Coaches take their marching orders from Gm's and owners to get their teams to tank. Players (unless they are 'vets' who buy in with a wink and a nod) don't tank. But put a woeful lineup on the floor and they can't help but lose.
Young players in particular don't buy into tanking. Why? They typically ARE the new draft picks who need to impress!
Ivica Zubac was one of those young players on the Lakers.
He didn't "buy in" averaging 13 and 6 over his last 10 excluding last game.
Last game he went down with an ankle sprain. X-rays? Negative!
Lakers reaction? Shut him down for the year.
I am telling you now, if the Lakers win even ONE of their last 7 given the Suns do not win another game, my capping jaw will hit the floor.
If the Suns squeak one out, that will give the Lakers room to win ONE but they will lose out if stay at 20 and 21 respectively.
Stil have to play @ Clips, Memphis, @Spurs, and @ Warriors on the last day of the season. So you are only truly "tanking" a measly 3 more times.
If you are playing the Lakers you better get a Shi*load of points.
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What's the theory?
Coaches take their marching orders from Gm's and owners to get their teams to tank. Players (unless they are 'vets' who buy in with a wink and a nod) don't tank. But put a woeful lineup on the floor and they can't help but lose.
Young players in particular don't buy into tanking. Why? They typically ARE the new draft picks who need to impress!
Ivica Zubac was one of those young players on the Lakers.
He didn't "buy in" averaging 13 and 6 over his last 10 excluding last game.
Last game he went down with an ankle sprain. X-rays? Negative!
Lakers reaction? Shut him down for the year.
I am telling you now, if the Lakers win even ONE of their last 7 given the Suns do not win another game, my capping jaw will hit the floor.
If the Suns squeak one out, that will give the Lakers room to win ONE but they will lose out if stay at 20 and 21 respectively.
Stil have to play @ Clips, Memphis, @Spurs, and @ Warriors on the last day of the season. So you are only truly "tanking" a measly 3 more times.
If you are playing the Lakers you better get a Shi*load of points.
Zubac had high ankle sprain. Those take about 3-4 weeks to heal. There's only 2 weeks left in the season.
When Lou Williams was traded, I knew the Lakers were in tank mode. Or when Luol Deng and Mosgov were shut down for good. But Zubac? That makes no sense. They wanted to see what this guy could do
Zubac had high ankle sprain. Those take about 3-4 weeks to heal. There's only 2 weeks left in the season.
When Lou Williams was traded, I knew the Lakers were in tank mode. Or when Luol Deng and Mosgov were shut down for good. But Zubac? That makes no sense. They wanted to see what this guy could do
Coaches take their marching orders from Gm's and owners to get their teams to tank. Players (unless they are 'vets' who buy in with a wink and a nod) don't tank. But put a woeful lineup on the floor and they can't help but lose.
Young players in particular don't buy into tanking. Why? They typically ARE the new draft picks who need to impress!
Ivica Zubac was one of those young players on the Lakers.
He didn't "buy in" averaging 13 and 6 over his last 10 excluding last game.
Last game he went down with an ankle sprain. X-rays? Negative!
Lakers reaction? Shut him down for the year.
I am telling you now, if the Lakers win even ONE of their last 7 given the Suns do not win another game, my capping jaw will hit the floor.
If the Suns squeak one out, that will give the Lakers room to win ONE but they will lose out if stay at 20 and 21 respectively.
Stil have to play @ Clips, Memphis, @Spurs, and @ Warriors on the last day of the season. So you are only truly "tanking" a measly 3 more times.
If you are playing the Lakers you better get a Shi*load of points.
Lakers Opponent ML + another team's ML or ATS Parlay = the way to go.
Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:
What's the theory?
Coaches take their marching orders from Gm's and owners to get their teams to tank. Players (unless they are 'vets' who buy in with a wink and a nod) don't tank. But put a woeful lineup on the floor and they can't help but lose.
Young players in particular don't buy into tanking. Why? They typically ARE the new draft picks who need to impress!
Ivica Zubac was one of those young players on the Lakers.
He didn't "buy in" averaging 13 and 6 over his last 10 excluding last game.
Last game he went down with an ankle sprain. X-rays? Negative!
Lakers reaction? Shut him down for the year.
I am telling you now, if the Lakers win even ONE of their last 7 given the Suns do not win another game, my capping jaw will hit the floor.
If the Suns squeak one out, that will give the Lakers room to win ONE but they will lose out if stay at 20 and 21 respectively.
Stil have to play @ Clips, Memphis, @Spurs, and @ Warriors on the last day of the season. So you are only truly "tanking" a measly 3 more times.
If you are playing the Lakers you better get a Shi*load of points.
Lakers Opponent ML + another team's ML or ATS Parlay = the way to go.
Zubac had high ankle sprain. Those take about 3-4 weeks to heal. There's only 2 weeks left in the season.
When Lou Williams was traded, I knew the Lakers were in tank mode. Or when Luol Deng and Mosgov were shut down for good. But Zubac? That makes no sense. They wanted to see what this guy could do
I think they've seen enough and they like him. This is, i'm sure, a Magic call and it's actually smart. Why risk a young player you have high hopes for in a meaningless game. The problem is that it's bushleague. We can all assume that securing better odds to pull a no.1 overall pick isn't far from these GM's mental. And tanking, or "shutting down", this obviously is a slap in the face to fans. I hope it doesn't become the new norm.
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Quote Originally Posted by composite:
Zubac had high ankle sprain. Those take about 3-4 weeks to heal. There's only 2 weeks left in the season.
When Lou Williams was traded, I knew the Lakers were in tank mode. Or when Luol Deng and Mosgov were shut down for good. But Zubac? That makes no sense. They wanted to see what this guy could do
I think they've seen enough and they like him. This is, i'm sure, a Magic call and it's actually smart. Why risk a young player you have high hopes for in a meaningless game. The problem is that it's bushleague. We can all assume that securing better odds to pull a no.1 overall pick isn't far from these GM's mental. And tanking, or "shutting down", this obviously is a slap in the face to fans. I hope it doesn't become the new norm.
Poster #1 - Zubac is a nobody because he is a rookie.
Poster #2 - I 100% believe anything and everything I'm told by a team that is putting up the worst tanking job since Duncan was #1.
Ok there you have it.
I'll continue posting caps because even losing threads are more rational than this.
You are complaining about the Lakers making it obvious they are tanking because they are shutting down Zubac? What a waste of a post/thread. Zubac a decent/average player for a rookie but he does not even affect the line or outcome for the Lakers. He is a starter by default...Mozgov being shut down. Tariq Black will put up 10+ points a game as his replacement. If the Lakers are really making it obvious they would shut down Russell/Randle or Clarkson. Russell is the main guy they would shut down to guarantee a loss as he is putting up solid numbers and can put 30+ on any given day.
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Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:
Poster #1 - Zubac is a nobody because he is a rookie.
Poster #2 - I 100% believe anything and everything I'm told by a team that is putting up the worst tanking job since Duncan was #1.
Ok there you have it.
I'll continue posting caps because even losing threads are more rational than this.
You are complaining about the Lakers making it obvious they are tanking because they are shutting down Zubac? What a waste of a post/thread. Zubac a decent/average player for a rookie but he does not even affect the line or outcome for the Lakers. He is a starter by default...Mozgov being shut down. Tariq Black will put up 10+ points a game as his replacement. If the Lakers are really making it obvious they would shut down Russell/Randle or Clarkson. Russell is the main guy they would shut down to guarantee a loss as he is putting up solid numbers and can put 30+ on any given day.
Boy, I hope this comes back and bites them in the behind, and they get bumped out of the top 3, and the sixers get their pick. I would love to get two top 8 picks in this draft. Either way, with the top 5 teams being so guard heavy, and the top of the draft being all guards, along with the talent discrepancy minimal between top 7-8 picks, I think the sixers add Okafor to a trade to move up and go after fultz. He's the perfect fit with embiid, simmons, and saric, and it would put an end to the process, and the sixers future will be the brightest in the nba imo. I also believe, knowing that colangelo went hard after George at the deadline, that if the pacers don't win a series in the playoffs, that bird blows it up, and trades George. I'm 95% certain that colangelo makes a splash trade this off-season to bring in a star, and gets hinkies shadow out from under him. If he makes a trade for a George, Butler, Bledsoe type player, and adds him to embiid, simmons, and saric, along with the draft pick, I'm almost certain a top free agent jumps on board, and the sixers make a huge jump next season. Korkmanz, the kid overseas is lighting it up, and us the complete offensive package now. Some say he was the best shooter in last year's draft, and just needed to add weight/strength, so he could use his speed and handle, and be able to finish at the rim. Lowry, Reddick, George, simmons, embiid, with a bench of saric, luwawu, korkmanz, draft pick, Bayless, stauskas, Holmes, tj, (covington, Okafor go in the trade) is a colangelo title contending team right there imon, and a realistic outlook on the roster, because colangelo is making a big trade, take it to the bank. Sorry to get if topic a little.
Boy, I hope this comes back and bites them in the behind, and they get bumped out of the top 3, and the sixers get their pick. I would love to get two top 8 picks in this draft. Either way, with the top 5 teams being so guard heavy, and the top of the draft being all guards, along with the talent discrepancy minimal between top 7-8 picks, I think the sixers add Okafor to a trade to move up and go after fultz. He's the perfect fit with embiid, simmons, and saric, and it would put an end to the process, and the sixers future will be the brightest in the nba imo. I also believe, knowing that colangelo went hard after George at the deadline, that if the pacers don't win a series in the playoffs, that bird blows it up, and trades George. I'm 95% certain that colangelo makes a splash trade this off-season to bring in a star, and gets hinkies shadow out from under him. If he makes a trade for a George, Butler, Bledsoe type player, and adds him to embiid, simmons, and saric, along with the draft pick, I'm almost certain a top free agent jumps on board, and the sixers make a huge jump next season. Korkmanz, the kid overseas is lighting it up, and us the complete offensive package now. Some say he was the best shooter in last year's draft, and just needed to add weight/strength, so he could use his speed and handle, and be able to finish at the rim. Lowry, Reddick, George, simmons, embiid, with a bench of saric, luwawu, korkmanz, draft pick, Bayless, stauskas, Holmes, tj, (covington, Okafor go in the trade) is a colangelo title contending team right there imon, and a realistic outlook on the roster, because colangelo is making a big trade, take it to the bank. Sorry to get if topic a little.
Boy, I hope this comes back and bites them in the behind, and they get bumped out of the top 3, and the sixers get their pick. I would love to get two top 8 picks in this draft. Either way, with the top 5 teams being so guard heavy, and the top of the draft being all guards, along with the talent discrepancy minimal between top 7-8 picks, I think the sixers add Okafor to a trade to move up and go after fultz. He's the perfect fit with embiid, simmons, and saric, and it would put an end to the process, and the sixers future will be the brightest in the nba imo. I also believe, knowing that colangelo went hard after George at the deadline, that if the pacers don't win a series in the playoffs, that bird blows it up, and trades George. I'm 95% certain that colangelo makes a splash trade this off-season to bring in a star, and gets hinkies shadow out from under him. If he makes a trade for a George, Butler, Bledsoe type player, and adds him to embiid, simmons, and saric, along with the draft pick, I'm almost certain a top free agent jumps on board, and the sixers make a huge jump next season. Korkmanz, the kid overseas is lighting it up, and us the complete offensive package now. Some say he was the best shooter in last year's draft, and just needed to add weight/strength, so he could use his speed and handle, and be able to finish at the rim. Lowry, Reddick, George, simmons, embiid, with a bench of saric, luwawu, korkmanz, draft pick, Bayless, stauskas, Holmes, tj, (covington, Okafor go in the trade) is a colangelo title contending team right there imon, and a realistic outlook on the roster, because colangelo is making a big trade, take it to the bank. Sorry to get if topic a little.
I hate the Fakers as well. But is it is almost guaranteed they will get a top 3 pick. The NBA draft is fixed. The NBA needs the Lakers to be prominent as it is good for the league as a whole.
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Quote Originally Posted by Igglez:
Boy, I hope this comes back and bites them in the behind, and they get bumped out of the top 3, and the sixers get their pick. I would love to get two top 8 picks in this draft. Either way, with the top 5 teams being so guard heavy, and the top of the draft being all guards, along with the talent discrepancy minimal between top 7-8 picks, I think the sixers add Okafor to a trade to move up and go after fultz. He's the perfect fit with embiid, simmons, and saric, and it would put an end to the process, and the sixers future will be the brightest in the nba imo. I also believe, knowing that colangelo went hard after George at the deadline, that if the pacers don't win a series in the playoffs, that bird blows it up, and trades George. I'm 95% certain that colangelo makes a splash trade this off-season to bring in a star, and gets hinkies shadow out from under him. If he makes a trade for a George, Butler, Bledsoe type player, and adds him to embiid, simmons, and saric, along with the draft pick, I'm almost certain a top free agent jumps on board, and the sixers make a huge jump next season. Korkmanz, the kid overseas is lighting it up, and us the complete offensive package now. Some say he was the best shooter in last year's draft, and just needed to add weight/strength, so he could use his speed and handle, and be able to finish at the rim. Lowry, Reddick, George, simmons, embiid, with a bench of saric, luwawu, korkmanz, draft pick, Bayless, stauskas, Holmes, tj, (covington, Okafor go in the trade) is a colangelo title contending team right there imon, and a realistic outlook on the roster, because colangelo is making a big trade, take it to the bank. Sorry to get if topic a little.
I hate the Fakers as well. But is it is almost guaranteed they will get a top 3 pick. The NBA draft is fixed. The NBA needs the Lakers to be prominent as it is good for the league as a whole.
You are complaining about the Lakers making it obvious they are tanking because they are shutting down Zubac? What a waste of a post/thread. Zubac a decent/average player for a rookie but he does not even affect the line or outcome for the Lakers. He is a starter by default...Mozgov being shut down. Tariq Black will put up 10+ points a game as his replacement. If the Lakers are really making it obvious they would shut down Russell/Randle or Clarkson. Russell is the main guy they would shut down to guarantee a loss as he is putting up solid numbers and can put 30+ on any given day.
Dave, when someone publicly criticizes you, try to learn from it so it won't happen again.
There isn't a single poster here worth their weight in capping gold who would agree with Post #2.
Now you are saying that Russell and Randle have to get shut down to 'make it obvious' when they've been making it obvious since their dismal losing ways snowballed (and that has been for about 1.5 months!)?
You don't have to shut down EVERY SINGLE player on the team and play scabs to tank Dave.
Learn Learn Learn. And don't compare Tariq to Zubac...please. Yet another woeful statement.
Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:
You are complaining about the Lakers making it obvious they are tanking because they are shutting down Zubac? What a waste of a post/thread. Zubac a decent/average player for a rookie but he does not even affect the line or outcome for the Lakers. He is a starter by default...Mozgov being shut down. Tariq Black will put up 10+ points a game as his replacement. If the Lakers are really making it obvious they would shut down Russell/Randle or Clarkson. Russell is the main guy they would shut down to guarantee a loss as he is putting up solid numbers and can put 30+ on any given day.
Dave, when someone publicly criticizes you, try to learn from it so it won't happen again.
There isn't a single poster here worth their weight in capping gold who would agree with Post #2.
Now you are saying that Russell and Randle have to get shut down to 'make it obvious' when they've been making it obvious since their dismal losing ways snowballed (and that has been for about 1.5 months!)?
You don't have to shut down EVERY SINGLE player on the team and play scabs to tank Dave.
Learn Learn Learn. And don't compare Tariq to Zubac...please. Yet another woeful statement.
You are complaining about the Lakers making it obvious they are tanking because they are shutting down Zubac? What a waste of a post/thread. Zubac a decent/average player for a rookie but he does not even affect the line or outcome for the Lakers. He is a starter by default...Mozgov being shut down. Tariq Black will put up 10+ points a game as his replacement. If the Lakers are really making it obvious they would shut down Russell/Randle or Clarkson. Russell is the main guy they would shut down to guarantee a loss as he is putting up solid numbers and can put 30+ on any given day.
+1. I watch the Lakers a lot. Zubac is more polished than Tariq but Tariq brings a lot of energy to the game. It's not as if the Lakers shut down a guy like Kevin Durant or something. The difference between Zubac and Tariq is minimal.
And OP is assuming that the Lakers are exaggerating Zubac's injury. If this were the all-star break and they shut him down because of this, well, yes, they're obviously tanking.
But when they shut down Zubac with less than 10 games to play for a high ankle sprain? Well, that could be legit. It might not. But in the end, it won't matter that much.
Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:
You are complaining about the Lakers making it obvious they are tanking because they are shutting down Zubac? What a waste of a post/thread. Zubac a decent/average player for a rookie but he does not even affect the line or outcome for the Lakers. He is a starter by default...Mozgov being shut down. Tariq Black will put up 10+ points a game as his replacement. If the Lakers are really making it obvious they would shut down Russell/Randle or Clarkson. Russell is the main guy they would shut down to guarantee a loss as he is putting up solid numbers and can put 30+ on any given day.
+1. I watch the Lakers a lot. Zubac is more polished than Tariq but Tariq brings a lot of energy to the game. It's not as if the Lakers shut down a guy like Kevin Durant or something. The difference between Zubac and Tariq is minimal.
And OP is assuming that the Lakers are exaggerating Zubac's injury. If this were the all-star break and they shut him down because of this, well, yes, they're obviously tanking.
But when they shut down Zubac with less than 10 games to play for a high ankle sprain? Well, that could be legit. It might not. But in the end, it won't matter that much.
I hate the Fakers as well. But is it is almost guaranteed they will get a top 3 pick. The NBA draft is fixed. The NBA needs the Lakers to be prominent as it is good for the league as a whole.
You're right in that it's in the best interest for the league to have the Lakers rise to prominence again (as well as the Knicks and Celtics), but they're not doing the Lakers any favors to lead them back to Providence.
Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:
I hate the Fakers as well. But is it is almost guaranteed they will get a top 3 pick. The NBA draft is fixed. The NBA needs the Lakers to be prominent as it is good for the league as a whole.
You're right in that it's in the best interest for the league to have the Lakers rise to prominence again (as well as the Knicks and Celtics), but they're not doing the Lakers any favors to lead them back to Providence.
The Lakers are tanking, but not because of Zubac, they've been doing it since the all star break.
The Suns too, even resting starters in some games, guess they are resting them for the tough offseason.
It's a terrible image for the league.
No Bay, Zubac IS part of the tanking.
In fact, the Zubac issue is the WORST part of the tanking because it is the team removing the last line of defense (the young players who actually have energy and TRY to win the game) to lose out.
Everything that came before that is standard tanking and this takes it to the precipice before SCREAMING "We are TANKING!"
Quote Originally Posted by BayAreaVic:
The Lakers are tanking, but not because of Zubac, they've been doing it since the all star break.
The Suns too, even resting starters in some games, guess they are resting them for the tough offseason.
It's a terrible image for the league.
No Bay, Zubac IS part of the tanking.
In fact, the Zubac issue is the WORST part of the tanking because it is the team removing the last line of defense (the young players who actually have energy and TRY to win the game) to lose out.
Everything that came before that is standard tanking and this takes it to the precipice before SCREAMING "We are TANKING!"
Teams don't intentionally lose games. All franchises are forthright and honest in a league where one player at the top of your draft can change a team for a decade.
Yup, keep believing that tanking is just a conspiracy theory!
Quote Originally Posted by GTD:
Nobody's tanking it's all in ur head
Ok bud.
Teams don't intentionally lose games. All franchises are forthright and honest in a league where one player at the top of your draft can change a team for a decade.
Yup, keep believing that tanking is just a conspiracy theory!
So the Lakers won... shows you once again how retarded your post was. Zubac means nothing to the Lakers regarding tanking. He's a decent promising rookie and that's it. Lakers 5th or 6th best player. Thomas Robinson who took Zubacs minutes last 2 games...16 & 9....12 &10. Like I mentioned... if the Lakers were clearly making it obvious and wanted to mock Adam Silver... they would shut down Russell...Randle or Clarkson... shutting down Zubac and u had to crazy and essay that the Lakers are sticking it to Adam Silver GTFOH.
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So the Lakers won... shows you once again how retarded your post was. Zubac means nothing to the Lakers regarding tanking. He's a decent promising rookie and that's it. Lakers 5th or 6th best player. Thomas Robinson who took Zubacs minutes last 2 games...16 & 9....12 &10. Like I mentioned... if the Lakers were clearly making it obvious and wanted to mock Adam Silver... they would shut down Russell...Randle or Clarkson... shutting down Zubac and u had to crazy and essay that the Lakers are sticking it to Adam Silver GTFOH.
I knew the Lakers would try to win one of these last games because Walton does not want the 10 straight losses on his resume, draft picks be damned. But this win (against the Grizz) came early. Now the Lakers are in a bit of trouble (in terms of tanking) as they have no wiggle room. They have some winnable home games as well as that last game at GS where Kerr will rest everybody and their mothers.
I knew the Lakers would try to win one of these last games because Walton does not want the 10 straight losses on his resume, draft picks be damned. But this win (against the Grizz) came early. Now the Lakers are in a bit of trouble (in terms of tanking) as they have no wiggle room. They have some winnable home games as well as that last game at GS where Kerr will rest everybody and their mothers.
So the Lakers won... shows you once again how retarded your post was. Zubac means nothing to the Lakers regarding tanking. He's a decent promising rookie and that's it. Lakers 5th or 6th best player. Thomas Robinson who took Zubacs minutes last 2 games...16 & 9....12 &10. Like I mentioned... if the Lakers were clearly making it obvious and wanted to mock Adam Silver... they would shut down Russell...Randle or Clarkson... shutting down Zubac and u had to crazy and essay that the Lakers are sticking it to Adam Silver GTFOH.
Wow.
I mean, is this what Covers has become?
Where in this thread does it say the Lakers would 100% lose out?
Dave you really are degrading yourself here.
I've went into detail in the OP and said the players particularly the young ones do NOT BUY into tanking and you take that as a translation that they will LOSE OUT?
The GM and upper management find this win disgusting as the outcome could mean a lost draft pick.
I mean, do you even READ the thread? The point was by shutting down Zubac they increase their chance of tanking and they are doing it in plain sight.
If I said the Lakers would lose out, I'd bet the ML against them every night. I do not do that. But on many I do. But not all.
Bb of course you understand this. Dave apparently doesn't. And the Suns can most definitely win a game before seasons end because young players like Booker don't take tanking marching orders.
God help us all if this is what Covers has become.
Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:
So the Lakers won... shows you once again how retarded your post was. Zubac means nothing to the Lakers regarding tanking. He's a decent promising rookie and that's it. Lakers 5th or 6th best player. Thomas Robinson who took Zubacs minutes last 2 games...16 & 9....12 &10. Like I mentioned... if the Lakers were clearly making it obvious and wanted to mock Adam Silver... they would shut down Russell...Randle or Clarkson... shutting down Zubac and u had to crazy and essay that the Lakers are sticking it to Adam Silver GTFOH.
Wow.
I mean, is this what Covers has become?
Where in this thread does it say the Lakers would 100% lose out?
Dave you really are degrading yourself here.
I've went into detail in the OP and said the players particularly the young ones do NOT BUY into tanking and you take that as a translation that they will LOSE OUT?
The GM and upper management find this win disgusting as the outcome could mean a lost draft pick.
I mean, do you even READ the thread? The point was by shutting down Zubac they increase their chance of tanking and they are doing it in plain sight.
If I said the Lakers would lose out, I'd bet the ML against them every night. I do not do that. But on many I do. But not all.
Bb of course you understand this. Dave apparently doesn't. And the Suns can most definitely win a game before seasons end because young players like Booker don't take tanking marching orders.
God help us all if this is what Covers has become.
Ok bud.
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