Duncan, easier to find wing players to complement him, then find bigs to complement Kobe, lakers were a barely playoff time before they robbed memphis and got Gasol, think bout it!
No shit. Look at the lineup they were trotting out there. In 07 when they lost to the Suns in round 1. Here's their lineup
Kobe, Odom, Luke Walton, Kwame Brown, Jordan Farmar.
reserves: Smush Parker, Vujacic, Maurice Evans, Turiaf, Bryan Cook, and a very young and inept Andrew Bynum.
Now you tell me who is going to go far with that lineup in the West when it was stacked to hell and back.
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Quote Originally Posted by senddddit22:
Duncan, easier to find wing players to complement him, then find bigs to complement Kobe, lakers were a barely playoff time before they robbed memphis and got Gasol, think bout it!
No shit. Look at the lineup they were trotting out there. In 07 when they lost to the Suns in round 1. Here's their lineup
Kobe, Odom, Luke Walton, Kwame Brown, Jordan Farmar.
reserves: Smush Parker, Vujacic, Maurice Evans, Turiaf, Bryan Cook, and a very young and inept Andrew Bynum.
Now you tell me who is going to go far with that lineup in the West when it was stacked to hell and back.
Kobe and Shaq were amazing together, but Shaq needed Kobe to win those championships. He hadn't won anything until his pairing with Kobe. It was a symbiotic relationship, not one where Kobe was a parasite off of Shaq's greatness. I think a lot of people forget just how instrumental Kobe was during the three-peat.
Also, even though Kobe(luckily)got Gasol for his 2nd great run, he was "the man" for those Rings. He was the undisputed leader and reason they won two more Finals.
Duncan, also had luck being paired with a great player from the start. He had the dumb fortune of getting on a Spurs team with(a returning from injury)David Robinson his first few years, taking a lot of pressure of him. He is the best power forward in history, in my view, but he never had to "be the man" from the start. He was allowed to mature into his role. Very similar to Kobe. However, I have never felt that Duncan had the pressure to perform like Kobe. He's never had to assume that entire burden at any point in his career. Maybe because San Antonio is just not a town like L.A.
Duncan is certainly amazing, but luck and the Spurs management/coaching are just as responsible, if not more, for the Spurs success over the last 13 years. Duncan has not had to suffer through any spells where he alone had to carry his team. Unlike Jordan, Kobe and LBJ, who were their entire teams for several seasons, we will never know how Duncan would have done without Robinson, Parker or Ginobili and other strong supporting mates(Elie, Ferry, Bowen, Horry, Finley, Barry, etc...) He had the Magic and Bird luck of always having strong players surrounding him. He's never had to suffer through entire seasons of carrying the entire load, thanks to great management and favorable luck in terms of injuries.
Duncan's Spurs have also won 4 of the weakest championships I can recall in NBA history: beating an 8th seeded Knicks squad in a shortened 1999 campaign; a good, but not great Nets team(49-33) in 2003; a resilient, but certainly not amazing Pistons squad in 2005; and LBJ with zero supporting cast in 2007.
Duncan's rings are well deserved, but I give more credit to the Spurs coaching/organization for keeping them contenders throughout the years, with their drafting and smart maneuvering, rather than to Duncan's overpowering skills.
I sincerely believe Kobe brings more overall talent, over the entire course of his career, than Duncan. Kobe is a unique force, while Duncan is more a corporate role model who needs surrounding parts to thrive.
It's close, but Kobe for me if I'm starting my team with a rookie.
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Great thread.
Close, but Kobe for me.
Kobe and Shaq were amazing together, but Shaq needed Kobe to win those championships. He hadn't won anything until his pairing with Kobe. It was a symbiotic relationship, not one where Kobe was a parasite off of Shaq's greatness. I think a lot of people forget just how instrumental Kobe was during the three-peat.
Also, even though Kobe(luckily)got Gasol for his 2nd great run, he was "the man" for those Rings. He was the undisputed leader and reason they won two more Finals.
Duncan, also had luck being paired with a great player from the start. He had the dumb fortune of getting on a Spurs team with(a returning from injury)David Robinson his first few years, taking a lot of pressure of him. He is the best power forward in history, in my view, but he never had to "be the man" from the start. He was allowed to mature into his role. Very similar to Kobe. However, I have never felt that Duncan had the pressure to perform like Kobe. He's never had to assume that entire burden at any point in his career. Maybe because San Antonio is just not a town like L.A.
Duncan is certainly amazing, but luck and the Spurs management/coaching are just as responsible, if not more, for the Spurs success over the last 13 years. Duncan has not had to suffer through any spells where he alone had to carry his team. Unlike Jordan, Kobe and LBJ, who were their entire teams for several seasons, we will never know how Duncan would have done without Robinson, Parker or Ginobili and other strong supporting mates(Elie, Ferry, Bowen, Horry, Finley, Barry, etc...) He had the Magic and Bird luck of always having strong players surrounding him. He's never had to suffer through entire seasons of carrying the entire load, thanks to great management and favorable luck in terms of injuries.
Duncan's Spurs have also won 4 of the weakest championships I can recall in NBA history: beating an 8th seeded Knicks squad in a shortened 1999 campaign; a good, but not great Nets team(49-33) in 2003; a resilient, but certainly not amazing Pistons squad in 2005; and LBJ with zero supporting cast in 2007.
Duncan's rings are well deserved, but I give more credit to the Spurs coaching/organization for keeping them contenders throughout the years, with their drafting and smart maneuvering, rather than to Duncan's overpowering skills.
I sincerely believe Kobe brings more overall talent, over the entire course of his career, than Duncan. Kobe is a unique force, while Duncan is more a corporate role model who needs surrounding parts to thrive.
It's close, but Kobe for me if I'm starting my team with a rookie.
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