No matter the outcome or his performance, Lebron is ridiculed. He is constantly compared to MJ...w/out fault. Whether legitimate or not... I don't know why. Obviously he may be a hair of what Jordan was for all these comparisons? As I don't hear them with any other player.
Lebron could score a 3xdouble and still be ridiculed. This kid entered the NBA in a basically lose/lose situation. He was heralded potentially the best in basketball before his first game. He may not have the killer instinct, but he is tough mentally. That is a lot of pressure to endure at such a young age and especially being raised by a single parent, a mother to be specific.
That said, Ill let all haters hi jack this thread...Lebron if not already will be the greatest all time. I know its hard for most to accept...especially those who never got to see MJ play but view him as a mythical figure. Its extremely hard to win the votes from those of a mythical pkayer but although lebron has much room for improvement...he is my vote for best player all time!!
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No matter the outcome or his performance, Lebron is ridiculed. He is constantly compared to MJ...w/out fault. Whether legitimate or not... I don't know why. Obviously he may be a hair of what Jordan was for all these comparisons? As I don't hear them with any other player.
Lebron could score a 3xdouble and still be ridiculed. This kid entered the NBA in a basically lose/lose situation. He was heralded potentially the best in basketball before his first game. He may not have the killer instinct, but he is tough mentally. That is a lot of pressure to endure at such a young age and especially being raised by a single parent, a mother to be specific.
That said, Ill let all haters hi jack this thread...Lebron if not already will be the greatest all time. I know its hard for most to accept...especially those who never got to see MJ play but view him as a mythical figure. Its extremely hard to win the votes from those of a mythical pkayer but although lebron has much room for improvement...he is my vote for best player all time!!
LeBron is great but will be 2nd best in the end..already lost two finals..Cleveland loss you can overlook, but no way Miami should have lost to Dallas... Also, had to leave his original team to win a title..Winning one title in Cleveland would have been one of the greatest achievements in basketball history, but he gave that up to go to Miami.. LeBron was big time tonight, but has been too passive with the game on the line in the past. Obviously, that was not the case tonight as he put on a show..We will always be left wondering if LeBron was great enough to lead four role players to a title, at least I will..
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LeBron is great but will be 2nd best in the end..already lost two finals..Cleveland loss you can overlook, but no way Miami should have lost to Dallas... Also, had to leave his original team to win a title..Winning one title in Cleveland would have been one of the greatest achievements in basketball history, but he gave that up to go to Miami.. LeBron was big time tonight, but has been too passive with the game on the line in the past. Obviously, that was not the case tonight as he put on a show..We will always be left wondering if LeBron was great enough to lead four role players to a title, at least I will..
jake, whats up bud, you say lebron will be 2nd best all time but dont present reasons why mj(assuming you think he is best like everyone has been told) is? Off the top of my head I bet lebrons shooting % I a betters than mj...mj was a ball hog. Media is putting it in everyones head mj is greatest all time so they follow....I belive lebron is better...eveen pippen is on record with that opinion.
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Good stuff fellas.
jake, whats up bud, you say lebron will be 2nd best all time but dont present reasons why mj(assuming you think he is best like everyone has been told) is? Off the top of my head I bet lebrons shooting % I a betters than mj...mj was a ball hog. Media is putting it in everyones head mj is greatest all time so they follow....I belive lebron is better...eveen pippen is on record with that opinion.
BW, I had same feelings towards him long ago also, but ive learn to forgive. You can admit he is a shell of himself now personality wise. Especially since he was so young...he was only in mid twenties when he made the "decision." He has grown since and been mature. He gave clev 7 yrs and was big thing there...and I wished he won one with them but unfortunately not. He now has been and will be the big thing in mia for a long time if not rest of his career.
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BW, I had same feelings towards him long ago also, but ive learn to forgive. You can admit he is a shell of himself now personality wise. Especially since he was so young...he was only in mid twenties when he made the "decision." He has grown since and been mature. He gave clev 7 yrs and was big thing there...and I wished he won one with them but unfortunately not. He now has been and will be the big thing in mia for a long time if not rest of his career.
I'm a Chicago guy and admittedly bias to begin with.. My argument for Jordan would be 6-0 in the Finals, and a guy that never disappeared in big games..(I would say LeBron has disappeared in a few games) Jordan was a ball hog, I agree with you, but when it came time to win the game he usually would..The Bulls were loaded with Pippen, Rodman, and Kukoc to go along with perfect role players.. I'm not a LeBron hater by any means, his jump shot was on tonight, and he is the best driver of all-time. I think you can definitely compare both, but I really wanted to see LeBron win a title in Cleveland and if he was able to accomplish that with the lack of talent around him, it would have been possibly the greatest NBA achievement of all-time..I kind of feel like he got scared, and took the easy way out going to Miami.. Lastly, the book is still being written because if LeBron keeps up the aggressive play as far as going to the basket, he will really be something to watch..Even though his jumper is greatly improved, I still think he relies out it too much considering he can get to the basket at will..I just think when it's all said and done, he will still be number 2, but time will tell..
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I'm a Chicago guy and admittedly bias to begin with.. My argument for Jordan would be 6-0 in the Finals, and a guy that never disappeared in big games..(I would say LeBron has disappeared in a few games) Jordan was a ball hog, I agree with you, but when it came time to win the game he usually would..The Bulls were loaded with Pippen, Rodman, and Kukoc to go along with perfect role players.. I'm not a LeBron hater by any means, his jump shot was on tonight, and he is the best driver of all-time. I think you can definitely compare both, but I really wanted to see LeBron win a title in Cleveland and if he was able to accomplish that with the lack of talent around him, it would have been possibly the greatest NBA achievement of all-time..I kind of feel like he got scared, and took the easy way out going to Miami.. Lastly, the book is still being written because if LeBron keeps up the aggressive play as far as going to the basket, he will really be something to watch..Even though his jumper is greatly improved, I still think he relies out it too much considering he can get to the basket at will..I just think when it's all said and done, he will still be number 2, but time will tell..
I'm talking about LeBron in Cleveland..I will always wonder if he could have won a title there with a bunch of role players..
At the end of the day, no matter how good this team looked before they conjoined, face it, wade and bosh ended up as role players. Case in point, Bosh zero points tonight.
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Quote Originally Posted by JakeLake720:
I'm talking about LeBron in Cleveland..I will always wonder if he could have won a title there with a bunch of role players..
At the end of the day, no matter how good this team looked before they conjoined, face it, wade and bosh ended up as role players. Case in point, Bosh zero points tonight.
He brought it all on himself.... from his nicknames "The King" and "The Chosen One" to driving a hummer in high school even though his mom had no money, to his entourage running wild through Quicken Loans Arena with the Cavs, to the Decision, to "not 1, not 2....", to "get back to their sad lives" he just doesn't get it.
If he'd shut up and play the game he'd get more respect, but it's always about his 'look at me' attitude with everything....he knows where every camera is every game..... I personally can't stand him because he did quit in Cleveland and did it (for a lack of a better term) in the biggest b!tch way possible. Winning hides a LOT of his flaws, but I'll guarantee as soon as things start looking bleak in Miami soon he'll be looking for the next better thing.
You have no idea how things ran within the Cleveland Caveliers orginization so STFU. For all we know all they cared about was selling out seats just to see James play but they never cared about him winning championships. James played 7 seasons with the Cavaliers and he never got nowhere. If i was him the longest i would have been with the Cavs would have been a year or two. James wanted to find the right team who can help him win championship not make money off him.
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Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:
He brought it all on himself.... from his nicknames "The King" and "The Chosen One" to driving a hummer in high school even though his mom had no money, to his entourage running wild through Quicken Loans Arena with the Cavs, to the Decision, to "not 1, not 2....", to "get back to their sad lives" he just doesn't get it.
If he'd shut up and play the game he'd get more respect, but it's always about his 'look at me' attitude with everything....he knows where every camera is every game..... I personally can't stand him because he did quit in Cleveland and did it (for a lack of a better term) in the biggest b!tch way possible. Winning hides a LOT of his flaws, but I'll guarantee as soon as things start looking bleak in Miami soon he'll be looking for the next better thing.
You have no idea how things ran within the Cleveland Caveliers orginization so STFU. For all we know all they cared about was selling out seats just to see James play but they never cared about him winning championships. James played 7 seasons with the Cavaliers and he never got nowhere. If i was him the longest i would have been with the Cavs would have been a year or two. James wanted to find the right team who can help him win championship not make money off him.
LeBron is a great player but yes his weakness is his jumpshot. His jump shot was falling tonight and I was impressed by his game. I think if your a Spurs fan and you tell them that LeBron shot all those jump shots you would think that they won. If they had to do it again, I still think you have to give him that jump shot. He played a hell of a game.
For all of those who say he's the greatest. Please stop. Is he the greatest? Possibly BUT realistically tell me how you can compare Jordan and him?
they played in different era's with different rules AND they play different positions
next we'll be arguing that Duncan is better than Magic or vice versa
Also to say that Jordan was a ball hog.... was he? yeah but he played in a system where they wanted/needed him to score
at the end of the day their games are different and were asked to different things for their teams to win
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LeBron is a great player but yes his weakness is his jumpshot. His jump shot was falling tonight and I was impressed by his game. I think if your a Spurs fan and you tell them that LeBron shot all those jump shots you would think that they won. If they had to do it again, I still think you have to give him that jump shot. He played a hell of a game.
For all of those who say he's the greatest. Please stop. Is he the greatest? Possibly BUT realistically tell me how you can compare Jordan and him?
they played in different era's with different rules AND they play different positions
next we'll be arguing that Duncan is better than Magic or vice versa
Also to say that Jordan was a ball hog.... was he? yeah but he played in a system where they wanted/needed him to score
at the end of the day their games are different and were asked to different things for their teams to win
Cal i respect ur capping. But to say wade is a role player is the most ridiculous statement ive ever heard of. Dude had a finals stat line that hasnt been done since isiah. He was best player on court in 3 of the 7 games for heat this series. So i guess scottie pippen was just a role player also cuz wades numbers blow pippens out of water. Stop bein foolish to support ur argument. If wade is on another team hes a mvp candidate. Pretty hard to dominate and put up those numbers still wen lebron literally has ball entire game. People say wade lost a step is foolish. He is a guy who thrives as well when he dominates ball. Wade without lebron is still top 5 player in league. Way better than melo any day of week. He didnt just lose all his talent but playing off the ball really hurt his game
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Cal i respect ur capping. But to say wade is a role player is the most ridiculous statement ive ever heard of. Dude had a finals stat line that hasnt been done since isiah. He was best player on court in 3 of the 7 games for heat this series. So i guess scottie pippen was just a role player also cuz wades numbers blow pippens out of water. Stop bein foolish to support ur argument. If wade is on another team hes a mvp candidate. Pretty hard to dominate and put up those numbers still wen lebron literally has ball entire game. People say wade lost a step is foolish. He is a guy who thrives as well when he dominates ball. Wade without lebron is still top 5 player in league. Way better than melo any day of week. He didnt just lose all his talent but playing off the ball really hurt his game
No one that saw michael jordan live in person or on tv in his prime would never in a million years say lebron is better. I saw jordan live in his prime multiple times. Ive seen kobe live multiple times And lebron multiple times. Jordan is the best. He won 6 in a row and retires in his prime and easily woulda won 8 in a row all while having better numbers than lebron. So someone please tell Me how lebron is better. And another thing pippen was a great player but wade is a better player than pippen. His numbers blow pippens away. Pippen was a 16 ppg player while wade 25. Pippen was better defender but thats about it and wade is very underrated as wing defender
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No one that saw michael jordan live in person or on tv in his prime would never in a million years say lebron is better. I saw jordan live in his prime multiple times. Ive seen kobe live multiple times And lebron multiple times. Jordan is the best. He won 6 in a row and retires in his prime and easily woulda won 8 in a row all while having better numbers than lebron. So someone please tell Me how lebron is better. And another thing pippen was a great player but wade is a better player than pippen. His numbers blow pippens away. Pippen was a 16 ppg player while wade 25. Pippen was better defender but thats about it and wade is very underrated as wing defender
No one that saw michael jordan live in person or on tv in his prime would never in a million years say lebron is better. I saw jordan live in his prime multiple times. Ive seen kobe live multiple times And lebron multiple times. Jordan is the best. He won 6 in a row and retires in his prime and easily woulda won 8 in a row all while having better numbers than lebron. So someone please tell Me how lebron is better. And another thing pippen was a great player but wade is a better player than pippen. His numbers blow pippens away. Pippen was a 16 ppg player while wade 25. Pippen was better defender but thats about it and wade is very underrated as wing defender
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Quote Originally Posted by KobezKing:
No one that saw michael jordan live in person or on tv in his prime would never in a million years say lebron is better. I saw jordan live in his prime multiple times. Ive seen kobe live multiple times And lebron multiple times. Jordan is the best. He won 6 in a row and retires in his prime and easily woulda won 8 in a row all while having better numbers than lebron. So someone please tell Me how lebron is better. And another thing pippen was a great player but wade is a better player than pippen. His numbers blow pippens away. Pippen was a 16 ppg player while wade 25. Pippen was better defender but thats about it and wade is very underrated as wing defender
hes an animal definitely 1a and 1b with Jordan. I think he would really solidify himself as THE best of all time if he goes back to Cleveland and wins there. He doesn't have the pressure of getting his first anymore and i think with kyrie and lebron to build around he can do it and he certainly owes that city a ring. Woudl be an unbelievable story
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hes an animal definitely 1a and 1b with Jordan. I think he would really solidify himself as THE best of all time if he goes back to Cleveland and wins there. He doesn't have the pressure of getting his first anymore and i think with kyrie and lebron to build around he can do it and he certainly owes that city a ring. Woudl be an unbelievable story
MJ was drafted by played for and won 6 titles with ONE team... He never needed to make a "decision" to link up with Dominique Wilkins and Patrick Ewing in order to become a champion... Lebron is the best player in the world right now... MJ is the best the world has ever seen... End of argument!
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MJ was drafted by played for and won 6 titles with ONE team... He never needed to make a "decision" to link up with Dominique Wilkins and Patrick Ewing in order to become a champion... Lebron is the best player in the world right now... MJ is the best the world has ever seen... End of argument!
jake, whats up bud, you say lebron will be 2nd best all time but dont present reasons why mj(assuming you think he is best like everyone has been told) is? Off the top of my head I bet lebrons shooting % I a betters than mj...mj was a ball hog. Media is putting it in everyones head mj is greatest all time so they follow....I belive lebron is better...eveen pippen is on record with that opinion.
Your calling Lebron the greatest ever and you can't get your facts right ? Go figure, enough said...................................
MJ shot over 51% 6 times, Lebron 3
MJ shot over 53% 4 times Lebron 2.
MJ has more steals per game, more blocks per game, fewer turnovers per game, shoots a higher % from the field, scores more points per game, shoots a higher % from the line.
What does Lebron do ? Gets a bity more rebounds and assist, and shoots 1% better in 3's. . MJ better at everything else.
MJ shot his regular season ave in 11 of his 1st 17 NBA finals games.64.7%
Lebron shot his regular season ave in 5 of 18 NBA finals games as a Heat, 27.78%
Lebron shot within 5% of his regular season ave in just 6 of 18 NBA final games as a Heat, 33.33%
MJ shot and by a landslide his regular season ave more often then Lebron could shot within 5% of his.........................................
And you think Lebron is a higher % shooter, interesting...........................
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Quote Originally Posted by CalBear:
Good stuff fellas.
jake, whats up bud, you say lebron will be 2nd best all time but dont present reasons why mj(assuming you think he is best like everyone has been told) is? Off the top of my head I bet lebrons shooting % I a betters than mj...mj was a ball hog. Media is putting it in everyones head mj is greatest all time so they follow....I belive lebron is better...eveen pippen is on record with that opinion.
Your calling Lebron the greatest ever and you can't get your facts right ? Go figure, enough said...................................
MJ shot over 51% 6 times, Lebron 3
MJ shot over 53% 4 times Lebron 2.
MJ has more steals per game, more blocks per game, fewer turnovers per game, shoots a higher % from the field, scores more points per game, shoots a higher % from the line.
What does Lebron do ? Gets a bity more rebounds and assist, and shoots 1% better in 3's. . MJ better at everything else.
MJ shot his regular season ave in 11 of his 1st 17 NBA finals games.64.7%
Lebron shot his regular season ave in 5 of 18 NBA finals games as a Heat, 27.78%
Lebron shot within 5% of his regular season ave in just 6 of 18 NBA final games as a Heat, 33.33%
MJ shot and by a landslide his regular season ave more often then Lebron could shot within 5% of his.........................................
And you think Lebron is a higher % shooter, interesting...........................
Cleveland's owner used Lebron...Lebron made so much $$ for that organization and they were too STINGY enough to bring in a legitimate player(star) to help Lebron...FCK CLEVELAND !!!!...Lebron could make any team in the NBA contenders right off the bat!!! PIN POINT BLANK...Bobcats would win east easily with Lebron
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Cleveland's owner used Lebron...Lebron made so much $$ for that organization and they were too STINGY enough to bring in a legitimate player(star) to help Lebron...FCK CLEVELAND !!!!...Lebron could make any team in the NBA contenders right off the bat!!! PIN POINT BLANK...Bobcats would win east easily with Lebron
IN 2013 NBA finals alone, Lebron shot 12.5% or worse below his regular season shot % in 5 of 7 games.
Certainly would be one of the worst ever performances in NBA finals history for a series MVP.
MJ shot 12.5% below his regular season shooting % in 1 of 17 NBA finals games.
The guy thinks Lebron is the best ever with a higher shooting % but has no clue about the actual facts, only on covers ..............................................
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IN 2013 NBA finals alone, Lebron shot 12.5% or worse below his regular season shot % in 5 of 7 games.
Certainly would be one of the worst ever performances in NBA finals history for a series MVP.
MJ shot 12.5% below his regular season shooting % in 1 of 17 NBA finals games.
The guy thinks Lebron is the best ever with a higher shooting % but has no clue about the actual facts, only on covers ..............................................
You have no idea how things ran within the Cleveland Caveliers orginization so STFU. For all we know all they cared about was selling out seats just to see James play but they never cared about him winning championships. James played 7 seasons with the Cavaliers and he never got nowhere. If i was him the longest i would have been with the Cavs would have been a year or two. James wanted to find the right team who can help him win championship not make money off him.
You should take your own advice.
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Quote Originally Posted by lurker123:
You have no idea how things ran within the Cleveland Caveliers orginization so STFU. For all we know all they cared about was selling out seats just to see James play but they never cared about him winning championships. James played 7 seasons with the Cavaliers and he never got nowhere. If i was him the longest i would have been with the Cavs would have been a year or two. James wanted to find the right team who can help him win championship not make money off him.
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...Lebron could make any team in the NBA contenders right off the bat!!! PIN POINT BLANK...Bobcats would win east easily with Lebron
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