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    It doesn't look good tonight for the Suns in Denver

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    I know more than a few of you had eyebrows raised high when you took your first look at Saturday's NBA lines and saw the Phoenix Suns getting 8.5 points at Denver.  So what compelled the sleazy oddsmakers ("the Pirates of the Caribbean") to make this line "so high"?  I think I've found at least one answer.  The Suns tonight are playing on the road in the second game of a back-to-back.  That's a challenging situation for any team, but for the Suns, when facing a winning team, it's pretty much become the death knell.  Take a look at how the Suns have fared between this season and last when playing with no rest on the road against an above .500 team:

     

    November 17, 2008 at Utah getting 2 - the Suns lost, 109-97

    December 4, 2008 at Dallas getting 3 - the Suns lost, 112-97

    December 10, 2008 at the Lakers getting 13.5 - the Suns lost, 115-110

    January 19, 2009 at Boston getting 8 - the Suns lost, 104-87

    February 9, 2009 at Philadelphia getting 3.5 - the Suns lost, 108-91

    March 4, 2009 at Miami getting 2.5 - the Suns lost, 135-129

    March 26, 2009 at Portland getting 6.5 - the Suns lost, 129-109

    November 4 at Orlando getting 7.5 - the Suns lost, 122-100

    November 12 at the Lakers getting 9.5 - the Suns lost, 121-102

    December 2, 2009 at Cleveland getting 7.5 - the Suns lost, 107-90

    December 6 at the Lakers getting 9.5 - the Suns lost, 108-88

     

    That's not pretty.  The 2008 and 2009 Suns have gone 0-11 SU & 1-10 ATS in this situation, losing those eleven games by an average of 15.5 points per game.  And while they were reasonably competitive in two of those games from last season, this season they've been flattened all four times by 22, 19, 17, and 20 points.

    If you're wondering if I have any explanation for the one time they did cover the spread, the answer is.......of course I do!   When the Suns covered easily as 13.5-point dogs a year ago at the Staples Center against the Lakers, they had only eight available players for the game that night.  That's because earlier in the day, they had traded Raja Bell, Boris Diaw, and rookie Sean Singletary to Charlotte in exchange for Jason Richardson and Jared Dudley.  Also, they were without Shaquille O'Neal because he was in New Jersey attending the funeral of his great-grandmother.  Because of all that, the oddsmakers pumped the line way up, and as usually happens in sports when one team is shorthanded and appears to have no chance, the shorthanded team played their butts off while their opponent took them lightly and nearly blew the game.  Kobe summed it up himself after the game, saying "That's what always happens when a team has eight players, nine players.  They always come out with a lot of energy."  The Lakers, as we all know, are the masters of taking teams lightly when they're double-digit home favorites, and it so happens that the Lakers were right in the middle of a stretch of 14 games in which they went an incredibly lazy 1-13 ATS. 

    Oh, and if you're wondering what Philadelphia is doing on that list, you can look it up - the Sixers were 25-24 going into that game.

    Here's another thing.  Tonight will be the third time this season that the Suns have been caught up in the following terrible scheduling situation - returning home from a road trip, playing a single home game, and then boarding a flight immediately afterwards for a road game the next night.  That unlucky scheduling spot is tough for the entire league, but not every team has to deal with it.  That's the luck of the draw in NBA scheduling.  Well, the Suns got stuck with this three times during this regular season, and the first two road games (both at the Lakers) resulted in blowout losses.  By the way, the Suns failed to cover every 1st half and every 2nd half in those games in L.A.

     

    Denver -8.5 -110 risking 11 units (might add more later)

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    I know more than a few of you had eyebrows raised high when you took your first look at Saturday's NBA lines and saw the Phoenix Suns getting 8.5 points at Denver.  So what compelled the sleazy oddsmakers ("the Pirates of the Caribbean") to make this line "so high"?  I think I've found at least one answer.  The Suns tonight are playing on the road in the second game of a back-to-back.  That's a challenging situation for any team, but for the Suns, when facing a winning team, it's pretty much become the death knell.  Take a look at how the Suns have fared between this season and last when playing with no rest on the road against an above .500 team:

     

    November 17, 2008 at Utah getting 2 - the Suns lost, 109-97

    December 4, 2008 at Dallas getting 3 - the Suns lost, 112-97

    December 10, 2008 at the Lakers getting 13.5 - the Suns lost, 115-110

    January 19, 2009 at Boston getting 8 - the Suns lost, 104-87

    February 9, 2009 at Philadelphia getting 3.5 - the Suns lost, 108-91

    March 4, 2009 at Miami getting 2.5 - the Suns lost, 135-129

    March 26, 2009 at Portland getting 6.5 - the Suns lost, 129-109

    November 4 at Orlando getting 7.5 - the Suns lost, 122-100

    November 12 at the Lakers getting 9.5 - the Suns lost, 121-102

    December 2, 2009 at Cleveland getting 7.5 - the Suns lost, 107-90

    December 6 at the Lakers getting 9.5 - the Suns lost, 108-88

     

    That's not pretty.  The 2008 and 2009 Suns have gone 0-11 SU & 1-10 ATS in this situation, losing those eleven games by an average of 15.5 points per game.  And while they were reasonably competitive in two of those games from last season, this season they've been flattened all four times by 22, 19, 17, and 20 points.

    If you're wondering if I have any explanation for the one time they did cover the spread, the answer is.......of course I do!   When the Suns covered easily as 13.5-point dogs a year ago at the Staples Center against the Lakers, they had only eight available players for the game that night.  That's because earlier in the day, they had traded Raja Bell, Boris Diaw, and rookie Sean Singletary to Charlotte in exchange for Jason Richardson and Jared Dudley.  Also, they were without Shaquille O'Neal because he was in New Jersey attending the funeral of his great-grandmother.  Because of all that, the oddsmakers pumped the line way up, and as usually happens in sports when one team is shorthanded and appears to have no chance, the shorthanded team played their butts off while their opponent took them lightly and nearly blew the game.  Kobe summed it up himself after the game, saying "That's what always happens when a team has eight players, nine players.  They always come out with a lot of energy."  The Lakers, as we all know, are the masters of taking teams lightly when they're double-digit home favorites, and it so happens that the Lakers were right in the middle of a stretch of 14 games in which they went an incredibly lazy 1-13 ATS. 

    Oh, and if you're wondering what Philadelphia is doing on that list, you can look it up - the Sixers were 25-24 going into that game.

    Here's another thing.  Tonight will be the third time this season that the Suns have been caught up in the following terrible scheduling situation - returning home from a road trip, playing a single home game, and then boarding a flight immediately afterwards for a road game the next night.  That unlucky scheduling spot is tough for the entire league, but not every team has to deal with it.  That's the luck of the draw in NBA scheduling.  Well, the Suns got stuck with this three times during this regular season, and the first two road games (both at the Lakers) resulted in blowout losses.  By the way, the Suns failed to cover every 1st half and every 2nd half in those games in L.A.

     

    Denver -8.5 -110 risking 11 units (might add more later)

     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2009 - 6:32 PM ET #3

    Oh no a write up
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    Oh no a write up
     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2009 - 6:32 PM ET #4

    That's some detailed and thorough analysis for a particular spot.

    My numbers show Denver by at least 9, 121-105 final score
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    That's some detailed and thorough analysis for a particular spot.

    My numbers show Denver by at least 9, 121-105 final score
     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2009 - 6:32 PM ET #5

    Very informative...again....GL, MR. B !!!!
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    Very informative...again....GL, MR. B !!!!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2009 - 6:34 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by roccohorse:

    Oh no a write up

     

     

    Yes.  That's the first strike against this play.  This gives the Suns hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roccohorse:

    Oh no a write up

     

     

    Yes.  That's the first strike against this play.  This gives the Suns hope.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2009 - 6:34 PM ET #7

    Hallelujah we agree Mr.Bator
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2009 - 6:36 PM ET #9

    im already on it.....this write up makes me want to add to my normal 1U
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    im already on it.....this write up makes me want to add to my normal 1U
     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2009 - 6:36 PM ET #10

    I have Denver as ML anchor on two team ML parlays with

    Wizards, Boston, Dallas, Kings.....and Pitt (NHL)

    BOL

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    I have Denver as ML anchor on two team ML parlays with

    Wizards, Boston, Dallas, Kings.....and Pitt (NHL)

    BOL

     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2009 - 6:37 PM ET #11

    In addition, teams playing in Den or Utah in the back half of a b2b fare very poorly.  Some say it's coming to altitude after a previous game.  Doesn't happen too often, but Utah also applies tonight.
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    In addition, teams playing in Den or Utah in the back half of a b2b fare very poorly.  Some say it's coming to altitude after a previous game.  Doesn't happen too often, but Utah also applies tonight.
     
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    Phoenix had 2 days before last nights victory vs Orlando and Denver is returning from a 4 game road trip in which they looked terrible. Nuggets are in a funk right now. They've been horrible defensively, how the hell does Detroit score 100+ on em? They settle for crazy jumpshots and are not playin team ball right now. I see the Suns winning this game str8 up.

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    Phoenix had 2 days before last nights victory vs Orlando and Denver is returning from a 4 game road trip in which they looked terrible. Nuggets are in a funk right now. They've been horrible defensively, how the hell does Detroit score 100+ on em? They settle for crazy jumpshots and are not playin team ball right now. I see the Suns winning this game str8 up.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2009 - 6:39 PM ET #13

    Bator.....I feel like defense will be optional in this game....any thoughts on the Over? 
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    Bator.....I feel like defense will be optional in this game....any thoughts on the Over? 
     
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    well good stats dude but even if they lose maybe they doant lose by more than 8, think on that fella ,i am a legend holla
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    well good stats dude but even if they lose maybe they doant lose by more than 8, think on that fella ,i am a legend holla
     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2009 - 6:41 PM ET #15

     Good stuff Mr. Bator

    I like the Jazz ML as well.  Lakers 2nd night of a back to back, travelling East (although not far), Kobe broken finger

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     Good stuff Mr. Bator

    I like the Jazz ML as well.  Lakers 2nd night of a back to back, travelling East (although not far), Kobe broken finger

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICoverSpreads:

    Phoenix had 2 days before last nights victory vs Orlando and Denver is returning from a 4 game road trip in which they looked terrible. Nuggets are in a funk right now. They've been horrible defensively, how the hell does Detroit score 100+ on em? They settle for crazy jumpshots and are not playin team ball right now. I see the Suns winning this game str8 up.



    Phoenix is worse on defense, and Denver annihilates team with bad defense at home, and no rest. (see Warriors and Lakers)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICoverSpreads:

    Phoenix had 2 days before last nights victory vs Orlando and Denver is returning from a 4 game road trip in which they looked terrible. Nuggets are in a funk right now. They've been horrible defensively, how the hell does Detroit score 100+ on em? They settle for crazy jumpshots and are not playin team ball right now. I see the Suns winning this game str8 up.



    Phoenix is worse on defense, and Denver annihilates team with bad defense at home, and no rest. (see Warriors and Lakers)
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kubrick:

    Hallelujah we agree Mr.Bator

     

     

    And that's the second strike.  

     

     

    (kidding, kidding)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kubrick:

    Hallelujah we agree Mr.Bator

     

     

    And that's the second strike.  

     

     

    (kidding, kidding)

     
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    Nice info mister........can't argue with those number's.......also like the under 225........
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    Nice info mister........can't argue with those number's.......also like the under 225........
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICoverSpreads:

    Phoenix had 2 days before last nights victory vs Orlando

     

     

    Phoenix had two days rest before facing Sacramento at home last Saturday, then got buried the next night against the Lakers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICoverSpreads:

    Phoenix had 2 days before last nights victory vs Orlando

     

     

    Phoenix had two days rest before facing Sacramento at home last Saturday, then got buried the next night against the Lakers.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICoverSpreads:

    Phoenix had 2 days before last nights victory vs Orlando and Denver is returning from a 4 game road trip in which they looked terrible. Nuggets are in a funk right now.

     

     

    That makes it even better.  I don't know about you, but I don't want to bet on a home favorite when they've been looking good their last few games.  I'd rather lay points with a home team that "looks" like they're laying too many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICoverSpreads:

    Phoenix had 2 days before last nights victory vs Orlando and Denver is returning from a 4 game road trip in which they looked terrible. Nuggets are in a funk right now.

     

     

    That makes it even better.  I don't know about you, but I don't want to bet on a home favorite when they've been looking good their last few games.  I'd rather lay points with a home team that "looks" like they're laying too many.

     
     
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    Tuesday in Charlotte the Nuggets accumulated only 11 assists. Thursday in Detroit they totalled 14. This team has horrible shot selection and they are not playin together right now. They don't have a killer instinct. Now's not the time to invest in this shit show.

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    Tuesday in Charlotte the Nuggets accumulated only 11 assists. Thursday in Detroit they totalled 14. This team has horrible shot selection and they are not playin together right now. They don't have a killer instinct. Now's not the time to invest in this shit show.

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