around that number, but if I feel it is going to be that close more often than not I will just lay off.
At -150, if I win, it's $66.67 (risking $100), if I lose it's $100 (risking $100)
It's as simple as that.
Damn, that was easy.....
Pretty much, you will win 2/3 of what you can possibly lose, so you need to win 3 games for every 2 you lose just to break even. (60%), I'd rather see my break even point be around 50-53% but hey thats just me.
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Quote Originally Posted by VGPOP:
I play flat bets.
At -150, if I win, it's $66.67 (risking $100), if I lose it's $100 (risking $100)
It's as simple as that.
Damn, that was easy.....
Pretty much, you will win 2/3 of what you can possibly lose, so you need to win 3 games for every 2 you lose just to break even. (60%), I'd rather see my break even point be around 50-53% but hey thats just me.
what you dickheads arent explaining is if you win a game that you bought points in that you otherwise would have lost...so if you win 100 instead of losing what would have been 110..your +210 which will allow you to lay 40 extra juice in 5 more losses.
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what you dickheads arent explaining is if you win a game that you bought points in that you otherwise would have lost...so if you win 100 instead of losing what would have been 110..your +210 which will allow you to lay 40 extra juice in 5 more losses.
Find a percentage of times the spread would have lost originally but won with buying 2 pts. It needs to happen 10% of the time for your point to hold water. I don't have raw stats, but I would venture to say it happens less than 5% of the time, especially in games where your taking a team that is already getting 13, don't get me wrong there is remote chance tonight the hawks lose by 14 and he wins where he wouldn't have or 15 and he pushes, I don't think its worth the 40 cents. It is your money though, buy the points and lmk what happens long term. I'm hitting around 70% and I lay 110 max, to me that is how you win money, and if your not in it to win money this is the wrong hobby for you.
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Find a percentage of times the spread would have lost originally but won with buying 2 pts. It needs to happen 10% of the time for your point to hold water. I don't have raw stats, but I would venture to say it happens less than 5% of the time, especially in games where your taking a team that is already getting 13, don't get me wrong there is remote chance tonight the hawks lose by 14 and he wins where he wouldn't have or 15 and he pushes, I don't think its worth the 40 cents. It is your money though, buy the points and lmk what happens long term. I'm hitting around 70% and I lay 110 max, to me that is how you win money, and if your not in it to win money this is the wrong hobby for you.
pucku and makiavelli are not buying points in their real bets!!! they only do it on the forum to get more wins and reputation. I don't have nothing against it as long as they share their thoughts and discuss games together, just like makavelli does. However pucku is a clown.
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pucku and makiavelli are not buying points in their real bets!!! they only do it on the forum to get more wins and reputation. I don't have nothing against it as long as they share their thoughts and discuss games together, just like makavelli does. However pucku is a clown.
The buying of extra points is offered by the oddsmakers for 1 reason and 1 reason only: Its in their benefit.
Laying 1.5 units to win 1 unit every game is rough and you WILL NOT make a long term profit. Like you said...you have to pick 60% to break even. That's crazy.
Key numbers in football are the only times to buy half points. The 3, 7 10 and 14. That's about it.
That's why it's hilarious when people post their picking record. It's very deceiving. Real professional handicappers post their units....not record. Technically speaking...a person could be 2-4 and be up serious money if they hit the 2 winners up hard. And vice versa....a person 4-2 could be down after buying those points.
Gambling 101 my friends.
However....I have to admit....I always buy the half point now. I've lost too many tough games by the hook and swore I'd always buy the half point. With these online sportsbooks now.....the reduced juice isn't so bad. It's usually like 1.16 to win 1.
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The buying of extra points is offered by the oddsmakers for 1 reason and 1 reason only: Its in their benefit.
Laying 1.5 units to win 1 unit every game is rough and you WILL NOT make a long term profit. Like you said...you have to pick 60% to break even. That's crazy.
Key numbers in football are the only times to buy half points. The 3, 7 10 and 14. That's about it.
That's why it's hilarious when people post their picking record. It's very deceiving. Real professional handicappers post their units....not record. Technically speaking...a person could be 2-4 and be up serious money if they hit the 2 winners up hard. And vice versa....a person 4-2 could be down after buying those points.
Gambling 101 my friends.
However....I have to admit....I always buy the half point now. I've lost too many tough games by the hook and swore I'd always buy the half point. With these online sportsbooks now.....the reduced juice isn't so bad. It's usually like 1.16 to win 1.
who cares if someone buys points is the real question here....now i've done it a few times and two times stick out to me that if i didn't buy the two i wouldve lost because of last second three;s when the game is already in hand....
every few months someone on here is always bitching about what others are doing...ITS SAD AS HELL!!! DON'T WORRY WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING!!!
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who cares if someone buys points is the real question here....now i've done it a few times and two times stick out to me that if i didn't buy the two i wouldve lost because of last second three;s when the game is already in hand....
every few months someone on here is always bitching about what others are doing...ITS SAD AS HELL!!! DON'T WORRY WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING!!!
I'm not worried about anything, I'm up a pretty penny picking almost 70% through these playoffs. I just wanted to educate those that think having that 2 pt advantage in your favor is really a detriment to your bankroll, not an asset.
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I'm not worried about anything, I'm up a pretty penny picking almost 70% through these playoffs. I just wanted to educate those that think having that 2 pt advantage in your favor is really a detriment to your bankroll, not an asset.
pucku and makiavelli are not buying points in their real bets!!! they only do it on the forum to get more wins and reputation. I don't have nothing against it as long as they share their thoughts and discuss games together, just like makavelli does. However pucku is a clown.
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Quote Originally Posted by The_Capo:
pucku and makiavelli are not buying points in their real bets!!! they only do it on the forum to get more wins and reputation. I don't have nothing against it as long as they share their thoughts and discuss games together, just like makavelli does. However pucku is a clown.
I agree 100%. The ONLY time I will by a point is in NFL. The save by the hook is worth it there, were you know that scoring comes in usually 3 or 7 point increments. So in say a 4 point spread it may be worth getting the push. But in hoops, forget about it.
100% RIGHT
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[Quote: Originally Posted by TONYMACK]
I agree 100%. The ONLY time I will by a point is in NFL. The save by the hook is worth it there, were you know that scoring comes in usually 3 or 7 point increments. So in say a 4 point spread it may be worth getting the push. But in hoops, forget about it.
That's why it's hilarious when people post their picking record. It's very deceiving. Real professional handicappers post their units....not record. Technically speaking...a person could be 2-4 and be up serious money if they hit the 2 winners up hard. And vice versa....a person 4-2 could be down after buying those points.
Gambling 101 my friends.
"Real professional handicappers"...
This is nonsense.
First of all, everybody has their own perspective of what a "unit" is, whether it's the differing percentages or the actual number of units placed per wager. Someone can win one wager and be up "50 units", while another can win ten wagers in a row and be up only "10 units". That's how "real professional handicappers" a.k.a. scam-dicappers hook suckers in: by winning a usually mediocre percentage of plays but placing some exorbiant amount of units on each like "1000 dimes". And when they lose that 1000 dime play, they'll double up by giving up a 2000 dime play the next day. Sure, it's possible someone can rack up a misleading record built off of major juice, but it's ridiculous to say that posting units is a more genuine indicator.
Theoretically, if someone consistently ends up with profit with a subpar record (ie. the 2-4 figure you gave) then they are doomed for the long haul. That's too much unit deviance, that's bad money management. The exception is if one of those winners was a massive underdog play or futures bet, but we're talking long-term here of betting at -105 or -110, not just one short lucky stretch. In the end, someone who's 10-2 and up 20 units is a lot more useful to other sports bettors than someone who is 5-7 and up 50 units. This game is about winning consistently, not "winning your BIG PLAY and then hoping to God you don't lose your EXTRA BIG PLAY".
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Quote Originally Posted by robertgould79:
That's why it's hilarious when people post their picking record. It's very deceiving. Real professional handicappers post their units....not record. Technically speaking...a person could be 2-4 and be up serious money if they hit the 2 winners up hard. And vice versa....a person 4-2 could be down after buying those points.
Gambling 101 my friends.
"Real professional handicappers"...
This is nonsense.
First of all, everybody has their own perspective of what a "unit" is, whether it's the differing percentages or the actual number of units placed per wager. Someone can win one wager and be up "50 units", while another can win ten wagers in a row and be up only "10 units". That's how "real professional handicappers" a.k.a. scam-dicappers hook suckers in: by winning a usually mediocre percentage of plays but placing some exorbiant amount of units on each like "1000 dimes". And when they lose that 1000 dime play, they'll double up by giving up a 2000 dime play the next day. Sure, it's possible someone can rack up a misleading record built off of major juice, but it's ridiculous to say that posting units is a more genuine indicator.
Theoretically, if someone consistently ends up with profit with a subpar record (ie. the 2-4 figure you gave) then they are doomed for the long haul. That's too much unit deviance, that's bad money management. The exception is if one of those winners was a massive underdog play or futures bet, but we're talking long-term here of betting at -105 or -110, not just one short lucky stretch. In the end, someone who's 10-2 and up 20 units is a lot more useful to other sports bettors than someone who is 5-7 and up 50 units. This game is about winning consistently, not "winning your BIG PLAY and then hoping to God you don't lose your EXTRA BIG PLAY".
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