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When LBJ fails to bring home a Championship again, all the BS can finally stop.
In my opinion, and most educated NBA writers, LeBron is not even close to being as good as MJ.
There is at least 5 others that would go before he is mentioned.
He is a hype train that came at the perfect time in our screwed up society.

But this, this will end it all!
I can't wait.
 
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finally? looool there is no comparison between then. Lebosta isn't even a top 10 

stop this bull$hit
 
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Lebron James is all hype? LOL
The only thing I agree with is that we live in a screwed up society.
One in which hate prevails over greatness.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by tonyrome:

When LBJ fails to bring home a Championship again, all the BS can finally stop.
In my opinion, and most educated NBA writers, LeBron is not even close to being as good as MJ.
There is at least 5 others that would go before he is mentioned.
He is a hype train that came at the perfect time in our screwed up society.

But this, this will end it all!
I can't wait.


Shut up dumb son of a biitchh, you don't know garbage about basketball...
 
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UNBELIEVEABLE TALENT BUT CANNOT CLOSE CONSISTENTLY LIKE MJ. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE
 
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Even LeBron doesn't compare himself
 
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6 finals appearences back to back to back to back to back to back? Yeah, end it here already. Period. 
 
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Thought that it ended last year?.... Guess you guys are still talking about it.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by alvaro_duarte:

finally? looool there is no comparison between then. Lebosta isn't even a top 10 

stop this bull$hit


 
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Quote Originally Posted by Asomugha:

6 finals appearences back to back to back to back to back to back? Yeah, end it here already. Period. 
Even the fans show up, it's about winning.
He's just lucky they don't start charging him to get in.
 
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I am not a LBJ fan but I do like to look at things objectively, 
LBJ Career Stats (per game): 27.2 pts., 6.9 assists, 7.2 rebs, 1.7 steals, .498 fg%
MJ Career Stats (per game): 30.1 pts., 5.3 assists, 6.2 rebs, 2.3 steals, .497 fg%
Reg Season Win %:
LBJ: 0.651

MJ: 0.587
Eastern Conference Playoffs Opponent Win %

LBJ: 0.595

MJ: 0.633
*Although it should be noted that MJ's teams finished as the 6 seed or worse 4 times (getting bounced in the 1st round 3 of those 4 times) resulting in a higher opponent win % in playoffs due to facing top 3 seeds in first round while LBJ has been the higher seed every time he has been to the playoffs not finishing below the 4 seed.
NBA Finals Opponent Win %:

LBJ: 0.755

MJ: 0.746

LBJ is 31 this season, he has been to 7 NBA finals, including 6 in a row. He has 2 NBA championships and has a chance to win a 3rd with this year's finals TO BE DETERMINED. He has 4 NBA MVP Awards, 2 Finals MVP Awards (with a chance at #3) and is number 1 in NBA history in Value Over Replacement Player (Jordan is #2). 

MJ at 31 had 3 championships, 3 finals appearances, 3 NBA MVP Awards, 3 Finals MVP Awards
This notion that Lebron is not in Jordan's ballpark is ignorant and uninformed. One could argue that if LBJ wins this finals (beating the best team in NBA history (win %)) then he would indeed be more accomplished in his career to this point than MJ was at the same juncture with regard to age.
Lebron tonight?
23 pts., 12 rebs., 9 asts., 2 stls., 1 blk, 9/21 from field
While keeping Curry to 11 PTS......Yes, he defended Curry most of the night. Jordan couldn't have won with the Cavs tonight so I don't get your point....
 
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Kind of pointless to compare Jordan and Bron by age considering Lebron entered the league at 19 and Jordan entered at age 21.  Lebron basically had 3 more seasons at 31 to get his accomplishments.  East is much weaker in this era compared to the competition Jordan's Bulls teams had to face with dominant Celtics, Pistons, and solid teams like Knicks, Pacers.  Bron has not had to face any type of modern dynasty teams in the East like Jordan did. 
 
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6 straight lead dog finals appearances, triple double in game 1 and somehow he gets banged on?  You're pretty damn good when you get a triple double yet still draw criticism.

How about criticize Love for being soft?  Or Kyrie for pounding the ball into the ground?  Or JR for being in a nutshell?  Or Lue for playing the aforementioned JR for more minutes that Frye, RJ, and Shump COMBINED?!?  Channing Frye is the hottest shooter in an inferno of hot shooters, yet he only gets 7 minutes of run and one 3pt attempt!

Come on haters, you're trying way, way too hard... 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by YouLikeThat:

6 straight lead dog finals appearances, triple double in game 1 and somehow he gets banged on?  You're pretty damn good when you get a triple double yet still draw criticism.

How about criticize Love for being soft?  Or Kyrie for pounding the ball into the ground?  Or JR for being in a nutshell?  Or Lue for playing the aforementioned JR for more minutes that Frye, RJ, and Shump COMBINED?!?  Channing Frye is the hottest shooter in an inferno of hot shooters, yet he only gets 7 minutes of run and one 3pt attempt!

Come on haters, you're trying way, way too hard... 

Good points, but none of those players anointed themselves king, thinks they should be MVP, or bought themselves a ring.
I have no horse in the game, won last night and I am not a Cavs or GS fan.
When you are a cocky self loathing whiner and you fail, I think you should be called on it.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Asomugha:

6 finals appearences back to back to back to back to back to back? Yeah, end it here already. Period. 


After these finals his record will be a horrendous 2-5!  His teams' overall record in all Finals appearances is currently sitting at 13 wins and 21 losses... with at least 3 more losses coming this year, and maybe 1 or 2 wins at best!  Could be looking at 14-24 in 7 Finals appearances... OUCH!

I think it's about time to slide down off of his DlCK, Asomugha...
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Lebron:  2-5 in the Finals with a record around 14-24 (pending)

Jordan:  6-0 in the Finals with a record of 24-11  (6-time Finals MVP and never scored less than 20 points in 35 games in the Finals)



Anybody trying to argue Lebron is better, is stupid beyond measure!
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Quote Originally Posted by tonyrome:


Good points, but none of those players anointed themselves king, thinks they should be MVP, or bought themselves a ring.
I have no horse in the game, won last night and I am not a Cavs or GS fan.
When you are a cocky self loathing whiner and you fail, I think you should be called on it.



I'm picking up what you're putting down.  I'm old school like that too.  Respect, and a having a certain degree of humility or humbleness is lost on a lot of people.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by YouLikeThat:



I'm picking up what you're putting down.  I'm old school like that too.  Respect, and a having a certain degree of humility or humbleness is lost on a lot of people.

That's it, I believe you figured it out.
 
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He's definitely not Jordan.  Jordan puts the ball in the hoop last night and wills his team to victory.  If LeBron would've shot 40 times last night I wouldn't of had a problem with it.  He's passive to a fault a lot of times.  I want to see the LeBron who dropped 25 straight on one of the greatest defensive teams of all time.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Duderonomy:

Lebron:  2-5 in the Finals with a record around 14-24 (pending)

Jordan:  6-0 in the Finals with a record of 24-11  (6-time Finals MVP and never scored less than 20 points in 35 games in the Finals)



Anybody trying to argue Lebron is better, is stupid beyond measure!

Amen Duderonomy, amen.
 
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All the east "dynasty" teams were old or gone by the time mj had any success. If you think the jazz who mj beat twice could even hang with the thunder,cavs,gs, or spurs there is real problems. Is you think stockton and hornecek could d up anybody now you are crazy. People for some reason just cannot think about how much bigger stronger faster the league is now. I realize the CENTERS were bigger than....but those guys would shit their pants if Durant walked out on the court back then at 7 foot with his quick and the best jumper on the court. The league was so bad then they moved the 3 line in 2 1/2 feet so people could make some 3's from 94-97. Imagine curry and klay with the 3 line 3 feet closer. I'm gonna get crazy with what I'm about to say next so take it with a grain of salt but think about it a bit. Delly vs stockton......delly is 4 inches taller and shoots better from deep and the one thing delly does well is run the pick and roll well which is the only.part of stockton game that would translate to now. You can obviously pick out elite multi generational players whose game would translate to now....but the majority of the players back then would have a heard time seeing the floor against the current players. The average player is so much better now. Plus mj didn't have guys like iggy, lebron,george, and leonard guarding him who would all be just as big strong and as atheltic. Craig ehlo and Byron Russell are not walking through that door anymore. Leonard would be the best defender he has EVER even thought about playing against. Say mj dominated his ERA better than.lebron....but to compare the 2 is tough because won was a gunner and the other is a team player. Plus the average player is so much better now.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by lonniejoshua:

All the east "dynasty" teams were old or gone by the time mj had any success. If you think the jazz who mj beat twice could even hang with the thunder,cavs,gs, or spurs there is real problems. Is you think stockton and hornecek could d up anybody now you are crazy. People for some reason just cannot think about how much bigger stronger faster the league is now. I realize the CENTERS were bigger than....but those guys would garbage their pants if Durant walked out on the court back then at 7 foot with his quick and the best jumper on the court. The league was so bad then they moved the 3 line in 2 1/2 feet so people could make some 3's from 94-97. Imagine curry and klay with the 3 line 3 feet closer. I'm gonna get crazy with what I'm about to say next so take it with a grain of salt but think about it a bit. Delly vs stockton......delly is 4 inches taller and shoots better from deep and the one thing delly does well is run the pick and roll well which is the only.part of stockton game that would translate to now. You can obviously pick out elite multi generational players whose game would translate to now....but the majority of the players back then would have a heard time seeing the floor against the current players. The average player is so much better now. Plus mj didn't have guys like iggy, lebron,george, and leonard guarding him who would all be just as big strong and as atheltic. Craig ehlo and Byron Russell are not walking through that door anymore. Leonard would be the best defender he has EVER even thought about playing against. Say mj dominated his ERA better than.lebron....but to compare the 2 is tough because won was a gunner and the other is a team player. Plus the average player is so much better now.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by lonniejoshua:

All the east "dynasty" teams were old or gone by the time mj had any success. If you think the jazz who mj beat twice could even hang with the thunder,cavs,gs, or spurs there is real problems. Is you think stockton and hornecek could d up anybody now you are crazy. People for some reason just cannot think about how much bigger stronger faster the league is now. I realize the CENTERS were bigger than....but those guys would garbage their pants if Durant walked out on the court back then at 7 foot with his quick and the best jumper on the court. The league was so bad then they moved the 3 line in 2 1/2 feet so people could make some 3's from 94-97. Imagine curry and klay with the 3 line 3 feet closer. I'm gonna get crazy with what I'm about to say next so take it with a grain of salt but think about it a bit. Delly vs stockton......delly is 4 inches taller and shoots better from deep and the one thing delly does well is run the pick and roll well which is the only.part of stockton game that would translate to now. You can obviously pick out elite multi generational players whose game would translate to now....but the majority of the players back then would have a heard time seeing the floor against the current players. The average player is so much better now. Plus mj didn't have guys like iggy, lebron,george, and leonard guarding him who would all be just as big strong and as atheltic. Craig ehlo and Byron Russell are not walking through that door anymore. Leonard would be the best defender he has EVER even thought about playing against. Say mj dominated his ERA better than.lebron....but to compare the 2 is tough because won was a gunner and the other is a team player. Plus the average player is so much better now.

First off, the Pistons back to back team was not gone when MJ had success.  They were defending back to back champs when Jordan knocked them off and won his first.  Maybe the Celtics were on the back end of their run yes.  But Jordan initially faced them during their impressive run.  My point is that Lebron has not had to face any Eastern Powers.  Not a single team in the East lately had back to back titles or dynasty like runs.  The best we can say is Celtics and Pistons for reaching the finals a couple of times.  The East is much weaker than it was in 80s and 90s, that isnt even a debate.  

You lost me when you said Delly is a better shooter than Stockton ha.  Delly is a 39% career shooter hahaha.  Just because athletes are bigger today does not make them better.  The league is much weaker today because of the one and dones entering the league without the necessary skills and development to contribute to teams right away.  Look at the teams like Sixers, Twolves, Magic, etc. that get lotto picks every year and still suck.  That is no coincidence, the overall talent level in the NBA is much weaker than it was in the 80s and 90s.  Kids might be bigger and stronger, but they are not better.  
For every Craig Ehlo of the 80s and 90s, there is a Kyle Singler today.  By the way Craig Ehlo was 6'8, so it's not like he was some small guard back then.  Same type of player.  The game Steph hit a half courter in OKC to win in regular season, look back at the highlights.  Singler was guarding him the entire second half ha.  I can tell you guys like TJ McConnell would not be making any NBA rosters in the 80s and 90s.  This whole better players today thing is a joke.  No way.  For every Kevin Durant there are 5 players that wouldn't make a roster in the 80s and 90s.  
 
 
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My bad, you said Delly is a better long range shooter than Stockton, which again is untrue.

Stockton career 3 point attempts: 2203 Percentage:  38.4
Delly career 3 point attempts:  561 Percentage:  39.8
 
If Delly even gets to Stocktons career attempts from 3, which is a reach, I imagine his percentage wont be as high.

Career FG % overall Stockton 51% Delly 40%.  Not close.

The three point line argument is silly too.  The League changes rules to increase scoring, and increase fan base.  The defenses were much better back then, which is why they moved line in.   I could make the argument that the league is so bad now that they banned hand-checking, invented defensive 3 seconds so teams could not stay in the lane and crush the offense like they could from 70s-90s, and now they are talking about removing the hack-a-shaq because guys can't shoot free throws.    These rules were not being made in the 80s, and 90s.  Also how would Durant handle guarding Olajuwon, Robinson, Ewing, and Shaq in the post on switches in the 80s and 90s?  Durant would be a little hesitant to guard those guys I imagine.  
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