without wade heat lose to pacers.... short memory ha wen last 4 games of that series avergaged like 35 on 63% shootin yup thats awful. he still averaged 23 in finals with lebron havin ball whole game.
best player on the best team..... if u dont see it you dont know basketball
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Quote Originally Posted by KobezKing:
without wade heat lose to pacers.... short memory ha wen last 4 games of that series avergaged like 35 on 63% shootin yup thats awful. he still averaged 23 in finals with lebron havin ball whole game.
best player on the best team..... if u dont see it you dont know basketball
snipe its obvious all these KIDS are like between 16 and 23 that suck on lebrons nuts. When the big 3 formed in miami it was lebron/kobe 1a 1b and wade as next best can any 1 try to claim that any other superstar had the 1st and 3rd best players in league on same team not to mention best power forward in league..... Its laughable that people wana compare talent that jordan or kobe had to what lebron has. and then people wana sit there and diss heat role players, even more laughable. Battier back to back 17 pt games great defender, Chalmers 25 pt game hits big shots, miller 23 points.. oh yea there so bad. these KIDS are clueless.
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snipe its obvious all these KIDS are like between 16 and 23 that suck on lebrons nuts. When the big 3 formed in miami it was lebron/kobe 1a 1b and wade as next best can any 1 try to claim that any other superstar had the 1st and 3rd best players in league on same team not to mention best power forward in league..... Its laughable that people wana compare talent that jordan or kobe had to what lebron has. and then people wana sit there and diss heat role players, even more laughable. Battier back to back 17 pt games great defender, Chalmers 25 pt game hits big shots, miller 23 points.. oh yea there so bad. these KIDS are clueless.
Exactly. Preach. What Big time player goes to another superstar's team to win championships? Magic = Nope; Jordan = Nope; Kobe = Nope; Bird = Nope. Good point man, he sealed his fate when he did that. Lebron gets no respect from me after that.
if he stayed in cleveland pretty sure at the end of his career he would be ringless the guy asked for help and what did they do uh nothing thats why he left to join wade and bosh to win titles if cleveland was smart they would of gotten him some decent players and he would of stayed
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Quote Originally Posted by ATLGettinPaper:
Exactly. Preach. What Big time player goes to another superstar's team to win championships? Magic = Nope; Jordan = Nope; Kobe = Nope; Bird = Nope. Good point man, he sealed his fate when he did that. Lebron gets no respect from me after that.
if he stayed in cleveland pretty sure at the end of his career he would be ringless the guy asked for help and what did they do uh nothing thats why he left to join wade and bosh to win titles if cleveland was smart they would of gotten him some decent players and he would of stayed
Exactly. Preach. What Big time player goes to another superstar's team to win championships? Magic = Nope; Jordan = Nope; Kobe = Nope; Bird = Nope. Good point man, he sealed his fate when he did that. Lebron gets no respect from me after that.
First off let me say that you would want to leave Cleveland as well "atlgettinpaper" if you lived there your entire life. Secondly, Magic was drafted and went to a Lakers team that already had stars, So did Bird and Kobe. Jordan lived in Chicago and what free agent doesn't want to move to Chicago. Free agents want to move to big and happening cities. LA is self explanatory:warm weather, pretty girls......
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Quote Originally Posted by ATLGettinPaper:
Exactly. Preach. What Big time player goes to another superstar's team to win championships? Magic = Nope; Jordan = Nope; Kobe = Nope; Bird = Nope. Good point man, he sealed his fate when he did that. Lebron gets no respect from me after that.
First off let me say that you would want to leave Cleveland as well "atlgettinpaper" if you lived there your entire life. Secondly, Magic was drafted and went to a Lakers team that already had stars, So did Bird and Kobe. Jordan lived in Chicago and what free agent doesn't want to move to Chicago. Free agents want to move to big and happening cities. LA is self explanatory:warm weather, pretty girls......
snipe its obvious all these KIDS are like between 16 and 23 that suck on lebrons nuts. When the big 3 formed in miami it was lebron/kobe 1a 1b and wade as next best can any 1 try to claim that any other superstar had the 1st and 3rd best players in league on same team not to mention best power forward in league..... Its laughable that people wana compare talent that jordan or kobe had to what lebron has. and then people wana sit there and diss heat role players, even more laughable. Battier back to back 17 pt games great defender, Chalmers 25 pt game hits big shots, miller 23 points.. oh yea there so bad. these KIDS are clueless.
Again. we disagree bosh IMO is not the best PF in the league Kevin love and big dirk would like to argue
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Quote Originally Posted by KobezKing:
snipe its obvious all these KIDS are like between 16 and 23 that suck on lebrons nuts. When the big 3 formed in miami it was lebron/kobe 1a 1b and wade as next best can any 1 try to claim that any other superstar had the 1st and 3rd best players in league on same team not to mention best power forward in league..... Its laughable that people wana compare talent that jordan or kobe had to what lebron has. and then people wana sit there and diss heat role players, even more laughable. Battier back to back 17 pt games great defender, Chalmers 25 pt game hits big shots, miller 23 points.. oh yea there so bad. these KIDS are clueless.
Again. we disagree bosh IMO is not the best PF in the league Kevin love and big dirk would like to argue
not saying that he isn't great or hasn't had a good series, just saying that he had to go to somebody else's team and where he could form with 3 all stars to win it
u mad?
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Quote Originally Posted by qball1324:
not saying that he isn't great or hasn't had a good series, just saying that he had to go to somebody else's team and where he could form with 3 all stars to win it
I'm no fan of Lebron's, but here's the thing - He may have thought he needed to play with stars to win a championship two years ago, but he proved to himself last night that he doesn't. This Heat team was hardly star-studded, and Wade did not play like a star.
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I'm no fan of Lebron's, but here's the thing - He may have thought he needed to play with stars to win a championship two years ago, but he proved to himself last night that he doesn't. This Heat team was hardly star-studded, and Wade did not play like a star.
if he stayed in cleveland pretty sure at the end of his career he would be ringless the guy asked for help and what did they do uh nothing thats why he left to join wade and bosh to win titles if cleveland was smart they would of gotten him some decent players and he would of stayed
Your stupid, Cleveland brought in every free agent they could to help Lebron win, and he still couldn't do it. Brought in Mo Williams, Antwan Jamison, Shaq, Delonte West, Larry Hughes. All guys that Lebron wanted.
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Quote Originally Posted by vietbeat:
if he stayed in cleveland pretty sure at the end of his career he would be ringless the guy asked for help and what did they do uh nothing thats why he left to join wade and bosh to win titles if cleveland was smart they would of gotten him some decent players and he would of stayed
Your stupid, Cleveland brought in every free agent they could to help Lebron win, and he still couldn't do it. Brought in Mo Williams, Antwan Jamison, Shaq, Delonte West, Larry Hughes. All guys that Lebron wanted.
Your stupid, Cleveland brought in every free agent they could to help Lebron win, and he still couldn't do it. Brought in Mo Williams, Antwan Jamison, Shaq, Delonte West, Larry Hughes. All guys that Lebron wanted.
Shaq was way pass his prime, Wade and bosh is way better then mo williams and the rest of those players put together. Those role players Lebron had couldn't do it. He carried them long enough. When are you going to realize that you can't win a championship by yourself. Stop hating and celebrate! Pippen, Horace grant in their prime are way better then all those role players you named. So are Rodman, kerr and kukoc. Parrish and ainge, mchale.
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Quote Originally Posted by ATLGettinPaper:
Your stupid, Cleveland brought in every free agent they could to help Lebron win, and he still couldn't do it. Brought in Mo Williams, Antwan Jamison, Shaq, Delonte West, Larry Hughes. All guys that Lebron wanted.
Shaq was way pass his prime, Wade and bosh is way better then mo williams and the rest of those players put together. Those role players Lebron had couldn't do it. He carried them long enough. When are you going to realize that you can't win a championship by yourself. Stop hating and celebrate! Pippen, Horace grant in their prime are way better then all those role players you named. So are Rodman, kerr and kukoc. Parrish and ainge, mchale.
This is commical.......While he does sounds stupid cause lebron earned this title....the truth is Kobe nor Jordan would have went to another team to play with a top 3 player in the league in ut part of that could have been jealousy that they never did it....
You can name the horrys and foxes and Kukoc but those guys arent anything in the same league as D Wade.....
you are an idiot.
Lebron fulfilled all six years of his contract in Cleveland and the best the front desk did for him was acquire a washed up Antawn Jamison.
Sure, Kobe never left, but mid contract he bitched to the media/public about having a shitty team. He begged for better teammates. He cried. Show me where Lebron ever did that. He manned up and played every minute of his contract, and made a decision to go and play somewhere else.
Also, your post after this one says Kobe was drafted by the Lakers?
The Hornets drafted him bud.
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Quote Originally Posted by sniper777:
This is commical.......While he does sounds stupid cause lebron earned this title....the truth is Kobe nor Jordan would have went to another team to play with a top 3 player in the league in ut part of that could have been jealousy that they never did it....
You can name the horrys and foxes and Kukoc but those guys arent anything in the same league as D Wade.....
you are an idiot.
Lebron fulfilled all six years of his contract in Cleveland and the best the front desk did for him was acquire a washed up Antawn Jamison.
Sure, Kobe never left, but mid contract he bitched to the media/public about having a shitty team. He begged for better teammates. He cried. Show me where Lebron ever did that. He manned up and played every minute of his contract, and made a decision to go and play somewhere else.
Also, your post after this one says Kobe was drafted by the Lakers?
snipe its obvious all these KIDS are like between 16 and 23 that suck on lebrons nuts. When the big 3 formed in miami it was lebron/kobe 1a 1b and wade as next best can any 1 try to claim that any other superstar had the 1st and 3rd best players in league on same team not to mention best power forward in league..... Its laughable that people wana compare talent that jordan or kobe had to what lebron has. and then people wana sit there and diss heat role players, even more laughable. Battier back to back 17 pt games great defender, Chalmers 25 pt game hits big shots, miller 23 points.. oh yea there so bad. these KIDS are clueless.
Literally all you do on Covers is post in Lebron threads.
And you're a Kobe/Laker fan. See the connection? Stop hating.
You're just easily annoyed because people aren't talking about Kobe 24/7 anymore. I would make a large wager that you honestly care about it more than Bryant does himself.
And how did the Heat do when those role players stepped up? I'm pretty sure they overcame 20 point deficits and lead games by 25+, in the NBA finals.
Yeah, that tends to happen when more than 3 of the players on a team play well together.
Would Mike Miller have those kinds of looks without Lebron Wade and Bosh on the floor? How about without Lebron/Wade creating nice open looks for their teammates?
Your posts are getting old really quick. All you do is diss Lebron, and it's without a proper basis. Get the fuck over it. Kobe had an insane career, and it's coming to an end. Is it that hard to realize his time is almost up?
Anyway, I don't want to get into Kobe's carry ability against Lebron's. We both know Kobe led a team of similar talent to Lebron's (six years in Cleveland) Cavs. We're talking a 35 win team vs. a 60+. Different skillsets, and the front desks handled each individual player's situation differently.
Hell, what's worse, announcing you're leaving your hometown team or throwing teammates under the bus every year, complaining to team management, and raping a woman?
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Quote Originally Posted by KobezKing:
snipe its obvious all these KIDS are like between 16 and 23 that suck on lebrons nuts. When the big 3 formed in miami it was lebron/kobe 1a 1b and wade as next best can any 1 try to claim that any other superstar had the 1st and 3rd best players in league on same team not to mention best power forward in league..... Its laughable that people wana compare talent that jordan or kobe had to what lebron has. and then people wana sit there and diss heat role players, even more laughable. Battier back to back 17 pt games great defender, Chalmers 25 pt game hits big shots, miller 23 points.. oh yea there so bad. these KIDS are clueless.
Literally all you do on Covers is post in Lebron threads.
And you're a Kobe/Laker fan. See the connection? Stop hating.
You're just easily annoyed because people aren't talking about Kobe 24/7 anymore. I would make a large wager that you honestly care about it more than Bryant does himself.
And how did the Heat do when those role players stepped up? I'm pretty sure they overcame 20 point deficits and lead games by 25+, in the NBA finals.
Yeah, that tends to happen when more than 3 of the players on a team play well together.
Would Mike Miller have those kinds of looks without Lebron Wade and Bosh on the floor? How about without Lebron/Wade creating nice open looks for their teammates?
Your posts are getting old really quick. All you do is diss Lebron, and it's without a proper basis. Get the fuck over it. Kobe had an insane career, and it's coming to an end. Is it that hard to realize his time is almost up?
Anyway, I don't want to get into Kobe's carry ability against Lebron's. We both know Kobe led a team of similar talent to Lebron's (six years in Cleveland) Cavs. We're talking a 35 win team vs. a 60+. Different skillsets, and the front desks handled each individual player's situation differently.
Hell, what's worse, announcing you're leaving your hometown team or throwing teammates under the bus every year, complaining to team management, and raping a woman?
I think Kobe is an all-time great, only behind Jordan at the SG spot.
However, let's also not forget that Kobe would likely have had an extremely difficult time to win additional titles after the Lakers first three, were it not for the extremely dubious trade involving Gasol and the Grizzlies in 2008.
Gasol(in his prime) for Kwame Brown, Jarvaris Crittenton, Aaron McKie, the rights to Marc Gasol and two 1st round picks(which turned into Donte Green and Greivis Vaszquez)? What a theft by the Lakers! Popovich was rightly fuming at the time and even said so publicly. Even in hindsight, the trade remains extremely lopsided, given the 2 titles the Lakers won compared to only Marc Gasol providing anything of value to Memphis from the deal.
That was one of the biggest heists in NBA history. No one can really explain why the Grizzlies participated in such a one sided deal. Former Laker Jerry West likely had a large influence in those shenanigans, though he denies this claim.
People seem to erase the 3 years Kobe was not anywhere near a superior leader in the span after Shaq and before Gasol. They did not make the playoffs in 2005 and were knocked out by the Suns in the 1st round in 2006 and 2007. He could certainly score a shitload, but did not make his teammates appreciably better. He had very comparable roster talent to LBJ in those years of mediocrity and LBJ proved to be the better teammate and leader, without a doubt. Kobe also lashed out rather childishly, especially after the 2007 campaign, when he demanded a trade.
Let's not rewrite history or look at it through a biased lens. Kobe would more than likely be stuck on 3 titles and looking on the outside at any others, were it not for a shady deal in 2008. Like any other superstar, he could not and cannot do it alone.
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I think Kobe is an all-time great, only behind Jordan at the SG spot.
However, let's also not forget that Kobe would likely have had an extremely difficult time to win additional titles after the Lakers first three, were it not for the extremely dubious trade involving Gasol and the Grizzlies in 2008.
Gasol(in his prime) for Kwame Brown, Jarvaris Crittenton, Aaron McKie, the rights to Marc Gasol and two 1st round picks(which turned into Donte Green and Greivis Vaszquez)? What a theft by the Lakers! Popovich was rightly fuming at the time and even said so publicly. Even in hindsight, the trade remains extremely lopsided, given the 2 titles the Lakers won compared to only Marc Gasol providing anything of value to Memphis from the deal.
That was one of the biggest heists in NBA history. No one can really explain why the Grizzlies participated in such a one sided deal. Former Laker Jerry West likely had a large influence in those shenanigans, though he denies this claim.
People seem to erase the 3 years Kobe was not anywhere near a superior leader in the span after Shaq and before Gasol. They did not make the playoffs in 2005 and were knocked out by the Suns in the 1st round in 2006 and 2007. He could certainly score a shitload, but did not make his teammates appreciably better. He had very comparable roster talent to LBJ in those years of mediocrity and LBJ proved to be the better teammate and leader, without a doubt. Kobe also lashed out rather childishly, especially after the 2007 campaign, when he demanded a trade.
Let's not rewrite history or look at it through a biased lens. Kobe would more than likely be stuck on 3 titles and looking on the outside at any others, were it not for a shady deal in 2008. Like any other superstar, he could not and cannot do it alone.
Literally all you do on Covers is post in Lebron threads.
And you're a Kobe/Laker fan. See the connection? Stop hating.
You're just easily annoyed because people aren't talking about Kobe 24/7 anymore. I would make a large wager that you honestly care about it more than Bryant does himself.
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Quote Originally Posted by sidehustle:
Literally all you do on Covers is post in Lebron threads.
And you're a Kobe/Laker fan. See the connection? Stop hating.
You're just easily annoyed because people aren't talking about Kobe 24/7 anymore. I would make a large wager that you honestly care about it more than Bryant does himself.
Here is the deal folks......Kobe played with Shaq yes. Nobody is denying that. The difference is he was drafted by the Lakers and Shaq went to LA via free agency. Kobe had no control over that.
Besides that the point your missing is Pippen nor Gasol are top 3 players in the league like D Wade is........if you want to say that about the lakers titles from 2001 through 2002 because of Shaq fine but Kobe one two more with Odom and Gasol....If you want to compare them two guys to Wade and Bosh you dont know basketball lol......The lakers are looking to trade gasol as we speak......You think Miami is trading D Wade??? lol....when Lebron went to Miami Wade was considered the third best player in the leage. As I said above Jordan would never go sign with another team with a top 3 player and either would Kobe.....
if Kobe leaves and goes to play with some top 3 player in the league before he retires than come talk to me......But for now....neither he or Jordan have done it.......
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Quote Originally Posted by sniper777:
Here is the deal folks......Kobe played with Shaq yes. Nobody is denying that. The difference is he was drafted by the Lakers and Shaq went to LA via free agency. Kobe had no control over that.
Besides that the point your missing is Pippen nor Gasol are top 3 players in the league like D Wade is........if you want to say that about the lakers titles from 2001 through 2002 because of Shaq fine but Kobe one two more with Odom and Gasol....If you want to compare them two guys to Wade and Bosh you dont know basketball lol......The lakers are looking to trade gasol as we speak......You think Miami is trading D Wade??? lol....when Lebron went to Miami Wade was considered the third best player in the leage. As I said above Jordan would never go sign with another team with a top 3 player and either would Kobe.....
if Kobe leaves and goes to play with some top 3 player in the league before he retires than come talk to me......But for now....neither he or Jordan have done it.......
Again. we disagree bosh IMO is not the best PF in the league Kevin love and big dirk would like to argue
im talkin about when big 3 was formed wade 3rd best player ,bosh best powew forward, i dont really consider dirk power forward bosh was like 24 an 11 wade was 27 6.5 an 5 an lebron was 29 8 an 7 and they all went to same team. no team ever had that kind of fire power. of course their numbers went down becuz there isnt enuf shots to go round
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Quote Originally Posted by Uhopeilose:
Again. we disagree bosh IMO is not the best PF in the league Kevin love and big dirk would like to argue
im talkin about when big 3 was formed wade 3rd best player ,bosh best powew forward, i dont really consider dirk power forward bosh was like 24 an 11 wade was 27 6.5 an 5 an lebron was 29 8 an 7 and they all went to same team. no team ever had that kind of fire power. of course their numbers went down becuz there isnt enuf shots to go round
Ok bosh had good numbers but where did that get him? bounced in the first round a couple times. When you play on a below average team your numbers will be inflated. That's why Lebrons staying the same or somewhat improving is so impressive
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Ok bosh had good numbers but where did that get him? bounced in the first round a couple times. When you play on a below average team your numbers will be inflated. That's why Lebrons staying the same or somewhat improving is so impressive
If dirk isn't a power forward what would you list him as? Your boy bosh has never even made NBA first team but is the best power forward in the league c'mon man.
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If dirk isn't a power forward what would you list him as? Your boy bosh has never even made NBA first team but is the best power forward in the league c'mon man.
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