I remember the days when people hated on Kobe worse then they do Lebron today.
Lebron is the better basketball player. HANDS DOWN.
Did you know this :
LeBron James finished tonight with 31 points, 8 rebounds, 8 assists, 4 steals and 3 blocks. Over the past 25 seasons, there have been just 10 instances of a player reaching all those statistical thresholds in the same game. The only 2 players to do it twice? LeBron James and Michael Jordan. Here's the list: Michael Jordan (2) LeBron James (2) Hakeem OlajuwonDavid RobinsonChris WebberOliver MillerKevin GarnettDwyane Wade.
Do you see KOBE anywhere on a list like this ?
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I remember the days when people hated on Kobe worse then they do Lebron today.
Lebron is the better basketball player. HANDS DOWN.
Did you know this :
LeBron James finished tonight with 31 points, 8 rebounds, 8 assists, 4 steals and 3 blocks. Over the past 25 seasons, there have been just 10 instances of a player reaching all those statistical thresholds in the same game. The only 2 players to do it twice? LeBron James and Michael Jordan. Here's the list: Michael Jordan (2) LeBron James (2) Hakeem OlajuwonDavid RobinsonChris WebberOliver MillerKevin GarnettDwyane Wade.
He's a better player today, no doubt...but Kobe > Lebron until Lebron gets some rings. Lebron puts up better stats because he's a freak of nature physically but Kobe is just the better basketball player...what happens when Lebron loses a step? Kobe has learned to adapt his game as he aged, I wonder how Lebron will respond. If he doesn't improve his post game or improve his outside shot, he'll be like another vince carter when he's 34
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He's a better player today, no doubt...but Kobe > Lebron until Lebron gets some rings. Lebron puts up better stats because he's a freak of nature physically but Kobe is just the better basketball player...what happens when Lebron loses a step? Kobe has learned to adapt his game as he aged, I wonder how Lebron will respond. If he doesn't improve his post game or improve his outside shot, he'll be like another vince carter when he's 34
i was one of those people who disliked Kobe but Lebron is such a douche cake that he turns past Kobe haters into liking Kobe. because spite of Bryant being un-likable basketball-wise he has always been a professional and handles himself far better than Lebron ever has as an NBA player.
Don't get it twisted, Kobe is now 33 (though the 40 pt barrage wld say other-wise) & you're now comparing Lebron in his prime spite of everything Bryant has achieved in his career.
Remember in recent statements by Jordan about Kobe being the only one who deserves comparisons. NO ONE ELSE! The GOAT said it himself. He has also statd in the past that Bryant is better than Lebron.
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i was one of those people who disliked Kobe but Lebron is such a douche cake that he turns past Kobe haters into liking Kobe. because spite of Bryant being un-likable basketball-wise he has always been a professional and handles himself far better than Lebron ever has as an NBA player.
Don't get it twisted, Kobe is now 33 (though the 40 pt barrage wld say other-wise) & you're now comparing Lebron in his prime spite of everything Bryant has achieved in his career.
Remember in recent statements by Jordan about Kobe being the only one who deserves comparisons. NO ONE ELSE! The GOAT said it himself. He has also statd in the past that Bryant is better than Lebron.
He's a better player today, no doubt...but Kobe > Lebron until Lebron gets some rings. Lebron puts up better stats because he's a freak of nature physically but Kobe is just the better basketball player...what happens when Lebron loses a step? Kobe has learned to adapt his game as he aged, I wonder how Lebron will respond. If he doesn't improve his post game or improve his outside shot, he'll be like another vince carter when he's 34
yup, If Lebron had the same worth ethic as Kobe then his longevity in the league will be prolonged as Kobe has with his. Unfortunately we don't see the same discipline from Lebron.
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Quote Originally Posted by PerchiN:
He's a better player today, no doubt...but Kobe > Lebron until Lebron gets some rings. Lebron puts up better stats because he's a freak of nature physically but Kobe is just the better basketball player...what happens when Lebron loses a step? Kobe has learned to adapt his game as he aged, I wonder how Lebron will respond. If he doesn't improve his post game or improve his outside shot, he'll be like another vince carter when he's 34
yup, If Lebron had the same worth ethic as Kobe then his longevity in the league will be prolonged as Kobe has with his. Unfortunately we don't see the same discipline from Lebron.
People forget that back in the day, Kobe was similar to Lebron. Driving past everyone, dunking on everyone...but he slowed down, everyone does. He developed a post game, can shoot threes, worked on his footwork, and is now primarily a jump shooter.
What happens when Lebron slows down? He won't be able to rely on his freakish athleticism to blow by everyone. It will be interesting to see how his game develops.
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People forget that back in the day, Kobe was similar to Lebron. Driving past everyone, dunking on everyone...but he slowed down, everyone does. He developed a post game, can shoot threes, worked on his footwork, and is now primarily a jump shooter.
What happens when Lebron slows down? He won't be able to rely on his freakish athleticism to blow by everyone. It will be interesting to see how his game develops.
like the link PR9 but this guy goes way too deep than needed....as you can see by my avatar I don't think anybody surpasses my idol in the avatar, but Kobe Bryant is the closest in this generation even though I am not a fan of him as a person or in general...
LeBron is still very young and definitely will be amongst the greats to play in the NBA without a doubt...tonight was a great example of what he could have been if he remained in Cleveland and if he was able to recruit some guys over there...
it is for this reason that LeBron James will never be Michael Jordan in my opinion. Everybody forgets how great Chris Bosh really was in Toronto because he had no help there but the guy was magnificent...if LeBron wanted to be like the jersey number he used to wear he would have done what he is doing in Miami right now without Dwyane Wade due to a bad ankle....
he actually plays better without Dwyane Wade and that is not shocking at all to me...and there were no signs of him being sick tonight other than "sick" in a cool way....he relished this matchup and was ready for Los Angeles today...congrats to him on a nice game nevertheless
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like the link PR9 but this guy goes way too deep than needed....as you can see by my avatar I don't think anybody surpasses my idol in the avatar, but Kobe Bryant is the closest in this generation even though I am not a fan of him as a person or in general...
LeBron is still very young and definitely will be amongst the greats to play in the NBA without a doubt...tonight was a great example of what he could have been if he remained in Cleveland and if he was able to recruit some guys over there...
it is for this reason that LeBron James will never be Michael Jordan in my opinion. Everybody forgets how great Chris Bosh really was in Toronto because he had no help there but the guy was magnificent...if LeBron wanted to be like the jersey number he used to wear he would have done what he is doing in Miami right now without Dwyane Wade due to a bad ankle....
he actually plays better without Dwyane Wade and that is not shocking at all to me...and there were no signs of him being sick tonight other than "sick" in a cool way....he relished this matchup and was ready for Los Angeles today...congrats to him on a nice game nevertheless
Lebron homers will always be Lebron homers while Kobe homers will always be Kobe homers....I'm a Lakers fan and I have no problem saying that Lebron is better than Kobe now.
Enjoy Lebron while he's in his prime...
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Quote Originally Posted by DickyR:
https://youtu.be/NJYoGV38c1Y
2011 comparison.
There is NO argument after watching that video.
Lebron homers will always be Lebron homers while Kobe homers will always be Kobe homers....I'm a Lakers fan and I have no problem saying that Lebron is better than Kobe now.
I remember the days when people hated on Kobe worse then they do Lebron today.
Lebron is the better basketball player. HANDS DOWN.
Did you know this :
LeBron James finished tonight with 31 points, 8 rebounds, 8 assists, 4 steals and 3 blocks. Over the past 25 seasons, there have been just 10 instances of a player reaching all those statistical thresholds in the same game. The only 2 players to do it twice? LeBron James and Michael Jordan. Here's the list: Michael Jordan (2) LeBron James (2) Hakeem OlajuwonDavid RobinsonChris WebberOliver MillerKevin GarnettDwyane Wade.
Do you see KOBE anywhere on a list like this ?
This is stupid seriously. You are comparing a healthy young lebron james to a 33 year old Kobe bryant who has a pinky of a 80 year old and who has a wrist injury if i am not mistaken. Until Lebron gets his ring he cannot be compared to kobe. alls we can conclude if he retires without a ring is that he is one of the bests without rings and will only be talked about together with people without rings like malone and miller. Kobe had his time, not that he is not good today but he was at is best during 05-09. Maybe if lebron scores more than the 81 points kobe put up then he can be talked about with the likes of kobe or jordan but for now you are wrong my friend. Lebron is good no doubt but he is nothing.
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Quote Originally Posted by DickyR:
I remember the days when people hated on Kobe worse then they do Lebron today.
Lebron is the better basketball player. HANDS DOWN.
Did you know this :
LeBron James finished tonight with 31 points, 8 rebounds, 8 assists, 4 steals and 3 blocks. Over the past 25 seasons, there have been just 10 instances of a player reaching all those statistical thresholds in the same game. The only 2 players to do it twice? LeBron James and Michael Jordan. Here's the list: Michael Jordan (2) LeBron James (2) Hakeem OlajuwonDavid RobinsonChris WebberOliver MillerKevin GarnettDwyane Wade.
Do you see KOBE anywhere on a list like this ?
This is stupid seriously. You are comparing a healthy young lebron james to a 33 year old Kobe bryant who has a pinky of a 80 year old and who has a wrist injury if i am not mistaken. Until Lebron gets his ring he cannot be compared to kobe. alls we can conclude if he retires without a ring is that he is one of the bests without rings and will only be talked about together with people without rings like malone and miller. Kobe had his time, not that he is not good today but he was at is best during 05-09. Maybe if lebron scores more than the 81 points kobe put up then he can be talked about with the likes of kobe or jordan but for now you are wrong my friend. Lebron is good no doubt but he is nothing.
it's not stupid because the debates of the greatest players happen in all sports but the way PR9's video link broke things down I'd have to say it was definitely skewed towards LeBron James....stats are nice to see no doubt but they hardly tell the whole story....
and I'm not even a Kobe Bryant fan by no means I think the guy is a douchebag....regardless as it stands in this era he is the one I'd take if I had to win one game because he doesn't care what people think of him...same with Derrick Rose and Chris Paul they have that same chippiness to them in terms of competing and wanting the ball....
LeBron James makes his teammates better and is a nicer guy but his departure from Cleveland changes his resume with regards to the legends who played this game....but he's hardly alone in doing what he did it just way more publicity because that is the world we live in today unfortunately....
kobe bryant and his father made demands to play for the Lakers and he wasn't going to sign a contract in Charlotte from the things I've read about Bryant....Jerry West gets credited with finding him is a pile of garbage
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it's not stupid because the debates of the greatest players happen in all sports but the way PR9's video link broke things down I'd have to say it was definitely skewed towards LeBron James....stats are nice to see no doubt but they hardly tell the whole story....
and I'm not even a Kobe Bryant fan by no means I think the guy is a douchebag....regardless as it stands in this era he is the one I'd take if I had to win one game because he doesn't care what people think of him...same with Derrick Rose and Chris Paul they have that same chippiness to them in terms of competing and wanting the ball....
LeBron James makes his teammates better and is a nicer guy but his departure from Cleveland changes his resume with regards to the legends who played this game....but he's hardly alone in doing what he did it just way more publicity because that is the world we live in today unfortunately....
kobe bryant and his father made demands to play for the Lakers and he wasn't going to sign a contract in Charlotte from the things I've read about Bryant....Jerry West gets credited with finding him is a pile of garbage
Michael Jordan is better than both of them due to a simple fact - he was the most efficient player ever. He used his athleticism (better than Kobe's, less than LBJ's) to its full potential, getting to open spots, getting easy shots. MJ probably took the most number of easy, open, one-move shots in the game. He was the smartest of the three, with a killer work ethic, and the discipline to do what was needed to win, even if it meant playing off the ball.
Among the three, Kobe is the best when it comes down to pure basketball skill. He has better shooting, better footwork, better ball handling. However, Kobe is nowhere near as athletic as MJ or LBJ. An even bigger flaw is that Kobe wants to win games by himself, as opposed to winning games, period. This is why you often see Kobe with more shot attempts than Pau and Bynum combined. Kobe takes extremely low percentage shots with his long fade-aways, not exactly efficient. He'll make some of them cos he's great, but he'll miss a lot more because shots like those are TOUGH.
LBJ, most athletic of the three, a real freak of nature. He also has the best court vision among the three. I think it's unfair to compare LBJ to MJ and Kobe simply because he's more Magic and Jordan. Lebron is a team player. He loves passing that ball, and being part of a team. The problem is that with his considerable gifts, he could be doing a lot more. LBJ tends to settle for jumpers, which I can only assume is due to laziness and a lack of competitiveness. Of course, since he's such a physical freak, he's going to outplay most people in this generation, Kobe included.
So who's better? I'll have to go with:
MJ, Lebron, Kobe. And man, I am a HUGE Kobe fan.
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Hopefully, we can all agree on this:
Michael Jordan is better than both of them due to a simple fact - he was the most efficient player ever. He used his athleticism (better than Kobe's, less than LBJ's) to its full potential, getting to open spots, getting easy shots. MJ probably took the most number of easy, open, one-move shots in the game. He was the smartest of the three, with a killer work ethic, and the discipline to do what was needed to win, even if it meant playing off the ball.
Among the three, Kobe is the best when it comes down to pure basketball skill. He has better shooting, better footwork, better ball handling. However, Kobe is nowhere near as athletic as MJ or LBJ. An even bigger flaw is that Kobe wants to win games by himself, as opposed to winning games, period. This is why you often see Kobe with more shot attempts than Pau and Bynum combined. Kobe takes extremely low percentage shots with his long fade-aways, not exactly efficient. He'll make some of them cos he's great, but he'll miss a lot more because shots like those are TOUGH.
LBJ, most athletic of the three, a real freak of nature. He also has the best court vision among the three. I think it's unfair to compare LBJ to MJ and Kobe simply because he's more Magic and Jordan. Lebron is a team player. He loves passing that ball, and being part of a team. The problem is that with his considerable gifts, he could be doing a lot more. LBJ tends to settle for jumpers, which I can only assume is due to laziness and a lack of competitiveness. Of course, since he's such a physical freak, he's going to outplay most people in this generation, Kobe included.
This is stupid seriously. You are comparing a healthy young lebron james to a 33 year old Kobe bryant who has a pinky of a 80 year old and who has a wrist injury if i am not mistaken. Until Lebron gets his ring he cannot be compared to kobe. alls we can conclude if he retires without a ring is that he is one of the bests without rings and will only be talked about together with people without rings like malone and miller. Kobe had his time, not that he is not good today but he was at is best during 05-09. Maybe if lebron scores more than the 81 points kobe put up then he can be talked about with the likes of kobe or jordan but for now you are wrong my friend. Lebron is good no doubt but he is nothing.
Man are you f-in stupid. Lebron needs to score 81 to be better than KOBE ? Lebron took two shitty teams to the FINALS. He will get plenty of rings. Beyond that responding to an idiot like you is useless.
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Quote Originally Posted by JPSM:
This is stupid seriously. You are comparing a healthy young lebron james to a 33 year old Kobe bryant who has a pinky of a 80 year old and who has a wrist injury if i am not mistaken. Until Lebron gets his ring he cannot be compared to kobe. alls we can conclude if he retires without a ring is that he is one of the bests without rings and will only be talked about together with people without rings like malone and miller. Kobe had his time, not that he is not good today but he was at is best during 05-09. Maybe if lebron scores more than the 81 points kobe put up then he can be talked about with the likes of kobe or jordan but for now you are wrong my friend. Lebron is good no doubt but he is nothing.
Man are you f-in stupid. Lebron needs to score 81 to be better than KOBE ? Lebron took two shitty teams to the FINALS. He will get plenty of rings. Beyond that responding to an idiot like you is useless.
Michael Jordan is better than both of them due to a simple fact - he was the most efficient player ever. He used his athleticism (better than Kobe's, less than LBJ's) to its full potential, getting to open spots, getting easy shots. MJ probably took the most number of easy, open, one-move shots in the game. He was the smartest of the three, with a killer work ethic, and the discipline to do what was needed to win, even if it meant playing off the ball.
Among the three, Kobe is the best when it comes down to pure basketball skill. He has better shooting, better footwork, better ball handling. However, Kobe is nowhere near as athletic as MJ or LBJ. An even bigger flaw is that Kobe wants to win games by himself, as opposed to winning games, period. This is why you often see Kobe with more shot attempts than Pau and Bynum combined. Kobe takes extremely low percentage shots with his long fade-aways, not exactly efficient. He'll make some of them cos he's great, but he'll miss a lot more because shots like those are TOUGH.
LBJ, most athletic of the three, a real freak of nature. He also has the best court vision among the three. I think it's unfair to compare LBJ to MJ and Kobe simply because he's more Magic and Jordan. Lebron is a team player. He loves passing that ball, and being part of a team. The problem is that with his considerable gifts, he could be doing a lot more. LBJ tends to settle for jumpers, which I can only assume is due to laziness and a lack of competitiveness. Of course, since he's such a physical freak, he's going to outplay most people in this generation, Kobe included.
So who's better? I'll have to go with:
MJ, Lebron, Kobe. And man, I am a HUGE Kobe fan.
JORDAN is the best out of the three. To say Kobe is the better shooter better ball handler and blah blah blah is just f-cking ignorant.
Since you can't read. Click and paste this link and eat crow.
https://youtu.be/NJYoGV38c1Y
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Quote Originally Posted by baller85:
Hopefully, we can all agree on this:
Michael Jordan is better than both of them due to a simple fact - he was the most efficient player ever. He used his athleticism (better than Kobe's, less than LBJ's) to its full potential, getting to open spots, getting easy shots. MJ probably took the most number of easy, open, one-move shots in the game. He was the smartest of the three, with a killer work ethic, and the discipline to do what was needed to win, even if it meant playing off the ball.
Among the three, Kobe is the best when it comes down to pure basketball skill. He has better shooting, better footwork, better ball handling. However, Kobe is nowhere near as athletic as MJ or LBJ. An even bigger flaw is that Kobe wants to win games by himself, as opposed to winning games, period. This is why you often see Kobe with more shot attempts than Pau and Bynum combined. Kobe takes extremely low percentage shots with his long fade-aways, not exactly efficient. He'll make some of them cos he's great, but he'll miss a lot more because shots like those are TOUGH.
LBJ, most athletic of the three, a real freak of nature. He also has the best court vision among the three. I think it's unfair to compare LBJ to MJ and Kobe simply because he's more Magic and Jordan. Lebron is a team player. He loves passing that ball, and being part of a team. The problem is that with his considerable gifts, he could be doing a lot more. LBJ tends to settle for jumpers, which I can only assume is due to laziness and a lack of competitiveness. Of course, since he's such a physical freak, he's going to outplay most people in this generation, Kobe included.
So who's better? I'll have to go with:
MJ, Lebron, Kobe. And man, I am a HUGE Kobe fan.
JORDAN is the best out of the three. To say Kobe is the better shooter better ball handler and blah blah blah is just f-cking ignorant.
Since you can't read. Click and paste this link and eat crow.
i was one of those people who disliked Kobe but Lebron is such a douche cake that he turns past Kobe haters into liking Kobe. because spite of Bryant being un-likable basketball-wise he has always been a professional and handles himself far better than Lebron ever has as an NBA player.
Don't get it twisted, Kobe is now 33 (though the 40 pt barrage wld say other-wise) & you're now comparing Lebron in his prime spite of everything Bryant has achieved in his career.
Remember in recent statements by Jordan about Kobe being the only one who deserves comparisons. NO ONE ELSE! The GOAT said it himself. He has also statd in the past that Bryant is better than Lebron.
i agree with you except for me personally i still hate kobe more just because im a huge Celtics fan and as a celtic fan, lakers hate runs deep.. lol.
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Quote Originally Posted by 3BallBomber:
i was one of those people who disliked Kobe but Lebron is such a douche cake that he turns past Kobe haters into liking Kobe. because spite of Bryant being un-likable basketball-wise he has always been a professional and handles himself far better than Lebron ever has as an NBA player.
Don't get it twisted, Kobe is now 33 (though the 40 pt barrage wld say other-wise) & you're now comparing Lebron in his prime spite of everything Bryant has achieved in his career.
Remember in recent statements by Jordan about Kobe being the only one who deserves comparisons. NO ONE ELSE! The GOAT said it himself. He has also statd in the past that Bryant is better than Lebron.
i agree with you except for me personally i still hate kobe more just because im a huge Celtics fan and as a celtic fan, lakers hate runs deep.. lol.
My thought's is that Jordan is the best player of all time, no one changed the way the game was played like him. As for the Kobe Lebron debate I think it is hard to compare them. If you like a player who is just a flat out scorer you would always go with Kobe. But if you want a guy who can do it all you would go with Lebron.
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My thought's is that Jordan is the best player of all time, no one changed the way the game was played like him. As for the Kobe Lebron debate I think it is hard to compare them. If you like a player who is just a flat out scorer you would always go with Kobe. But if you want a guy who can do it all you would go with Lebron.
Nice homer youtube video of lebron little dicky,but i could make the same video of kobe filled with stats that would blow lebron out of the water. Let's start with this..............CHAMPIONSHIP RINGS-------------------KOBE 5 LEBRON 0 none nada zilch cerro zero in other words.......lebron's finger is BARE and void of any championship rings....oh wait a minute....he does have an eastern conference championship ring,but he choked it off in the big game!
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Nice homer youtube video of lebron little dicky,but i could make the same video of kobe filled with stats that would blow lebron out of the water. Let's start with this..............CHAMPIONSHIP RINGS-------------------KOBE 5 LEBRON 0 none nada zilch cerro zero in other words.......lebron's finger is BARE and void of any championship rings....oh wait a minute....he does have an eastern conference championship ring,but he choked it off in the big game!
That video is a fucking joke. Many of the statistics that are being compared head to head can't actually be compared in that way because of things like sample size, etc.
For example (and I'm making up the stat to make the point), who cares if Kobe has 200 playoff games with 0 assists and LeBron has 1 playoff game with 0 assists when that was the only playoff game LeBron ever played in.
15 minutes of garbage in that video.
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That video is a fucking joke. Many of the statistics that are being compared head to head can't actually be compared in that way because of things like sample size, etc.
For example (and I'm making up the stat to make the point), who cares if Kobe has 200 playoff games with 0 assists and LeBron has 1 playoff game with 0 assists when that was the only playoff game LeBron ever played in.
Shaq, who was the most dominant force I have ever seen from 98 to 03, hand delivered kobe 3 rings. Shaq was more dominant than Jordan in Shaq's prime. When shaq went to miami he was not the same, that's why he saw 10 minutes less per game with that bad back, and didn't see near the triple teams he saw in previous years when he was in LA.
And of course, for the last two titles, EVERY western conference team feared the Lakers dominant length in their front court. NO TEAM in the west could match up with the combo of Bynum/Gasol/Odom. And that is why the lakers breezed through that conference in the playoffs. No western team was fearful of Kobe the stringbean Bryant, they were fearful of the length of that front court. What was a very underrated aspect of that front court was that they could ALL PASS the ball very well for bigs. This was an added benefit that a lot of people miss.. To go along with their great rebounding allowing kobe to jack up more shots as he pleased. The bigs would get the rebound and rescue him from his shotjacking and chucking time and time again.
The moment Dallas got Chandler, to go with Dirk up front last year, and the moment OKC got Perkins to go with Ibaka last year, you knew the lakers run was OVER. Because those teams in the west FINALLY matched the lakers front court. And Kobe Is NOT, and NEVER WAS good enough to be the difference.
If you gave Lebron or Wade a PRIME SHAQ for 8 years like kobe had, those guys win more than the 3 titles that kobe was given.. And win more titles than kobe given the same teams he's had to work with in that conference that lacked dominant bigs
Kobe the stringbean bryant is the most overrated player in nba history
Shaq, who was the most dominant force I have ever seen from 98 to 03, hand delivered kobe 3 rings. Shaq was more dominant than Jordan in Shaq's prime. When shaq went to miami he was not the same, that's why he saw 10 minutes less per game with that bad back, and didn't see near the triple teams he saw in previous years when he was in LA.
And of course, for the last two titles, EVERY western conference team feared the Lakers dominant length in their front court. NO TEAM in the west could match up with the combo of Bynum/Gasol/Odom. And that is why the lakers breezed through that conference in the playoffs. No western team was fearful of Kobe the stringbean Bryant, they were fearful of the length of that front court. What was a very underrated aspect of that front court was that they could ALL PASS the ball very well for bigs. This was an added benefit that a lot of people miss.. To go along with their great rebounding allowing kobe to jack up more shots as he pleased. The bigs would get the rebound and rescue him from his shotjacking and chucking time and time again.
The moment Dallas got Chandler, to go with Dirk up front last year, and the moment OKC got Perkins to go with Ibaka last year, you knew the lakers run was OVER. Because those teams in the west FINALLY matched the lakers front court. And Kobe Is NOT, and NEVER WAS good enough to be the difference.
If you gave Lebron or Wade a PRIME SHAQ for 8 years like kobe had, those guys win more than the 3 titles that kobe was given.. And win more titles than kobe given the same teams he's had to work with in that conference that lacked dominant bigs
Kobe the stringbean bryant is the most overrated player in nba history
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